After reading 2 pages of that Carter bloke’s drivel I had to give up.

This was an act of war against a sovereign state. As for Qatar not being an ally of U.S. Well, donating a $400 million aircraft to U.S. sure as hell seems like the act of an ally to me.

8 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

After reading 2 pages of that Carter bloke’s drivel I had to give up.

This was an act of war against a sovereign state. As for Qatar not being an ally of U.S. Well, donating a $400 million aircraft to U.S. sure as hell seems like the act of an ally to me.

 

    You want it to be an act of war so that Qatar will retaliate and that would give Palestine a  chance to win the war  .

   Bear in mind that last year Qatar expelled the Palestineians from Qatar and they refused to leave .

'We have already proven, to the entire world, that there is no safe haven for those who were responsible for the terrible massacre of October 7. The message is clear: You have no sanctuary. There is no place where we cannot reach you.”

 

   Prime Minister Netanyahu

On 9/10/2025 at 1:26 PM, billd766 said:

Not content with killing Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank stealing their land, Attacking the Lebanon, Syria. Iran and Yemen, Netanyahu has now attacked Qatar, a long term ally of his oldest and strongest ally. the USA. 

 

With, I suspect the collusion of Saudi Arabia which is the shortest route to Qatar. Either that or the US supplied air defence system is totally useless.

 

Saudi Arabia is also an ally of the USA.

 

 With US President Donald Trump calling the incident "unfortunate".

 

Attacking a peace delegation in a neutral sovereign country.

 

Is it just me that thinks that Netanyahu is totally crazy, and is not interested in the peace talks at all?

How bizarre. 11 posters have given me a thumbs down, meaning I suppose, that Israel can attack ANY country it chooses, but if the comments are against Israel, I get a thumbs down.

 

There seem to be some strange posters on AN, but it does not matter that much to me. I post as I think and feel. 

 

If you don't like my post and give me a thumbs down, why not explain why, or simply ignore my post altogether.

6 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Hamas doesn't seem to care much about war crimes. 

Why is it ok for one side in this conflict get massive support for their crimes, yet the other gets condemned for alleged war crimes?

 

Hamas is not getting support, let alone massive support.

10 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

You asked who started the conflicts before Oct. 7 , 2023, and I answered the Arab side started them.   Of course, there is no doubt Israel responded, shall we say "vigorously," to attacks or threats, sometimes pre-emptively.  But the Arab side started the violence; they did not want to live peacefully beside a Jewish state.

This is simply not true, you are distorting the facts.

It’s not accurate to say only the Arab side started the violence. History is much more complicated:

1948 (War of Independence / Nakba): Arab states rejected the UN partition plan and invaded. But for Palestinians, Israel’s founding meant mass displacement — over 700,000 fled or were expelled. From their perspective, Israel’s creation was the first act of aggression.

1956 (Suez Crisis): Israel, alongside Britain and France, launched a pre-emptive strike on Egypt to regain Western control of the Suez Canal. That wasn’t simply defensive.

1967 (Six-Day War): Israel struck first with a pre-emptive air assault on Egypt and Syria. Militarily justified perhaps, but undeniably aggressive in execution. Israel then occupied the West Bank, Gaza, Sinai, and Golan Heights — territories it still holds in part.

1973 (Yom Kippur War): Egypt and Syria attacked Israel, aiming to regain lost land. That time the Arab side did initiate war.

1987 & 2000 (First and Second Intifadas): Palestinian uprisings were sparked by decades of occupation and settlement expansion. Israel responded with overwhelming force, fueling more violence.

Ongoing issues: Settlement growth, blockades in Gaza, targeted assassinations, and pre-emptive strikes show Israel has acted aggressively, not only defensively.

So, yes, Arab states often rejected Israel’s legitimacy and used violence. But Israel has also taken aggressive steps,  not just responses, that have prolonged conflict. To say “the Arabs started it” oversimplifies a long, tangled history where both sides have, at different times, chosen force over peace.

35 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Hamas is not getting support, let alone massive support.

There seems to be weekly marches or protests supporting them under the guise of Palestinian support.

31 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

There seems to be weekly marches or protests supporting them under the guise of Palestinian support.

That comment says a lot about your view, not about reality.

15 hours ago, Huisnblasi said:

Well, with all the bombing and slaughtering done by the IDF you better prepair for the (un)expected....

 

   Oh I see, 

You were talking TO Israel and you wasn't talking to me , 

56 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

There seems to be weekly marches or protests supporting them under the guise of Palestinian support.

 

   They are gradually moving away from supporting Hamas, now that Hamas are losing 

On 9/10/2025 at 2:43 PM, Cameroni said:

 

The prohibition of violence to civilians, including children, in particular murder, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture is a principle of customary international law, with universal applicability in all situations of armed conflict.

Children and Armed Conflict - the United Nations

https://childrenandarmedconflict.un.org › six-grave-violations

 

Since this child was killed in Doha, it looks like another war crime by Netanyahu.

 

   What was the "child" doing there 

37 minutes ago, stevenl said:

That comment says a lot about your view, not about reality.

 

What is the reality then?  Who else besides Hamas benefits from the demonstrations against Israel?

36 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

What is the reality then?  Who else besides Hamas benefits from the demonstrations against Israel?

 

Try the innocent Palestinian citizens for a start

I asked a question, I would like the pro Israel supporters here to answer.

 

What is Israel doing to compensate the family of the Qatari security guard they murdered?

On 9/10/2025 at 2:26 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Stick to this story .

Is there any war crime in Israel's bombing of Doha ?

Hey, does it matter how and where or in what war he committed war crimes? Are you serious?

44 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Hey, does it matter how and where or in what war he committed war crimes? Are you serious?

 

   Its better to stick to the subject matter .

Other allegations of other crimes can be discussed in other threads 

1 hour ago, CallumWK said:

 

Try the innocent Palestinian citizens for a start

 

In what way do Palestinian citizens benefit from demonstrations against Israel? How are their lives made better by people in foreign countries taking to the streets and chanting against Israel?

7 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

In what way do Palestinian citizens benefit from demonstrations against Israel? How are their lives made better by people in foreign countries taking to the streets and chanting against Israel?

 

How about, if the purpose of the demonstrations, which is to call a halt to atrocities of the IDF, they have a chance to stay alive.

 

Wouldn't that be a benefit in your world of supporting the ethnic cleansing?

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I asked a question, I would like the pro Israel supporters here to answer.

 

What is Israel doing to compensate the family of the Qatari security guard they murdered?

 

   Nothing 

2 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

How about, if the purpose of the demonstrations, which is to call a halt to atrocities of the IDF, they have a chance to stay alive.

 

Wouldn't that be a benefit in your world of supporting the ethnic cleansing?

   

   If the demonstrators wanted the war to stop , they should call for Hamas to surrender and to released the hostages , that would stop the Palestinian civilians suffering 

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4 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

What is the reality then?  Who else besides Hamas benefits from the demonstrations against Israel?

Anyone with a conscience should  demonstrate against the atrocities "Israel"

are committing.

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

they should call for Hamas to surrender and to released the hostages , that would stop the Palestinian civilians suffering 

 

Not that it would..

 

Here's an idea Israel release  all the Palestinian prisoners  in exchange for all the "hostages"

3 hours ago, CallumWK said:

Howabout, if the purpose of the demonstrations, which is to call a halt to atrocities of the IDF, they have a chance to stay alive.

 

Wouldn't that be a benefit in your world of supporting the ethnic cleansing?

 

58 minutes ago, johng said:

Anyone with a conscience should  demonstrate against the atrocities "Israel" are committing.

 

It's difficult to answer these comments because I reject the notion Israel is committing "atrocities" in Gaza.  The Israeli government is fighting a battle for survival against a terror group which cares nothing for the suffering of its own people.  The death toll among non-combatants in  Gaza is due to a large extent to Hamas' strategy of hiding its members, weapons and supplies among non-combatants,

 

Hamas' strategy turns what should have been protected civilians and infrastructure (schools, hospitals, apartment buildings, etc.) into  legitimate military targets.  Against this background, I can't see how non-combatants benefit from demonstrations in foreign countries which condemn Israel.  It's a  to believe the Israeli government will stop its efforts to root out Hamas because crowds of antisemitic foreigners demonstrate against it.  It would be more beneficial for Gaza's non-combatants if the foreign demonstrations were aimed at Hamas.  Why not demand Hamas ceases with its terrorist tactics and frees all hostages?

 

Jews, more than any other people, know what it's like to have the world against them.  They have to do whatever it takes to defend their homeland, no matter if some (many?) non-Jews disapprove.  This time round Jews won't be walking in line to their doom.  Remember, @CallumWK and @johng, never again is now!  I hate to disappoint you, but you'll never see this happening in Israel, even though Israelis are up against a more vicious enemy today than in 1944..

 

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/killing-centers-an-overview

5 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Remember, @CallumWK and @johng, never again is now!

"Never again" used  to justify the atrocities the Israel  government are committing.... disgusting  

do you not understand what your "leaders" are doing ?

Just now, johng said:

"Never again" used  to justify the atrocities the Israel  government are committing.... disgusting  

do you not understand what your "leaders" are doing ?

 

"Never again" used to explain the actions taken by the Israeli government in defense of its people ... totally appropriate

I understand very well what the leaders of Israel are doing.  They aren't committing atrocities but they are defending their people against an enemy that has the destruction of Israel as its goal.

14 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Jews, more than any other people, know what it's like to have the world against them.  They have to do whatever it takes to defend their homeland,

Move the "homeland" to New York ,Hollywood  or Western Germany...why do you want your "homeland" to be surrounded by

hostiles that you constantly have to wage war against ?

3 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

They aren't committing atrocities

They are  and the international community  increasingly  agrees.

 

On 9/11/2025 at 3:04 AM, Bkk Brian said:

The deadliest slaughter of Jews in a single day since the Holocaust was a “military accomplishment” and “a source of pride for our people… to be passed down from generation to generation,” al-Hayya said.

Hamas’s top negotiator in the ceasefire and hostage talks said despite suing for an end to the war, the group would continue to pursue Israel’s destruction, looking toward Jerusalem and the Al-Aqsa Mosque as a “compass.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-leader-touts-ceasefire-as-a-defeat-for-israel-while-hailing-oct-7-atrocities/

HAMAS will not stop until they are destroyed. 

3 minutes ago, johng said:

They are  and the international community  increasingly  agrees.

 

Yes, we've been hearing that for forty years.