Britain to unleash army of hackers on Putin

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Yes, by all means give Putin whatever he wants. Because that strategy worked so well in the run up to WW2, didn’t it.

 

It's not 1939 and Putin isn't waging a war to annihilate subhumans to make room for the Master Race.  In fact, one could look at GDP data and argue that the Ukes will actually do better under Russia.  The ones in Crimea did.

 

[Hummin]

On 5/29/2025 at 4:51 PM, WorriedNoodle said:

Yes indeed... it was clear in 2014 when Russia invaded another sovereign nation. 

Russia have done many sabotaging missions in Europe, attacking essentially infrastructure, started fires and also continued their cyberwar together with China, Iran, NK

 

AI-oversikt

Western officials widely attribute a recent increase in sabotage attempts against Western countries to Russia, often involving its military intelligence agency, the GRU, and its proxies. These attacks include incidents like arson, damage to critical infrastructure, cyber attacks, and disruptions of public services. Russia's goals are believed to include undermining Western support for Ukraine, weakening public trust in institutions, and potentially influencing elections. 

 

AI-oversikt

Several actors engage in cyberwarfare against Western countries, including state-sponsored groups like Russia, China, and Iran, as well as non-state actors like hacktivists and terrorist organizations. These groups employ various tactics, including espionage, sabotage, disinformation campaigns, and disruption of critical infrastructure. 

 

 

[impulse]

7 hours ago, hotsun said:

Russia didnt announce to the west that they would attack us online, they just started doing it

 

I'm pretty sure the Brits and the Yanks were doing it long before they announced doing it.

 

[johng]

The 5 eyes.

[BLMFem]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

It's not 1939 and Putin isn't waging a war to annihilate subhumans to make room for the Master Race.  In fact, one could look at GDP data and argue that the Ukes will actually do better under Russia.  The ones in Crimea did.

 

Really? Have you asked them?

[frank83628]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

 

 

I agree with your sentiments. The dying should never have started. That it did is down to one man and his supporters. That it won't stop is down to the same cabal.

There was more than 1 man involved in the  US funded coup of 2014

[RayC]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

There was more than 1 man involved in the  US funded coup of 2014

 

Although the US may have fanned the flames, the Maiden Revolution was not initiated by the US.

 

The fire was lit by ordinary Ukrainian citizens taking to the streets to object to Yanukovych ignoring the platform on which he was elected i.e. to develop closer economic ties with the EU, and instead doing a complete volte face and - under pressure from Moscow - aligning Ukraine economically with Russia.

 

This root cause of this war is economic, with a dose of Putin's belief in a Greater Russia comprising of Belarus and Ukraine thrown in for good measure.

 

Pre-war Ukraine was Russia's third biggest trading partner (behind China and the EU). Russia had been pressurising Ukraine to join a customs union with it for some time. Instead, Ukraine looked West and sought closer ties with the EU, something that Putin was unable to accept as it would be a major blow to the Russian economy; hence, the escalation of hostilities towards Ukraine starting in 2014. The invasion in 2022 was the end result.

 

You can introduce as many non sequiturs as you like. The truth of the matter is that Russia was the instigator of this war.

[transam]

11 hours ago, impulse said:

Russia's got better hackers than the Brits.   This could be an own goal for the UK.

 

Tell all, I didn't know that........

[transam]

9 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Not amazing the anti Trumpets in this topic are also the war mongers, not seeking peace.

 

I supported Putin way before Trump came along.

I want the war to end and people to stop dying, unlike the decrepit keyboard warriors on here, stuck in the cold war era 

Shame you don't chastise the person you worship who started it, eh...............

 

Stop hiding behind that bit of Russian blood you have........

[transam]

8 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Although the US may have fanned the flames, the Maiden Revolution was not initiated by the US.

 

The fire was lit by ordinary Ukrainian citizens taking to the streets to object to Yanukovych ignoring the platform on which he was elected i.e. to develop closer economic ties with the EU, and instead doing a complete volte face and - under pressure from Moscow - aligning Ukraine economically with Russia.

 

This root cause of this war is economic, with a dose of Putin's belief in a Greater Russia comprising of Belarus and Ukraine thrown in for good measure.

 

Pre-war Ukraine was Russia's third biggest trading partner (behind China and the EU). Russia had been pressurising Ukraine to join a customs union with it for some time. Instead, Ukraine looked West and sought closer ties with the EU, something that Putin was unable to accept as it would be a major blow to the Russian economy; hence, the escalation of hostilities towards Ukraine starting in 2014. The invasion in 2022 was the end result.

 

You can introduce as many non sequiturs as you like. The truth of the matter is that Russia was the instigator of this war.

Well said, Raymond.....👍

[Jingthing]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

It's not 1939 and Putin isn't waging a war to annihilate subhumans to make room for the Master Race.  In fact, one could look at GDP data and argue that the Ukes will actually do better under Russia.  The ones in Crimea did.

 

The Ukes, huh?

Russian Z fascist ideology is that Ukraine does not exist as a separate nation, language, culture, people. etc.

But it does exist.

Putin's war is about enforcing their genocidal and false ideology.

[VBer]

34 minutes ago, RayC said:

The fire was lit by ordinary Ukrainian citizens taking to the streets to object to Yanukovych ignoring the platform on which he was elected

 

On January 6, 2021 ordinary US citizens took the streets and Capitol. However it was not accepted by US government.

Why did these particular Ukrainian citizens have not waited for the next presidential election to choose a president who represented the real wish of all Ukrainian citizens?  Why have they decided it for all regions, including Crimea and Donbas?

Your country most likely will not face anything good if your current government overthrown by coup.

[RayC]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Well said, Raymond.....👍

 

Thanks, Trans. Welcome back. Looking forward to the return of the crystal ball😉

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, VBer said:

 

On January 6, 2021 ordinary US citizens took the streets and Capitol. However it was not accepted by US government.

Why did these particular Ukrainian citizens have not waited for the next presidential election to choose a president who represented the real wish of all Ukrainian citizens?  Why have they decided it for all regions, including Crimea and Donbas?

Your country most likely will not face anything good if your current government overthrown by coup.

On January 6, 2021, about 2000 Americans rioted at the Capitol.

 

On December 8, 2013, about 1 million Ukrainians marched in Kyiv.

 

That followed a protest of between 400,000 to 800,000 on December 1.

 

 

Smaller crowds of 10,000 - 50,000 protested at Ternopil, Cherkasy and Lviv.

 

False equivalence.

 

 

[AlexRich]

14 hours ago, impulse said:

Russia's got better hackers than the Brits.   This could be an own goal for the UK.

 

They do not. GCHQ have incredible capabilities, they just choose not to shout about it. 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, VBer said:

 

On January 6, 2021 ordinary US citizens took the streets and Capitol. However it was not accepted by US government.

Why did these particular Ukrainian citizens have not waited for the next presidential election to choose a president who represented the real wish of all Ukrainian citizens?  Why have they decided it for all regions, including Crimea and Donbas?

Your country most likely will not face anything good if your current government overthrown by coup.

 

The analogy with the events in the US in January 2022 is a false one. That involved some US citizens refusing to accept the result of a free and fair election.

 

Imo a better analogy is Brexit and the 2019 British General Election. Boris Johnson was elected on a platform to 'Get Brexit done' I.e. implement the UK's electorate's decision to leave the EU. If Johnson had decided instead not to leave the EU but instead forge closer ties with the EU, then I don't think Brexit supporters could have been blamed for taking to the streets (and I say that as a Brit who is strongly pro-EU).

[VBer]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

That followed a protest of between 400,000 to 800,000 on December 1.

If we are speaking about numbers. Population of Ukraine was 46 millions by that time. Why this 1 Million made decision for the whole country, including 2 millions people at Crimea and 4 millions people at Donbas, by coup? Why do not wait for the next election and choose the president who will represent whole united Ukraine?

[frank83628]

13 hours ago, RayC said:

 

Although the US may have fanned the flames, the Maiden Revolution was not initiated by the US.

 

The fire was lit by ordinary Ukrainian citizens taking to the streets to object to Yanukovych ignoring the platform on which he was elected i.e. to develop closer economic ties with the EU, and instead doing a complete volte face and - under pressure from Moscow - aligning Ukraine economically with Russia.

 

This root cause of this war is economic, with a dose of Putin's belief in a Greater Russia comprising of Belarus and Ukraine thrown in for good measure.

 

Pre-war Ukraine was Russia's third biggest trading partner (behind China and the EU). Russia had been pressurising Ukraine to join a customs union with it for some time. Instead, Ukraine looked West and sought closer ties with the EU, something that Putin was unable to accept as it would be a major blow to the Russian economy; hence, the escalation of hostilities towards Ukraine starting in 2014. The invasion in 2022 was the end result.

 

You can introduce as many non sequiturs as you like. The truth of the matter is that Russia was the instigator of this war.

The US funneled 5 billion into Ukraine, the US orchestrated the coup, Victoria Nuland is on recorded telephone conversation discussing who they will put in power..

The US ousted the democratically elected pro Russian leader and installed a pro western/ EU one 

 

[impulse]

49 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

The US funneled 5 billion into Ukraine, the US orchestrated the coup, Victoria Nuland is on recorded telephone conversation discussing who they will put in power..

The US ousted the democratically elected pro Russian leader and installed a pro western/ EU one 

 

Never let facts get in the way of a good Commie bashing. 

 

 

[RayC]

4 hours ago, frank83628 said:

The US funneled 5 billion into Ukraine, the US orchestrated the coup, Victoria Nuland is on recorded telephone conversation discussing who they will put in power..

The US ousted the democratically elected pro Russian leader and installed a pro western/ EU one 

 

 

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Never let facts get in the way of a good Commie bashing. 

 

 

 

Indeed, never let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy story.

 

Do you dispute that Yanukovych was elected on a pro-EU platform? Do you dispute that the Ukrainian public were overwhelming in favour of closer ties with the EU (>80% approval ratings)? Do you dispute that the Ukrainian parliament had passed a bill approving the signing of the EU - Ukrainian Association Agreement formally establishing economic and political ties between the parties? Do you dispute that despite Parliamentary approval and his own campaign promises, Yanukovych - under pressure from Moscow which had imposed restrictions on Ukrainian imports - unilaterally pulled out of a ceremony where this Agreement would be endorsed? Do you dispute that members of  Yanukovych's own party voted to replace him as President in light of these events? Do you dispute that the Maidan protests were as a result of these events?

 

That is not opinion. That is fact. So If you do dispute any of that, then you are denying facts.

 

So while the US may well have funneled 5 billion into Ukraine and Victoria Nuland may well have discussed who the US's favoured Presidential replacement would be, the US did not orchestrate a coup, oust a democratically elected pro Russian leader and install a pro-EU one. The Ukrainian people ousted a President who had done a complete volte face and replaced him with someone who would implement the will of over 80% of the electorate.

 

Accept reality, take your heads out of the sand and stop acting as apologists for Putin.

[impulse]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

 

Indeed, never let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy story.

 

Do you dispute that Yanukovych was elected on a pro-EU platform? Do you dispute that the Ukrainian public were overwhelming in favour of closer ties with the EU (>80% approval ratings)? Do you dispute that the Ukrainian parliament had passed a bill approving the signing of the EU - Ukrainian Association Agreement formally establishing economic and political ties between the parties? Do you dispute that despite Parliamentary approval and his own campaign promises, Yanukovych - under pressure from Moscow which had imposed restrictions on Ukrainian imports - unilaterally pulled out of a ceremony where this Agreement would be endorsed? Do you dispute that members of  Yanukovych's own party voted to replace him as President in light of these events? Do you dispute that the Maidan protests were as a result of these events?

 

That is not opinion. That is fact. So If you do dispute any of that, then you are denying facts.

 

So while the US may well have funneled 5 billion into Ukraine and Victoria Nuland may well have discussed who the US's favoured Presidential replacement would be, the US did not orchestrate a coup, oust a democratically elected pro Russian leader and install a pro-EU one. The Ukrainian people ousted a President who had done a complete volte face and replaced him with someone who would implement the will of over 80% of the electorate.

 

Accept reality, take your heads out of the sand and stop acting as apologists for Putin.

 

That's one version of history.  But I still remember when the CIA didn't foment any coups in Latin America, according to the approved history books of the time.  (Edit:  Nor SEA)  Now, we all know better.

 

I'm not a Putin apologist.  I'm a realist.  The only way Crimea and Donbas are going back is to risk WW3, a NATO ground war, and nuclear Armageddon.  I'd prefer that not happen.

 

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

 

Indeed, never let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy story.

 

Do you dispute that Yanukovych was elected on a pro-EU platform? Do you dispute that the Ukrainian public were overwhelming in favour of closer ties with the EU (>80% approval ratings)? Do you dispute that the Ukrainian parliament had passed a bill approving the signing of the EU - Ukrainian Association Agreement formally establishing economic and political ties between the parties? Do you dispute that despite Parliamentary approval and his own campaign promises, Yanukovych - under pressure from Moscow which had imposed restrictions on Ukrainian imports - unilaterally pulled out of a ceremony where this Agreement would be endorsed? Do you dispute that members of  Yanukovych's own party voted to replace him as President in light of these events? Do you dispute that the Maidan protests were as a result of these events?

 

That is not opinion. That is fact. So If you do dispute any of that, then you are denying facts.

 

So while the US may well have funneled 5 billion into Ukraine and Victoria Nuland may well have discussed who the US's favoured Presidential replacement would be, the US did not orchestrate a coup, oust a democratically elected pro Russian leader and install a pro-EU one. The Ukrainian people ousted a President who had done a complete volte face and replaced him with someone who would implement the will of over 80% of the electorate.

 

Accept reality, take your heads out of the sand and stop acting as apologists for Putin.

Yes, I dispute all the western propaganda you wrote.

RFK only yesterday spoke about the US coup and NATO expansion to Putins borders, and how the US provoked the war.

do you think you know more than him when it comes to Ukraine? Do I believe someone that is in US government or someone on an expat forum that reads the bbc

[BLMFem]

44 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

That's one version of history.  But I still remember when the CIA didn't foment any coups in Latin America, according to the approved history books of the time.  (Edit:  Nor SEA)  Now, we all know better.

 

I'm not a Putin apologist.  I'm a realist.  The only way Crimea and Donbas are going back is to risk WW3, a NATO ground war, and nuclear Armageddon.  I'd prefer that not happen.

 

Yes, you prefer to bend over. We know, you have made that abundantly clear.

[BLMFem]

16 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Yes, I dispute all the western propaganda you wrote.

RFK only yesterday spoke about the US coup and NATO expansion to Putins borders, and how the US provoked the war.

do you think you know more than him when it comes to Ukraine? Do I believe someone that is in US government or someone on an expat forum that reads the bbc

RFK Jr? The health secretary that said we shouldn't come to him for medical advise?

Oh Dima, you're so funny sometimes. Unintentionally funny, but funny nonetheless.

[RayC]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Yes, I dispute all the western propaganda you wrote.

RFK only yesterday spoke about the US coup and NATO expansion to Putins borders, and how the US provoked the war.

do you think you know more than him when it comes to Ukraine? Do I believe someone that is in US government or someone on an expat forum that reads the bbc

 

1. Yanukovych was elected on a pro-EU platform

 

2. In 2014 80% of the Ukrainian public were in favour of closer ties with the EU

 

3. The Ukrainian parliament had passed a bill approving the signing of the EU - Ukrainian Association Agreement

 

4. Yanukovych pulled out of a ceremony where this Agreement would be signed 

 

5. Members of  Yanukovych's own party voted to depose him as President

 

6. The Maïdan protests took place following these events

 

If you, RFK or anyone else denies that these events took place, then not only do you know less than me but you are living in an alternative universe.

 

It's ok to admit that you got something wrong. What is not ok is to deny the facts in order to act as an apologist for a despot.

 

[RayC]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

That's one version of history.

 

No it is not one version of history, it is a  chronological listing of events.

 

4 hours ago, impulse said:

  But I still remember when the CIA didn't foment any coups in Latin America, according to the approved history books of the time.  (Edit:  Nor SEA)  Now, we all know better.

 

What the CIA did or didn't do in Latin America in the 1980s is completely irrelevant to the events in Ukraine in 2014.

 

4 hours ago, impulse said:

I'm not a Putin apologist.  I'm a realist. 

4 hours ago, impulse said:

The only way Crimea and Donbas are going back is to risk WW3, a NATO ground war, and nuclear Armageddon.  I'd prefer that not happen.

 

 

No one in their right mind would welcome an escalation in hostilities but 

that is a completely different topic. What is under discussion here are the events leading up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

[frank83628]

5 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

1. Yanukovych was elected on a pro-EU platform

 

2. In 2014 80% of the Ukrainian public were in favour of closer ties with the EU

 

3. The Ukrainian parliament had passed a bill approving the signing of the EU - Ukrainian Association Agreement

 

4. Yanukovych pulled out of a ceremony where this Agreement would be signed 

 

5. Members of  Yanukovych's own party voted to depose him as President

 

6. The Maïdan protests took place following these events

 

If you, RFK or anyone else denies that these events took place, then not only do you know less than me but you are living in an alternative universe.

 

It's ok to admit that you got something wrong. What is not ok is to deny the facts in order to act as an apologist for a despot.

 

You can repeat the western propaganda machine as much as you want, it doesn't  make it true.

Even after WMDs, 911, , Assad gassing his people, Gaddafi, Saddam's  babies in incubators, anthrax, you still vehemently back those that have lied to you and  been proven liars..  fool me once and all that, gullible. Com

[BLMFem]

13 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

You can repeat the western propaganda machine as much as you want, it doesn't  make it true.

Even after WMDs, 911, , Assad gassing his people, Gaddafi, Saddam's  babies in incubators, anthrax, you still vehemently back those that have lied to you and  been proven liars..  fool me once and all that, gullible. Com

And you can repeat the Russian propaganda all you want. You won't even be thrown out of a window or poisoned if you do. 

Great, isn't it buddy?

[RayC]

Just now, frank83628 said:

You can repeat the western propaganda machine as much as you want, it doesn't  make it true.

 

Fact, noun: a thing that is known or proved to be true.

 

The events which I listed took place. That is known and undeniable. They are therefore, by definition, facts.

 

If you deny this you are, by definition, delusional.

 

Delusional, adjective: characterized by or holding false beliefs or judgements about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, typically as a symptom of a mental condition.

 

Just now, frank83628 said:

Even after WMDs, 911, , Assad gassing his people, Gaddafi, Saddam's  babies in incubators, anthrax,

 

All completely irrelevant to the discussion of events in Ukraine in 2014.

 

Just now, frank83628 said:

 

you still vehemently back those that have lied to you and  been proven liars..  fool me once and all that, gullible. Com

 

I vehemently back the Ukrainian people's right to self-determination. Something you obviously don't value.

 

You are peddling a conspiracy theory. Nothing more, nothing less.

[frank83628]

6 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Fact, noun: a thing that is known or proved to be true.

 

The events which I listed took place. That is known and undeniable. They are therefore, by definition, facts.

 

If you deny this you are, by definition, delusional.

 

Delusional, adjective: characterized by or holding false beliefs or judgements about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, typically as a symptom of a mental condition.

 

 

All completely irrelevant to the discussion of events in Ukraine in 2014.

 

 

I vehemently back the Ukrainian people's right to self-determination. Something you obviously don't value.

 

You are peddling a conspiracy theory. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ray ray, go away, you are just regurgitating the BBC media BS, I am on Putins side 100%, nothing you say will change that. Putin is a strong world leader, you are backing up weak politicians from the UK, stamer vs Putin, I bet Vlad for the win.

USA orchestrated the 2014 coup. And antagonised the situation to where we are today