12 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Oh no!  POKING THE BEAR!  🤣

Kindergartens, playgrounds, hospitals, and apartment buildings will pay the price, it's true.  I just love the Russian mindset -- we can do ANYTHING WE WANT TO YOU... but if you fight back IT'S ESCALATION

Sadly it's the reality. The term poking the bear means to  deliberately provoke or antagonise someone more powerful. Russia is clearly more powerful than Ukraine. You can deflect from the reality of my post all you like but the fact is Putin will retaliate. The bear has been poked. Also say what you like but this is escalation and probably the largest of the war so far. Sadly many more lives will be lost as IMO Putin will hit back and hit back hard.

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: Time for me to go, facts and history vis a vis rhetoric is being discussed.

Its all perspective of life, how much time Im willing to waste on this forum. We know, it will not change a thing what you and me discussing here. Have no value at all. Especially when I suspect you have no whatsoever interest in being serious, and use Putin and Carslon as your sources. Translation headlines from handpicked media

5 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

It's really not, Dinsdale.  Ukraine is 233000 square kilometers.  At this rate they'll take over Ukraine in (233K/2k)3 in 349,500 years.

Sorry but this is a protracted war of attrition. It's not linear. Gains of a few km² in a day can substantial. It's slow moving trench and urban warfare. Add to this the winter months when gains and loses in km² are minimal.

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Sadly it's the reality. The term poking the bear means to  deliberately provoke or antagonise someone more powerful. Russia is clearly more powerful than Ukraine. You can deflect from the reality of my post all you like but the fact is Putin will retaliate. The bear has been poked. Also say what you like but this is escalation and probably the largest of the war so far. Sadly many more lives will be lost as IMO Putin will hit back and hit back hard.

Happily, it's not.  No one is "poking the bear."  They're fighting back against a vicious aggressor that routinely, intentionally bombs civilian targets and has invaded three times in just the past few years.  Of course Putin will retaliate.  And 100% against civilian targets.  Fear of the bully punching you back is not a reason not to hit him hard and often.  It's the only way bullies, and dictators, learn.

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Sorry but this is a protracted war of attrition. It's not linear. Gains of a few km² in a day can substantial. It's slow moving trench and urban warfare. Add to this the winter months when gains and loses in km² are minimal.

Sorry but 2K km in 3 years is NOT substantial.  Period.  This is a stalled, failed third invasion and what keeps Putin going is the knowledge that his life is at risk is he can't make a pie out of the turd he laid.

21 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Actually there was. Zelensky was about to sign, when Boris Johnson flew in and told him that if Zelensky signed he would have no backing from the US or Britain. But that they should fight instead.

 

Russia gave a last chance for peace. But Biden, Kamala and Johnson made sure Zelensky could not take it.

Russia can choose peace any moment by withdrawing its forces to within its own borders.

 

There was no war until Russia invaded.

 

 

16 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Actually there was. Zelensky was about to sign, when Boris Johnson flew in and told him that if Zelensky signed he would have no backing from the US or Britain. But that they should fight instead.

 

Russia gave a last chance for peace. But Biden, Kamala and Johnson made sure Zelensky could not take it.

Actually, there wasn’t.
 

Nice fairytale, with a Kremlin watermark on it.
 

Yes, there were peace talks in Istanbul in early 2022 — but they stalled before Boris Johnson ever set foot in Kyiv. The Bucha massacre made sure of that. Ukraine wasn’t about to shake hands with a butcher.
 

Zelensky didn’t walk away because Johnson or Biden told him to. He walked because Russia demanded Ukraine disarm and surrender territory — in other words, capitulate.
 

Oh, and your “Russia gave a last chance for peace” line? That’s rich, coming from the side launching missiles at maternity wards and annexing land mid-negotiation.
 

If Putin wanted peace, he’d withdraw from all of Ukraine.

Until then, save the bedtime stories.

14 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Ukraine is trying to drag the whole world into World War 3. Because they know they will lose at the negotiation table.  And on the battlefield too. Their only hope is to drag the rest of the world into this war. They hope Putin will strike Ukraine with nuclear weapons.

 

However, I doubt Putin will not see through this.

 

Russia is doing very badly at negotiations by putting Trump back supporting Ukraine, and doing terrible on the battlefield.......

 

"Russian recruits appear to be suffering significant casualties because of poor training, equipment shortages, and systematic misuse of assault units in combat. A former Storm-Z instructor and milblogger claimed on April 13 that poor training of recruits is limiting Russia's ability to conduct any other operations aside from "meat" assaults"

 

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-force-generation-and-technological-adaptations-update-may-30-2025

 

 

 

15 hours ago, frank83628 said:

I challenge all the war mongers here to my gym, for a Putin is bad sparring session

Don't be silly, grow up..............🙄

20 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Its all perspective of life, how much time Im willing to waste on this forum. We know, it will not change a thing what you and me discussing here. Have no value at all. Especially when I suspect you have no whatsoever interest in being serious, and use Putin and Carslon as your sources. Translation headlines from handpicked media

Translation: Im still a loser in this debate and will get off one last flame.

 

PS, you cant point to one instance where I have used Putin and Carslon as my sources. You therefore lied.

46 minutes ago, jas007 said:

This reminds me of the propaganda used during the Vietnam era. And before that, during the era of the Domino theory. Nonsense to support the endless war.  

 

Remember Vietnam?  The talking points back then were similar.  If North Vietnam succeeds, Communists would run the country, Vietnam's economic system would be destroyed, thousands would be killed, and the rest "re-educated."  Effective propaganda that worked.  Remember all the people clamoring for a place on the helicopters that were evacuating people from the US Embassy?  

 

And yet what really happened?  Nothing of the sort. Yes, the Communists run the government, but businesses in Vietnam will gladly take your Visa, Mastercard, or American Express. No one was killed, no one was "re-edcated."  Life moved on.  The war is history.  And so the war mongers moved on as well.  Now the Boogeyman is Russia.  Same nonsense, different decade. 

 

After the Vietnam War, the Communists did indeed run the country. There were re-education camps and many military and civilian government workers were interned, some for quite long periods.

 

Private companies and banks were nationalized with no compensation given to the owners. The economy was in shambles for a long time and to this day dissent or freedom of speech or assembly is not tolerated.

 

Sure, they'll take your money, but won't allow their own people the right to peaceful political speech.

 

Laos and Cambodia also fell to communist regimes, so there was a hint of truth to the domino theory. It just didn't go as far as some claimed it would.

 

https://www.thevietnamese.org/2024/05/post-1975-tragedy-the-grim-reality-of-life-in-vietnams-re-education-camps/

 

 

1 minute ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Happily, it's not.  No one is "poking the bear."  They're fighting back against a vicious aggressor that routinely, intentionally bombs civilian targets and has invaded three times in just the past few years.  Of course Putin will retaliate.  And 100% against civilian targets.  Fear of punching the bully punching you back is not a reason not to hit him hard and often.  It's the only way bullies, and dictators, learn.

Think what you like. Putin will retaliate because of this drone strike. There has also been what is being said to be two attacks on bridges taking out passenger trains.

14 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

They're fighting back against a vicious aggressor that routinely, intentionally bombs civilian targets

Russians have been barbaric since they have become a nation. Ukrainians are no better.

 

16 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

has invaded three times in just the past few years.

Crimea you are referring to? Can you show us where Crimea is historically Ukraine?

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Russia can choose peace any moment by withdrawing its forces to within its own borders.

 

That would just leave cheatin' Ukraine free to gangbang with hansum man USA and the EU. We both know that would not resolve any problems.

10 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Russia is doing very badly at negotiations by putting Trump back supporting Ukraine, and doing terrible on the battlefield.......

 

Russia would be in worse shape if the Europeans werent buying Russian gas.

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: Im still a loser in this debate and will get off one last flame.

 

PS, you cant point to one instance where I have used Putin and Carslon as my sources. You therefore lied.

The historians is not on your side. 
 

and our biased opinions are of no importance. 
 

Once a Norwegian King ruled Kyiv, does that make it Norwegian? 
 

I have taken a genetic test, and a slightly tiny part of me is Ukrainian. 
 

you deny 183 countries reckoned Ukraine as a country. That’s brave, and you have not proved anything yourself. 
 

I can post links from Britannia, wiki, other independent links, headlines, but you know you are here just to drivel post or trolling until someone do not want to play with you anymore, and you can call them out, 
 

 

16 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Sorry but 2K km in 3 years is NOT substantial.  Period.  This is a stalled, failed third invasion and what keeps Putin going is the knowledge that his life is at risk is he can't make a pie out of the turd he laid.

I suggest you research protracted attritional warfare. It's not just about ground taken. As for 2000 km² in three years this just shows how hard fought and difficult this war is for the troops on both sides with countless 100's of thousands (?) losing their lives.

11 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

After the Vietnam War, the Communists did indeed run the country. There were re-education camps and many military and civilian government workers were interned, some for quite long periods.

 

Private companies and banks were nationalized with no compensation given to the owners. The economy was in shambles for a long time and to this day dissent or freedom of speech or assembly is not tolerated.

 

Sure, they'll take your money, but won't allow their own people the right to peaceful political speech.

 

Laos and Cambodia also fell to communist regimes, so there was a hint of truth to the domino theory. It just didn't go as far as some claimed it would.

 

https://www.thevietnamese.org/2024/05/post-1975-tragedy-the-grim-reality-of-life-in-vietnams-re-education-camps/

It’s worth adding that Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia didn’t simply “fall” to communism in a vacuum. These countries turned to the Soviet Union and China because they were being bombed, invaded, or manipulated — often with U.S. support for colonial powers like the French.
 

Ho Chi Minh even wrote to President Truman in 1945, appealing for support to rid Vietnam of French colonial rule — invoking the same principles the U.S. had used to gain independence from Britain. He was ignored.
 

Had the U.S. backed anti-colonial self-determination instead of siding with France, the Cold War landscape in Southeast Asia could have looked very different.

14 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Ukraine wasn’t about to shake hands with a butcher.

 

Liar!

 

"According to a Foreign Affairs article from October 2022, multiple former senior U.S. officials said that “Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement

 

Former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett played a large role in those April 2022 negotiations. In an interview, he also claimed that Russia and Ukraine were willing to make major concessions and end the conflict, until pressure from then UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson convinced Zelensky to back down from such a deal. Davyd Arakhamia, a Ukrainian parliamentary representative at the talks, made a similar claim. “They were hoping almost to the end to put pressure on us to sign such a document and accept neutrality. It was a big deal for them,” he said in November 2023, referring to the Russians. “They were ready to end the war if we, like Finland once did, would accept neutrality and pledge not to join NATO. In fact, that was the main point. All the rest are cosmetic and political ‘additions.

 

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukraine-russia-2669196351/

1 hour ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Far, far more people would be alive today if the Soviets hadn't resisted -- tens of millions of them.  Incredible that you'd argue that they should have laid down their arms (and that "US warmongers" shouldn't have supported them so much!).

 

That's a false statement and a disingenuous comparison in one post. Congratulations on that efficiency.

 

First, Hitler was very public about his desire to exterminate the sub humans in the East to make room for the German Master Race.  So had the Soviets laid down their arms, they would have been exterminated anyway.  Your claim that "tens of millions would have survived" doesn't pass the sniff test of history.  They'd have been dead of high velocity lead poisoning or starvation or the cold.

 

And comparing Russia's current actions to a war of extermination for living space doesn't ring true either.  If the Ukrainians in Donbas lay down their arms and accept reality, they'll wake up tomorrow, go to work at the same jobs, and just sing a different national anthem.  There will not be gulags or extermination camps or einsatzgruppen.  Just a different flag on the pole. 

 

In fact, the ones in Donbas already have.  (And even voted that way.)   It's the idiot in Kiev that's feeding their youth into the meat grinder.

 

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Tell us what tactical purpose this attack served instead of the usual flaming we see from your crowd

 

There is no attack.  It is just that your comments are often irrational and meandering,  lashing out at sinister cadres.   

There is a significant amount of research that  shows  that long-term and/or heavy use of cannabis can cause people who are high to not know what is real, to have hallucinations and to demonstrate paranoia. It is a psychosis. Heavy use of cannabis may lead to development of psychotic disorders, such as schizophrenia. The relationship between cannabis use and psychotic, bipolar, depressive, and anxiety disorders, has been documented.  For Example; Cannabis Use and the Risk for Psychosis and Affective Disorders:Lucia Sideli, PhD ,Harriet Quigley , MBBS, MRes, MRCPsych ,Caterina La Cascia, PhD & Robin M. Murray, MD, FRS Pages 22-42 |Journal of Dual Diagnosis 24 Oct 2019   

 

25 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Russia is doing very badly at negotiations by putting Trump back supporting Ukraine, and doing terrible on the battlefield.......

 

More lies, before the terrorist attack in Russia the Ukrainian forces were retreating and the Russians were advancing in Ukraine.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Liar!

 

"According to a Foreign Affairs article from October 2022, multiple former senior U.S. officials said that “Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement

 

Former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett played a large role in those April 2022 negotiations. In an interview, he also claimed that Russia and Ukraine were willing to make major concessions and end the conflict, until pressure from then UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson convinced Zelensky to back down from such a deal. Davyd Arakhamia, a Ukrainian parliamentary representative at the talks, made a similar claim. “They were hoping almost to the end to put pressure on us to sign such a document and accept neutrality. It was a big deal for them,” he said in November 2023, referring to the Russians. “They were ready to end the war if we, like Finland once did, would accept neutrality and pledge not to join NATO. In fact, that was the main point. All the rest are cosmetic and political ‘additions.

 

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ukraine-russia-2669196351/

 

Cute. There is just one itsy, bitsy detail that this great scheme overlooks: membership in NATO was never  going to happen. There was no way that the USA and others were going to take on the  risks and exposures that Ukraine would bring.  It was never ever a viable option. No one trusted Ukraine. Ukraine was filled with Russian spies, and NATO did not need another member that leaked secrets and technology like Turkey.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

More lies, before the terrorist attack in Russia the Ukrainian forces were retreating and the Russians were advancing in Ukraine.

What terrorist attack? 

56 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Been around an extra 2000km² taken by the Russians since end of Feb 2023. In a protracted war of attrition this is quite a bit

 

That's less than the State of Rhode Island (3144 sqkm).  I went to school there for a couple of years.  Believe me, nobody outside of New England would even notice it was gone if it disappeared into, for example, Massachusetts.

 

15 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Clearly you lack the capacity to understand what this means. The more Russia  has to give blood the more the likelihood rises Russia will unleash tactical nuclear strikes on Ukraine.

 

Germany lifting Taurus strike ranges has further escalated matters.

 

 

Thankfully you are wrong, as always. One only has to recall the Cuban missile crisis when Russia acted very reasonably.

 

Hopefully Putin will retain a cool head like his predecessors in the face of this cowardly drone attack.

so... to understand you correctly it's ok for the dictator to keep shelling innocent civilians/children in Ukraine but it's not ok for Ukraine to defend themselves and hit back, whowww that's sad,  what have you been smoking or did you change medication

15 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

You should try to read the news, Germany has agreed to "develop" long range weapons with Ukraine, which effectively means Ukraine will get the Taurus technology from Germany.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpw7vllepx7o

if so, what's wrong with that, didn't you realize the world is tired of the bully from russia

20 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

After the Vietnam War, the Communists did indeed run the country. There were re-education camps and many military and civilian government workers were interned, some for quite long periods.

 

Private companies and banks were nationalized with no compensation given to the owners. The economy was in shambles for a long time and to this day dissent or freedom of speech or assembly is not tolerated.

 

Sure, they'll take your money, but won't allow their own people the right to peaceful political speech.

 

Laos and Cambodia also fell to communist regimes, so there was a hint of truth to the domino theory. It just didn't go as far as some claimed it would.

 

https://www.thevietnamese.org/2024/05/post-1975-tragedy-the-grim-reality-of-life-in-vietnams-re-education-camps/

 

 

You're right, but after a while, much of that subsided and history moved on. As for the "free speech" issue?  Probably still problematic, but then again, take a look at what the so-called USA Democrats were in the process of accomplishing. Free Speech?  Nope. Anything they didn't like was labeled "misinformation." They even wanted to establish a misinformation Czar, remember?  That project was shelved, at least temporarily, but they're still trying.  And  remember Hillary? Didn't she recently say something about re-education camps?  

 

Free speech is an issue in every country.  

4 hours ago, nick supreme said:

 

Russia needs punch in the face.  

 

What an absolutely articulate and erudite post.

 

 

 

What school you go?

15 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Talks are scheduled for 2nd June. Again, you should try to read the news.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-set-out-roadmap-peace-istanbul-talks-document-shows-2025-06-01/

 

 

do you still believe in Santa ??? Putin his a PACO same as Trump is a TACO, he will not show up same as he did before