12 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

Throwing out the next bait?

 

If you really wanted to know, you would have googled that already.

 

But instead you ask me about the definition of genocide used by those HR organizations.

 

Why? Because you respect me as a source of knowledge and wisdom? 

 

All you want is me quoting that and just changing the words a little bit without corrupting the definition or even just forgetting a "," and once again you have a "proof" of me being a liar, which makes all I said a lie, and all my critique towards Israel wrong.

 

You`re becoming predictable.

To have a discission about whether there is or is not genocide, you have to have a definition of what genocide is. By traditional definitions, Israel is not committing genocide, but by a more recent definition, Israel is committing genocide. But using the recent definition, Palestine is also committing genocide on Israel. 

 

What is Israel doing to Palestine, that Palestine is not at least trying to do to Israel? 

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You claimed people were making claims they had not made, and then you say you weren't quoting them, so you can pretend they said anything they like. 

 

What? Who? Sorry, you lost me at "claimed of making claims which were not claimed".

 

Jokes aside, do you realize that you just committed the same "dishonesty" by describing the debate in your own words instead of quoting it with the exact wording? Something quite common in debates and definitely no proof of dishonesty.

 

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Again, you are not honest. 

 

And you support a genocide.

 

We all have to live with our imperfections.

This conversation is becoming increasingly acrimonious, exacerbated by the use of harsh language on both sides. Please address each other respectfully, avoiding ad hominem terms and extreme labels, such as 'liar', 'genocide supporter', and 'terrorist supporter'. All opinions are welcome here, so long as they are articulated politely. Thank you.

 

9. You will not post disruptive or inflammatory messages. You will respect other members and post in a civil manner. Personal attacks, insults or hate speech posted on the forum or sent by private message are not allowed.

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

To have a discission about whether there is or is not genocide, you have to have a definition of what genocide is.

 

No you don`t. It has been decided by the world`s most educated and specialized experts. Nothing more to say.

 

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

By traditional definitions, Israel is not committing genocide, but by a more recent definition, Israel is committing genocide. But using the recent definition, Palestine is also committing genocide on Israel. 

 

What is Israel doing to Palestine, that Palestine is not at least trying to do to Israel? 

 

For me genocide is genocide, I had no idea there are traditional genocides and modern ones.

 

To be honest, I do not understand why people are getting so exited, if it is a genocide or not.

 

Let`s say we use some definition in favor of Israel, (which I cannot imagine does exist,) and find out there is no genocide?

 

And then what?

 

Are then all the atrocities committed by Israel somehow ok?

 

The killing of maybe close to or more than 100.000. Most of them women an children

The bombing of almost every building in Gaza

The destruction of every hospital, school, university, you name it.

The execution of a world record number of journalists and medics.

The 15 aid workers, butchered and buried.

The intentional shooting of children in the head, chest, abdomen and genitals? CHILDREN! 

The execution of Hind Rajab. Something that if done by any Muslim country would have a global outrage with all leaders expressing their disgust. But an executed 5-year-old Palestinian girl, begging for her life before butchered with more then 350 bullets? Not worth mentioning.

 

I don`t want to live in a world where a 5-year-old girl has to beg for her life, still gets murdered and people call it self-defense. Do you?

 

I do not blame you by any means for any of these horrible things, which I thought were impossible in my time, at least impossible that an allied democracy would do that.

 

But you are dead wrong, when you keep defending, downplaying or even justifying that.

 

I mean, how can you condemn those abominations committed on October 7 (and once again, despite some people here try to brand me as a Hamas sympathizer, I condemn Hamas and what they have done to those kids and young people. I was sitting in front of my computer, sobbing, when I saw the footage, pressing pause repeatedly as this was too much to take.) when you support the exact same abominations done by the IDF a Thousand times more?

 

THAT`S what I need to hear an explanation for. THAT`s what I fail to understand.

 

And not some man made definition which increases or decreases the gravity of mass murder.

 

Can you help me out?

 

This is no rhetorical question. 

2 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

No you don`t. It has been decided by the world`s most educated and specialized experts. Nothing more to say.

 

 

For me genocide is genocide, I had no idea there are traditional genocides and modern ones.

 

To be honest, I do not understand why people are getting so exited, if it is a genocide or not.

 

Let`s say we use some definition in favor of Israel, (which I cannot imagine does exist,) and find out there is no genocide?

 

And then what?

 

Are then all the atrocities committed by Israel somehow ok?

 

The killing of maybe close to or more than 100.000. Most of them women an children

The bombing of almost every building in Gaza

The destruction of every hospital, school, university, you name it.

The execution of a world record number of journalists and medics.

The 15 aid workers, butchered and buried.

The intentional shooting of children in the head, chest, abdomen and genitals? CHILDREN! 

The execution of Hind Rajab. Something that if done by any Muslim country would have a global outrage with all leaders expressing their disgust. But an executed 5-year-old Palestinian girl, begging for her life before butchered with more then 350 bullets? Not worth mentioning.

 

I don`t want to live in a world where a 5-year-old girl has to beg for her life, still gets murdered and people call it self-defense. Do you?

 

I do not blame you by any means for any of these horrible things, which I thought were impossible in my time, at least impossible that an allied democracy would do that.

 

But you are dead wrong, when you keep defending, downplaying or even justifying that.

 

I mean, how can you condemn those abominations committed on October 7 (and once again, despite some people here try to brand me as a Hamas sympathizer, I condemn Hamas and what they have done to those kids and young people. I was sitting in front of my computer, sobbing, when I saw the footage, pressing pause repeatedly as this was too much to take.) when you support the exact same abominations done by the IDF a Thousand times more?

 

THAT`S what I need to hear an explanation for. THAT`s what I fail to understand.

 

And not some man made definition which increases or decreases the gravity of mass murder.

 

Can you help me out?

 

This is no rhetorical question. 

How can you say genocide is genocide without a clear definition? 

 

You want to say the Israel-Palestine is the same as the Cambodian genocide, I just don't buy that. 

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How can you say genocide is genocide without a clear definition? 

 

You want to say the Israel-Palestine is the same as the Cambodian genocide, I just don't buy that. 

You are being obtuse.  I have posted definitions of genocide at least 3 times when requested.

 

I have corrected more times than I can remember those saying “if Israel wanted to commit genocide then how is it only a hundred people a day are killed.”

 

To give just one example (for at least the 4th time) destruction of habitat or services is genocide. Would you argue 92% of homes destroyed is not destruction of habitat? Would you argue 92% of homes were shielding HAMAS fighters?

Incidentally, it seems we now propose only a hundred people per day murdered is ok.

 

We have soldiers and demonstrators arguing for the right to rape Palestinian prisoners (videos posted by @JimCM ) What has Israel become?

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How can you say genocide is genocide without a clear definition? 

 

Oh please, please, please stop doing that. I never said there is no clear definition. I said world`s best qualified experts decided that already probably using the latest definition so for me that's good enough to call a genocide a genocide and I wasn`t aware of different ones.

YOU said there are different definitions.

 

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

You want to say the Israel-Palestine is the same as the Cambodian genocide, I just don't buy that. 

 

No, I did not say that. I do not want to say that. I will not say that. I never even mentioned Cambodia. I have no idea why you are creating more confusion. We do not live in the same reality.

Don`t tell me you don`t buy something which I never tried to sell to you. That`s just not helping.

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

You are being obtuse.  I have posted definitions of genocide at least 3 times when requested.

 

I have corrected more times than I can remember those saying “if Israel wanted to commit genocide then how is it only a hundred people a day are killed.”

 

To give just one example (for at least the 4th time) destruction of habitat or services is genocide. Would you argue 92% of homes destroyed is not destruction of habitat? Would you argue 92% of homes were shielding HAMAS fighters?

Incidentally, it seems we now propose only a hundred people per day murdered is ok.

 

We have soldiers and demonstrators arguing for the right to rape Palestinian prisoners (videos posted by @JimCM ) What has Israel become?

Okay, so if "destruction of habitat or services is genocide" then Palestine has committed genocide, because they have destroyed homes in Israel. 

3 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

Oh please, please, please stop doing that. I never said there is no clear definition. I said world`s best qualified experts decided that already probably using the latest definition so for me that's good enough to call a genocide a genocide and I wasn`t aware of different ones.

YOU said there are different definitions.

What is the clear definition you use? 

3 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

 

No, I did not say that. I do not want to say that. I will not say that. I never even mentioned Cambodia. I have no idea why you are creating more confusion. We do not live in the same reality.

Don`t tell me you don`t buy something which I never tried to sell to you. That`s just not helping.

Did you not say: "For me genocide is genocide..."?

On 10/19/2025 at 3:43 PM, billd766 said:

 

Remind us all how many Palestinian men, women, children and babies, have been murdered by the IDF and Israeli government in just over 2 years. none of whom ever went to a trial. 

 

Was it 64.xxx or 65,xxx, NOT including a family of 11 murdered in the last day or 2 by the IDF, or don't those matter to you?

Don't matter to me at all. Why do you ask?

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

What is the clear definition you use? 

 

I have none. Who am I to decide this? Genocide is a very serious accusation that`s why only real experts should have a say on that. Like the highest institution for that the  International Association of Genocide Scholars 

 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Did you not say: "For me genocide is genocide..."?

 

Meaning if those experts call it a genocide, I´ll call it a genocide.

 

Sorry, I am not a native speaker, my expression lead to misunderstanding.

 

Would you mind answering my question about how can you condemn one atrocity done to about 1200 and at the same time support another atrocity done to 100.000? And please answer without splitting hairs.

3 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

What? Who? Sorry, you lost me at "claimed of making claims which were not claimed".

 

Jokes aside, do you realize that you just committed the same "dishonesty" by describing the debate in your own words instead of quoting it with the exact wording? Something quite common in debates and definitely no proof of dishonesty.

 

 

And you support a genocide.

 

We all have to live with our imperfections.

Just put him on your ignore list.

 

You cannot argue or have any discussion with a troll.

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

We have soldiers and demonstrators arguing for the right to rape Palestinian prisoners (videos posted by @JimCM ) What has Israel become?

They have become terrorists, and the most immoral people on the planet, pariahs. 
They are  a lunatic state, as Norman and other experts have said for years. Now, the world is awake to it. Also the evil Netanyahu represents the Israeli society.

 

Even Jewish terrorist appear on talk shows, note the current Israeli Minister.

 

12 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

I have none. Who am I to decide this? Genocide is a very serious accusation that`s why only real experts should have a say on that. Like the highest institution for that the  International Association of Genocide Scholars 

 

Meaning if those experts call it a genocide, I´ll call it a genocide.

I have looked at the "International Association of Genocide Scholars" and it looks like just another silly organization full of leftist academics, so I do not trust anything they say. 

 

You do not even know how they define genocide, yet you take their word for whatever they say.

 

12 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

Sorry, I am not a native speaker, my expression lead to misunderstanding.

 

Would you mind answering my question about how can you condemn one atrocity done to about 1200 and at the same time support another atrocity done to 100.000? And please answer without splitting hairs.

You have me confused. I do not support atrocities of any kind. 

On 10/19/2025 at 1:43 AM, billd766 said:

 

Remind us all how many Palestinian men, women, children and babies, have been murdered by the IDF and Israeli government in just over 2 years. none of whom ever went to a trial. 

 

Was it 64.xxx or 65,xxx, NOT including a family of 11 murdered in the last day or 2 by the IDF, or don't those matter to you?

 

Ok, Israel is very bad. We all point our fingers and condemn Israel. Happy?

Now, answer the question as to how many people Hamas has murdered. For many years, many Gazans have disappeared. Sometimes they are Fatah, sometimes they members of clans who are in competition with the  financial wing of Hamas in the pilfering of foreign aid, and other times they are Gazans who want to be free of the dictatorial rule of the Muslim Brotherhood aka Hamas. People are killed and Israel is blamed. People disappear and Israel is blamed. You refuse to acknowledge that Hamas are brutal killers of their own people.

36 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Ok, Israel is very bad. We all point our fingers and condemn Israel. Happy?

Now, answer the question as to how many people Hamas has murdered. For many years, many Gazans have disappeared. Sometimes they are Fatah, sometimes they members of clans who are in competition with the  financial wing of Hamas in the pilfering of foreign aid, and other times they are Gazans who want to be free of the dictatorial rule of the Muslim Brotherhood aka Hamas. People are killed and Israel is blamed. People disappear and Israel is blamed. You refuse to acknowledge that Hamas are brutal killers of their own people.

2 wrongs don’t make a right. If you were a prison guard and inmates were killing each other, does that give you the right to kill more of them and destroy their cells and starve them ? The zionists are struggling to justify their crimes and reverting to two common strategies in debating, whataboutism and deflection from the main issue. 

15 minutes ago, RobKray said:

I am affiliated with no groups or other posters. What crusade on Israel?

Do you support Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state?

 

Do you condemn the Palestinians for their years of attacks on Isreal? 

 

Do you think Hamas needs to be eradicated?

37 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Help me out here. What are your other identities  at Asean Now, and what anti Israel groups are you affiliated with. it is rather odd that you joined September 8, and you are leading the way with your crusade on israel. At the very least, do you believe that you should compensate  Asean Now for hosting your  activities?

There's hardly anybody here now compared to days of yore when this placed hummed with activity and rumbustious debate and I'm sure the authorities here can identify multiple accounts and deal with then approriately if required. Render unto Asean Now what is Caesar's. We should welcome debate and new members in helping to keep the site going at least that's my humble opinion in my 5,268 days of membership. 

17 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

 

 

Would you mind answering my question about how can you condemn one atrocity done to about 1200 and at the same time support another atrocity done to 100.000? And please answer without splitting hairs.

In World War II, around 6 million Germans died compared to about 450 thousand Britons. Does that mean the British committed genocide against the German people? Obviously not. We need context, not childish number-games.

 

The only reason Hamas killed “only” about 1,200 people on October 7th is because they lacked the ability to kill all Jews - and likely all non-Muslims - not because they are driven by humanitarian values or respect for human life.

 

p.s. 

According to the Gaza Ministry of Health, as of October 2025 at least 67,194 Palestinians have been killed in the 2023–2025 Israel–Hamas war in the Gaza Strip since it began on 7 October 2023.

The real number is obviously less than this. 
 

The real problem is that Hamas extremists care neither about Jewish lives nor about Palestinian lives. They are directly responsible for the deaths on both sides of this conflict.

Off topic posts speculating on the identities of members were removed. Please stop doing it, and debate the topic, or you will be removed from the conversation. Thank you.

1 hour ago, Hellfire said:

In World War II, around 6 million Germans died compared to about 450 thousand Britons. Does that mean the British committed genocide against the German people? Obviously not. We need context, not childish number-games.

 

The only reason Hamas killed “only” about 1,200 people on October 7th is because they lacked the ability to kill all Jews - and likely all non-Muslims - not because they are driven by humanitarian values or respect for human life.

 

p.s. 

According to the Gaza Ministry of Health, as of October 2025 at least 67,194 Palestinians have been killed in the 2023–2025 Israel–Hamas war in the Gaza Strip since it began on 7 October 2023.

The real number is obviously less than this. 
 

The real problem is that Hamas extremists care neither about Jewish lives nor about Palestinian lives. They are directly responsible for the deaths on both sides of this conflict.

Do not say Hamas, say Palestine, that's who Hamas is. And Palestine does care about Jewish lives, in that they want them all ended. 

38 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do not say Hamas, say Palestine, that's who Hamas is. And Palestine does care about Jewish lives, in that they want them all ended. 

My main point is that these so-called “freedom fighters,” who are in fact terrorists, don’t care at all about Palestinian lives. They exploit their own people for fanatical purposes, one of which is the total annihilation of Israel. They would never have carried out the October 7 attacks the way they did if they had even a shred of concern for their children or women.The harsh Israeli response was inevitable. 

9 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I have looked at the "International Association of Genocide Scholars" and it looks like just another silly organization full of leftist academics, so I do not trust anything they say. 

 

You do not even know how they define genocide, yet you take their word for whatever they say.

 

You have me confused. I do not support atrocities of any kind. 

 

Sure, probably just some dumb leftists, who have the audacity to accuse Israel of genocide without sending their definition of genocide to us.

 

Hmm, well, unfortunately there are one or two other organizations which accuse Israel of genocide. Some of them real heavy weights.

 

What is you opinion about them? Leftist? Hamas? Anti-semites? Not honest brokers aka liars?

 

 

Lemkin institute for genocide prevention

 

Euro Mediterranean human rights monitor

 

Center for constitutional rights

 

International Federation of human rights

 

Doctors against genocide

 

Mennonite central committee

 

American friends service committee

 

Action Aid

 

Amnesty International

 

European centre for constitutional and human rights

 

Genocide watch

 

Human Rights Watch

 

Medico international

 

Jerusalem Center for legal aid and human rights

 

Independent Commission for Human Rights

 

Defence for Children International

 

Human concern international

 

Trocaire

 

B`Tselem

 

Oxfam

 

Physicians for human rights

 

International Association of genocide scholars

 

War resister`s international

 

Medecins sans frontieres

 

(Doctors Without Borders)

 

Refugees international

 

UNHRC

 

 

Err .... @Yellowtail my dear, are you still there?

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Ok, Israel is very bad. We all point our fingers and condemn Israel. Happy?

Now, answer the question as to how many people Hamas has murdered. For many years, many Gazans have disappeared. Sometimes they are Fatah, sometimes they members of clans who are in competition with the  financial wing of Hamas in the pilfering of foreign aid, and other times they are Gazans who want to be free of the dictatorial rule of the Muslim Brotherhood aka Hamas. People are killed and Israel is blamed. People disappear and Israel is blamed. You refuse to acknowledge that Hamas are brutal killers of their own people.

That is called the right of self-determination, meaning you can choose who's going to kill you.

 

Now jokes aside, as had been said before, the number of Palestinians killed by Palestinians no matter how high, is no justification for Israel to occupy a complete area and later flatten it killing 10s of thousands. So, what's your point?

 

Anyway, thank you for this statement, as it clearly backs the fact that many Palestinians are not in or for Hamas and do not support them, in fact they oppose them and sometimes pay the ultimate price.

 

Because Israel and many members in here claimed that there are no innocents in Gaza so indiscriminate bombing is the way to go.

1 minute ago, Somjot said:

That is called the right of self-determination, meaning you can choose who's going to kill you.

 

Now jokes aside, as had been said before, the number of Palestinians killed by Palestinians No matter how high, is no justification for Israel to occupy a complete area and later flatten it killing 10s of thousands. So, what's your point?

 

Anyway, thank you for this statement, as it clearly backs the fact that many Palestinians are not in or for Hamas and do not support them, in fact they oppose them and sometimes pay the ultimate price.

 

Because Israel and many members in here claimed that there are no innocents in Gaza so indiscriminate bombing is the way to go.

I do not believe any members here have said, nor meant to imply "...that that there are no innocents in Gaza so indiscriminate bombing is the way to go."

 

You are again making up nonsense. 

 

What percentage of Palestinians do you think support Hamas?

 

What percentage of Palestinians do you think want to eradicate Israel regardless of who their government is? 

18 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

Sure, probably just some dumb leftists, who have the audacity to accuse Israel of genocide without sending their definition of genocide to us.

 

Hmm, well, unfortunately there are one or two other organizations which accuse Israel of genocide. Some of them real heavy weights.

 

What is you opinion about them? Leftist? Hamas? Anti-semites? Not honest brokers aka liars?

 

 

Lemkin institute for genocide prevention

 

Euro Mediterranean human rights monitor

 

Center for constitutional rights

 

International Federation of human rights

 

Doctors against genocide

 

Mennonite central committee

 

American friends service committee

 

Action Aid

 

Amnesty International

 

European centre for constitutional and human rights

 

Genocide watch

 

Human Rights Watch

 

Medico international

 

Jerusalem Center for legal aid and human rights

 

Independent Commission for Human Rights

 

Defence for Children International

 

Human concern international

 

Trocaire

 

B`Tselem

 

Oxfam

 

Physicians for human rights

 

International Association of genocide scholars

 

War resister`s international

 

Medecins sans frontieres

 

(Doctors Without Borders)

 

Refugees international

 

UNHRC

 

 

Err .... @Yellowtail my dear, are you still there?

I said leftist academics, I did not say they are dumb, 

 

That they are leftists is enough to make anything they say suspect.  

Thank you very much for this post as it perfectly shows how Zionists justify their actions.

2 of them have already been mentioned, Whataboutism and Deflection from the main issue.

 

Another very common strategy is taking well known facts out of the context and misusing them to draw wrong conclusions, to justify the mass murder committed by Israel:

 

5 hours ago, Hellfire said:

In World War II, around 6 million Germans died compared to about 450 thousand Britons. Does that mean the British committed genocide against the German people? Obviously not.

 

Fact 1: In World War II 6 million Germans died

 

Fact 2: In World War II 450 thousand Britons died.

 

Question: Under consideration of these numbers did the British commit genocide?

 

Answer: No, they didn't.

 

Conclusion: Israel does not commit genocide.

 

 

Are you serious? Do I really have to explain to you that the Second World War was between countries, each of them with armies, air forces and warships, while the war in Gaza is between an occupying country with one of the most modern armies on our planet and financial plus military support from the last remaining superpower on our planet and an occupied area with no regular military let alone tanks or planes or whatever.

 

Did you somehow forget that Germany was fighting against many countries, which is by the way the reason they call it World War and not British German war or Limey Kraut war and that those 6,000,000 Germans were not exclusively killed by Britons?

 

5 hours ago, Hellfire said:

We need context, not childish number-games.

 

You say we need context not childish number games but you replace those number games by childish word games.

 

And you insult our intelligence.

 

5 hours ago, Hellfire said:

The only reason Hamas killed “only” about 1,200 people on October 7th is because they lacked the ability to kill all Jews - and likely all non-Muslims - not because they are driven by humanitarian values or respect for human life.

 

I can't say that I really know what Hamas wants but I know what incident gave birth to Hamas:

 

the creation of the state of Israel on Palestinian land, the violent deportation of 750,000 Palestinians including the killing of thousands of them with the intention of ethnic cleansing.

 

The ongoing violent settlement on Palestinian land, the occupation of Gaza and oppression and abuse of Palestinians there from 1967 to 2006.

 

And as you might know, there would not be any Hamas if Israel and Netanyahu personally wouldn't have supported the finances needed to create them in 1987.

 

 

5 hours ago, Hellfire said:

According to the Gaza Ministry of Health, as of October 2025 at least 67,194 Palestinians have been killed in the 2023–2025 Israel–Hamas war in the Gaza Strip since it began on 7 October 2023.

The real number is obviously less than this. 

 

Please explain why you think the numbers are obviously less.

 

I think they are obviously much higher than that because the Gaza Ministry of Health only counts confirmed deaths and not those disappeared under the rubble.

 

 

5 hours ago, Hellfire said:

The real problem is that Hamas extremists care neither about Jewish lives nor about Palestinian lives. They are directly responsible for the deaths on both sides of this conflict.

 

I do not support that, but one might argue that Hamas is indirectly responsible for the deaths on both sides of the conflict.

 

But it is always and without exception the person who pulls the trigger who is directly responsible for death plus maybe his superior who ordered the killing.

 

The real problem is that western media and subsequently western opinion adopted this distorted version of justice, although we would never accept that in our own society.

 

Because there would be no boundaries for violence and counter violence if that was true.

 

There is self-defense and there is Exceeding the limits of self-defense using excessive force which isn`t self-defense but a crime.

 

If some aggressive neighbor starts punching me in the face, maybe even breaks my nose and I try to prevent further damage by kicking him in the groin, that’s called self-defense.

 

But if I follow him to his house and beat him and his wife into coma, no judge in the western civilization would call this self-defense.

 

But somehow Israel convinced us, that it is.

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I do not believe any members here have said, nor meant to imply "...that that there are no innocents in Gaza so indiscriminate bombing is the way to go."

 

Here you go again with your by now easy to see through strategy:

 

You quote a single statement out of context and if I provide proof, this was the Israeli attitude even before October 7 like here in 2018

 

https://www.france24.com/en/20180408-israel-defence-minister-says-no-innocent-people-gaza

 

or during the recent war

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/israel-posts-video-saying-are-no-innocent-civilians-gaza-rcna157111

 

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-poll-62-of-israelis-say-there-are-no-innocent-people-in-gaza

 

 

You will state:

 

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

You are again making up nonsense. 

 

And call me a liar or a not honest broker.

 

Despite logic dictates that when I write "Because Israel and many members in here claimed that there are no innocents in Gaza so indiscriminate bombing is the way to go" that I was not quoting word by word as all of them most likely did not use the same wording.

 

It is clear that I was just giving the general sense or the gist of what they said.

 

For you any deviation from the original wording despite the core message is not changed at all, is a lie and therefore anything else I wrote is not true so why bother answering to that.

 

How comfortable.

 

So no need to comment the more than 20 organizations accusing Israel for of genocide

 

Also why honor my previous questions with answers, when I am a liar so probably my questions are lies too, right?

 

 

On 10/25/2025 at 7:54 PM, Somjot said:

Are then all the atrocities committed by Israel somehow ok?

 

The killing of maybe close to or more than 100.000. Most of them women an children

The bombing of almost every building in Gaza

The destruction of every hospital, school, university, you name it.

The execution of a world record number of journalists and medics.

The 15 aid workers, butchered and buried.

The intentional shooting of children in the head, chest, abdomen and genitals? CHILDREN! 

The execution of Hind Rajab. Something that if done by any Muslim country would have a global outrage with all leaders expressing their disgust. But an executed 5-year-old Palestinian girl, begging for her life before butchered with more then 350 bullets? Not worth mentioning.

I don`t want to live in a world where a 5-year-old girl has to beg for her life, still gets murdered and people call it self-defense. Do you?

I mean, how can you condemn those abominations committed on October 7 (and once again, despite some people here try to brand me as a Hamas sympathizer, I condemn Hamas and what they have done to those kids and young people. I was sitting in front of my computer, sobbing, when I saw the footage, pressing pause repeatedly as this was too much to take.) when you support the exact same abominations done by the IDF a Thousand times more?

 

THAT`S what I need to hear an explanation for. THAT`s what I fail to understand.

 

Just act as if they were never asked.

 

And instead ask more questions. Questions you are well aware, I could not answer.

 

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

What percentage of Palestinians do you think support Hamas?

What percentage of Palestinians do you think want to eradicate Israel regardless of who their government is? 

 

I don`t know. Your country would not let me in to ask them.

 

Which you are aware of yet you ask me.

 

What is the purpose of your question then?

 

Hoping I`d answer so that you can blame me of being dishonest and dodge possibly uncomfortable questions again?

 

Or even worse accuse me of being a Hamas friend, as how would I otherwise be able to get that intel?

 

What about answering my questions before asking me any?

5 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I said leftist academics, I did not say they are dumb, 

 

That they are leftists is enough to make anything they say suspect.  

 

You said silly.

 

However why do you think the political views have any effects on the qualification of a specialist on that field to judge if a country is committing genocide?

 

Any judge, no matter if from that committee or from the ICJ or ICC has a set of rules and laws he must strictly follow and base his decisions on, independent of his personal political opinion.

 

Never mind. Why do I even bother asking you? I mean, you claim what the IDF has done in Gaza is self-defense.