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LLMs, GIGO, Idiocy, Inaccuracy, Epistemology and Entropy: No more Truth?

 

Dear Folks,

 

Are we now living through the final days of reality, the historic days of empiricism, and the End of Truth?

 

Here is what I mean:

 

Aa.  Our LLMs are being trained on the idiocy of what can be discovered on the internet, and the intertubes.

 

We all know about Garbage in and Garbage out, GIGO. 

 

But, do our most powerful LLMs and AIs know about GIGO, and do they even care?

 

BB.  We can easily see, just from interacting with an AI, that AIs do not really care, since they cannot care, not being human, what is real, what is right, what is TRUE…..

 

CC.  If you have been using the best AIs available today, you will know that the garbage they spit out is inaccurate.

 

And, is there any higher power willing to fact check the AIs?

What about the Church of God?

No, God does not care.

 

Therefore, who checks the LLMs, the AIs, of today?

Nobody is checking.

They cannot check.

 

Sammy Boy does not care, obviously.

Sammy Boy is a nitwit who does not understand the technology he is selling.

Just as a used-car salesman does not understand how to build a car, Sammy knows very little.

This is TRUE, if not much else is true about his OpenAI.

 

DD.  And what about this failure, these days, to respect Epistemology?

 

How do we know what is true, and does anybody care?

 

EE. And, what about Entropy and Truth?

 

Are we witnessing the impact of the Second Law of Thermodynamics on Truth, itself, due to faith in LLMs and AI, and the inescapable fact of ENTROPY in the AI systems?

 

FF.  I am only saying that, the more one uses the AIs now available, the easier it is to see that Truth is becoming less important.  And, in fact, the seeking of Truth is impossible for a machine which is not rewarded for seeking truth, and punished for “unintentional” obfuscation.

 

GG. It is not just Sammy who does not care about Truth. It is the very nature of the way AIs are trained which creates the loss and degradation of Truth.  This degradation in what we once held to be valid information, knowledge, and the fidelity of information can degrade, over time, due to Entropy.

 

HH.  So, what can we do about this?

 

When I talk to people, I hear nothing but gushing over the use of AIs, and many fools actually pay to use these machines.

 

The main problem, I think, is that there is a general and pervasive misunderstanding about the very nature of machines, at least the machines we have created.

 

II.  In conclusion:

 

Dear Folks, in conclusion I am not worried about this. I am only the observer reporting on this.

 

Does anybody care?

 

Such a rabbit hole we are now falling through.

Some might even call this rabbit hole a BLACK HOLE, into which we have been sucked, due to our own ignorance and apathy.

 

I am not sure just how much longer we can continue this way, not without losing our minds.

Humans can only tolerate so much before they rebel.
We have seen this over, and over, from time immemorial.

 

What do you think will happen, soon….????

 

Best regards,

Gamma

 

Note:  Somebody must be willing to become the Keeper of the Truth…..

 

 

 

Posted

AI is riddled with inconsistencies and inaccurate information.

 

It has one thing right. When I asked several AI's whether they could beat the laws of thermodynamics, they uniformly said they could not.

 

How can this thread be popular in the pub with only one response?

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

AI is riddled with inconsistencies and inaccurate information.

 

It has one thing right. When I asked several AI's whether they could beat the laws of thermodynamics, they uniformly said they could not.

 

How can this thread be popular in the pub with only one response?

 

You must have studied computer algorithms when you were young.

This is more about prediction and marketing, and forum dynamics, meaning any forum which runs off the same software.

This is my guess.

Posted
25 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

AI is riddled with inconsistencies and inaccurate information.

 

It has one thing right. When I asked several AI's whether they could beat the laws of thermodynamics, they uniformly said they could not.

 

How can this thread be popular in the pub with only one response?

 

You are correct, of course, that using an AI, such as Gemini 2.5 Pro, we are constantly being blasted by inaccuracies and misinformation.

 

And, it seems obvious that there is, so far, NO GOOD WAY for any company to correct these inaccuracies, given the technology that is available, so far.

 

Perhaps these AIs are not designed to be search engines, such as what Google Search was, over a decade ago.

 

Who keeps the truth, these days....can you tell me, Sir?

 

In order to use an AI, and to ask a question, one must already know the correct answer, or be able to discriminate between a correct answer and a bogus answer.

 

BUT, do young people, today, who are using these machines everyday, have the knowledge to know what is correct and what is false?

 

And, I say unto you, Sir:  Is this just another example of Entropy in action?

Because, it requires Energy from outside the "Ai System" to fight Entropy.....

 

The machines are trained on inaccurate data found on the internet, as well as other places.

So then, what would you expect the result to be, the response to be, to almost any prompt we submit?

 

Even if the data on the internet were completely valid YESTERDAY, then what about tomorrow?

We know that knowledge and Truth is always being updated, based on work done by scientists.

How can a machine make the judgement of what truths on the internet are true, and those that are blatantly false?

 

This is the conundrum which now faces MANKIND and so-called Humanity.

IF, that is, we can even consider Humanity of Today to be HUMAN....!!!!!!

Something which I am beginning to doubt, and believe might be a false assumption.

 

You see what I am driving at, Sir, I do believe.....

 

We are stuck between a rock and a hard place with this idea that we can create a machine which will spit out TRUTH.....

 

Such a fools game, it TRULY is....unfortunately.....

 

I just wish we had a REAL Oracle, for something.....

 

Also, Larry Ellison is one of my hero's...

Just for being such a non-human in his personal life.

 

But, a True Oracle is what is needed today....

 

Don't you think?

 

 

Posted

Information of AI used on the internet is nothing but a crutch, folks are more and more forgetting that they have a brain and further loosing their ability to use it at its full potential. Quite noticeable here on this forum, it just gets dumber by the day.

Posted
1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

LLMs, GIGO, Idiocy, Inaccuracy, Epistemology and Entropy: No more Truth?

 

Dear Folks,

 

Are we now living through the final days of reality, the historic days of empiricism, and the End of Truth?

 

Here is what I mean:

 

Aa.  Our LLMs are being trained on the idiocy of what can be discovered on the internet, and the intertubes.

 

We all know about Garbage in and Garbage out, GIGO. 

 

But, do our most powerful LLMs and AIs know about GIGO, and do they even care?

 

BB.  We can easily see, just from interacting with an AI, that AIs do not really care, since they cannot care, not being human, what is real, what is right, what is TRUE…..

 

CC.  If you have been using the best AIs available today, you will know that the garbage they spit out is inaccurate.

 

And, is there any higher power willing to fact check the AIs?

What about the Church of God?

No, God does not care.

 

Therefore, who checks the LLMs, the AIs, of today?

Nobody is checking.

They cannot check.

 

Sammy Boy does not care, obviously.

Sammy Boy is a nitwit who does not understand the technology he is selling.

Just as a used-car salesman does not understand how to build a car, Sammy knows very little.

This is TRUE, if not much else is true about his OpenAI.

 

DD.  And what about this failure, these days, to respect Epistemology?

 

How do we know what is true, and does anybody care?

 

EE. And, what about Entropy and Truth?

 

Are we witnessing the impact of the Second Law of Thermodynamics on Truth, itself, due to faith in LLMs and AI, and the inescapable fact of ENTROPY in the AI systems?

 

FF.  I am only saying that, the more one uses the AIs now available, the easier it is to see that Truth is becoming less important.  And, in fact, the seeking of Truth is impossible for a machine which is not rewarded for seeking truth, and punished for “unintentional” obfuscation.

 

GG. It is not just Sammy who does not care about Truth. It is the very nature of the way AIs are trained which creates the loss and degradation of Truth.  This degradation in what we once held to be valid information, knowledge, and the fidelity of information can degrade, over time, due to Entropy.

 

HH.  So, what can we do about this?

 

When I talk to people, I hear nothing but gushing over the use of AIs, and many fools actually pay to use these machines.

 

The main problem, I think, is that there is a general and pervasive misunderstanding about the very nature of machines, at least the machines we have created.

 

II.  In conclusion:

 

Dear Folks, in conclusion I am not worried about this. I am only the observer reporting on this.

 

Does anybody care?

 

Such a rabbit hole we are now falling through.

Some might even call this rabbit hole a BLACK HOLE, into which we have been sucked, due to our own ignorance and apathy.

 

I am not sure just how much longer we can continue this way, not without losing our minds.

Humans can only tolerate so much before they rebel.
We have seen this over, and over, from time immemorial.

 

What do you think will happen, soon….????

 

Best regards,

Gamma

 

Note:  Somebody must be willing to become the Keeper of the Truth…..

 

 

 

LLM?  Sammy Boy? Come on GG, tell us all the real truth.

Posted
56 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

ou must have studied computer algorithms when you were young.

No, when I was young, playing guitar, boozing, weed, and shagging were more important (or even known what algorhithms,  meant).  Is it AlgorHythm or AlgorIthm. ?

Posted
44 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

 

 

Even if the data on the internet were completely valid YESTERDAY, then what about tomorrow?

We know that knowledge and Truth is always being updated, based on work done by scientists.

 

 

 

The keepers of our truths are scientists, engineers and the medical profession.

 

The promoters of falsehoods are lawyers and accountants. 

 

Then there are the ratbags, who have a voice on social media they never had before the internet.

 

We are simply outnumbered.

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Coincidentally, I was using ChatGPT-5 today and asked a simple question — but instead of a direct answer, I got detours, bias by omission, and even a flat-out wrong response.
 

When I asked how to get the truth, the consensus was to fact-check its fact-checking with Gemini.
That turned out to be pointless — Gemini gave me almost the exact same answer.
 

I then tried Perplexity, which — unlike the other two — cut straight to a logical, correct, and direct answer.
 

These days, it’s often easier, faster, and more accurate just to Google — but that opens its own can of worms, because “doing your own research” can easily become Googling until you land on something that fits your own bias.
 

Algorithms and Nassi–Schneiderman were old logic friends who never lied to me — something most of today’s AIs can’t claim.

Posted
1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Then there are the ratbags, who have a voice on social media they never had before the internet.

 

Never a truer word has been spoken.

So...
You and I do agree on this.

 

Posted
58 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

That interviewer has almost ZERO advanced education.

 

He is CLUELESS about science.

 

Truly has had almost ZERO science-based education.

So, he might be popular, but he is a fool, or...about as smart as anyone without a good grounding, and a great education in Science.

 

He is a good example of what is wrong with social media.

 

We are going to the dogs, fast.

And, he is just one of the dogs that is leading the  pack.

 

But, he is too dumb to know what he does not know.

 

 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

That interviewer has almost ZERO advanced education.

 

He is CLUELESS about science.

 

Truly has had almost ZERO science-based education.

So, he might be popular, but he is a fool, or...about as smart as anyone without a good grounding, and a great education in Science.

 

He is a good example of what is wrong with social media.

 

We are going to the dogs, fast.

And, he is just one of the dogs that is leading the  pack.

 

But, he is too dumb to know what he does not know.

 

 

 

Good thing I tuned in for Mo then. Maybe be positive about some things instead of always negative. You may feel better for a change. Sheez.

Posted
1 hour ago, blaze master said:

Good thing I tuned in for Mo then.

 

I think you meant Moe, and not Mo....

 

The interviewer on the CEO YouTube channel is about as smart as Moe, only less savvy about Science.

 

IF you do not believe me, then just have a listen.....

 

You cannot make a Scientist out of a Sow's Ear....

image.png.694e202c5ec618c28ca1d00ca30c2377.png

 

Fortunately, most on YouTube do not know the difference between a Sow's Ear and a Natural Scientist....

 

And, anything VERY DUMBED DOWN, presented by someone like this guy, who knows NOTHING about science....

Goes over very well with dummies....

 

Still, Moe must have been smarter than this DOAC Fellow......

 

 

 

Posted
4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

I think you meant Moe, and not Mo....

 

The interviewer on the CEO YouTube channel is about as smart as Moe, only less savvy about Science.

 

IF you do not believe me, then just have a listen.....

 

You cannot make a Scientist out of a Sow's Ear....

image.png.694e202c5ec618c28ca1d00ca30c2377.png

 

Fortunately, most on YouTube do not know the difference between a Sow's Ear and a Natural Scientist....

 

And, anything VERY DUMBED DOWN, presented by someone like this guy, who knows NOTHING about science....

Goes over very well with dummies....

 

Still, Moe must have been smarter than this DOAC Fellow......

 

 

 

 

Yawn. You're so smart yet so dumb. Stop being so scared of what's coming for you. You know it.is yet you continue to run. Embrace it and connection.

 

Stop isolating yourself.

Posted
2 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

Yawn. You're so smart yet so dumb. Stop being so scared of what's coming for you. You know it.is yet you continue to run. Embrace it and connection.

 

Stop isolating yourself.

 

I do not fear the inevitable, if that is what you are intimating....

NO WAY.

 

I welcome the future.

 

The future cannot arrive fast enough for me.

 

Posted
Just now, GammaGlobulin said:

 

I do not fear the inevitable, if that is what you are intimating....

NO WAY.

 

I welcome the future.

 

The future cannot arrive fast enough for me.

 

 

For you its darkness. For me ill get to live what you so yearn for.

 

I get why you are so angry. Just a little too late to live all that you desire to see. 

 

You need a hug. 

Posted
17 minutes ago, blaze master said:

 

For you its darkness. For me ill get to live what you so yearn for.

 

I get why you are so angry. Just a little too late to live all that you desire to see. 

 

You need a hug. 

 

Speaking of the Darkness of Love....

 

Nobody does darkness of love better than the Kinks....

 

Dig the Dark Glasses....

 

 

Posted
25 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Yawn.

 

Yawn?

 

Why are you yawning?

 

What do you have to yawn about, if you see such a bright future for Mankind?

 

Posted
2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Yawn?

 

Why are you yawning?

 

What do you have to yawn about, if you see such a bright future for Mankind?

 

 

Who said I see such a bright future for mankind. I can create a bright future for myself no matter the path......

 

SAY! IN THE DARK? HERE IN THE DARK!

WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, IN THE DARK?

 

I WOULD NOT, COULD NOT, IN THE DARK

 

 

Posted
Just now, blaze master said:

 

Who said I see such a bright future for mankind. I can create a bright future for myself no matter the path......

 

SAY! IN THE DARK? HERE IN THE DARK!

WOULD YOU, COULD YOU, IN THE DARK?

 

I WOULD NOT, COULD NOT, IN THE DARK

 

 

 

Nobody who is anybody does it in the dark.

 

And, for that matter...

 

Nobody does it missionary style.

 

 

Posted
3 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Nobody who is anybody does it in the dark.

 

And, for that matter...

 

Nobody does it missionary style.

 

 

 

My missionary work is more than adequate. Actions speak louder than missions. 

Posted
18 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Or, are you just losing the thread?

To paraphrase a religious quote:

It's easier to thread a camel through the eye of a needle than understand this cr..p

Posted
7 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Listen to this guy if you want to know where AI and other LLMs are probably going and what might happen.

Andre Kaarpov 

https://www.youtube.com/@AndrejKarpathy/videos

 

 

OK.

Thank you.

I will definitely listen.

But, not this evening.

Later....

And, thank you.

Never heard of the guy.

 

Note:  I will definitely listen.  Thank you for the link.  Tesla/Stanford/U.Toronto...etc....

 

 

 

Posted
On 8/11/2025 at 5:31 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

LLMs, GIGO, Idiocy, Inaccuracy, Epistemology and Entropy: No more Truth?

 

Dear Folks,

 

Are we now living through the final days of reality, the historic days of empiricism, and the End of Truth?

 

Here is what I mean:

 

Aa.  Our LLMs are being trained on the idiocy of what can be discovered on the internet, and the intertubes.

 

We all know about Garbage in and Garbage out, GIGO. 

 

But, do our most powerful LLMs and AIs know about GIGO, and do they even care?

 

BB.  We can easily see, just from interacting with an AI, that AIs do not really care, since they cannot care, not being human, what is real, what is right, what is TRUE…..

 

CC.  If you have been using the best AIs available today, you will know that the garbage they spit out is inaccurate.

 

And, is there any higher power willing to fact check the AIs?

What about the Church of God?

No, God does not care.

 

Therefore, who checks the LLMs, the AIs, of today?

Nobody is checking.

They cannot check.

 

Sammy Boy does not care, obviously.

Sammy Boy is a nitwit who does not understand the technology he is selling.

Just as a used-car salesman does not understand how to build a car, Sammy knows very little.

This is TRUE, if not much else is true about his OpenAI.

 

DD.  And what about this failure, these days, to respect Epistemology?

 

How do we know what is true, and does anybody care?

 

EE. And, what about Entropy and Truth?

 

Are we witnessing the impact of the Second Law of Thermodynamics on Truth, itself, due to faith in LLMs and AI, and the inescapable fact of ENTROPY in the AI systems?

 

FF.  I am only saying that, the more one uses the AIs now available, the easier it is to see that Truth is becoming less important.  And, in fact, the seeking of Truth is impossible for a machine which is not rewarded for seeking truth, and punished for “unintentional” obfuscation.

 

GG. It is not just Sammy who does not care about Truth. It is the very nature of the way AIs are trained which creates the loss and degradation of Truth.  This degradation in what we once held to be valid information, knowledge, and the fidelity of information can degrade, over time, due to Entropy.

 

HH.  So, what can we do about this?

 

When I talk to people, I hear nothing but gushing over the use of AIs, and many fools actually pay to use these machines.

 

The main problem, I think, is that there is a general and pervasive misunderstanding about the very nature of machines, at least the machines we have created.

 

II.  In conclusion:

 

Dear Folks, in conclusion I am not worried about this. I am only the observer reporting on this.

 

Does anybody care?

 

Such a rabbit hole we are now falling through.

Some might even call this rabbit hole a BLACK HOLE, into which we have been sucked, due to our own ignorance and apathy.

 

I am not sure just how much longer we can continue this way, not without losing our minds.

Humans can only tolerate so much before they rebel.
We have seen this over, and over, from time immemorial.

 

What do you think will happen, soon….????

 

Best regards,

Gamma

 

Note:  Somebody must be willing to become the Keeper of the Truth…..

 

 

 

AI = highly sophisticated statistical vomit parrot.

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