9 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Not really. The migrants are not coming from countries that were conquered by  the UK.  On the contrary, they come from former Turkish, Italian and French colonial lands.

From 2018 to 2024, citizens of six countries – Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, Albania, Syria,  have made up 70% of those crossing in small boats.The balance comes from places like Turkey, Egypt, Kuwait, Ethiopia, Yemen, Sudan and Somalia.

 

If you want to play the colonial game, at least  get the countries right. This is just France dumping its  garbage in England.

The UK refuses to block the boats  or to send them back. It is very easy. Put them on a boat and drop them off in France where they came from. And if they won't comply sink their boats in the channel and let them swim back to france.

So you think People are Garbage?

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Because France willingly allow the boats to cross and the UK are too weak to act properly.

UK politicians dont have any back bone, theyre weak and pander to outside influence

UK needs a Trump style immigration policy when illegal crossings are down 99%

 

If Britain wouldn't have been so stupid to leave EU they would get joined support to keep illegals outside.

Self inflicted problem. Face it

There are two principal reasons for illegal immigration:

 

1.  It is encouraged by the welcome offered by the British government.  Both short-term welcome on reception and long-term welcome in terms of benefits of residence and acquisition of nationality.
What proportion are genuine refugees and how many are economic migrants?

 

2.  Huge on-going profits are made by the traffickers.

 

Britain has in the past accepted, somewhat grudgingly, and at the immigrants' expense, genuine refugees fleeing persecution, of common loyalties and compatible beliefs.
Such as Huguenots (who brought many new skills to Britain), American loyalists (an estimated 100,000 rejected the insurrection and suffered accordingly), and more recently German Jews, persecuted for their race.

These groups lost substantially both wealth and possessions as result of their displacement from one country to another.  Their lives were threatened.  And they subsequently served Britain in many diverse capacities.

 

The Royal Navy, if it still has a purpose, exists to protect the country from invasion.  An invasion is occurring today, and critical situations call for appropriate measures.
This is a suggestion.  Intercept the boats in British waters, remove all occupants, sink the boats, then land the occupants by landing-craft, undeclared, upon some French beach.
Of course there will be problems of all kinds.  But will they be worse than the massive accumulated problem that is building up in Britain today?

7 hours ago, Purdey said:

Regaining Sovereignty is about not relying on the EU. Now the EU (specifically France) is to blame. 

Britain has the royal navy and its Sovereignty to do whatever it needs to do.

if so, why did they ask France to help, that's not much of a sovereignty is it?

4 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Macron ist right.

The most stupid British decision in this century 

 

Most people in the 1970s wanted to join the common market---it made a lot of sense then, No tariffs just send your goods there.   6 countries , so we joined along with Ireland  Denmark.

But we didn't join to latter be told we should all change our money, or that another 17 countries the majority which had sub standard living wages or Health care---would then be allowed to just walk in--pile up the numbers waiting for health care and take  a lower wage.

 

We didn't vote then to have a 2nd parliament making rules ---or to have  a 2nd high court (E C J) which could over ride the directions of our own supreme court.

If you are American imagine that you did join with Greenland--Canada -Mexico + some other countries -- Just for trade, it then morphed into the same-- a higher court then your own, maybe giving directions that...... well,   maybe all this "Amendments"  are not really needed ---yer not all of them. 

We had some overriding decisions from the EU high court mainly when we wanted to deport someone after their custodial sentence--and we had to abide by them.

 

So... yes the EU -as it was  ie... a trading block was a good idea--what it  morphed into wasn't , hence the majority of the UK population could see this and voted to leave.

 

*** Prior to Brexit, EU law, including decisions of the European Court of Justice (ECJ), had direct effect in the UK and could override conflicting UK law. This was a consequence of the UK's membership in the European Union and its acceptance of EU law supremacy

4 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Macron is wrong.

 

I'll just point out the Sangatte Camps from the late 90 through 2010

 

Whilst the UK was part of the EU.

 

The blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Mutti Merkel with her " Come one come all " followed up by " Come on Europe, we can do this "

 

It started in 2015 under Merkel, a year before the Brexit vote.

it's so easy to deflect to somebody else when we can't justify our own mistakes, why don't blame it on Brexit, it was written allover but the Brits had their eyes closed with so many lies

6 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

it's so easy to deflect to somebody else when we can't justify our own mistakes,

 

No idea why you come to the conclusion that I or others are deflecting.

 

I've ripped British politics for the last 30 years, ripped the mistakes they have made, both Labour and Tory.

 

The Boat invasion across the Channel started in 2018. The Brexit vote took place 2 years earlier.

 

The crux of the problem started in 2015, with motormouth Merkel.

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Because France willingly allow the boats to cross and the UK are too weak to act properly.

UK politicians dont have any back bone, theyre weak and pander to outside influence

UK needs a Trump style immigration policy when illegal crossings are down 99%

 

France is part of the EU thus protecting their own and EU interests, is the UK part of the EU? noooooo, thus nothing can stop France or any other EU member to let the migrants go wherever they want as long it's not EU territories, simple as1,2,3 hope it's not too hard for you to understand

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

France is part of the EU thus protecting their own and EU interests,

 

As I posted upthread

 

France is abrogating is legal responsibilities under SOLAS by allowing these boats to leave French Shores.

 

France is also abrogating is own laws by allowing those same boats to leave French Waters.

 

* Abrogate = Avoid a responsibility or duty

 Cameras filmed 800 migrants crossing in 1 day 98% that cme off the border patrol vessel at Dover were young fighting age from places the UK cannot determine. It was noticed no Woman or kids were in the Boats in the past. This was picked up by the Trafficars so now they put 1 or 2 females and maybe a child in the boats knowing they will be picked up so there not be deflated mid channel or in deeper water. 100% are coming to the UK knowing there put up in Hotels and given money. We even have to cough up thousands of pounds for Translators. Thousands of young men have simply disapeared and there whereabouts unknown, we know Isis and Taliban fighters have entered the UK posing as Migrants simply by removing there beards and wearing western clothes and we fell for it. Lee Anderson a Reform MP summed the french effort to stop the boats leaving french waters saying " We the UK goverment are giving Millions of pounds to the French Government what have they spent some of it on ? a couple of Stanley Knives to slash a boat infront of a TV Crew to make it look like there attempting to stop them. " 

4 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

As I posted upthread

 

France is abrogating is legal responsibilities under SOLAS by allowing these boats to leave French Shores.

 

France is also abrogating is own laws by allowing those same boats to leave French Waters.

 

* Abrogate = Avoid a responsibility or duty

France is a sovereign country they can allow or reject who they want or not in their territory

 

Description: SOLAS is an international maritime treaty that sets minimum safety standards for the construction, equipment, and operation of merchant ships

 

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

France is a sovereign country they can allow or reject who they want or not in their territory

 

But they cannot abrogate their responsibilities under French Law or International Agreements.

 

France should be rounding them up and deporting them, if France does not want them.

6 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Description: SOLAS is an international maritime treaty that sets minimum safety standards for the construction, equipment, and operation of merchant ships

 

 

All sea going vessels, not just ships.

6 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

But they cannot abrogate their responsibilities under French Law or International Agreements.

 

France should be rounding them up and deporting them, if France does not want them.

Where will France deport these too Cyclist ??

Just now, BarraMarra said:

Where will France deport these too Cyclist ??

 

To the moon, for all I care

I think I posted this in a previouse thread but if our PM had a back bone and wanted security for his country he would have told Macron " Listen Emanuel we have given you Millions to prevent these boats leaving your shores you have failed. If you fail to show any response I will now send Our Royal Marines and SBS special forces to your beaches and stop them. 

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

France is part of the EU thus protecting their own and EU interests, is the UK part of the EU? noooooo, thus nothing can stop France or any other EU member to let the migrants go wherever they want as long it's not EU territories, simple as1,2,3 hope it's not too hard for you to understand

That basically what i said without bitching about brexit,. 

UK is lead by weak politicians who are too weak to act properly. A trump style immigration policy is needed.

 

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

If Britain wouldn't have been so stupid to leave EU they would get joined support to keep illegals outside.

Self inflicted problem. Face it

Outside where? France doesnt want them, nobody does.

If more people voted remain, then brexit would have happened, blame your guys for not getting out and voting

6 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Macron is wrong.

 

I'll just point out the Sangatte Camps from the late 90 through 2010

 

Whilst the UK was part of the EU.

 

The blame falls squarely on the shoulders of Mutti Merkel with her " Come one come all " followed up by " Come on Europe, we can do this "

 

It started in 2015 under Merkel, a year before the Brexit vote.

No, Merkel was right. But the other parts of EU, UK in particular, didn't support her ideas.

If you exploit countries over centuries (UK, NL, B, IT, and others) you can't prevent the poor to enter the countries of their oppressors, asking for compensation in many ways.

They can afford a few thousand to the Smugglers though Newbee.

Just now, newbee2022 said:

No, Merkel was right.

 

Merkel was a lunatic.

 

1 minute ago, newbee2022 said:

If you exploit countries over centuries

 

What happened Centuries ago, has no bearing on what is happening today.

 

And that highlights the mentalism that is affecting some.

 

Should never have went into Iraq and Afghanistan was the cry

 

Centuries ago is the cry.

 

Clutching at straws like drowning men trying to excuse it, and justify it it.

 

 

2 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Merkel was a lunatic.

 

 

What happened Centuries ago, has no bearing on what is happening today.

 

And that highlights the mentalism that is affecting some.

 

Should never have went into Iraq and Afghanistan was the cry

 

Centuries ago is the cry.

 

Clutching at straws like drowning men trying to excuse it, and justify it it.

 

 

Pathetic

Just now, newbee2022 said:

Pathetic

 

I know, there are a few pathetic posters lurking about various threads.

 

Face / mirror interface required.

Not Brexit really as Brexit hasn't really being delivered due to spinless politicians. The reason the immies are all coming to the UK is because of the far-left policies and pull factors, which make it so easy for them, and that is not the case in most EU countries. The UK system prioritizes illegal immigrants over our own homeless and veterans etc., which is not just dumb but dangerous in the long run as people will eventually boil over, and we are starting to see signs of that already. The only way to stop the boats is to take away the pull factors and make it less attractive than other places... do a Denmark or Australia, that will work.

The clock is ticking for the UK government to do something meaningful about it or soon Farage will be PM... which might be a good wakeup call for the deluded and lost two traditional parties. Even the far-lefties like Unite union baron types are getting pi$$ed off with Labour, as no-one really knows what they stand for, same goes for the Tories (won't call them conservatives because they aren't).

 

4 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

And why wouldn't they?

 

In the absence of any agreement with the EU, another Brexit bonus (Dublin Regulation III)........Why would the French stop them and make it their problem rather than the UK's

Thats why i said they willingly let them go,

UK has Weak and pathetic politicians

I expect soon to come will be talk of rejoinging the EU and the migrant situation will be used as leverage and all the screaming equally pathetic  remainers will get what they want

2 hours ago, oxo1947 said:

 

Most people in the 1970s wanted to join the common market---it made a lot of sense then, No tariffs just send your goods there.   6 countries , so we joined along with Ireland  Denmark.

But we didn't join to latter be told we should all change our money, or that another 17 countries the majority which had sub standard living wages or Health care---would then be allowed to just walk in--pile up the numbers waiting for health care and take  a lower wage.

 

We didn't vote then to have a 2nd parliament making rules ---or to have  a 2nd high court (E C J) which could over ride the directions of our own supreme court.

If you are American imagine that you did join with Greenland--Canada -Mexico + some other countries -- Just for trade, it then morphed into the same-- a higher court then your own, maybe giving directions that...... well,   maybe all this "Amendments"  are not really needed ---yer not all of them. 

We had some overriding decisions from the EU high court mainly when we wanted to deport someone after their custodial sentence--and we had to abide by them.

 

So... yes the EU -as it was  ie... a trading block was a good idea--what it  morphed into wasn't , hence the majority of the UK population could see this and voted to leave.

 

*** Prior to Brexit, EU law, including decisions of the European Court of Justice (ECJ), had direct effect in the UK and could override conflicting UK law. This was a consequence of the UK's membership in the European Union and its acceptance of EU law supremacy

 

The UK joined the EEC without a referendum after a very marginal vote in Parliament after Heath's Conservatives prompted the process with the European Communities Act. The 1975 referendum (under Labour) was a confirmation YES for continued member ship but with the main implications of joining still not well understood by UK voters. So, unfortunately, we did actually vote then to continue accepting EEC/EU rules, with European Law having primacy over our own. This level of EU control increased but was only slowly realized after years of EEC/EC/EU mutations and treaties.

 

Yes, the EEC was a good idea but only as the "Common Market" that most of the British believed it to be at the time. But, by the Treaty of Rome, it was never going to be just that. People like Macron talk about Brexit lies and such, but they never mention the lies told in 1972 by Heath et al ("no essential loss of sovereignty" (my a$$)).

 

 

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

That basically what i said without bitching about brexit,. 

UK is lead by weak politicians who are too weak to act properly. A trump style immigration policy is needed.

 

Not a Russian one then.....?   🤔

3 hours ago, ericbj said:

This is a suggestion.  Intercept the boats in British waters, remove all occupants, sink the boats, then land the occupants by landing-craft, undeclared, upon some French beach.
Of course there will be problems of all kinds.  But will they be worse than the massive accumulated problem that is building up in Britain today?

 

Yes, this would lead to problems of all kinds and, yes the problems created by doing as you suggest would probably make the illegal migrant problem pale into insignificance.

2 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

But they cannot abrogate their responsibilities under French Law or International Agreements.

 

We've been here before.

 

If the French authorities choose to ignore their own national laws, then there are ways and means for French nationals and residents to complain and hold them to account.

 

If other nations believe that France is breaching international laws and agreements then, in a similar vein, there will be a mechanism to hold the French government to account.

 

2 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

France should be rounding them up and deporting them, if France does not want them.

 

That's exactly what the French authorities are doing 

 

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2025/06/20/french-police-launch-nationwide-crackdown-on-undocumented-migrants_6742532_7.html

2 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

I think I posted this in a previouse thread but if our PM had a back bone and wanted security for his country he would have told Macron " Listen Emanuel we have given you Millions to prevent these boats leaving your shores you have failed. If you fail to show any response I will now send Our Royal Marines and SBS special forces to your beaches and stop them. 

 

And I posted a response in a previous thread: It is a ridiculous suggestion.

 

Invading France as you suggest would have such far-reaching effects, it is unlikely that the UK would recover for decades.