19 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, this is not a case of "both sides" are trying to "point the finger". One side pointed a loaded rifle and shot someone dead. And that side is very clearly the ANTIFA/Trans/LGBT side.

 

We know the killer is homosexual, lived with a transsexual lover and had on obsession with fascism. 

 

We all saw Jerry's point about the Reagan shooting, and it's a valid one. But this is not like the Reagan shooting. The perp did not mean to impress a girl, he is a homosexual who targeted Charlie Kirk because he did not like Kirk's right wing views, particularly on trans and LGBT issues. This is more like a real political assassination on the Martin Luther King or JFK lines. Political reasons.

 

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

 

 

 

No, whether they say it on TV is irrelevant. They have already told law enforcement that as of late the Perp got increasinly political and pontificated at a family dinner about Kirk's views, how they were spreading hate in his view, and he did not like them.

 

The family is on record saying this to the FBI and police. The family is cooperating fully and is telling the FBI all they know. The thing is they don't know everything, as the homosexual perp lived a double life.

What I meant is there are a lot of assumptions from all sides if why he did this, and no one knows for sure yet, Killing a person because they didn't like trans or anything else isn't political. It's hatred because of what Kirk has said. That he's on the right side makes him political because that's his beliefs. Robinson didn't need a political reason but just a reason that affected him personally, as he's a homosexual as is his partner.

 

If Robinson turns out to be left sided, that still doesn't mean it was political.

 

What happened at any dinner is still opinions because we weren't there. It's very simple. What double life did he live? I'm sure his family knew he wasn't straight.

 

Again, there has to be evidence and not conjecture. The only people who know anything are those who will interview Robinson, as even his partner, said he was surprised, which also can be BS. There is no "we" all know, as the only one who knows the real reason isn't talking. Everything else is just opinions, as even his father must have been surprised when he saw his picture on TV.  Everyone here is making guesses, and some might be right.

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

What I meant is there are a lot of assumptions from all sides if why he did this, and no one knows for sure yet, Killing a person because they didn't like trans or anything else isn't political. It's hatred because of what Kirk has said. That he's on the right side makes him political because that's his beliefs. Robinson didn't need a political reason but just a reason that affected him personally, as he's a homosexual as is his partner.

 

If Robinson turns out to be left sided, that still doesn't mean it was political.

 

Yes you are correct we should wait for further investigations and real data.

 

However your threshold for a political motive is much too high.

 

29 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

At the time I wrote that, I was only trying to say 'stranger things have happened'.

 

But maybe there is a closer similarity -- the 'other' person says he knows nothing about it and is co-operating in the investigation.

 

So possibly -- since it would seem Robinson pretty well figured to be caught -- this is an act of undying/dying devotion to the chrysalis in transition.

 

And that is a good point, there can be unexpected and strange reasons that emerge for a shooting.

 

However, in this case, the evidence points to a shooting for political reasons.

 

The trans boyfriend cooperating is to be expected, as if he does not he faces 5 years prison.. Of course it is unlikely the trans boyfriend did not know what would happen, but he has to pretend this now, since if he admits he knew he would go down as a co-conspirator for even more years.

 

The troubling thing is that after the murder the Perp discussed the killing with 20 others on Discord. 

 

And also that a number of people in the trans community posted about a big event about to happen on TV, so there's that.

 

But on these things we will need to wait until tomorrow I suspect.

 

It certainly looks like an act of devotion on the part of the Perp, to his adored transsexual object of desire.

23 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

What I meant is there are a lot of assumptions from all sides if why he did this, and no one knows for sure yet,

 

No. We know a number of facts for sure. We know what's engraved on the bullets. We know the Perp had a transsexual boyfriend and was a homosexual. We know he pontificated at a family dinner about political matters, such as his dislike of the political views of Charlie Kirk.

 

23 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Killing a person because they didn't like trans or anything else isn't political. It's hatred because of what Kirk has said.

 

No, it is a politicallly motivated kiling then. Kirk's view on Transgender issues was a political view.

23 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Robinson didn't need a political reason but just a reason that affected him personally, as he's a homosexual as is his partner.

Yes, Kirk's political vies affected him personally, as he is a homosexual with a trans partner, however, the trans rights/LGBT rights issue is a  political reason. 

 

23 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If Robinson turns out to be left sided, that still doesn't mean it was political.

 

It increases the likelihood that it was a political killing greatly.

 

23 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

What happened at any dinner is still opinions because we weren't there

 

No, it's not "opinions". It's evidence. These are statements the family made about what the Perp said at the dinner. It is evidence.. Not opinons.

 

23 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

What double life did he live? I'm sure his family knew he wasn't straight.

 

The Perp appears to have lived a double life in the sense that he lived with his parents and his boyfriend at the same time. It is inconceivable the family knew about the extent of his hatred for Kirk, and that murder plans were afoot.

 

23 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Again, there has to be evidence

 

There is plenty of evidence.

23 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

as even his partner, said he was surprised,

 

He would say that, because if he didn't he'd face decades in prison as co-conspirator.

 

23 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Everything else is just opinions, as even his father must have been surprised when he saw his picture on TV.  Everyone here is making guesses, and some might be right.

 

No, that's bs, there's plenty of evidence.

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

He would say that, because if he didn't he'd face decades in prison as co-conspirator.

There are some hard-nosed federal/FBI investigators out there on scene so that kid would have to be pretty good to fake all that -- esp. as he has been likely warned lying to a fed is a crime in itself.

15 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

There are some hard-nosed federal/FBI investigators out there on scene so that kid would have to be pretty good to fake all that -- esp. as he has been likely warned lying to a fed is a crime in itself.

 

Yes, and these hardnosed FBI investigators are not having much joy in getting anything out of the Perp. It will depend on the character of Twiggs. Let's see what comes tomorrow.

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, and these hardnosed FBI investigators are not having much joy in getting anything out of the Perp. It will depend on the character of Twiggs. Let's see what comes tomorrow.

Maybe he knows Miranda.

32 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No. We know a number of facts for sure. We know what's engraved on the bullets. We know the Perp had a transsexual boyfriend and was a homosexual. We know he pontificated at a family dinner about political matters, such as his dislike of the political views of Charlie Kirk.

 

 

No, it is a politicallly motivated kiling then. Kirk's view on Transgender issues was a political view.

Yes, Kirk's political vies affected him personally, as he is a homosexual with a trans partner, however, the trans rights/LGBT rights issue is a  political reason. 

 

 

It increases the likelihood that it was a political killing greatly.

 

 

No, it's not "opinions". It's evidence. These are statements the family made about what the Perp said at the dinner. It is evidence.. Not opinons.

 

 

The Perp appears to have lived a double life in the sense that he lived with his parents and his boyfriend at the same time. It is inconceivable the family knew about the extent of his hatred for Kirk, and that murder plans were afoot.

 

 

There is plenty of evidence.

 

He would say that, because if he didn't he'd face decades in prison as co-conspirator.

 

 

No, that's bs, there's plenty of evidence.

We only know what others have said. What's on the ammo can be related to online gaming, or not.

 

What that dinner was about is from word of mouth. What someone says and tells another is not always evidence, as it can be lies, exaggerations, BS or the truth.

 

Him living with his parents or his boyfriend isn't a double life. If he didn't want them to know, he might not have told anyone who would have told them. Again, we only know what others have said, and from the beginning, this has all be hearsay. That he had a double life means nothing anyway.

 

Yes, he can be politically motivated or he might have just killed him because of what he said about trans et al. If you want to say that Kirk was against trans, and call it political, that's up to you. Of course his parents might not have known know about his hatred and plans for Kirk, although his dislike, maybe. We didn't live in that house so no one besides those who lived there know much at all.

 

His partner, again, might have known everything, a little or nothing about his thinking about Kirk, but seeing he was a partner, he likely knew some things.

 

Again, Robinson is the only one that knows everything, and so far he isn't talking, and there are reasons for that. A possible deal with his lawyer and the law. There are possibly others involved.  They have no proof he indeed was the shooter. He was not arrested with the gun that shot Kirk. That gun is a very strange entity for a few reasons.

 

If you look at the comments on FB, there are hundreds that think this is a conspiracy, and that itself is another reason he might not be talking. It can be as simple as again, he hated what Kirk said about trans and homosexuals, and he took it too far and shot him.

 

It doesn't matter if it's political or not, as things political in the US are way out of hand already, with so much hatred, lies, biased opinions, and different media sources saying things that are true and lies also that everyone doesn't know what to believe. People see liars disguised as heroes and are hardcore believers because they can't see past those lies to see what is. Just like Kennedy and Trump's almost assassin, we may never know the real truth.

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Hmm I agree with you. I find Charlie Kirk arguments not particularly strong and tend to badger opponents with intimidating debate tricks. He don’t do well debating Cambridge U students but has more success in American Universities. 

 

Yes, he's overbearing and well studied on his topics of choice. He was no epic orator. 

 

He wouldn't fare well on top 100 US universities either.Take the uni he was shot... pretty mundane at best.

29 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It doesn't matter if it's political or not, as things political in the US are way out of hand already,

 

Things are out of hand, and of course it will matter if it's political or not. 

Living in the MAGA world could make any decent person crazy, if surrounded only by despicable MAGA freaks. Kirk was racist/fascist and half-mast for him is ls similar to having full-mast flag for Hitler's birthday. USA is now without doubt a fascist country.

Just now, bg53 said:

 

Things are out of hand, and of course it will matter if it's political or not. 

I didn't mean that as it sounds. I meant the man was killed, and that's the problem. The political issues are also a problem, and always have been. 

3 minutes ago, Sweet Swede said:

Living in the MAGA world could make any decent person crazy, if surrounded only by despicable MAGA freaks. Kirk was racist/fascist and half-mast for him is ls similar to having full-mast flag for Hitler's birthday. USA is now without doubt a fascist country.

Idiotic comments

3 minutes ago, Sweet Swede said:

Living in the MAGA world could make any decent person crazy, if surrounded only by despicable MAGA freaks. Kirk was racist/fascist and half-mast for him is ls similar to having full-mast flag for Hitler's birthday. USA is now without doubt a fascist country.

The US has has fascist thinking for over 100 years. People in the US came from everywhere, bringing all cultures and beliefs with them. Trying to have all these different ideals living in the same place is what's been hard.

5 minutes ago, Sweet Swede said:

Living in the MAGA world could make any decent person crazy, if surrounded only by despicable MAGA freaks. Kirk was racist/fascist and half-mast for him is ls similar to having full-mast flag for Hitler's birthday. USA is now without doubt a fascist country.

I found this for you............https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism_in_the_United_States.

then there is this...

 

8 minutes ago, Sweet Swede said:

Living in the MAGA world could make any decent person crazy, if surrounded only by despicable MAGA freaks. Kirk was racist/fascist and half-mast for him is ls similar to having full-mast flag for Hitler's birthday. USA is now without doubt a fascist country.

How exactly was he a fascist?   How is the USA a fascist country?

1 minute ago, sharot724 said:

then there is this...

 

There is no script to flip, the shooter is a leftie. 

8 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

How exactly was he a fascist?   How is the USA a fascist country?

Shooter fascist

Kirk harmless

 

Idiotic comments above by that guy

Words are words

Murder is murder

A leftist ideology would mean strong support for gun control.  This republican governor is trying to spin it for political gain.

4 hours ago, angryguy said:

I would disagree only about the sex. The leftist males here arent getting any

Really? I was giving my todger vacations.

23 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

There is no script to flip, the shooter is a leftie. 

How did you come to that conclusion. It is because he has a transgender partner? If so, Scott Bessent is a leftie too. He is openly gay and married John Freeman. 

18 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Shooter fascist

Kirk harmless

 

Idiotic comments above by that guy

Words are words

Murder is murder

"It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless"

 

George Orwell. 

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

We only know what others have said.

 

What his family told the FBI about the Perp having become highly political and pontificating about Kirk's views at a dinner are witness statements that are corroborated by several members of the family and are collected by the FBI as evidence.

 

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

What's on the ammo can be related to online gaming, or not.

 

Whether it's related to gaming is not important, what is important is the substance of those messages, which are anti-fascist messages in nature. Just because it's dressed in gaming lore does not mean there is not also another meaning

 

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

What that dinner was about is from word of mouth. What someone says and tells another is not always evidence, as it can be lies, exaggerations, BS or the truth.

 

 

I can assure you it's evidence, it's a witness statement of people who were at that dinner and will have been collected as  such by the FBI. Whether it is accurate is for others to determine, but it is evidence.

 

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

If you want to say that Kirk was against trans, and call it political, that's up to you.

 

No, it's not up to me, the Trans/LGBT issues Kirk talked about are most definitely poliical issues by any objective definition.

 

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

We didn't live in that house so no one besides those who lived there know much at all.

 

Well, we know they are cooperating with police, so if they had known about plans to murder Kirk, they would have come forward with that information.

 

We will know the real truth about this.

 

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

His partner, again, might have known everything, a little or nothing about his thinking about Kirk, but seeing he was a partner, he likely knew some things.

 

Exactly, the Perp spoke to 20 people on Discord after the killing ABOUT the killing, so it's inconceivable he wouldn't have talked about it with his lover

 

 

30 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

How exactly was he a fascist?   How is the USA a fascist country?

Many people with a patriotic heart and a love for democracy are trying to keep Trump and minions like you from turning it into one. 

7 minutes ago, marin said:

Many people with a patriotic heart and a love for democracy are trying to keep Trump and minions like you from turning it into one. 

Fascism is socialism

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

What his family told the FBI about the Perp having become highly political and pontificating about Kirk's views at at dinner are witness statements that are corroborated by several members of the family and are collected by the FBI as evidence.

 

 

Whether it's related to gaming is not important, what is important is the substance of those messages, which are anti-fascist messages in nature. Just because it's dressed in gaming lore does not mean there is another meaning

 

 

I can assure you it's evidence, it's a witness statement of people who were at that dinner and will have been collected as  such by the FBI. Whether it is accurate is for others to determine, but it is evidence.

 

 

No, it's not up to me, the Trans/LGBT issues Kirk talked about are most definitely poliical issues by any objective definition.

 

 

Well, we know they are cooperating with police, so if they had known about plans to murder Kirk, they would have come forward with that information.

 

We will know the real truth about this.

 

 

Exactly, the Perp spoke to 20 people on Discord after the killing ABOUT the killing, so it's inconceivable he wouldn't have talked about it with his lover

 

 

Evidence is what will be brought to the trial. Until he confesses or evidence that he actually shot Kirk comes out, nothing matters, as it's all hearsay until proven.

 

What he was or what side he was on means little. There are millions of people on both sides and some are extremists. That means nothing until they actually do something.

 

If he talked on Discord he likely already spoke to his partner, who is a lot closer than online people he doesn't know as well.

 

His family will surely cover their own asses, and say things accordingly. 

 

The only things that matter is proof he shot the gun that killed Kirk. The gun found might be a decoy, and there might be a real shooter out there. Ballistics needs a bullet. They haven't said anything about that yet, nor if Robinson's fingerprints were found on the gun.

 

We saw someone jump off that roof and run into the woods. The picture of that man on the stairwell doesn't look like Robinson but it might be. Anything anyone says means nothing until it's entered into evidence in court. No one knows anything more than what's been said in the news, which isn't much. Everything anyone has said here can be found online, and it's all news journalists words, which are the same things every day.

 

Robinson hasn't talked, so we don't know his real motives. They can be assumed, as they have been here, but no one knows what his thinking is, nor if he was the real shooter. Turning himself in doesn't mean he's convicted. If he was on the run he might have been found and shot by police. Do I think he's the shooter? Maybe, but he can also be working with others. Oswald was executed to silence him for a reason. To cover up the truth. Maybe we'll find out more Tuesday, maybe not.  Until then, all this is just the same thing. Assumptions.

7 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Fascism is socialism

you have spouted that BS before, and been refuted.  Enough, I will not listen to your false narrative, nor will democracy lovers. 

16 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

"It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless"

 

George Orwell. 

8 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Fascism is socialism

It’s true meaning has no value for the left, it’s just a word to hurtle when they can’t think of anything else to pull out of the sky…

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Evidence is what will be brought to the trial.

 

And the statement by the family about the Perp talking about how he disliked Kirk at dinner, will most certainly be brought to the trial as evidence by the prosecution.

 

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

nothing matters, as it's all hearsay until proven.

 

No, it's not. Witness statements are evidence.. Evidence matters.

 

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

what side he was on means little

 

No it matters a lot if the Perp was an ANTIFA ally and a LGBT or Trans ally, as it helps to establish motive.

 

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Robinson hasn't talked, so we don't know his real motives.

 

We know his real motive. He was banging a furry trans, he's a homosexual and he's a leftist, and he hated Kirk's right wing agenda and statements.

 

That's what he even told his family.

 

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Turning himself in doesn't mean he's convicted.

 

Lol, his own father turned him in and you're acting as if he's innocent. You're ludicrous.

 

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Until then, all this is just the same thing. Assumptions.

 

No, it's not "assumptions"...there's a truck load of evidence we already know, and the FBI has a truckload more. There is no doubt whatsoever that Robinson is the killer. There is no doubt he is a homosexual and deeply steeped in pro-Trans beliefs and leftist beliefs.