1 hour ago, kimothai said:

One only needs to look at the final findings of the Russia hoax.  Trump innocent and Russians were meddling.  As if that was something we didn't already know.

They may not have found anything to directly link Trump to it (he's not called Teflon Don for nothing), but innocent? Maybe you should ask:-

 

• Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chairman passed internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election. He was found guilty of five counts of tax fraud, two counts of bank fraud and one count of failing to disclose foreign bank accounts.
• Michael Flynn, Trump's national security adviser who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia during Trump's presidential transition. 
• Rick Gates, the former deputy chairman of Trump's campaign who pleaded guilty to conspiracy against the United States and lying to investigators.
• Konstantin Kilimnik, a Manafort aide in Ukraine who was charged with tampering with witnesses about their past lobbying for Ukraine's former pro-Russian government. 
• George Papadopoulos the former Trump campaign adviser was sentenced to prison after pleading guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian official. 
• Alex Van Der Zwaan who once worked closely with Manafort and Gates, Van Der Zwaan pleaded guilty to lying to Mueller's investigators about contacts with a Trump campaign official. Van Der Zwaan, the Dutch son-in-law of one of Russia's richest men, was sentenced to prison and fined $20,000. 
• Richard Pinedo who pleaded guilty to identity fraud in a case related to the Mueller investigation for helping Russian conspirators launder money, purchase Facebook ads and pay for supplies.

But yeah, all a 'hoax' and everyone was 'innocent'.

 

And of course Trump pardoned the vast majority of these including  Manafort, Kilimnik, Papadopoulos and Alex Van Der Zwaan.

11 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

They may not have found anything to directly link Trump to it (he's not called Teflon Don for nothing), but innocent? Maybe you should ask:-

 

• Paul Manafort, Trump's former campaign chairman passed internal Trump campaign information to a Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election. He was found guilty of five counts of tax fraud, two counts of bank fraud and one count of failing to disclose foreign bank accounts.
• Michael Flynn, Trump's national security adviser who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia during Trump's presidential transition. 
• Rick Gates, the former deputy chairman of Trump's campaign who pleaded guilty to conspiracy against the United States and lying to investigators.
• Konstantin Kilimnik, a Manafort aide in Ukraine who was charged with tampering with witnesses about their past lobbying for Ukraine's former pro-Russian government. 
• George Papadopoulos the former Trump campaign adviser was sentenced to prison after pleading guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian official. 
• Alex Van Der Zwaan who once worked closely with Manafort and Gates, Van Der Zwaan pleaded guilty to lying to Mueller's investigators about contacts with a Trump campaign official. Van Der Zwaan, the Dutch son-in-law of one of Russia's richest men, was sentenced to prison and fined $20,000. 
• Richard Pinedo who pleaded guilty to identity fraud in a case related to the Mueller investigation for helping Russian conspirators launder money, purchase Facebook ads and pay for supplies.

But yeah, all a 'hoax' and everyone was 'innocent'.

 

And of course Trump pardoned the vast majority of these including  Manafort, Kilimnik, Papadopoulos and Alex Van Der Zwaan.

If you are going to complain about Trump's pardons/clemencies, then don't forget about Biden who granted more than 4,000 more than Trump.  Some may consider that an indication of who was by far the most corrupt.

4 hours ago, kimothai said:

If you are going to complain about Trump's pardons/clemencies, then don't forget about Biden who granted more than 4,000 more than Trump.  Some may consider that an indication of who was by far the most corrupt.

First of all it wasn't '4,000 more than Trump'. It was 4,000 in total against Trumps 1,600 i.e 2,400 more. Also and very importantly, they weren't all pardons. He only pardoned 80. The rest was clemency to provide 'relief for individuals who received lengthy sentences based on discredited distinctions between crack and powder cocaine, as well as outdated sentencing enhancements for drug crimes," he said.  "This action is an important step toward righting historic wrongs, correcting sentencing disparities, and providing deserving individuals the opportunity to return to their families and communities after spending far too much time behind bars," he added.  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-record-most-pardons-commutations-2500-nonviolent-drug-offenses-rcna188081

 

They was absolutely nothing 'corrupt' in this. Quite the opposite in fact. He was righting the wrongs many people suffered through excessive sentencing wherein Trump pardoned ALL of the Jan 6th rioters irrespective of the severity of their crimes and against the sentiments of both Vance and Rubio who had clearly stated “If you committed violence on that day, obviously you shouldn’t be pardoned.” Of course Trump being Trump did it anyway.

 

 

 

Well hopefully we will all get to see what all the fuss has been about real soon.

Trump calls on House Republicans to vote to release Epstein files - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgv653v1vjo

 

'US President Donald Trump has urged lawmakers in his own party to vote to release files relating to the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Trump wrote on Sunday night that Republicans in the House of Representatives should do so "because we have nothing to hide". It is a striking reversal for Trump after weeks of saying the clamour for a vote on the release was a Democratic-driven distraction. There has been a slow drip feed of documents concerning the disgraced financier by House Democrats, some of which reference Trump, who has always denied any link to Epstein's sex abuse and trafficking.' 

 

About time - if of course it actually happens.

4 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

First of all it wasn't '4,000 more than Trump'. It was 4,000 in total against Trumps 1,600 i.e 2,400 more. Also and very importantly, they weren't all pardons. He only pardoned 80. The rest was clemency to provide 'relief for individuals who received lengthy sentences based on discredited distinctions between crack and powder cocaine, as well as outdated sentencing enhancements for drug crimes," he said.  "This action is an important step toward righting historic wrongs, correcting sentencing disparities, and providing deserving individuals the opportunity to return to their families and communities after spending far too much time behind bars," he added.  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-record-most-pardons-commutations-2500-nonviolent-drug-offenses-rcna188081

 

They was absolutely nothing 'corrupt' in this. Quite the opposite in fact. He was righting the wrongs many people suffered through excessive sentencing wherein Trump pardoned ALL of the Jan 6th rioters irrespective of the severity of their crimes and against the sentiments of both Vance and Rubio who had clearly stated “If you committed violence on that day, obviously you shouldn’t be pardoned.” Of course Trump being Trump did it anyway.

 

 

 

Really?!  Now you are going to start cherry picking whose pardons/clemency were the worst?  That's just ridiculous, plain and simple.

2 hours ago, kimothai said:

Really?!  Now you are going to start cherry picking whose pardons/clemency were the worst?  That's just ridiculous, plain and simple.

Why not?

 

Trump pardoned ALL OF the Jan 6th rioters, even the ones who violently assualted Washington police. Give me an example of when Biden did anything like that?

23 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

First of all it wasn't '4,000 more than Trump'. It was 4,000 in total against Trumps 1,600 i.e 2,400 more. Also and very importantly, they weren't all pardons. He only pardoned 80. The rest was clemency to provide 'relief for individuals who received lengthy sentences based on discredited distinctions between crack and powder cocaine, as well as outdated sentencing enhancements for drug crimes," he said.  "This action is an important step toward righting historic wrongs, correcting sentencing disparities, and providing deserving individuals the opportunity to return to their families and communities after spending far too much time behind bars," he added.  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/biden-record-most-pardons-commutations-2500-nonviolent-drug-offenses-rcna188081

 

They was absolutely nothing 'corrupt' in this. Quite the opposite in fact. He was righting the wrongs many people suffered through excessive sentencing wherein Trump pardoned ALL of the Jan 6th rioters irrespective of the severity of their crimes and against the sentiments of both Vance and Rubio who had clearly stated “If you committed violence on that day, obviously you shouldn’t be pardoned.” Of course Trump being Trump did it anyway.

 

 

 

 

19 hours ago, kimothai said:

Really?!  Now you are going to start cherry picking whose pardons/clemency were the worst?  That's just ridiculous, plain and simple.

You don't have to, it has been done for you.

56 minutes ago, stevenl said:

 

You don't have to, it has been done for you.

Done by lefties to serve lefty agenda. No thanks 

39 minutes ago, kimothai said:

Done by lefties to serve lefty agenda. No thanks 

So you're better of sticking to your uninformed opinion.

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21 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So you're better of sticking to your uninformed opinion.

Not really.  I just don't trust the opinion of the side that thinks/thought DEI, mass importing of murders & rapists which endangered the lives of every American and allowing men in women's sports as a reliable opinion.  Nothing personal but thanks but NO THANKS!