The slow moving coup in the USA

[dinsdale]

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The EU, Canada and Mexico now have policies of containment directed at America.

Such as? Complete tripe as per usual. 

[Mike_Hunt]

1 minute ago, ronnie50 said:

Reagan was the wrecking ball that ruined the lower middle class and their aspirations, killed the unions with their health care and pensions,

This is bull<deleted>. 

 

Unions were on the decline as manufacturing started to leave in the 70's.  

[cjinchiangrai]

5 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

This is bull<deleted>. 

 

Unions were on the decline as manufacturing started to leave in the 70's.  

Reagan was the financier that provided the capital to move American manufacturing to Asia and walk away from the workers and the unions. Try  real history instead of trickle down lies.

[ronnie50]

9 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Unions were on the decline as manufacturing started to leave in the 70's.  

Some manufacturing might well have left the US in the '70s. I mean you could point to the US-Canadian Auto Pact as an example, but the real exit of manufacturing and globalization started in the early 1980s when Reagan was president and union decline was earmarked by his deliberate attack on unions, most notably firing all of the country's unionized air traffic controllers - something the country still hasn't fully recovered from some 40+ years later. Ironically, Reagan was a Union chief himself at one time (Actors' Guild I think it was called).

[Lacessit]

28 minutes ago, uncletiger said:

We were all told exactly what was going to happen back in 2017. Some simply chose not to believe, or to think that this war against the globalist criminal syndicate wasn't real because the TV man said it was a "conspiracy theory".

 

Yes. The military is going to be used to arrest the globalists and the criminal collaborators and politicians who have been subverting and infiltrating the US government for at least the last 5 decades. When both the legislative and judicial branch are compromised, the military is the only way. No, it's not a coup. It is the military being used exactly as they were intended. Exactly as Lincoln used them. To defend the US from foreign and domestic enemies who have subverted the Constitution.

 

You can believe Trump is the problem if it makes you feel good. But many of us have been waiting patiently for the net on this sting operation to close for 8 years. It is good that the disclosure phase of this espionage war is finally arriving. And yes, Trump, as CiC of the military, has been in charge this entire time. Including during the 4 years when the Biden regime belligerently occupied the USA, after illegally seizing control through a fraudulent election and invading DC in his private plane.

 

I will say it again. NOT  A  COUP. Liberation. I thank the US military for honoring their oaths to defend the Constitution and undertaking the coming operation.

Biden was elected with a popular vote that exceeded Trump's by 7 million.

 

You badly need counseling to deprogram yourself.

[ronnie50]

2 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Reagan was the financier that provided the capital to move American manufacturing to Asia and walk away from the workers and the unions. Try  real history instead of trickle down lies.

Exactly. And his 'useful academic idiot' was U of Chicago's Milton Friedman, who argued for much less government and advocated for the so-called 'trickle down effect' - where rich capitalists create a greater domestic economy (even though it was moving to Asia) and that wealth 'trickles down' to all workers. Which, as we know, is indeed bull <deleted>.

[Mike_Hunt]

8 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

Some manufacturing might well have left the US in the '70s. I mean you could point to the US-Canadian Auto Pact as an example, but the real exit of manufacturing nad globalization started in the early 1980s when Reagan was president and union decline was earmarked by his deliberate attack on unions, most notably firing all of the country's unionized air traffic controllers - something the country still hasn't fully recovered from some 40+ years later. Ironically, Reagan was a Union chief himself at one time (Actors' Guild I think it was called).

I call BS again. 

 

 

[Mike_Hunt]

9 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Reagan was the financier that provided the capital to move American manufacturing to Asia and walk away from the workers and the unions. Try  real history instead of trickle down lies.

Wong..

 

People like you live in a fantasy world.

[Mike_Hunt]

4 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

Exactly. And his 'useful academic idiot' was U of Chicago's Milton Friedman, who argued for much less government and advocated for the so-called 'trickle down effect' - where rich capitalists create a greater domestic economy (even though it was moving to Asia) and that wealth 'trickles down' to all workers. Which, as we know, is indeed bull <deleted>.

 

Bull<deleted>.

 

Manufacturing began shifting out of the United States gradually after World War II, but the real acceleration happened in distinct waves:

• 1950s–1960s: The first signs appeared when some labor-intensive industries (like textiles, apparel, and electronics assembly) began moving to Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Hong Kong, where wages were far lower.

• 1970s: Rising U.S. wages, strong unions, and new global trade agreements encouraged more companies to offshore simple manufacturing. Oil shocks and stagflation also pushed firms to cut costs.

• 1980s: With globalization expanding, U.S. companies increasingly moved production to Mexico and East Asia. The U.S. also began running large trade deficits, especially with Japan.

• 1990s: The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA, 1994) and China’s growing role as a global manufacturing hub accelerated offshoring. By the late 1990s, entire sectors (electronics, consumer goods, toys, textiles) had mostly relocated abroad.

• 2000s: China’s entry into the World Trade Organization (2001) marked the biggest single shift. U.S. companies moved high volumes of manufacturing to China, leading to the so-called “China shock,” where millions of U.S. factory jobs disappeared between 2001–2010.

 

[jvs]

48 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

All you people do post stupid world salads.  

 

You people are the genius you pretend to be in your minds.  

 

Most of you lefties suffer from Communal narcissism

 

An agency-communion model of narcissism distinguishes between agentic narcissists (individuals satisfying self-motives of grandiosity, esteem, entitlement, and power in agentic domains) and communal narcissists (individuals satisfying the same self-motives in communal domains). Five studies supported the model. In Study 1, participants listed their grandiose self-thoughts. Two distinct types emerged: agentic (“I am the most intelligent person”) and communal (“I am the most helpful person”). In Study 2, we relied on the listed communal grandiose self-thoughts to construct the Communal Narcissism Inventory. It was psychometrically sound, stable over time, and largely independent of the Narcissistic Personality Inventory—the standard measure of agentic narcissism. In Studies 3 and 4, agentic and communal narcissists shared the same self-motives, while crucially differing in their means for need satisfaction: Agentic narcissists capitalized on agentic means, communal narcissists on communal means. Study 5 revisited the puzzle of low self–other agreement regarding communal traits and behaviors. Attesting to the broader significance of our model, this low self–other agreement was partly due to communal narcissists: They saw themselves as high, but were seen by others as low, in communion. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2016 APA, all rights reserved)

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-devouring-russian-gas-at-record-speed-despite-cut-off-sanctions-war-ukraine/?r533

 

 

 Are those your own words or did you copy and paste? never mind.Talk about word salad! lol.

Could you not find an article with a later date?

Let me know if you need help finding it.

 

 

[ronnie50]

16 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

• 1950s–1960s: The first signs appeared when some labor-intensive industries (like textiles, apparel, and electronics assembly) began moving to Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and Hong Kong, where wages were far lower.

• 1970s: Rising U.S. wages, strong unions, and new global trade agreements encouraged more companies to offshore simple manufacturing. Oil shocks and stagflation also pushed firms to cut costs.

The fact that manufacturing (in some industries) might have slowed or declined after WW2 means nothing. The US in the 1940s and even 50s was adjusting to the end of the windfall of WW2. This doesn't mean American firms were moving to Asia in those periods (1960-70s) - and that's what we're discussing here. What happened at that time was that Japanese and Korean companies started up their own brands to compete with American domestic brands - hence the arrival of Sony, Panesonic, etc. followed by the Korean brands 10 years or so later. The point about the 1970s is exactly what I'm referring to. Trade unions were strong, the lower middle class was empowered and was on the ups. It was Reagan that led the revearsal in the 1980s. And thus began the race to the bottom for wages, etc.

[Lacessit]

11 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Wong..

 

People like you live in a fantasy world.

IMO posting a trend line which proves the other poster's assertion is one of the funniest posts I have seen on ASEAN for a long time. ROFL.

 

The only times the decline in manufacturing jobs was temporarily arrested, was during the Carter and Clinton presidencies. Both Democrats.

 

I guess you were behind the door when they handed out analytical skills.

[Mike_Hunt]

1 minute ago, ronnie50 said:

 It was Reagan that led the revearsal in the 1980s. And thus began the race to the bottom for wages, etc.

 

You have made a baseless claim.  Now back it up with facts.

[Mike_Hunt]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I guess you were behind the door when they handed out analytical skills.

You can't read a graph.   It flatted out until about 1978.   Then trended down.   Reagan assumed office in January 1981. 

[Jeff the Chef]

Just read the whole Topic, so glad I'm not an American having to deal with this rubbish.

[Mike_Hunt]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The only times the decline in manufacturing jobs was temporarily arrested, was during the Carter and Clinton presidencies. Both Democrats.

 

Bill Clinton signed the bill entered the USA into the WTO.  Which accelerated accelerated globalization and offshoring.

[Mike_Hunt]

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Just read the whole Topic, so glad I'm not an American having to deal with this rubbish.

I'm proud of you. 

[ronnie50]

11 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

You have made a baseless claim.  Now back it up with facts.

An opinion piece by 'Business Insider" from 2017 (when your pal was in the WH first time around with his useful idiot Navarro)

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-to-american-jobs-in-the-80s-2017-7 

 

"The White House is only telling you half of the sad story of what happened to American jobs" 

[ronnie50]

4 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Bill Clinton signed the bill entered the USA into the WTO.  Which accelerated accelerated globalization and offshoring.

On this point, I agree with you. Both parties have continued the destruction of US jobs and stanard of living (of the masses).

[Mike_Hunt]

2 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

An opinion piece by 'Business Insider" from 2017 (when your pal was in the WH first time around with his useful idiot Navarro)

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-happened-to-american-jobs-in-the-80s-2017-7 

 

"The White House is only telling you half of the sad story of what happened to American jobs" 

I've already proved that article wrong. 

[HappyExpat57]

I now completely understand how Hitler got to where he did. It's a goddammed shame SO many others don't get it.

[Lacessit]

19 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

You can't read a graph.   It flatted out until about 1978.   Then trended down.   Reagan assumed office in January 1981. 

The steepest downward trend in the entire graph is after Reagan assumed the Presidency in 1981.

 

Visit SpecSavers, or book yourself in for cataract surgery, Mr. Magoo.

[Mike_Hunt]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The steepest downward trend in the entire graph is after Reagan assumed the Presidency in 1981.

 

Visit SpecSavers, or book yourself in for cataract surgery, Mr. Magoo.

1) The trend was already declining. I have discussed the reasons for the decline of US manufacturing in previous posts in this thread.  

2). Since you insist on being a childish leftie.  What policy did Reagan implement that led to this outcome? Please include some factual information.

 

 

[Mike_Hunt]

7 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

I now completely understand how Hitler got to where he did. It's a goddammed shame SO many others don't get it.

What don't they get? 

[Lacessit]

13 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

1) The trend was already declining. I have discussed the reasons for the decline of US manufacturing in previous posts in this thread.  

2). Since you insist on being a childish leftie.  What policy did Reagan implement that led to this outcome? Please include some factual information.

 

 

I have wasted enough time on someone who is apparently as blind as a bat. Bye now.

 

[newbee2022]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

it's been on the decline for at least three decades

I agree:

The last time to slow down the process and to yank the wheel around was under Yelzin and Clinton. It was in the first years of the 1990s. The Russians asked to join the Nato. However, the Germans strongly disagreed (short time after reunification) and so Clinton let the Baltics, Hungary, Czechs, aso first. And the right time passed. In the meanwhile, Putin came to power, disappointed, humiliated and angry about being kicked out of Germany and refused by America and all western states.

Result you see at present.

[Yagoda]

5 hours ago, TheAppletons said:

Step 1:  Create a masked police force.  Get people used to seeing that.

 

Step 2: Normalize snatching people off the streets.  Get people used to seeing that.

 

Step 3: Militarize cities across the country.  Get people used to seeing that.

 

Step 4: Station an army on the streets of the nation's capital.

 

Step 5: Use steps 1-4 to maintain power in the event you lose an election.

Oh how utterly vacuous. What a stupid troll topic just festooned with historical ignorance.

 

You think the Feds are going to take over? Well excersize your Second Amendment rights then.  I can list you so many abuses of power by the Federal government since 1900 that in your mind would lead to an authoritarian monarchy. I bet you and your ilk never heard of half of them.

 

but, we are still here, we are still voting, I can say what I want and do what I want and molon labe so to speak. 

[Yagoda]

19 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I have wasted enough time on someone who is apparently as blind as a bat. Bye now.

 

In other words you lost again. Your entire political philosophy is losing. Hate has no place in the world.

[Will B Good]

2 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

Thats the hill you wanna die on eh. Laughable.

 

 

 

You've never done panto....? Miserable sinner

[Will B Good]

2 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Actually it goes to the new VP that Vance picks.

 

Stephen Miller?????