16 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

I referred to it just as WHO did:  "European Region".  Take it up with them.

 

Kazakhstan isn't in the European region. 

Keep spreading lies.

23 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So why do they have so many measles cases.  50x as many as the USA, according to WHO.  And twice as many in 2024 as in 2023.

 

Links above...

 

Comparing Germany, Austria or Italy eg with US, you'll see that they have less cases than US. (around 500 (Germany) -1000 (Austria)

However, The health care in Romania doesn't fulfill the standards of Central Europe. (Romania 28.ooo cases)

I wondered how many people were going to have to die before Kennedy finally admitted that there might be a way to prevent measles, just like there has been for so many decades.

 

At least the dunce of the Kennedy family is finally doing something smart. I wondered when that would happen. Very unlike him. 

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

So?  You're nitpicking.  The salient part is the 2x increase between 2023 and 2024.  Vaccine hesitancy doesn't work that fast.  Immigration does, if you recall your history.

 

Because of the extremely high transmissibility of measles, a small change in the level of contact between unvaccinated and infected persons can produce a large increase in cases.  The mathematical term that applies is variance.  Being a professional gambler for 25 years, I am very aware of the effects of high variance.

 

The high variance makes imputing the cause of an outbreak from only the case count impossible.

With a moron like Kennedy who is an anti vaccine person, things can rapidly get out of hand!! He is an idiot on steroids! 

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

Kazakhstan isn't in the European region. 

Keep spreading lies.

 

Okay.  You win.  I admit that it appears that the WHO has released a misleading report that could cause more fear of measles than is warranted in Europe. 

 

But let me ask you, why do you figure they'd do that?  And have they ever done that before?

 

I have my theories...

 

28 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I wondered how many people were going to have to die before Kennedy finally admitted that there might be a way to prevent measles, just like there has been for so many decades.

 

At least the dunce of the Kennedy family is finally doing something smart. I wondered when that would happen. Very unlike him. 

The way to 'stop' measles is to get to the root cause. The rash, the fever, the coughing are not the disease. They are the body reacting to toxicity.

 

TBH, I put a huge question mark against the stated numbers of measles infected people. The symptoms of measles, in most cases, are indisguisable from many other 'illnesses'. It seems to me that there is a fear drive afoot. Getting as many cases documented as possible. Seen that before t=with the covid figures. Fell off a ladder. Run over by a steamroller. Murdered. Another three covid cases.

 

Just what is it all about? For me, it is a definite fear drive to swing the pendulum away from vax-skeptical to vax-acceptable.

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

I referred to it just as WHO did:  "European Region".  Take it up with them.

 

So we should take you dishonest posting up with the WHO? 

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

So if I want measles vaccine to stop a measles outbreak, why do big Pharma insist I take 2 other vaccines for unconnected diseases with it?

 

If i want a Zinger burger, would you also insist I buy a Big Mac and a Pizza at the same time?

 

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Big Pharma does not insist.

 

You can request individual vaccinations, they are available.

Providing facts hardly ever makes the faux outrage go away.

6 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

So we should take you dishonest posting up with the WHO? 

 

I quoted and linked the WHO report.  Who am I to argue with "the science"?

 

Though I did later concede that it appears that the WHO had published a misleading report, wondering aloud whether they've ever done that before.

 

Just now, impulse said:

 

I quoted and linked the WHO report.  Who am I to argue with "the science"?

 

Though I did later concede that it appears that the WHO had published a misleading report, wondering aloud whether they've ever done that before.

 

Probably every time the data they post doesn't fit with your narrative.

13 hours ago, gargamon said:

Ever heard of herd immunity? If everyone was vaccinated, infected people would have no impact.

Are you denying the term 'herd immunity' ? Even though for 30yrs it was a thing, right up until covidcon

 

16 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Why force MMR vaccine when there's an outbreak of Measles?

Shouldn't they just be pressing for Measles vaccine?

But no, every opportunity to give three when one would do the job!

I guess medicine is just not a subject understood by some, why not leave it to the pros?  You have a flawed way of thinking, although vaccines aren’t perfect, they’re designed to work best when they’re given before exposure to the disease. This is because it takes time for the body to develop immunity after vaccination. Waiting until there’s an outbreak of a disease before getting vaccinated is risky. By that time, the person has already been exposed to the disease and may already be infected and because of the highly contagious nature of diseases like measles, mumps and rubella, they could also infect others around them.

19 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

I guess medicine is just not a subject understood by some, why not leave it to the pros?  You have a flawed way of thinking, although vaccines aren’t perfect, they’re designed to work best when they’re given before exposure to the disease. This is because it takes time for the body to develop immunity after vaccination. Waiting until there’s an outbreak of a disease before getting vaccinated is risky. By that time, the person has already been exposed to the disease and may already be infected and because of the highly contagious nature of diseases like measles, mumps and rubella, they could also infect others around them.

Brit Man Too is a lot further along the truth road than you Sir.

 

Your post is utter nonsense Sir. You are simply parroting the MSM line. And they are hopelessly wrong, and unscientific.

So it is not unexpected.  Measles is a viscous illness that punishes the victims who catch it. A horrible illness and it is very sad that to hear of a resurgence in the USA where the vaccine is readily available.  It is a highly contagious disease. Those anti-vaxxers who spread the rumours about vaccines are dreadful people who deserve hanging publicly.  The terrible thing about them is that appeal to  people.  They are very big in the  God knows what will happen now under the current regime.

GET YOUR KIDS VACINATED NOW; BEFORE ITS TOO LATE.

17 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Why force MMR vaccine when there's an outbreak of Measles?

Shouldn't they just be pressing for Measles vaccine?

But no, every opportunity to give three when one would do the job!

 

You obviously do not know what Measles is or what the MMR  vaccine is.

General Measles, Mumps, and German Measles/Rubella  are all member of the Paramyxoviridae family of viruses. they are 3 related viruses.  When you see one of the  viruses in an outbreak, you are most likely going to see an appearance of the other closely related infections. The 3 vaccines in 1 reduces the need for additional clinic visits. The newer format MMRV includes chickenpox varicella, which guards against shingles in later years if one has had chickenpox.

 

Whether 1 vaccine or a combination of 3 the ignorance that prevents the vaccination of at risk children would block any and all. People like RFK Jr. have been preaching vaccine misinformation for decades. He made his money litigating bogus claims and promoting debunked claims of conspiracy. He is a contributing reason why  there is a crisis today.

 

57 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Brit Man Too is a lot further along the truth road than you Sir.

 

Your post is utter nonsense Sir. You are simply parroting the MSM line. And they are hopelessly wrong, and unscientific.

How does a manual labourer with no formal education, training, or clinical  experience like you have so much knowledge in virology and infectious disease? How many infected children have you successfully treated?

6 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Are you denying the term 'herd immunity' ? Even though for 30yrs it was a thing, right up until covidcon

 

English definitely not your first language if that's what you got from my post. Back to Moscow for you.

8 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Brit Man Too is a lot further along the truth road than you Sir.

 

Your post is utter nonsense Sir. You are simply parroting the MSM line. And they are hopelessly wrong, and unscientific.

It seems AN's most prolific troll has fallen into the "twisty little maze of passages"* and is incapable of finding a path back to civilization.  Many have entered but few returned.

 

* see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure

 

Elections have consequences this nutter is a prime example what an abomination of a administration just beggers belief.

2 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

It seems AN's most prolific troll has fallen into the "twisty little maze of passages"* and is incapable of finding a path back to civilization.  Many have entered but few returned.

 

* see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure

 

In you opinion I've been elevated to most prolific troll. Who was top before me I wonder.

 

IMO, you do not understand how the body goes about its business. The natural state of the body is good health. Provided it gets the required nutrients, and is not exposed to toxicity, it will jog along quite merrily. Our bodies have an amazing ability to self-heal and maintain good health. Problems arise when either nutrients are not present and/or toxicity invades. And one of the most toxic invaders is vaccines.

 

Measles is a general term for a wide range of symptoms. The symptoms - rash or fever for instance - are the body responding to a toxic insult.

 

In the 1954 measles study by Dr Enders, it showed quite conclusively that he could not isolate the virus. And it has not been done since. however. Whether or not pathogenic viruses do, or do not, exist, has been debated extensively on AN. And it's not fruitful to start them up again IMO; on this thread. But it is definitely worth debating how the body actually works, not only on a day to day basis, but when it is insulted. Because this is at the center of the massless debate. The symptoms are not the disease.

 

The white-coats are forever trying to alter, change and improve nature. We should learn from it, as it has all the answers we seek. 

10 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

How does a manual labourer with no formal education, training, or clinical  experience like you have so much knowledge in virology and infectious disease? How many infected children have you successfully treated?

Foolish talk Sir.

 

You don't need to be some sort of genius to realise that Big Pharma has taken over from nature. And TBH, it is causing massive harm. But, all the while making the already rich, even more so. People must wake up. This present measles nonsense is simply orchestrated fear-mongering. Why? Big Pharma, and their white-coat servants, lost a lot of support during the covid era. They are trying to get back to 'normal' where the flock can be easily herded.

 

We are nothing without nature. Nature is us. And we are nature. 

4 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Foolish talk Sir.

 

You don't need to be some sort of genius to realise that Big Pharma has taken over from nature. And TBH, it is causing massive harm. But, all the while making the already rich, even more so. People must wake up. This present measles nonsense is simply orchestrated fear-mongering. Why? Big Pharma, and their white-coat servants, lost a lot of support during the covid era. They are trying to get back to 'normal' where the flock can be easily herded.

 

We are nothing without nature. Nature is us. And we are nature. 

The crown of foolishness is yours for sure.  If you had a mirror that was just a bit taller, I'm sure you'd see it.

 

Your only 'evidence' is by other misfits, conmen and kooks or 140 year old theories that the author had to seriously amend after clearly seeing their flaws.  Oh well... every chat room needs a court jester.

 

I think your running joke has run out of steam... time to relax and read some non-fiction.

3 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

The crown of foolishness is yours for sure.  If you had a mirror that was just a bit taller, I'm sure you'd see it.

The body will take care of itself. Of course it has to be given the tools. We are what we eat. All what we consist of is in the earth. We are nature.

 

Measles is a wide-ranging set of symptoms. These symptoms are the natural body reaction to toxicity, and its elimination. There is no such thing as a disease called Measles. It is also not contagious. Simply made up anti-science, anti-nature falsehoods.

 

Essentially the body is a part of nature. And as such it is only interested primary in two things; survival and reproduction. To survive the body has to fight of invaders and adapt to different external circumstances and environments. The maintenance system that we all have is working 24/7/365 to keep us in tip-top shape. All of the symptoms that we experience; a sneeze; a fever; stomach problems and the rest, are the body's maintenance in action. It eliminates any nasties as it goes about its business; 'cause it's major aim is to survive in order to reproduce. And we are for the most part unaware of it in action.

 

However, due to various reasons,** we sometimes have a glut of symptoms. The white-coats would have us believe that these symptoms are an illness/sickness/disease. Very often caused by some sort of germ. Well germs are there to keep us healthy. The symptoms are the cure.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

** Beyond the scope of this thread.

5 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The body will take care of itself. Of course it has to be given the tools. We are what we eat. All what we consist of is in the earth. We are nature.

 

Measles is a wide-ranging set of symptoms. These symptoms are the natural body reaction to toxicity, and its elimination. There is no such thing as a disease called Measles. It is also not contagious. Simply made up anti-science, anti-nature falsehoods.

 

Essentially the body is a part of nature. And as such it is only interested primary in two things; survival and reproduction. To survive the body has to fight of invaders and adapt to different external circumstances and environments. The maintenance system that we all have is working 24/7/365 to keep us in tip-top shape. All of the symptoms that we experience; a sneeze; a fever; stomach problems and the rest, are the body's maintenance in action. It eliminates any nasties as it goes about its business; 'cause it's major aim is to survive in order to reproduce. And we are for the most part unaware of it in action.

 

However, due to various reasons,** we sometimes have a glut of symptoms. The white-coats would have us believe that these symptoms are an illness/sickness/disease. Very often caused by some sort of germ. Well germs are there to keep us healthy. The symptoms are the cure.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

** Beyond the scope of this thread.

You have a very rich fantasy life.  Somehow you think there's a conspiracy of many 10's of thousands of doctors, researchers, insurance companies, bureaucrats...... LOL.... how do they keep a lid on that big of ripoff scheme.... KISS involved here.  Occam's razor too  ....     LOL.

Measles Resurgence in the U.S. Reaches 33-Year High Amid Vaccine Hesitancy

 

"Measles Resurgence in the U.S. Reaches 33-Year High Amid Vaccine Hesitancy amid uncontrolled immigration with illegal migrants bringing all sorts of legacy diseases back into the country which were close to being eradicated."

There - fixed it! 

21 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

You have a very rich fantasy life.  Somehow you think there's a conspiracy of many 10's of thousands of doctors, researchers, insurance companies, bureaucrats...... LOL.... how do they keep a lid on that big of ripoff scheme.... KISS involved here.  Occam's razor too  ....     LOL.

The reason they can keep the fraud going is because sheep like yourself are so fixed in your beliefs that you can't envisage it being nonsense.

 

Observe nature and understand the truth. Then you will see that much of modern medicine is marlarky.

12 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The reason they can keep the fraud going is because sheep like yourself are so fixed in your beliefs that you can't envisage it being nonsense.

 

Observe nature and understand the truth. Then you will see that much of modern medicine is marlarky.

Congratulations!  You've put together the longest continuous outpouring of medical nonsense ever seen on AN.  In your future I can see you loudly complaining that "there's a fact in my topic.... I dare not read it".

6 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Congratulations!  You've put together the longest continuous outpouring of medical nonsense ever seen on AN.  In your future I can see you loudly complaining that "there's a fact in my topic.... I dare not read it".

Well try this; find a cat and tell it that he can't see it, can't hear it, can't smell it, cant touch it and it don't exist but he must be very afraid. The cat will laugh at you.

 

This is your stance on viruses.

13 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Foolish talk Sir.

 

You don't need to be some sort of genius to realise that Big Pharma has taken over from nature. And TBH, it is causing massive harm. But, all the while making the already rich, even more so. People must wake up. This present measles nonsense is simply orchestrated fear-mongering. Why? Big Pharma, and their white-coat servants, lost a lot of support during the covid era. They are trying to get back to 'normal' where the flock can be easily herded.

 

We are nothing without nature. Nature is us. And we are nature. 

 

This is not about "big pharma". It is a direct question, which you refuse to answer. You have no formal training, no education, no clinical experience and have not successfully treated one patient and you present yourself as an expert and possessing insight and knowledge.

 

Who or what is big  pharma and what does this imagined entity have to do with a measles epidemic?

The highest rate of infection for the current North America measles epidemic is in Alberta, Canada. Almost all of the people who are becoming infected with measles and suffering complications are the unvaccinated. How is "Big Pharma" causing harm when it is the unvaccinated who are  the ones with the medical complications?

 

You say that "Big Pharma" is being made rich. How is that being done? Show us the  math, because, you are pushing false information again.  The data does not support your claim.

Most children in canada have access to a measles vaccine at no direct cost to the patient.

The government is purchasing the measles vaccine under mass procurement orders, and it is typically CAD$5 or less per dose. The numbers do not support your claim.

- Alberta has approx. 305,000 children aged 1-5. This means that about 61,000 children in any given year are eligible for the vaccine.

- Only 68% of eligible children are fully vaccinated against measles. That's 41,480  children

- The value of the vaccines sold is approx $414,800. Round it up to $500,000

- The vaccine is sold at cost plus a small profit, perhaps 10%

 

Now do tell us how "Big Pharma" is making money off of the  vaccine . How is the approx. $50,000 a big profit?