Israel's nuclear capability

[hotsun]

1 minute ago, BangkokHank said:

So the countries that have nukes haven't used them and probably won't, but the country that doesn't have them (Iran) WILL use use them? Talk about cognitive dissonance.

Negative IQ. You probably just want israel gone

[johng]

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Think that he meant that Iran would use them IF they had them 

But they don't have one and have not pursued one as the Ayatollah

said not to...perhaps after the regime change  they will go all out to achieve a bomb ?  or Pakistan,Russia or China will give them one ?

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, johng said:

But they don't have one and have not pursued one as the Ayatollah

said not to...perhaps after the regime change  they will go all out to achieve a bomb ?  or Pakistan,Russia or China will give them one ?

 

  That's grasping at straws trying to get a victory from this .

A new Iranian regime nuclear bombing Israel ?

I suppose that you do need to keep positive about it and not to lose hope

[dinsdale]

If a nuke is going to be used it will be a GBU-57 MOP with a tactical nuke warhead dropped by a B2. This might be the only way to definitely take out the Fordow nuclear facility. Will Trump do this?

[Smokin Joe]

46 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

If a nuke is going to be used it will be a GBU-57 MOP with a tactical nuke warhead dropped by a B2. This might be the only way to definitely take out the Fordow nuclear facility. Will Trump do this?

 

They can't drop something that doesn't exist.

[PatThaiM]

4 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Israel also have nuclear missiles on submarines, so even if the Mullahs managed to turn Israel into glass, Tehran would still be converted into a landfill of death bodies.

Maybe that is why everyone 🤔 is leaving the city at the moment?

 

No, if Israel is nuked, no one will dare nuke Iran, it would be suicide.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, PatThaiM said:

No, if Israel is nuked, no one will dare nuke Iran, it would be suicide.

 

 

 You are wandering off down the rabbit hole there 

[dinsdale]

28 minutes ago, Smokin Joe said:

 

They can't drop something that doesn't exist.

And you know that there is no such thing do you. 

[Smokin Joe]

Just now, dinsdale said:

And you know that there is no such thing do you. 

 

Yes I do.

 

Do you get your knowledge about ordnance from video games?

[PatThaiM]

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Read what I posted.

You asked if Trump would drop a nuke, I answered you.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, PatThaiM said:

You asked if Trump would drop a nuke, I answered you.

 

   Its good to know that Trump will not uses nuclear weapons 

 

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, PatThaiM said:

You asked if Trump would drop a nuke, I answered you.

I said a tactical nuke and only to take out the Fordow facility. This would not kill "massive amounts of civilians". The fact remains though that MOP's might not be enough to get the job done and that job is the total destruction of the Fordow facility.

[dinsdale]

18 minutes ago, Smokin Joe said:

 

Yes I do.

 

Do you get your knowledge about ordnance from video games?

Tactical nuke. Can be a bomb?

[Smokin Joe]

Just now, dinsdale said:

Tactical nuke. Can be a bomb?

 

Sure. Tactical nukes can be bombs. But you were talking about a very specific bomb that IS NOT nuclear. The GBU-57 MOP has a 6,000 lb conventional warhead. Total weight is approx 30,000 lbs but the weight is mostly the hardened case to allow deep penetration.

 

The only casualties if we dropped a few of these would be people that were actually at the facility. 

 

 

 

[Patong2021]

2 hours ago, johng said:

Mordechai Vanunu

“For his courage and self-sacrifice in revealing the extent of Israel’s nuclear weapons programme.”

 

https://rightlivelihood.org/the-change-makers/find-a-laureate/mordechai-vanunu/

Sure, a hero like  Chelsea Manning or Edward Snowdon or Kim Philby, or Donald Maclean, or Guy Burgess, or Anthony Blunt, or John Cairncross, or Aldrich Ames and others. 

[Social Media]

Topic clean up. A number of off topic posts and replies removed. @PatThaiM please discuss the topic not what you want the topic to be.

[ExpatOilWorker]

7 hours ago, PatThaiM said:

No, if Israel is nuked, no one will dare nuke Iran, it would be suicide.

 

Duh, Israel would level Iran, but not only that if Iran becomes a nuclear nation, Saudi, UAE, Qatar and maybe even Turkey will also have to start their own nuclear programs.

No amount of popcorn will stop how that would end.

[dinsdale]

15 hours ago, novacova said:

There’s no record of them ever testing a nuclear device.

Watch this. A speculative yet compelling argument that Israel has indeed conducted a nuclear test.

 

[PatThaiM]

17 hours ago, novacova said:

There’s no record of them ever testing a nuclear device.

Five months later, on February 27, 1980, even as his administration was attempting to argue otherwise, Carter wrote in his diary: “We have a growing belief among our scientists that the Israelis did indeed conduct a nuclear test explosion in the ocean near the southern end of Africa.”

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/did-the-carter-administration-cover-up-a-1979-israeli-nuclear-test/

[PatThaiM]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Watch this. A speculative yet compelling argument that Israel has indeed conducted a nuclear test.

 

Watched that. Why do US presidents deny Israel’s program is the big question?

 

Every US president since Richard Nixon has refused to acknowledge Israel had a serious nuclear weapons program or arsenal,” he writes. “It would be risky at best for any US official’s career to confirm Israel should be shamed as a violator of an international nuclear agreement it signed and ratified. That, after all, is what Israel accuses Iran of doing.”

 

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/did-the-carter-administration-cover-up-a-1979-israeli-nuclear-test/

[coolcarer]

17 hours ago, bannork said:

 

 Estimates of Israel's stockpile range between 90 and 400 nuclear warheads

 

Its first deliverable nuclear weapon is thought to have been completed in late 1966 or early 1967; which would make it the sixth country in the world to have developed them.^[2][22][23]

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Israel

 

I would have thought Israel has enough nuclear weapons already itself to frighten off any near adversary. Even the Iranian mullahs don't want to reach paradise too early.

 

 

 

An interesting article below from  NBC News

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/know-israels-nuclear-weapons-program-rcna213676

 

Pure distraction from stopping Iran the state sponsors of world wide terrorism from getting a nuclear bomb. 

[Evil Penevil]

Israel's nuclear capability is the biggest and baddest part of its strategy to deter attack.  Called the Samson Option,  it is named  after the Biblical warrior who pulled down a pagan temple, killing himself and thousands of Philistines.  The Israeli nuclear option could be unleashed if the survival of Israel as the homeland of the world's Jews were ever seriously threatened. 

 

The leaders of Saudi Arabia and other Arab and Muslim nations well know the final act of a destroyed Israel would be to obliterate Mecca, the holiest site in Islam, with a nuke.  That's the one thing devout Muslims fear more than any other, the destruction of Mecca and the Kaaba.

 

The Samson Option protects Israel and its citizens from 500 million Arabs and 1.4 billion Muslims, all of whom want to see the Jewish homeland and its Jewish citizens wiped off the map.  Without a nuclear deterrent,  life would be much less secure for Israelis.

 

19 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

I dont think the fear is that Iran will use one - IMO the fear is that they will give one to their radical terrorist organisations that they support, and let them do it - and deny it was them that supplied it. Imagine if Hamas had access to a nuclear weapon - even a small one like the W54 would have catastrophic impact if they somehow snuck one into Tel Aviv. 

 

That's a factor that's extremely important but not much discussed: the ability of the Iranian government to stop nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorist groups.  Should the current Iranian government face a massive uprising or military coup, it's unclear to what extent government forces could protect a nuclear arsenal.  As @TroubleandGrumpynoted, the Iranian leaders might even give terrorists a nuke.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

1 minute ago, Evil Penevil said:

Israel's nuclear capability is the biggest and baddest part of its strategy to deter attack.  Called the Samson Option,  it is named  after the Biblical warrior who pulled down a pagan temple, killing himself and thousands of Philistines.  The Israeli nuclear option could be unleashed if the survival of Israel as the homeland of the world's Jews was ever seriously threatened. 

 

The leaders of Saudi Arabia and other Arab and Muslim nations well know the final act of a destroyed Israel would be to obliterate Mecca, the holiest site in Islam, with a nuke.  That's the one thing devout Muslims fear more than any other, the destruction of Mecca and the Kaaba.

 

The Samson Option protects Israel and its citizens from 500 million Arabs and 1.4 billion Muslims, all of whom want to see the Jewish homeland and its Jewish citizens wiped off the map.  Without a nuclear deterrent,  life would be much less secure for Israelis.

 

 

That's a factor that's extremely important but not much discussed: the ability of the Iranian government to stop nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorist groups.  Should the current Iranian government face a massive uprising or military coup, it['s unclear to what extent government forces could protect a nuclear arsenal.  As @TroubleandGrumpynoted, the Iranian leaders might even give terrorists a nuke.

Excellent points.  If only more AN members had as good an understanding of the situations that they so vehemently comment on and then argue about. 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

[Evil Penevil]

5 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Excellent points.  If only more AN members had as good an understanding of the situations that they so vehemently comment on and then argue about. 

 

Yes, it is disturbing that some pro-Palestinian posts are so far removed from the truth of what happened in the ME before and after 1948.  It's similar to college students who chant, "Globalize the intifada"  and "From the river to the sea"  without realizing they are calls for genocide against Jews. 

 

What's even more worrying is that so many of the pro-Palestinian posts on AN are driven by real admiration for Hamas and old-fashioned antisemitism.  Please note I didn't say every pro-Palestinian post falls into that category,  but it is disturbing how many do.