Is it possible to rehabilitate a bargirl back into polite society?

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Because she had an uncle who instilled some moral values in her. 

 

 

But where is the "limit" where it becomes more "moral" to actually do sex work? 

 

Is torture moral compared to sex work? Because that lifestyle sounds like torture. 

 

Is sex work really worse than collecting plastic bottles 12 hours a day in the hot sun for next to nothing? 

 

I don't want to debate it. And I better take a break from this thread before I get stoned to death. 

 

Edit: I also watched a youtube video of a western sex worker. In her mind, she's a sort of "therapist" for men. The whole notion of "sex is dirty" maybe is a bit too puritanical and maybe it's better to work in a bar than subject a human being to a degrading life of collecting plastic bottles. 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

why don't you put the picture of your Trans Am in the avatar then, silly person?

 

that's one of the coolest chick magnets ever. 

never seen one in thailand. 

 

 

[MalcolmB]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Aaaah, you being nosey, stick to your sordid girlie stuff............🤔

Snitches are bitches who get stitches.

[Cameroni]

17 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

But where is the "limit" where it becomes more "moral" to actually do sex work? 

 

Is torture moral compared to sex work? Because that lifestyle sounds like torture. 

 

Is sex work really worse than collecting plastic bottles 12 hours a day in the hot sun for next to nothing? 

 

I don't want to debate it. And I better take a break from this thread before I get stoned to death. 

 

Edit: I also watched a youtube video of a western sex worker. In her mind, she's a sort of "therapist" for men. The whole notion of "sex is dirty" maybe is a bit too puritanical and maybe it's better to work in a bar than subject a human being to a degrading life of collecting plastic bottles. 

 

 

 

Nobody ever said "That woman slept with 500 men, I really admire that". It's easy for a woman to sleep with 500 men, it's hard not to do it. So we don't respect a woman with a lot of sexual partners, from the outset it's easy for her, it's harder not to do it.

 

Now there are policy reasons for making prostitution immoral. Prostitution is a woman selling her body. And if she is prepared to do that, she has shown what she is capable of, there is very little in the way of immoral behaviour she would not be capable of doing. This is why prostitutes often steal, they're already viewed as immoral. A prostitute is a woman contaminated in every way, not just with DNA from 500 or 3000 guys, but with immorality. Why would anyone want to be with an immoral woman? She's a professional gold digger.

 

Sex IS dirty, it's filthy, and a woman who wallows in prostitution is like a pig that wallows in mud , she's filthy beyond measure.

 

So no, working in a bar is not better than collecting bottles. The latter has a dignity which prostitution could never have.

 

Of course there are some who argue that torture can be moral, if you're trying to save a life, and will argue that prostitution can be moral, if she does it to feed a child. And yes, intent is relevant, but there are always alternatives to prostitution.

 

 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

So no, working in a bar is not better than collecting bottles. The latter has a dignity which prostitution could never have.

 

You are looking at it from a self-centered / selfish perspective.

 

To you, a woman with a high body count is "dirty", so she is ineligible to sleep with you.

 

But you don't care about all the suffering that woman has to endure to collect those bottles for little pay.

 

You are only considering prospective partners for yourself.  Ie you are only thinking about yourself. 

 

[transam]

34 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Snitches are bitches who get stitches.

You should know, bars not open yet............?    

[Cameroni]

36 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

You are looking at it from a self-centered / selfish perspective.

 

To you, a woman with a high body count is "dirty", so she is ineligible to sleep with you.

 

But you don't care about all the suffering that woman has to endure to collect those bottles for little pay.

 

You are only considering prospective partners for yourself.  Ie you are only thinking about yourself. 

 

 

This is what morality is, you look at acts from your perspective.

 

Of course I care about a woman suffering due to colllecting bottles for little pay, but I care more about not falling for a prostitute because that would be a lot worse for me.

[3NUMBAS]

When they try to go straight they are exploited and bullied by a ruthless employee so can’t stand it 

[BritManToo]

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

You are only considering prospective partners for yourself.  Ie you are only thinking about yourself. 

Why would anyone live just for other people?

[Hummin]

11 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Why would anyone live just for other people?

The concept is living for each other

[baansgr]

Bar girls...that's so 20th century

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

When they try to go straight they are exploited and bullied by a ruthless employee so can’t stand it 

 

But a lot of Thais have decent jobs, even if they don't pay well. They are better then the highly stressful jobs in the corporate world we had to tolerate that were full of bs.

In some cases, there are decent jobs available, but they are greedy. 

 

[ronnie50]

Not called the seven year itch for nothing. Within a year or two of marriage, there is usually a kid or two, the house is purchased and there is financial security - bored with her spouse, the wife wants a fresh relationship and thus divorce - and she'll take more than her share. I have a friend back home that told me his wife asked him to get the snip around 7 years in, he did, and a month after that she told him she didn't love him anymore and wanted a divorce. I told him he should have sued her. He said "I've already had my kids" and so he left it at that. The other guy was already in the picture I recall.

[MalcolmB]

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Sex IS dirty, it's filthy, and a woman who wallows in prostitution is like a pig that wallows in mud , she's filthy beyond measure.

Don’t hold back.

[MalcolmB]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

But a lot of Thais have decent jobs, even if they don't pay well. They are better then the highly stressful jobs in the corporate world we had to tolerate that were full of bs.

In some cases, there are decent jobs available, but they are greedy. 

 

Same as any country.

Thai whores are no different.

immoral girls going for easy money.

[Cameroni]

1 hour ago, ronnie50 said:

Not called the seven year itch for nothing. Within a year or two of marriage, there is usually a kid or two, the house is purchased and there is financial security - bored with her spouse, the wife wants a fresh relationship and thus divorce - and she'll take more than her share. I have a friend back home that told me his wife asked him to get the snip around 7 years in, he did, and a month after that she told him she didn't love him anymore and wanted a divorce. I told him he should have sued her. He said "I've already had my kids" and so he left it at that. The other guy was already in the picture I recall.

 

This is what I mean, it's already hard enough to make a relationship work with a woman that has a semblance of moral inclination, but even if a woman is not a prostitute, she is likely to make imoral and poor decisions based on feeling, chaos and deceit.

 

Women's  morality is different to ours. If a mother is told her daugther cheated, she won't even think any less of her daugther or chastise her for it, they don't see cheating in the same way.

 

Since women already have this propensity for cheating, imagine if she's a prostitute and used to fornicating with hundreds of men. How could she possibly view sexual fidelity in anything other than a cynical light and without conviction? It's hard enough to keep a civilian woman on the straight and narrow, but a bona fide prostitute, the odds of succeeding would be very low.

 

She's used to jumping from man to man, why would she suddenly view fidelity as something sacred or desirable? She was trained all her life that infidelity pays. It would truly be a nightmare for the man.

 

Not that a normal woman can't be a nightmare of the worst order, but a prostitute must be another dimension of hell.

[SAFETY FIRST]

On 6/11/2025 at 8:42 AM, MalcolmB said:

Is it possible to rehabilitate a bargirl back into polite society? 

Polite societies are becoming scarce with all the riff-raff foreigners arriving these days. 

 

[Cameroni]

46 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Don’t hold back.

 

I don't want to. Of course I don't want to be overly harsh on our friends, the prostitutes either. Their trade is honest, and who of us can claim perfect morality at all times? Perhaps we would have been prostitutes had we been born a woman.

 

The immorality of the prostitute's job does not concern me so much, it's more that she is filthy, contaminated, morally corrupt and unreliable and thus would make a poor choice for any man.

 

Why choose a prostitute when there are millions of non-sex-worker type girls?

[BritManToo]

24 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Why choose a prostitute when there are millions of non-sex-worker type girls?

And the answer is Frequent sex!

With a much younger woman.

 

Same with massage ladies, after years of 8x handjobs a day.

The once a day you want isn't a problem.

Their arm isn't too tired after a bit of housework.

 

Although I must say, I haven't found Thai society all that polite.

[Cameroni]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

And the answer is Frequent sex!

With a much younger woman.

 

Same with massage ladies, after years of 8x handjobs a day.

The one you want isn't a problem.

Their arm isn't too tired after a bit of housework.

 

I'd say frequent sex is a given, what man would enter into any relationship with any woman if frequent sex were not provided? You don't need a sex worker to have frequent sex. 

 

Civilians girls are very happy to provide it too. 

[BritManToo]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I'd say frequent sex is a given, what man would enter into any relationship with any woman if frequent sex were not provided? You don't need a sex worker to have frequent sex. 

 

Civilians girls are very happy to provide it too. 

I never encountered one married guy back in the UK that had frequent sex from his wife after the first year or two, maybe one a month for the luckiest guys. I'm guessing you've never had any LTRs with a white western woman.

 

The married Thai guys don't get any at home either, they all have a paid bit on the side, or visit brothels, massage girls.

[Cameroni]

33 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I never encountered one married guy back in the UK that had frequent sex from his wife after the first year or two, maybe one a month for the luckiest guys. I'm guessing you've never had any LTRs with a white western woman.

 

I've had two, one of 12 years and one of 23 years. Both of them provided sex regularly til the end. However, it is true that the second one  had a slight decline in her willingness to do some of the kinkier things. However, I was a bit atypical, I was making 180,000 USD a year at that time, I was a lawyer so my status was high, and I have the face. So it was always difficult for those girls to think they could get something better, and both did not succeed in that.

 

Nevertheless, in Thailand, I can't imagine you'd enter into a relationship with a girl when she does not provide frequent sex. I had a Filipina for 6 years and she provided sex without any flaw.

 

What I do is I make clear that if they say "no" to sex, that is wholly unacceptable to me, and I would end the relationship. And I'm not joking either, I'm serious about it. 

 

To not get frequent sex in a relationship is unthinkable to me. Of course I'm 53, when I'm 73 maybe I'll find out things I don't want to find out about.

[Nicco]

Polite society... maybe.

 

 

A relationship?

 

Only if they are at the end of the game and they know it - and they know you know they know they know it.

 

Not so much never ending gratitude, but she's gotta be thankful what her future looks like next 40 years forward without the knight in shining armor

 

One massive downside is all the lifelong STIs living in her body and propensity toward cervical cancer. Another is their morals and ethics have changed. May be better not legally married

 

Never take East Asian women back to home country - especially this one.

 

Better with SMALL Buddhist wedding (if that) - no papers

[Nicco]

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

had a slight delcine in her willingness to do some of the kinkier things.

 

To me this is the only reason to hook up with a bar girl. Her limits are going to be higher or lower (depending how you look at it).

 

Normal women have limits and by and large should be respected they are not hoors.

 

I don't disagree about when the sex stops or the pleasantness or cooking and cleaning the marriage is finished. Any behavior that is sketchy and may indicate an affair. Any drinking, drugs, gambling - done.

 

Your end is paying for everything which she readily expects. Perhaps even giving her monthly stipend. My wife banks and spends her own salary. I encourage and help her save.

 

My 2 satang

[Cameroni]

5 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Normal women have limits and by and large should be respected they are not hoors.

 

They have limits, but they will break them if they love you. The first one, an English girl, did not enjoy some of the kinkier things, but did them anyway. Her lack of enthusiasm obviously was a turn-off for me.

 

The second one had no limits at all. None.

 

5 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Any behavior that is sketchy and may indicate an affair.

 

Absolutely right, if they no longer do anything they can to make you happy, there's a reason and you should end it.

 

5 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Your end is paying for everything which she readily expects.

 

Well, exactly, you're the prize, you're financing the good life. So you deserve to be compensated in return.

[Nicco]

32 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

The married Thai guys don't get any at home either, they all have a paid bit on the side, or visit brothels, massage girls.

 

Not untrue, but many are faithful. Many Asian men lose interest in sex in 50++ and focus on money, businesses..

 

I love my wife very much. If the sex stopped and I still wanted to keep the marriage intact I'd get a slice on the side I suppose. At least initially. The costs would definitely come directly out of her inheritance.

[Nicco]

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

They have limits, but they will break them if they love you.

 

That depends. If you're not getting a bj that's just a fail. My wife is 148cm. I'm 183cm. She can barely handle me in the front door I'm not getting in the back. If she won't do some lesbian <deleted> it's not because she doesn't love you. 🙄🙄

 

My wife is so cute when she buys a *sexy costume* it's so conservative it's not really sexy 🤣 I've gotta start picking em.

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, Nicco said:

 

That depends. If you're not getting a bj that's just a fail. My wife is 148cm. I'm 183cm. She can barely handle me in the front door I'm not getting in the back. If she won't do some lesbian <deleted> it's not because she doesn't love you. 🙄🙄

 

My wife is so cute when she buys a *sexy costume* it's so conservative it's not really sexy 🤣 I've gotta start picking em.

 

Well, in Asia back door is controversial, there are physical issues we have to accept. 

 

As long as she tried.

[Nicco]

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, in Asia back door is controversial, there are physical issues we have to accept. 

 

As long as she tried.

 

She's not tried and I've never expected her to. She's tiny. I'm not interested in ruining her for life over a few minutes of selfish pleasure. She excels at other things.

 

What if your wife wanted to have two big studs blast at the same time while you sat and watched and then you went down on her to clean up their mess .. in a maid costume? What if that totally did it for her? You in champ?

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, Nicco said:

 

She's not tried and I've never expected her to. She's tiny. I'm not interested in ruining her for life over a few minutes of selfish pleasure. She excels at other things.

 

What if your wife wanted to have two big studs blast at the same time while you sat and watched and then you clean up their mess in a maid costume? What if that totally did it for her? You in champ?

 

You are positing the question as if the woman is the equal of the man.

 

Especially in sex this is a fallacy.