Trump Mocks France Over WWII Commemorations, Urges Greater U.S. Recognition

[RJRS1301]

53 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

 

He did not even go selection, he got himself exempted before selection

 

Have a nice life

 

[Maybole]

5 hours ago, julsmark said:

These figures do not mention Australia and New Zealand stats. 
we lost many in both Europe and Japan. 

I agree

[simple1]

Trump is expert at shooting himself in the foot regards diplomacy. Personally I think his recent gratuitous remarks to ME leaders  quite nauseating., one can imagine them laughing about him behind closed doors

[KhunLA]

43 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

He did not even go selection, he got himself exempted before selection

 

Have a nice life

 

Nobody goes to selection.   They have a lottery, a number is assigned to you birthday.   You don't need to do anything, to dodge anything, you're not expected to be picked for.  How you all can't comprehend that is mind boggling.

 

Y'all are quite silly.   May want to deal with facts.   Not fake news.   I see the internet (CNN 🙄) states in op-ed, he received 4 deferments for collage, (as everyone did), which is completely irrelevant.   As he graduated college before his number was even drawn.  Why even mention it ???

 

Graduated May 1968, you need to be at college to be deferred for college.

SS draft # drawn 1970

 

He had # 356, they drafted up to 195 ...  END OF DISCUSSION

 

So daughter of foot doc, at age 6 or 7, in 1968/69, tells the tale of father's hearsay, that he did a favor for Trump, about 50 yrs after the fact .... 

 

Wonder how much she got paid for that story, so Steve Elder of NYT could report it, just before the 2016 election   hmm

 

Think it's safe to say, we can file that next to the Steele Dossier.

 

Accusing someone of dodging something that didn't need to be dodged.   Do y'all know how silly that sounds.

 

'Hey dude, I beat that traffic ticket'

.... 'that's cool, what was the ticket for?'

'I never got one'  😎

 

Let that sink in, take as long as you need.  Don't hurt yourselves.

 

BYE BYE

 

 

[JimGant]

5 hours ago, WorriedNoodle said:

Mocking the commemorations of V-E Day, which honors the sacrifice and cooperation of Allied nations in defeating Nazi Germany, can be deeply offensive to countries like France, which suffered heavy civilian and military losses,

 

The friggin' French virtually sat out the Normandy invasion, the wonderful Maginot Line warriors they are. The only Frenchman making any noise for the invasion was DeGaulle -- whose arrogance kept demanding he lead the invasion:

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On 6 June 1944, Operation Overlord launched the first wave of Allied forces onto the Normandy coast to free Western Europe of the Nazi yoke. Only 209 Frenchmen took part as infantrymen - 177 commandos and 32 paratroopers

 

Earlier, whole lot more Frenchmen were in defense of North Africa, and succeeded in killing a lot of Americans as they came ashore. Wonderful people, the French.

 

Here are the statistics for killed in the D-Day invasion:

 

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US: 2500 killed

UK: 1760 killed

Canada: 370 killed

 

French civilians paid a high price on D-Day; but no statistics on casualties for the mighty 209 French infantrymen -- I'm sure at least one wounded himself opening his K-ration can of escargots.

[JimGant]

6 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The only reason it entered was because of Pearl Harbor. Otherwise, the USA would have been content to sit back and profit from the war.

 

And rightfully so. Most of our ancestors left Europe, and never looked back. Except one time: World War I, where, for some stupid reason, we got involved, and got 116,000 Americans killed for absolutely no reason. So, yeah, without Pearl Harbor, hopefully we would have been smart enough to let the Europeans settle just one more of their endless wars.

[dinsdale]

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The US was involved before Pearl Harbor just hadn't officially  declared war. You obviously do not know your history regarding WWII. I suggest you research the the Atlantic  convoy crossings going from the US to the UK and the "lend lease" program. It is true that Pearl Harbor was the catalyst for the US declaring war on Japan and then Germany but it's equally as true to say the US were already involved. BTW The World at War a 26 part series narrated by Sir Laurence Olivier is IMHO the definitive WW II documentary.  

I've made an error here. Roosevelt didn't declare war on Germany. Hitler declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor.

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

so now you wish to criticise Trumps school conduct too  without any evidence of course...you need help

 

No silly.  I'm comparing Trump's military service.

 

"Hiding under the bleachers and daddy paying nursie for a get-out-of-service card"

[Mike_Hunt]

France was a good host to the Germans in WW2.

[Mike_Hunt]

4 hours ago, bannork said:

Trump dodged the draft. 4 times he got college deferment, the fifth time he got called up. The so called bone spurs he claimed as the reason he was medically unfit for, he never had 'treated'.

 Check out-Donald Trump Avoided the Military Draft 5 Times, Which Was Common - Business Insider

As did many other people.   The list includes Bill Clinton and Joe Biden. 

[Mike_Hunt]

7 hours ago, Maybole said:

The USA tried very hard to keep out of it while enriching its arms industry by billions. At the end of the war only the USA emerged with its economy enhanced. In fact the arms sales to Europe finally dragged the USA out of the lingering legacy of the great depression. Europe, especially the UK bankrupted itself holding off German aggression and the first US troops did not arrive until 1943 when the tide in Europe had turned.

Cool story bro.  

[Mike_Hunt]

Without the USA you Euros would be speaking Russian or German.   

[bannork]

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

As did many other people.   The list includes Bill Clinton and Joe Biden. 

Indeed, but this thread is about Trump.

[Mike_Hunt]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

Indeed, but this thread is about Trump.

I have no problem with people dodging the draft.  The draft is immortal. 

[Mike_Hunt]

The French flag should be the color white.  

[Mike_Hunt]

3 hours ago, BLMFem said:

And that is the silliest thing anyone has written today. The cowardly cretin dodged the draft.

End of.

The draft is immoral. 

[bannork]

52 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Without the USA you Euros would be speaking Russian or German.   

If Hitler hadn't attacked Russia we would be speaking German today. I tried learning German at school but couldn't hack the guttural pronunciation or challenging spelling. 

If the UK had to be conquered, either France or Thailand would be far better in my view, lovely languages and food.

What would have happened, btw, if Germany had conquered the UK?

Would Germany and Japan have teamed up to attack the US? 

[spidermike007]

8 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Describes yourself any many on the woke left very nicely. 

His devotees simply cannot handle truth. I am the least woke Democrat you will ever encounter. It doesn't matter to you. All democrats are bad in your narrow world view. We all drink the blood of babies in pizza parlor basements. Go ahead and continue with the inane self delusion. 

[Patong2021]

9 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The US was involved before Pearl Harbor just hadn't officially  declared war. You obviously do not know your history regarding WWII. I suggest you research the the Atlantic  convoy crossings going from the US to the UK and the "lend lease" program. It is true that Pearl Harbor was the catalyst for the US declaring war on Japan and then Germany but it's equally as true to say the US were already involved. BTW The World at War a 26 part series narrated by Sir Laurence Olivier is IMHO the definitive WW II documentary.  

 

Ok, let's look at the historical record on participation;

Australia: 3 September 1939 

New Zealand; 3 September 1939

Canada: 10 September 1939 (official declaration after announcement  on 7 September 1939)

USA: 11 December 1941.

 

The USA  came into the war 2 years  3 months after  the western coalition of nations aka the Allies. During that time, the USA was  profiting from its  sale of resources to Great Britain, that often bordered on exploitation, usury and extortion.

 The US decision to  deploy protection to some merchant marine vessels in the Atlantic shipping corridors  3 months prior to the declaration of war was self serving. The German U boats were attacking US and other neutral  vessels and it was impacting US economic interests. The Kriegsmarine did not have  Uboats with extended ranges that could make the voyage to the USA until 1942.

The USA restricted itself to the neutral shipping lanes.  USN - German interactions were limited in scope and even though there was some  US naval vessel damage and in one incident a loss of life, the engagements cannot be considered to be anything more than insignificant within the context of the  war. Had there been, the US would have declared war when they occurred.

 

Had it not been for Pearl Harbor, the USA would have been content to stay on the sidelines of the  European war, profiting from its sales to war ravaged Great Britain. Prior to 1941, Herr Hitler was a popular figure in the USA. Large rallies in support of the Nazis were not uncommon. In 1939, Madison Square Gardens in NYC was sold out with 20,000 nazis in attendance. One of the main speakers, at the rally, Gerhard Wilhelm Kunze, the national public relations director of the Bund, pointed to the white supremacy present at America's founding as a nation. "The spirit which opened the West and built our country is the spirit of the militant white man," he preached. He laid out his vision for a whites-only America, citing the foundation for it in the USA with the existing anti-miscegenation laws, the Chinese Exclusion Act, exclusion of afro americans  through Jim Crow policies and immigration quotas. "It has then always been very much American to protect the Aryan character of this nation," Kunze told the audience. There was an overwhelmingly anti immigrant bias.

[Patong2021]

3 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

As did many other people.   The list includes Bill Clinton and Joe Biden. 

 

That's not a valid reason. Using the questionable acts of others to justify  one's own improper behavior is a feeble cop out.

BTW, the claim against Clinton has already been disproven. 

 

[Mike_Hunt]

3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

That's not a valid reason. Using the questionable acts of others to justify  one's own improper behavior is a feeble cop out.

BTW, the claim against Clinton has already been disproven. 

 

The draft is immoral.     Sorry, Clinton dodged the draft. 

[Mike_Hunt]

43 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

His devotees simply cannot handle truth. I am the least woke Democrat you will ever encounter. It doesn't matter to you. All democrats are bad in your narrow world view. We all drink the blood of babies in pizza parlor basements. Go ahead and continue with the inane self delusion. 

Democrats are awful creatures. 

[Mike_Hunt]

14 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Ok, let's look at the historical record on participation;

Australia: 3 September 1939 

New Zealand; 3 September 1939

Canada: 10 September 1939 (official declaration after announcement  on 7 September 1939)

USA: 11 December 1941.

 

The USA  came into the war 2 years  3 months after  the western coalition of nations aka the Allies. During that time, the USA was  profiting from its  sale of resources to Great Britain, that often bordered on exploitation, usury and extortion.

 The US decision to  deploy protection to some merchant marine vessels in the Atlantic shipping corridors  3 months prior to the declaration of war was self serving. The German U boats were attacking US and other neutral  vessels and it was impacting US economic interests. The Kriegsmarine did not have  Uboats with extended ranges that could make the voyage to the USA until 1942.

The USA restricted itself to the neutral shipping lanes.  USN - German interactions were limited in scope and even though there was some  US naval vessel damage and in one incident a loss of life, the engagements cannot be considered to be anything more than insignificant within the context of the  war. Had there been, the US would have declared war when they occurred.

 

Had it not been for Pearl Harbor, the USA would have been content to stay on the sidelines of the  European war, profiting from its sales to war ravaged Great Britain. Prior to 1941, Herr Hitler was a popular figure in the USA. Large rallies in support of the Nazis were not uncommon. In 1939, Madison Square Gardens in NYC was sold out with 20,000 nazis in attendance. One of the main speakers, at the rally, Gerhard Wilhelm Kunze, the national public relations director of the Bund, pointed to the white supremacy present at America's founding as a nation. "The spirit which opened the West and built our country is the spirit of the militant white man," he preached. He laid out his vision for a whites-only America, citing the foundation for it in the USA with the existing anti-miscegenation laws, the Chinese Exclusion Act, exclusion of afro americans  through Jim Crow policies and immigration quotas. "It has then always been very much American to protect the Aryan character of this nation," Kunze told the audience. There was an overwhelmingly anti immigrant bias.

Europe is damn lucky the US came into the war.   Anyway, Why does Europe always expect the USA to bail them out? 

 

 

[spidermike007]

32 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Democrats are awful creatures. 

That is just such an unbelievably simplistic, divisive and incredibly nasty thing to say about half the population of America. You often times make ridiculous remarks, and this is just another in the continued series of the Hunt nonsense. 

 

It's just astonishing that you can't do better than this, really? Is this all you got? 

 

I'm so thrilled that I don't know you, and that I will never have any contact with you. I have a lot of conservative friends and relatives and we have very respectful dialogue with each other, something that you would be completely incapable. I demonize your master because he's despicable, but I never demonize his supporters. 

[MicroB]

13 hours ago, Hummin said:

Now you picking a fight where there is no fight. No Usa together with allies won the war. The war wouldn't had ended without Russia onboard. At least not before Usa nuked Japan

 

Without the successful British and French evacuation at Dunkirk, with the Germans held back by a French rearguard who knew what was coming, there would have been no War to win. Without the Battle of Britain being won by the British, there would have been no War to win.  Without an El Alamein win, Without British materiel to a retreating USSR, there would have been no Eastern Front, Germany would have been in control of the entire Middle East, and the pro-Nazi uprising in Iraq would have succeeded. Without US materiel, there would have been no Soviet fight back. Without emigre German and Austrian scientiss, British scientists and American scientists, there would have been no Atomic Bomb. Without the work of two Australian chemical engineers, there would have been no penicillin for D-Day, and casualties would have been much higher. What if the landings in  Sicily were a disaster; we have much to thank Paddy Mayne and his boys. What if Heisenberg had managed Neils Bohr to help? The calculations on critical mass might have been different, and there might have been a German A-Bomb.

 

Without US intervention, would WW2 have resulted in a Nazi victory? Debatable because American intervention meant other events  didn't happen, that could have happened. The Nazi political system was a rotten system, so its possible it would have collapsed in on itself. US non-involvement might have included supplying Britain. We know what happened, but there is no such certainty what might have happened.

 

The War was driven by moments of luck, or mistake, of genius, all individual acts. What if Eisenhower hadn't been Allied Commander? Arguably, he had the qualities, evidenced by his later performance as President, to manage the various personalities on the Allied side.

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Europe is damn lucky the US came into the war.   Anyway, Why does Europe always expect the USA to bail them out? 

 

 

It does not. The US presence in Europe in WWII had a lot to do the war with Japan and Germany's declaration of war on the USA, than it did with "saving" Europe.  The Axis  considered the USA  far more  of an enemy state than Great Britain. Churchill was a known anti communist. The USA was more  accommodating of Stalin and his nation of thugs.

 

The  modern European reliance on the USA arises from the USA's  insistence that Germany not rebuild its military. The USA  used Europe as a buffer against Russian expansionism. The US military bases were imposed on Italy and Germany and were to the benefit of US foreign policy.  Times  have obviously changed, but up until the early 2000's US policy was to make  Europe dependent on the USA. This allowed for ease of military sales.

 

There was a time when the USA was a world leader. It led the way with entrepreneurship, of showcasing  freedom and liberty, the rule of law and of scientific and technological  advancement. That era has ended and now we see the gradual collapse of the  American Empire. I didn't think I would see it  in my lifetime, but all good things come to an end as they say.

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

The draft is immoral.     Sorry, Clinton dodged the draft. 

Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford. His initial deferment was therefore legitimate.  He volunteered to join the ROTC when he returned to the USA and also registered for the draft. In October 1969, Clinton had his number drawn in the draft lottery. Because his number was so high, he was not called into service.  All of this is established fact. This was far more of an effort to serve  than what Trump did.

[findlay13]

17 hours ago, JimHuaHin said:

Poor Don; he knows about the art of the deal; but his knowledge of WWII seems highly distorted and/or inadequate.

He doesn't even know the art of the deal. Bully someone then back off a bit is his only tactic.And I get sick of saying this. I have no special love for them but If the French, who were led by totally incompetent morons,hadn't fought so hard in 1940 ,Half the Brits would have never got off the beach at Dunkirk.

[Mike_Hunt]

15 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford. His initial deferment was therefore legitimate.  He volunteered to join the ROTC when he returned to the USA and also registered for the draft. In October 1969, Clinton had his number drawn in the draft lottery. Because his number was so high, he was not called into service.  All of this is established fact. This was far more of an effort to serve  than what Trump did.

He went to college and did not serve his country. 

[Mike_Hunt]

22 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

It does not. The US presence in Europe in WWII had a lot to do the war with Japan and Germany's declaration of war on the USA, than it did with "saving" Europe.  The Axis  considered the USA  far more  of an enemy state than Great Britain. Churchill was a known anti communist. The USA was more  accommodating of Stalin and his nation of thugs.

 

The  modern European reliance on the USA arises from the USA's  insistence that Germany not rebuild its military. The USA  used Europe as a buffer against Russian expansionism. The US military bases were imposed on Italy and Germany and were to the benefit of US foreign policy.  Times  have obviously changed, but up until the early 2000's US policy was to make  Europe dependent on the USA. This allowed for ease of military sales.

 

There was a time when the USA was a world leader. It led the way with entrepreneurship, of showcasing  freedom and liberty, the rule of law and of scientific and technological  advancement. That era has ended and now we see the gradual collapse of the  American Empire. I didn't think I would see it  in my lifetime, but all good things come to an end as they say.

 

Stop being butt hurt.  It was not for the USA, Europe would be conquered.