4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

When people are accused of heinous crimes and these accusations are believed, punitive actions should follow. That has nothing to do with religion or persecution, only with crimes being punished.

Backing a state or military that engages in systematic human rights violations and war crimes, as documented by various international bodies, cannot and should not shield anyone from criticism or scrutiny. To defend such actions, or to ignore the suffering of those who are targeted, is to condone injustice. Supporting a government that perpetuates violence doesn’t make one immune from being held accountable for that complicity. The idea that someone’s identity or affiliations should protect them from facing the consequences of their support for violence and oppression is an affront to basic principles of justice.

13 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    IMO , Palestinians  should leave Gaza voluntarily 

Who in their right mind would want to live in an open air prison, concentration camp , Apartheid , starvation, when they can emigrate to somewhere else ?

   

That wouldn't be "genocide" , it would be voluntarily emigration .

   I believe in voluntarily emigration , which isn't genocide  .

Could you retract your claim that I believe in genocide ?

   I believe in Palestinians willingly moving somewhere else 

Please could you retract your claim that I was lying ?

 

Your position misunderstands the reality faced by Palestinians in Gaza and the broader dynamics of displacement.

First, the idea that Palestinians should just “voluntarily leave Gaza” ignores the fact that they are living in a territory under blockade, with restricted movement, limited access to basic necessities, and no viable options for relocation. Gaza is not simply a place where people can just “move somewhere else”; it’s a besieged enclave, where basic human rights are violated daily, and even attempts to leave are often thwarted by Israel’s military and political controls.

Suggesting voluntary emigration also implies that Palestinians have the luxury of choice, which they do not. It's not just about "wanting to live elsewhere" - it’s about the fact that their homes and land are being systematically taken from them, their families torn apart, and their entire way of life under constant threat of erasure.

What you’re proposing is not voluntary emigration; it’s an attempt to shift the blame onto the victims of an ongoing occupation, while denying them their right to resist. Calling it anything less than forced displacement is misleading. As for the term “genocide,” the intentional destruction of a people, their culture, and their way of life is exactly what has been occurring under Israeli policies in Gaza, even if not all forms of genocide involve mass killings. What we are witnessing is a deliberate campaign to dehumanize and displace a population- and that, by definition, meets the criteria of genocide.

To suggest that Palestinians simply "move" is to disregard the systemic oppression that prevents them from doing so, and to ignore the realities of an ongoing crisis that they did not create.
 

The real question here is why you’re more focused on scapegoating the victims of occupation than on addressing the actions of those responsible for their suffering.

6 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Now, you are being silly. Would you be ok if Ukraine dropped a bomb in your Thai home and justified it as there were Russians there? 

Whos the one being silly? First off israel is fighting to remain a country. Second the media is not on their side. Russia an aggressor, israel a defender

5 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Whos the one being silly? First off israel is fighting to remain a country. Second the media is not on their side. Russia an aggressor, israel a defender

Western media were on Israel's side for a long time. Israeli atrocities have changed the perception though.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Western media were on Israel's side for a long time. Israeli atrocities have changed the perception though.

Media were on their side on october 7 and up until they decided to defend themselves

10 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Whos the one being silly? First off israel is fighting to remain a country. Second the media is not on their side. Russia an aggressor, israel a defender

Why do you defenders of the indefensible always ignore questions?
 

Of course the media is not on their side. 
 

Killing all your neighbors because they disagree with your occupation, apartheid and blockade is of course a war crime.

 

 

1 minute ago, JimCM said:

 

Of course the media is not on their side. 
 

 

 

The media is 90% leftist. Americans dont trust the left anymore

 

24 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

It's irrelevant to bring Jews into the Israeli air strike on Qatar.  Religion is irrelevant.

 

Gee, it's hard to leave Jews out of the air strike on Qatar.  Who do you think planned the mission, gave the orders and flew the planes that attacked the Hamas leadership?  I can promise you they were all Jews.  Judaism as a religious belief and spiritual pursuit is irrelevant to the Qatar air strike, but the  Jewish ethnicity of the Israeli participants  is absolutely relevant.  

 

24 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

This topic is about Israel's air strike, it has nothing to do with Jews, many of whom don't align with Israel's policy of destroying Gaza and killing Paelstinians alongside Hamas.

 

Israel's air strike against Qatar had everything to do with Jews,  The members of the Israeli government and IDF were defending the homeland of the world's Jews and its citizens against terrorists vowed to destroy it.

 

24 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

If the Israeli government had any moral values they would be apologising to Qatar and paying restitution to both the government and the family of the Qatari security guard they murdered.

 

If Hamas had any moral values it wouldn't have murdered and taken hostage both Israeli civilians and non-Jewish foreigners on Oct. 7, 2023, nor would it have ordered the attack at the Jerusalem bus stop Monday that killed six and wounded more than 20.  For Israelis, it's not a matter of morals but survival. Taking whatever steps are needed to defend Jews against terrorism is the dominant consideration.

1 minute ago, JimCM said:

Do you support Israel because of your religion?

I support them because im American and none of our other socialist western allies can be trusted anymore. Israel is the winner by default

Just now, JimCM said:

Squirm squirm.

You can’t defend your support of genocide here. 

 

Which A.I did you use ?

I will go there and reply directly to the A.I 

 

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

Which A.I did you use ?

I will go there and reply directly to the A.I 

 

I told you. 
AI can’t generate hate speech or lies but go ahead and try.

Just now, JimCM said:

That doesn’t make sense. I’d understand if you were Israeli.

If you were in trumps inner circle youd realize that without israel, america wouldnt remain the best country in the world

6 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Israel's air strike against Qatar had everything to do with Jews,  The members of the Israeli government and IDF were defending the homeland of the world's Jews and its citizens against terrorists vowed to destroy it.

The trouble in Israel and Palestine is not about religion - is about territorial control, political power, and the rights of an occupied people. Using the justification of defending Jews worldwide oversimplifies fact and makes it harder to address the root causes of the conflict, which is  the systematic oppression and displacement of Palestinians over decades.

4 minutes ago, angryguy said:

If you were in trumps inner circle youd realize that without israel, america wouldnt remain the best country in the world

Is America willing to compromise its ethical integrity and global reputation to prop up an ally that engages in policies of occupation and oppression?

$7 trillion of your budget gone in Middle East wars. You probably believe Iraq had WMD, do you ?

Just now, JimCM said:

Is America willing to compromise its ethical integrity and global reputation to prop up an ally that engages in policies of occupation and oppression?

$7 trillion of your budget gone in Middle East wars. You probably believe Iraq had WMD, do you ?

You probably believe bombing irans nuclear sites was a step too far dont you. Muslims would never want to use them on everyone else

4 minutes ago, angryguy said:

You probably believe bombing irans nuclear sites was a step too far dont you. Muslims would never want to use them on everyone else

Do I’d you support US invasion of Iraq? Simple question.

Yes, why should Israel have nuclear weapons and Iran not? Iran hasn’t stored any war in the last 100 years, unlike USA and Israel, who have initiated over 20. 

10 minutes ago, JimCM said:

The trouble in Israel and Palestine is not about religion - is about territorial control, political power, and the rights of an occupied people. Using the justification of defending Jews worldwide oversimplifies fact and makes it harder to address the root causes of the conflict, which is  the systematic oppression and displacement of Palestinians over decades.

 

    The cause of the conflict is Palestinians refusing to accept Israel's right to exist .

   There would be no conflict if the Palestinians stopped attacking Israel

Just now, JimCM said:

Do I’d you support US invasion of Iraq? Simple question.

Yes, why should Israel have nuclear weapons and Iran not? Iran hasn’t stored any war in the last 100 years, unlike USA and Israel, who have initiated over 20. 

I support western civilization as it is. You people support barbarians and making the whole world like the middle east

57 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Oh, poor you. I suggest you watch the facts.

Why would the truth upset you so much, do you support what Israel are doing?
You do know what is happening- Gaza has been flattened and 10s of thousand of woman and children have been killed.

Maybe you cover your eyes when deaths, starvation are in the news as it makes you fed up. Strange.

I understand why you would do that, however when people claim genocide falsely on a public forum they should be challenged.

 

Why should Palestine be allowed to hold hostages and continue to kill all the Jews they can? 

 

What would you have Israel do?

Thumbs me down all you want lefties. Israel is doing all the hard work so we can continue enjoying the high standard of living that the west provides

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

I understand why you would do that, however when people claim genocide falsely on a public forum they should be challenged.

 

Why should Palestine be allowed to hold hostages and continue to kill all the Jews they can? 

 

What would you have Israel do?

 

Genocide claims are not false.  There is ample evidence

 

As to what I would have Israel do, it would be proportional and wouldn't involve collective punishment, starvation, destruction of infrastructure and habit, terrorising and killing those seeking food aid and it definitely wouldn't involve bombing innocent countries and murdering their citizens.

2 minutes ago, angryguy said:

so we can continue enjoying the high standard of living that the west provides

What a load of crap!

The antisemites actually had to change the definition of genocide to try and make it fit. 

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why should Palestine be allowed to hold hostages and continue to kill all the Jews they can? 

 

Can you name one poster, or even better one entity, that hasn't condemned hamas for that and urged release of the hostages?

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Genocide claims are not false.  There is ample evidence

 

As to what I would have Israel do, it would be proportional and wouldn't involve collective punishment, starvation, destruction of infrastructure and habit, terrorising and killing those seeking food aid and it definitely wouldn't involve bombing innocent countries and murdering their citizens.

The only evidence I have seem are just claims that executing a war is genocide. 

 

It is not. 

2 minutes ago, johng said:

What a load of crap!

See the UK in 10 years and come back to me on that one. Unless they can get israel to help with their problem

3 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Thumbs me down all you want lefties. Israel is doing all the hard work so we can continue enjoying the high standard of living that the west provides

 

   The pro Palestinians usually win the thumbs down battle 🙂

They thumbs down all pro Israel posts 

They take the thumbs down battle very seriously  🙂

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The pro Palestinians usually win the thumbs down battle 🙂

They thumbs down all pro Israel posts 

They take the thumbs down battle very seriously  🙂

The left on ALL social media are the only ones leaving emojis or thumbs up down whatever they have. Adults have no use for emojis

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Can you name one poster, or even better one entity, that hasn't condemned hamas for that and urged release of the hostages?

Can you name one time hostages have been released because Hamas was being condemned and urged to release them?

 

Condemn and urge, condemn and urge, condemn and urge, condemn and urge...

 

Is this like "hope and prayers" being used to stop shootings?

 

And again, why should Palestine be allowed to continue to kill all the Jews they can? 

 

What would you have Israel do?

 

 

1 minute ago, JimCM said:

Waiting for your response re the Iraq war.

 

I am neither right nor left. Take you US polarization elsewhere. No room for it here to stupidly defend genocide. Your avoiding the real issues, and simple questions.

You keep saying genocide, its a leftist talking point. You are a leftist