Will the Epstein saga tear MAGA apart?

[spidermike007]

10 minutes ago, KhaoHom said:

 

Right. Yale JD degree. Can't speak. You, master oratory skills.

It is not his ability to be articulate. He is a far better speaker than Trump. It is his utter lack of morality and the stuff he says that is the embarrassment. And of course the historic flip flop for power. 

 

Vance told ABC News in August 2016 that, although Trump successfully “diagnoses the problems” people are facing, he didn’t see Trump “offering many solutions.” In an October 2016 interview with journalist Charlie Rose, Vance said he was a “never-Trump guy.”

 

In another 2016 interview about his book, Vance told a reporter that, although his background would have made him a natural Trump supporter, “the reason, ultimately, that I am not … is because I think that (Trump) is the most-raw expression of a massive finger pointed at other people.”

 

During this period, Vance’s rhetorical style was classically academic—articulate, nuanced, and peppered with caveats. He was also a passionate anti-Trumper. He condemned the former president as “an idiot,” described himself as a “Never Trump guy,” and messaged a friend that he vacillated between thinking that Trump was a “cynical <deleted>” and “America’s Hitler.” 

 

And then his pure lies and fabrications. More moral bankruptcy. 

 

In recently resurfaced remarks during a 2021 Center for Christian Virtue leadership forum, Vance said, in reference to how children are taught in school, “that so many leaders of the left…they’re people without kids trying to brainwash the minds of our children,” adding that this “really disorients me and it really disturbs me.” (He didn’t specify on what grounds.)

 

In an interview with Jim Hoft, the founder of far-right blog the Gateway Pundit, Vance echoed a conspiracy theory pushed by Tucker Carlson, implying that Joe Biden was purposely attempting to flood the heartland with fentanyl to “punish people who didn’t vote for him.” 

 

 

[KhaoHom]

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

It is not his ability to be articulate. He is a far better speaker than Trump. It is his utter lack of morality and the stuff he says that is the embarrassment. And of course the historic flip flop for power. 

 

Vance told ABC News in August 2016 that, although Trump successfully “diagnoses the problems” people are facing, he didn’t see Trump “offering many solutions.” In an October 2016 interview with journalist Charlie Rose, Vance said he was a “never-Trump guy.”

 

In another 2016 interview about his book, Vance told a reporter that, although his background would have made him a natural Trump supporter, “the reason, ultimately, that I am not … is because I think that (Trump) is the most-raw expression of a massive finger pointed at other people.”

 

During this period, Vance’s rhetorical style was classically academic—articulate, nuanced, and peppered with caveats. He was also a passionate anti-Trumper. He condemned the former president as “an idiot,” described himself as a “Never Trump guy,” and messaged a friend that he vacillated between thinking that Trump was a “cynical <deleted>” and “America’s Hitler.” 

 

And then his pure lies and fabrications. More moral bankruptcy. 

 

In recently resurfaced remarks during a 2021 Center for Christian Virtue leadership forum, Vance said, in reference to how children are taught in school, “that so many leaders of the left…they’re people without kids trying to brainwash the minds of our children,” adding that this “really disorients me and it really disturbs me.” (He didn’t specify on what grounds.)

 

In an interview with Jim Hoft, the founder of far-right blog the Gateway Pundit, Vance echoed a conspiracy theory pushed by Tucker Carlson, implying that Joe Biden was purposely attempting to flood the heartland with fentanyl to “punish people who didn’t vote for him.” 

 

 

 

You whine about morality and yet you lifted that entire article without attribution.

 

No one every claimed Trump's oratory skills were his strong point.

 

Nevertheless, he's killing it and it's upsetting you to no end.

 

Morality lol. You're one of the biggest content thieves on this forum. Even your avatar is stolen!! 55555555

[NoMoonLogistics]

I didn't hold too much credence that there was very much in this whole saga. 'Just random political missiles firing over my head.

 

It is Trumps denials that has 100% convinced me otherwise.

 

Anyone who thinks Trumps barrage of BS sounds like the truth is either BS'ing themselves - or an idiot.

 

Silver Lining; "It was the Radical Left wot done it" >> he gets a Political Comedy Alltime Gold Medal for this.

[KhaoHom]

I know many will scoff but Trump's offloading the JE saga has me wondering if he wants to hang Wray, Comey and Hillary (and deservedly so) and he's not going to chance lack of lawyers and or huge emotional clusterfk overwhelming his second term

 

There are only so many good, trusted lawyers in the government to handle the suits.

 

I'm wondering if he's made a decision to not deal with Epstein nonsense and continue to go after his sworn adversaries?

 

Pethaps after these cases are closed and Trump is lame duck you might see action.

 

As I posted earlier... JE is known money launderer. Alex Acosta stated he was *intelligence*

 

All the wired rooms I think we're just part of his freelance intelligence operation linked to money laundering

 

He's definitely very wrapped up in high profile Israel supporters.

 

I don't think there are many caught up in any sting as I'm sure the word would get out he's a blackmailer.

 

Seems like in US it's half / dozen of the same faces proprted *victims*

 

The island is a mystery

 

 

Wonder when Maxwell will file appeal 555

[b17]

15 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Thank you for that reply, it's always nice to see a voice of reason in the wilderness of delusion and highly defensive, and bombastic replies without any offer of an argument. Just defend, defend, defend. Even though he's stepped over line so many times he doesn't deserve a defense. 

 

Did he get with girls of a statutory age? Well it's quite likely. Will we ever have proof, while he is still living? I doubt it. I'm pretty sure he did and I think there's a good reason why he's putting such a substantial amount of effort into keeping that list hidden. 

 

 

I find it incredible that there are so many people on this forum who are so obviously willing to accept OBVIOUS  lies. To my mind, if Trump is so perfect and innocent as some of his "flock" appear to feel, how can they accept all this gaslighting about this situation? There is a mountain of evidence in the form of video tapes, sound recordings, wired mansions, etc that implicates Epstein and his special "clients" ,..none of which has been released to the public. I could care less if people on both sides of the political divide are implicated, for I hate the idea of pedophilia and think anyone involved in it should be chemically castrated. People who exploit children sexually are the bottom of the pond scum of society, and the seeming willingness of some Trump supporters to look the other way is beneath contempt.

 

Release all related information to the public, and let the chips land where they will I say!~

[sharot724]

1 hour ago, KhaoHom said:

I know many will scoff but Trump's offloading the JE saga has me wondering if he wants to hang Wray, Comey and Hillary (and deservedly so) and he's not going to chance lack of lawyers and or huge emotional clusterfk overwhelming his second term

 

There are only so many good, trusted lawyers in the government to handle the suits.

 

I'm wondering if he's made a decision to not deal with Epstein nonsense and continue to go after his sworn adversaries?

 

Pethaps after these cases are closed and Trump is lame duck you might see action.

 

As I posted earlier... JE is known money launderer. Alex Acosta stated he was *intelligence*

 

All the wired rooms I think we're just part of his freelance intelligence operation linked to money laundering

 

He's definitely very wrapped up in high profile Israel supporters.

 

I don't think there are many caught up in any sting as I'm sure the word would get out he's a blackmailer.

 

Seems like in US it's half / dozen of the same faces proprted *victims*

 

The island is a mystery

 

 

Wonder when Maxwell will file appeal 555

Time is important so let us charge Obama, Wray, Comey and Hillary now!

[KhaoHom]

7 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

Time is important so let us charge Obama, Wray, Comey and Hillary now!

 

I'm certain it's personal and why wouldn't it be?

 

Epstein is dead. Maxwell in prison. *Victims* are seeking restitution. the story is decades old I think people forget this.

 

This is not to say that I wouldn't want to see that dirty list and who might be on those videotapes. But all this misses the point and that is the real story is his involvement with the CIA and money laundering and that's why Trump doesn't want to mess with it.

 

It's basically a name and shame and another outing of CIA skullduggery - because when it comes out that he is laundering money for the CIA the question is what for? Flashback 70s?? All of this is a total clusterfoc for Trump and will embroil his administration in this quicksand for the balance of his time in office. In fact, Washington is so slow and cumbersome that it might even lapse into the Vance administration.

 

But Trump has a chance to get even with the people that set upon him with the American legal system and attempted to ruin his life in jail him forever. I certainly understand where he might be coming from if this is indeed the case.

[HappyExpat57]

If all this stuff actually HAD been contrived by his political enemies, don't you think he'd be posting on that media shite of his?

 

I mean come ON, MAGA, please, just for once, TRY and look at the illogic of it all.

[sharot724]

30 minutes ago, KhaoHom said:

 

I'm certain it's personal and why wouldn't it be?

 

Epstein is dead. Maxwell in prison. *Victims* are seeking restitution. the story is decades old I think people forget this.

 

This is not to say that I wouldn't want to see that dirty list and who might be on those videotapes. But all this misses the point and that is the real story is his involvement with the CIA and money laundering and that's why Trump doesn't want to mess with it.

 

It's basically a name and shame and another outing of CIA skullduggery - because when it comes out that he is laundering money for the CIA the question is what for? Flashback 70s?? All of this is a total clusterfoc for Trump and will embroil his administration in this quicksand for the balance of his time in office. In fact, Washington is so slow and cumbersome that it might even lapse into the Vance administration.

 

But Trump has a chance to get even with the people that set upon him with the American legal system and attempted to ruin his life in jail him forever. I certainly understand where he might be coming from if this is indeed the case.

Do yourself a favor and get back to the subject, please.

Your Master Fool has made his claim and you and I agree it is time to hold those accountable responsible. 

To refresh your faded memory here is whom he claims are responsible!

 

US President Donald Trump on Tuesday claimed that the Jeffrey Epstein Files were 'made up' by his democratic predecessors. In his latest remarks mid the row over the disgraced financier's case, Trump stated that the files were made up by former presidents Obama, Joe Biden and former FBI director James Comey as part of a smear campaign against him.

 

 

[HappyExpat57]

2 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

Do yourself a favor and get back to the subject, please.

Your Master Fool has made his claim and you and I agree it is time to hold those accountable responsible. 

To refresh your faded memory here is whom he claims are responsible!

 

US President Donald Trump on Tuesday claimed that the Jeffrey Epstein Files were 'made up' by his democratic predecessors. In his latest remarks mid the row over the disgraced financier's case, Trump stated that the files were made up by former presidents Obama, Joe Biden and former FBI director James Comey as part of a smear campaign against him.

 

 

As I posted just above yours, if this were true, that fool would be screaming like a raped ape and having it published from every corner of the world.

[illisdean]

On it goes. Bout time for something Epstein related to pop in a big way, 

 

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, illisdean said:

On it goes. Bout time for something Epstein related to pop in a big way, 

 

 

 Who takes any notice of that bloke.........🤣

 

Oh, probably you...............🤭

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, NoMoonLogistics said:

I didn't hold too much credence that there was very much in this whole saga. 'Just random political missiles firing over my head.

 

It is Trumps denials that has 100% convinced me otherwise.

 

Anyone who thinks Trumps barrage of BS sounds like the truth is either BS'ing themselves - or an idiot.

 

Silver Lining; "It was the Radical Left wot done it" >> he gets a Political Comedy Alltime Gold Medal for this.

Remember when Clinton kept on saying he did not have sex with that woman? Had he just admitted it at that point it would have just gone away. I don't know if this would go away if Trump admitted it, but his continuous and very, very lame denials is definitely creating a tempest. 

[Stiddle Mump]

10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Remember when Clinton kept on saying he did not have sex with that woman? Had he just admitted it at that point it would have just gone away. I don't know if this would go away if Trump admitted it, but his continuous and very, very lame denials is definitely creating a tempest. 

I don't think Bill was not telling the truth. He always chose his words carefully.

 

''I did not have a sexual relationship with that woman.''

 

He just got a BJ. That's not having a 'relationship. Just an sexual encounter.

 

However, she stated that they had up to 10 encounters. No penetrations though, so they don't count to the tally. Her deeds led to a new item in the relationship world. Everyone knew what having a 'Monica' was.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I don't think Bill was not telling the truth. He always chose his words carefully.

 

''I did not have a sexual relationship with that woman.''

 

He just got a BJ. That's not having a 'relationship. Just an sexual encounter.

 

However, she stated that they had up to 10 encounters. No penetrations though, so they don't count to the tally. Her deeds led to a new item in the relationship world. Everyone knew what having a 'Monica' was.

Oh, dear, a rather feeble excuse, very similar to your anti-vax stuff........

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I don't think Bill was not telling the truth. He always chose his words carefully.

 

''I did not have a sexual relationship with that woman.''

 

He just got a BJ. That's not having a 'relationship. Just an sexual encounter.

 

However, she stated that they had up to 10 encounters. No penetrations though, so they don't count to the tally. Her deeds led to a new item in the relationship world. Everyone knew what having a 'Monica' was.

It was pure stupidity attempting to use legal language to fool the American public, trying to insinuate that a BJ is not sex is pretty ridiculous. Sure I wasn't a relationship, but it was sex.

 

Had he just simply said I got blown, I get blown a lot, men in my position always get blown, the whole thing would have just "blown over ". 

 

The same applies to the Goon, if he just admits that the list exists this problem might resolve itself, but his denials are the equivalent of shooting himself in the foot, which he is very, very skilled at. 

 

 

[spidermike007]

They ran on conspiracy theories, appointed people who spent all their time creating and stoking conspiracy theories, including Patel, including Bondi, including lying about the 2020 election, and now their conspiracy theories are biting them in the butt, because this whole Epstein thing is incriminating to the king. He will not stop saying whatever serves his followers, we saw him do that throughout the election cycle, which said I will tell you what I think you want to hear, I will not stop lying, I will not stop saying whatever serves my viewpoints, and then I will shift, if it benefits me to shift.

 

This is the non-transparency group, this is the administration that says don't believe you're eyes, we're not going to actually tell you the truth, we're pulling data off our websites, we're actually making sure we can spin whatever story we want and never be accountable to you. And by the way we will flood the zone with federal agents, we will put them in masks and we will have them refuse to even identify who they are, but no we're the transparency administration, we're going to get the Deep State.

 

No, this is the Deep State, Trump has become the Deep state, they're refusal to be transparent and follow through on promises to their base is exactly why this is coming home to roost and becoming such a huge problem for Mr. Huuuge. 

 

 

[JAG]

On 7/15/2025 at 6:32 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Many thought the Epstein scandal would destroy Trump, few foresaw Trump using  the Epstein scandal to destroy Trump.

 

Grandstanding the Epstein files in a political campaign.

Promising to release them as an election pledge of transparency.

The head of the DOJ stating on the primary news source for MAGA that the files ‘are sitting on my desk’.

Then announcing the files don’t exist.

Followed shortly by issuing a statement that the files (that don’t exist) were created by Obama and Clinton.

Wrapping up with ‘move on, there’s nothing to see here’

Followed almost immediately by constant whining about the Epstein files.

 

I can’t recall any President engaging in such unforced self harm.

 

That he finished his bizarre Epstein missive blaming Obama and Clinton with the entirely superfluous ‘Thank you for your attention to this matter’ was like the icing on the cake.

 

The Emperor has no clothes!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rather like the teenage girls in the beauty pageant dressing rooms he "just happened to wander into"!

 

Let's face it, the fellow is an  Ephebophile, who is very nervous that the extent of his enthusiasms is about to become revealed.

 

Put more crudely, he is a "nonce" who is <deleted>ting bricks 'cos he is about to be found out!

[JAG]

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

becoming such a huge problem for Mr. Huuuge. 

I understand that it was established in court about a year ago that he was anything but huuuge!😊

[Schoggibueb]

Enjoy...

 

 

 

[spidermike007]

Trump appears to be turning on his own supporters, who have the audacity to question Bondi’s handling of this fiasco. He seems to be overwhelmed that this will not just go away. And his nonsense seems to be fueling the fire and discontent on the right. 

 

Their new SCAM is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax, and my PAST supporters have bought into this “bull——,” hook, line, and sinker,” Trump wrote Wednesday on his Truth Social site, using an expletive in his post. “They haven’t learned their lesson, and probably never will, even after being conned by the Lunatic Left for 8 long years.”

 

“Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work,” he wrote, “don’t even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don’t want their support anymore!”

In doing so, Mr. Trump turned to an old playbook: attempting to reframe politically unfavorable issues as the work of Democrats and his political opponents.

Far-right conspiracy theorist and podcaster Alex Jones called Trump’s handling of the Epstein situation “the biggest train wreck I’ve ever seen.” It’s not in character for you to be acting like this,” he said in a video reacting to Trump on Tuesday evening calling the case boring. “I support you, but we built the movement you rode in on. You’re not the movement. You just surfed in on it.”

 

His problem? That nothing-to-see-here approach doesn’t work for those who’ve learned from him they must not give up until the government’s deepest, darkest secrets are exposed.

 

Last week, the Justice Department and the FBI abruptly walked back the notion there’s an Epstein client list of elites who participated in the wealthy New York financier’s trafficking of underage girls. Trump quickly defended Attorney General Pam Bondi and chided a reporter for daring to ask about the documents.

 

Mr. Trump also claimed that outrage over the Justice Department’s decision to not release additional information and close the investigation was just the latest “scam” cooked up by Democrats.

 

But the discontent over the Trump administration’s handling of the so-called Epstein files has stemmed from the right, and Democrats merely joined the fray after seeing a splintering of Mr. Trump’s MAGA supporters, many of whom feel betrayed.

The post also highlights Mr. Trump’s longstanding belief that he can convince his followers of nearly anything without losing their support.

 

“I don’t understand why the Jeffrey Epstein case would be of interest to anybody.” he said.

Because you made such a big deal about it during your campaign, you blazing nitwit, that's why. 

[Hummin]

One story about Epstein 

 

 

 

[spidermike007]

14 hours ago, JAG said:

I understand that it was established in court about a year ago that he was anything but huuuge!😊

I think you are referring to the three inch mushroom. That was a few years back and it was from Stormy Daniels rather graphic description, having explained that it was the strangest organ she had ever seen. No wonder he is so insecure! 

[Harrisfan]

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I think you are referring to the three inch mushroom. That was a few years back and it was from Stormy Daniels rather graphic description, having explained that it was the strangest organ she had ever seen. No wonder he is so insecure! 

Is that why you talk about him all day long?

[lamyai3]

14 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I think you are referring to the three inch mushroom. That was a few years back and it was from Stormy Daniels rather graphic description, having explained that it was the strangest organ she had ever seen. No wonder he is so insecure! 

 

 "Is it true sir," West Palm Beach lawyer Spencer Kuvin asked Epstein, "that you have what's been described as an egg-shaped penis?"

[mania]

On 7/14/2025 at 2:03 AM, spidermike007 said:

they both had an attraction toward very young gals. Just how young, Don? 

 

 

555 talk about "Pot calling the kettle black" 

Someone looking back in your posts would ask if your having a laugh

[bubblegum]

Ooohhhh MAGA Trump does not want you anymore. Now what?

[sharot724]

Trump caling out some maga for being weak. What an oximoron

[madone]

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Will the Epstein saga tear MAGA apart?

one can only hope. 

the only thing that is clear so far is that Trump is running roughshod over everything America is supposed to stand for and there is no one in goverment who offers any real opposition.  

[JAG]

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

One story about Epstein 

 

 

 

In his defence, Epstein didn't wear a <deleted> silly hat!

 

There are many things to be said about Epstein, his antics and those who visited him there. Some proven, in the public domain, some alleged, and it would appear some the subject of an energetic cover up operation. Of all the facts and rumours swirling around, now they

are joined by the rantings of this failed politician turned shock jockey!

 

If Jesus Christ himself returns, Gorgeous George Galloway will produce conclusive proof that he is a Mossad agent, and has been since AD 33!

 

He should have stuck to mincing around the set of "Big Brother" in a cat costume meowing - it was the most sense he has ever made!