Another win for Trump (breaking news)

[jas007]

18 minutes ago, thesetat said:

I am familiar with it. Zelenski has been doing it for some time now. Including his own people. He uses hope and desperation as his tactics. But nonetheless, his people are beginning to see him for what he is. Stubborn only to continue being fed money to keep his people dying without any real hope to win back what was taken. 

I don't know about the media in Ukraine, but if it's anything like the media in the Western world, it's pretty much all propaganda. Over and over, the people who consume the media are fed the same lies. And eventually, those lies become the "truth."  It's almost humorous. And once people are brainwashed, they're beyond salvation. 

 

Look at the COVID scam. They had most of the world believing that a deadly virus was circulating that could somehow be stopped by flimsy masks and plastic partitions between booths in restaurants.  One-way isles in grocery stores and six feet of distance between people in public spaces. And god help you if you were caught outside enjoying life without a mask and a vaccine passport. And if you didn't wish to partake in their "vaccinations," you were an agent of death, a killer of grandmothers, on the loose. 

 

Fast forward to today, and you're a "fascist" if you don't subscribe to Zelenskyy's fantasies.  And again, people believe the nonsense because that was how they were programmed. 

[Jingthing]

42 minutes ago, thesetat said:

I am familiar with it. Zelenski has been doing it for some time now. Including his own people. He uses hope and desperation as his tactics. But nonetheless, his people are beginning to see him for what he is. Stubborn only to continue being fed money to keep his people dying without any real hope to win back what was taken. 

Disgraceful lies.

[ChicagoExpat]

7 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I don't know about the media in Ukraine, but if it's anything like the media in the Western world, it's pretty much all propaganda. Over and over, the people who consume the media are fed the same lies. And eventually, those lies become the "truth."  It's almost humorous. And once people are brainwashed, they're beyond salvation. 

 

Look at the COVID scam. They had most of the world believing that a deadly virus was circulating that could somehow be stopped by flimsy masks and plastic partitions between booths in restaurants.  One-way isles in grocery stores and six feet of distance between people in public spaces. And god help you if you were caught outside enjoying life without a mask and a vaccine passport. And if you didn't wish to partake in their "vaccinations," you were an agent of death, a killer of grandmothers, on the loose. 

 

Fast forward to today, and you're a "fascist" if you don't subscribe to Zelenskyy's fantasies.  And again, people believe the nonsense because that was how they were programmed. 

And yet, in a discussion about the Russia/Ukraine issue, it's somehow irrelevant that far worse than Western media, far far worse than Ukrainian media, is the Russian media.  In terms of credibility, independence, and integrity.  Propaganda?  World class.  COVID scam?  They had that, and add in the "Sputnik V" injection that they foisted on a captive audience... with no lab testing!  And if you don't subscribe to Putin's fantasies, you're not only a fascist, you're in jail or dead.

 

Just thought I'd add some perspective FOR THE GUYS WHO DEFINITELY DON'T SUPPORT RUSSIA.

[Jingthing]

Putin doesn’t want peace.

He wants all of Ukraine. 

He wants to erase everything about Ukrainian identity including the people that refuse to be Slavic slaves of Russ.

Putin is a genocidal mass murdering war criminal. 

His soldiers are raping thieving and  child stealing and murdering.

To get him to ever negotiate you need to force him.

Of course Ukrainians will continue to fight.

It's their only hope of national survival.

They have no choice.

It's much more about people than land.

Ukraine would be willing to.give up some land for real security guarantees 

None are currently forthcoming.

 

[thesetat]

Zelenski doesn't want peace. He wants more money and weapons and supplies. Next he will be asking foreign forces to join him in keeping the war at a stale mate. Jeez, as soon as the war is over there can be elections and Zelenski will be out in the cold. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, thesetat said:

Zelenski doesn't want peace. He wants more money and weapons and supplies. Next he will be asking foreign forces to join him in keeping the war at a stale mate. Jeez, as soon as the war is over there can be elections and Zelenski will be out in the cold. 

Vile lies.

[jas007]

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Setting aside the other nonsense in your post, let's focus on this little gem.  The corpses of thousands more dead kids lie at the feet of Russia.  Period.  For all three invasions of Ukraine.

 

Once again, you miss the point.  You're not seeing the big picture.

 

It's not a matter of dead kids lying "at the feet of" Russia, as if the resolution of the issue of fault settles anything. Even if you're right about the fault issue, so what?  No one ever said the world is a fair place. It's not. And in this case, being "right" and continuing a losing battle is simply asking for more grief.  

 

"I'm right and it's all Russia's fault" does not justify killing more kids and endangering the world.  I guess if Zelenskyy wants to take that position and gets away with selling that nonsense to the Ukrainian people, that's what will happen, but why should the USA be involved?  Trump should know better.