If there is no life after death...

[fredwiggy]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

If I believe in anything, it is science. Which is subject to rigorous rules of evidence, and testing of hypotheses to destruction.

 

It's why science has always sat uncomfortably with religion, because faith discards any pretense of evidence and testing.

Yes, and science has been helpful in a lot of ways. Half of scientists also believe in God, so there's that. faith isn't science.

[fittobethaied]

Well, I read through the first page and couldn't take any more. It is absolutely amazing to me that so many people are in such denial that there is a real Creator God and a Heaven and a Hell....fully grown men and women who have lived an entire lifetime during which time they could have discovered the answer to the question of the afterlife by simply taking an hour a day for a few weeks to read the New Testament, find the answers for themselves and settle the matter in their own mind once and for all. But instead, they have taken that time to devise every sort of unfounded excuse possible to keep from having to believe the TRUTH. It just goes to show you the deep-seated power of sin in one's life and the sway that Satan has over those who have rejected the Good News of Jesus Christ. 

God has given to every human the measure of faith that is required to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and you can either believe in His atonement for our sins and spend eternity in Heaven, or reject the only true message of salvation and spend eternity in the Lake of Fire which is called Hell. God doesn't send anyone to Hell. He had given us the way forward to an afterlife in His presence, but most will make a willful decision to reject the straight and narrow path and choose the broader path which leads to Hell. Where you spend eternity is every man's free will choice, and for those of you who have received Christ, I will look forward to seeing you in Heaven one day! To the rest, I pray that you will come to your senses before it is too late. If you die in your sins without Christ, you will not get another chance.

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Apart from vaccines and climate change which are belief based.

The evidence for both is there.

 

When you get around to disproving the laws of thermodynamics, let me know.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Lacessit said:

You have reached the stage of repeating the same mantra over pages of this thread. Propaganda does not become more valid by repetition.

 

I have noted you refuse to address the question of original sin, a concept unique to Christianity, which makes as much sense as an ashtray on a motorbike. No doubt it was drummed into you in Catholic school, along with the Virgin Mary.

 

It does illustrate your dishonesty.

And so have you. I guess you missed where I was referring to original sin. Being "drummed" into someone also, as I mentioned quite a few times, but I see some are dismissing because they either can't comprehend or don't bother to do anything besides skim. doesn't mean it has to stay with you all your life. 

 

Eve ate the apple, which is what we've been taught. That doesn't mean I believe it happened. If it did, it was God's first lesson to obey his laws, which make sense, and since he is the creator, I'm thinking he has the right,as he knows what we need better than we do. I'm thinking since you can't understand, or just dismiss, the concept of a creator, and only believe scientists and their hypotheses, that since God can create the universe from his mind, he should be able to do most anything, including putting Jesus' embryo into Mary. 

 

You have doubts. So do I. I believe, You don't. Stick with what you believe, as we believers will also. We will all see what the truth is when we die,  But as you said, when you die, you won't know because you'll be dead.

[simple1]

17 hours ago, dinsdale said:

You call it philosophy I call it religion. It's a belief system.

 

Incorrect. Veda / Vedanta the core is spiritual philosophy, not religion. Religion is corruption of Spirituality by Man for Power and control

[GarryP]

My parents never taught me religion. The only time we went to church was for funerals, weddings and christenings. I went to a Church of England primary school, and while we did have Friday morning assemblies, we were not taught religion. At high school we had religious education classes, but in that class we learned about many religions, not just christianity. In other words, it was left to me to decide what I believed in but I didn't really give it much thought. That is, I was not force-fed any belief system and I did the same with my son. I left it up to him to decide. His mother was Buddhist but didn't push her beliefs on him either. Years later, in his twenties, he became very religious of his own volition, following catholicism, then a few other groups in Bangkok such as baptist, evangelical, etc. But ultimately he came to the conclusion that it was all a lie. How did he reach that conclusion? The priests, vicars, and whatever else they were, couldn't or wouldn't answer his questions on their faith and some even told him not to ask questions, but just to believe or leave. He also read the bible from cover to cover, and other reading materials, but finally said they did not make sense on a lot of issues (hence his questions which went unanswered).

 

So now, like me, he is an atheist and believes this is the only life we have.     

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Incorrect. Veda / Vedanta the core is spiritual philosophy, not religion. Religion is corruption of Spirituality by Man for Power and control

This is the actual definition............

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re·li·gion

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noun

noun: religion

1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods.

   "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"

    

   a particular system of faith and worship.

   plural noun: religions

   "the world's great religions"

   a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance

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   faith

    

 

 

 

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[simple1]

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

This is the actual definition............

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re·li·gion

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noun

noun: religion

1. the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods.

   "ideas about the relationship between science and religion"

    

   a particular system of faith and worship.

   plural noun: religions

   "the world's great religions"

   a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance

   Similar:

   faith

 

Vedic philosophy focuses on conscious union with the Supreme (not worship of superhuman power / powers, nor a separation between Man and God.

[Cameroni]

38 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

If I believe in anything, it is science. Which is subject to rigorous rules of evidence, and testing of hypotheses to destruction.

 

 

Science of course came out of and was inextricably linked to religion. In fact science relies on belief, the belief that certain symbols represent reality, when of course they do not as reality is far too complex for symbols.

[Globalres]

On 5/25/2025 at 11:50 AM, fredwiggy said:

Birth of any species, how the brain works, how the body works, how everything life needs is in one place, and a certain distance from the sun to make it happen, the moon controlling the tides.

I must agree with you here.  I’ve taken a specific interest in how cells work in the body.  The more I read about the cells and cell signalling pathways, that each and every part of the body is inter connected, like a complicated huuuuge orchestra, where one thing going wrong impacts all other parts to some degree.  How is it possible the biochemistry  the cells, the neurons, the lungs, the Krebs cycle without which we could not live.  It’s all so incredibly precise, how is it possible? It’s not random.
This has made me wonder about how it all could start. It’s been a humbling experience trying to understand this.  Makes me realise that today’s medical system has it all wrong.  Specialists in one body part/organ fail to see the whole picture.  The cause of a body part in distress may be in a totally different area.  It’s truly amazing!

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, Globalres said:

I must agree with you here.  I’ve taken a specific interest in how cells work in the body.  The more I read about the cells and cell signalling pathways, that each and every part of the body is inter connected, like a complicated huuuuge orchestra, where one thing going wrong impacts all other parts to some degree.  How is it possible the biochemistry  the cells, the neurons, the lungs, the Krebs cycle without which we could not live.  It’s all so incredibly precise, how is it possible? It’s not random.
This has made me wonder about how it all could start. It’s been a humbling experience trying to understand this.  Makes me realise that today’s medical system has it all wrong.  Specialists in one body part/organ fail to see the whole picture.  The cause of a body part in distress may be in a totally different area.  It’s truly amazing!

Yes, and it amazes me that some think it all happened by chance, that all of what we know and see here isn't by a detailed plan. And they think we're the ones who are brainwashed. Just the brain alone in every species and how it works is enough to know.

[ChrisKC]

43 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, and science has been helpful in a lot of ways. Half of scientists also believe in God, so there's that. faith isn't science.

It isn't half of scientists, its about 5% and most of them are charlatans at the Discovery Institute!

[fredwiggy]

11 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

It isn't half of scientists, its about 5% and most of them are charlatans at the Discovery Institute!

No, it's always been about half............https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, and it amazes me that some think it all happened by chance, that all of what we know and see here isn't by a detailed plan. And they think we're the ones who are brainwashed. Just the brain alone in every species and how it works is enough to know.

What's most remarkable, is how dna in different lifeforms can adopt to different environment by time. 

 

So the secret is in the dna, and evolution shows exactly how it is as a blueprint throughout time. If there is a god, God do not have his hands on earth, and if life in space/the universe is created, which is possible, life on earth have evolved without hands of any god with direct influence. Just the space and time makes it impossible. Just the numbers of planets with life, one god only?

 

 

[jas007]

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, and it amazes me that some think it all happened by chance, that all of what we know and see here isn't by a detailed plan. And they think we're the ones who are brainwashed. Just the brain alone in every species and how it works is enough to know.

Whatever is going on, I'm sure it's not just random noise. It's something more than particle physics and random occurrences, somehow morphing into life by way of evolution. Our current universe may be old, but it's not that old.  

[Lacessit]

26 minutes ago, Globalres said:

I must agree with you here.  I’ve taken a specific interest in how cells work in the body.  The more I read about the cells and cell signalling pathways, that each and every part of the body is inter connected, like a complicated huuuuge orchestra, where one thing going wrong impacts all other parts to some degree.  How is it possible the biochemistry  the cells, the neurons, the lungs, the Krebs cycle without which we could not live.  It’s all so incredibly precise, how is it possible? It’s not random.
This has made me wonder about how it all could start. It’s been a humbling experience trying to understand this.  Makes me realise that today’s medical system has it all wrong.  Specialists in one body part/organ fail to see the whole picture.  The cause of a body part in distress may be in a totally different area.  It’s truly amazing!

If it were not for the modern medical system, I would be dead 2-3 times over. About 20 years ago, or 2 years ago.

 

I am pretty sure any prayers to a deity would have been useless.

 

Your post is a good example of why the concept of evolution has been so unpopular with religious groups.

[Andrew65]

 

I believe that when we die we just go back to how we were before we were born, back to nothing.

Also, who would want to spend eternity (>trillions of years) with the human race anyway? Especially with some of the people who claim to be religious.

[hotandsticky]

1 minute ago, Andrew65 said:

 

I believe that when we die we just go back to how we were before we were born, back to nothing.

 

 

+1 

 

The evidence (or lack of contrary evidence) suggests that you are right.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

Used to be that the Is there a god thread was used a lot. Whenever anyone posted - even if months between posts - certain other posters who I don't see otherwise would come out of nowhere to give there 2 cents. 

[Cameroni]

54 minutes ago, Hummin said:

So the secret is in the dna,

 

Yes it is, the Brit Griffith did a fascinating experiment. He injected living non lethal bacteria of a disease with dead, lethal dna of a bacteria The dead cells were "revived" with the code from the illness of the living bacteria, and the mice died. So the data from the dead bacteria jumped into the living harmless bacteria. Transformation. Absolutely fascinating.

 

Of course we do not know why it is so or how it got there in the first place.

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes it is, the Brit Griffith did a fascinating experiment. He injected living non lethal bacteria of a disease with dead, lethal dna of a bacteria The dead cells were "revived" with the code from the illness of the dead bacteria, and the mice died. So the data from the dead bacteria jumped into the living harmless bacteria. Transformation. Absolutely fascinating.

 

Of course we do not know why it is so or how it got there in the first place.

No, but we have or the scientists do have the puzzles, and proofs with continuously new discoveries. We know more now than the Bible was "created"

 

Still no scientist can rule out a creationist theory.

 

Still we know the Bible is a family history fiction book with guidelines, rules, judgments and threats as well politics

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

No, but we have or the scientists do have the puzzles, and proofs with continuously new discoveries. We know more now than the Bible was "created"

 

Still no scientist can rule out a creationist theory.

 

Still we know the Bible is a family history fiction book with guidelines, rules, judgments and threats as well politics

 

I still remember when the human genome was mapped, the hype about dna and genetics was akin to AI now.

 

Still no monster super soldiers, artificial hearts or limbs. Only disgusting vegan burgers. Sicence is so disappointing.

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I still remember when the human genome was mapped, the hype about dna and genetics was akin to AI now.

 

Still no monster super soldiers, artificial hearts or limbs. Only disgusting vegan burgers. Sicence is so disappointing.

China do working on superhuman, well, the rumor says 🌝 and alsoof course Musk

[Cameroni]

27 minutes ago, Hummin said:

China do working on superhuman, well, the rumor says 🌝 and alsoof course Musk

 

Ever since I found out he mated with Amber Heard I seriously doubt Musk's judgement though.

[hotsun]

2 hours ago, fittobethaied said:

Well, I read through the first page and couldn't take any more. It is absolutely amazing to me that so many people are in such denial that there is a real Creator God and a Heaven and a Hell....fully grown men and women who have lived an entire lifetime during which time they could have discovered the answer to the question of the afterlife by simply taking an hour a day for a few weeks to read the New Testament, find the answers for themselves and settle the matter in their own mind once and for all. But instead, they have taken that time to devise every sort of unfounded excuse possible to keep from having to believe the TRUTH. It just goes to show you the deep-seated power of sin in one's life and the sway that Satan has over those who have rejected the Good News of Jesus Christ. 

God has given to every human the measure of faith that is required to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and you can either believe in His atonement for our sins and spend eternity in Heaven, or reject the only true message of salvation and spend eternity in the Lake of Fire which is called Hell. God doesn't send anyone to Hell. He had given us the way forward to an afterlife in His presence, but most will make a willful decision to reject the straight and narrow path and choose the broader path which leads to Hell. Where you spend eternity is every man's free will choice, and for those of you who have received Christ, I will look forward to seeing you in Heaven one day! To the rest, I pray that you will come to your senses before it is too late. If you die in your sins without Christ, you will not get another chance.

Can you provide a source for that?

[Aussie999]

On 5/25/2025 at 11:10 AM, Yellowtail said:

Everyone with children lives on. 

Your DNA does, but not you.... Sorry

[fittobethaied]

11 minutes ago, hotsun said:

Can you provide a source for that?

It is all in God's Word, The Holy Bible! I can't read it for you. You have to read it for yourself and ask The Holy Spirit to give you revelation knowledge to understand what you are reading. The Word of God is not intellectually discerned; It is spiritually discerned, and without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you will never figure it out. When you read and receive God's Word as Truth, then He will open your eyes and heart to receive more and more Truth day by day. The minute your heart begins to reject what you are reading, the revelation from God stops dead in it's tracks, and He will even take back the knowledge that He has already revealed to you and allow you to be spiritually blind once again. That's the very reason that so many people can begin reading the Word of God and throw is away so quickly claiming that It is all nonsense. When you reject God and His teachings, He turns you over to a reprobate mind to continue in your sinful ways. 

[uncletiger]

Your consciousness is a vibrational pattern. It simply is and has been since whatever begat everything. You're an aspect of God. While you're alive, your brain acts as a quantum amplifier and tunes into this frequency. Once you die, the pattern survives, timeless. If the Buddhist theories of reincarnation are true, the vibration that makes up your consciousness has given rise to many lives, and it will continue to do so for eternity. As Einstein proved, energy does not experience time, so the new age philosophers have some basis in physics when they say we live many lives in parallel.

[VictorInBKK]

On 5/25/2025 at 7:57 AM, SoCal1990 said:

Then where does our consciousness go after we die?

 

Or are we just pretending not to be afraid of the answer?

Nobody cares. When you're asleep you're not really aware of anything. Death is like that REM sleep phase, just permanent. Lots of us find relief at that thought.

[Globalres]

23 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Fancy creating childhood cancer and incurable diseases for just two examples. As for creationism what about evolution. Evolution can be proven. The universe being created by some almighty omnipotent being cannot. 

Maybe we, humans, are the ones who created cancer???