1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

Not for the first time I've had to remind you of this:-
 

• Michael Flynn, Trump's national security adviser who pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia during Trump's presidential transition. 
• Rick Gates, the former deputy chairman of Trump's campaign who pleaded guilty to conspiracy against the United States and lying to investigators.
• Konstantin Kilimnik, a Manafort aide in Ukraine who was charged with tampering with witnesses about their past lobbying for Ukraine's former pro-Russian government. 
• George Papadopoulos the former Trump campaign adviser was sentenced to prison after pleading guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russian official. 
• Alex Van Der Zwaan who once worked closely with Manafort and Gates, Van Der Zwaan pleaded guilty to lying to Mueller's investigators about contacts with a Trump campaign official. Van Der Zwaan, the Dutch son-in-law of one of Russia's richest men, was sentenced to prison and fined $20,000. 
• Richard Pinedo who pleaded guilty to identity fraud in a case related to the Mueller investigation for helping Russian conspirators launder money, purchase Facebook ads and pay for supplies.
• 12 Russian intelligence officers who were indicted by a federal grand jury accused of hacking the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party organizations as part of a Russian scheme to release emails damaging to Clinton during the 2016 race.
• 13 Russians and three Russian companies were indicted in Mueller's investigation accused of taking part in an elaborate campaign to sow discord in the United States ahead of the 2016 election and harm Clinton's candidacy in order to boost Trump.

But back to the Epstein files which are much more fun 😁

I liked that so much i though I would repost it for anyone who missed it first time around. 😁

6 minutes ago, paddypower said:

that is not a serious question. it is a deflection. You have deflected to this direction 2 or 3 times, to a question which nobody can answer. Karolyn Leavitt does this all the time. She is really good at ignoring the laws of logic, which do not fit her narrative - such as insisting that the true wrongdoers were Biden and the Democrats. I pity anyone who believes anything coming out of her mouth as true

 

My sympathies, I understand these truths are a bit awkward for you. A bit "inconvenient"  😆

Just now, Thingamabob said:

Fact is there is no evidence of wrongdoing by Trump. Get used to it.

how can you say ''it's a fact'' with absolute certainty when there's a ton of unreleased evidence, emails, photos, videos? repeating this endlessly can cause the open mind to die from lack of nourishment or to go into a vegetative state of cultism. 

24 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

So what ?

Typical response.
15 year old girls are accusing him of inappropriate behavior and that only gets a “so what” from you. 
It’s this kind of low morality (or complete lack of) and incredibly low bar for personal indiscretions that goes to the very heart of MAGA. 

9 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The woman involved in this email has already testified that to her knowledge Trump behaved professionally and she didn't witness any criminality. This is a red herring given to the press from the Democrats in the House Oversight Committee.

I am sure for hours, they were discussing the economy.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

I have always said I want everyone involved brought to justice.

 

Not just a couple of sacrificial lambs. 

 

But if you think punishing Maxwell is sufficient, then yes perhaps I was overestimating you. 

No I don’t think putting Maxwell in a low security detention center is enough.

 

Isn’t it time for another of your off topic, something about Biden, deflection memes?

 

 

1 hour ago, Wingate said:

Do you know why the term "alleged" is used?

 

The term is used for cases not yet fully adjudicated. For example, Trump is alleged to have stolen classified documents, stored them at Mar-a-Lago in a non-SCIF, and then lied about returning them all. It is "alleged" because Judge Cannon never allowed it to go to trial, where it would likely have been a slam dunk conviction.

 

OTOH, Trump is not an "alleged" felon, but a genuine felon (34 felony convictions) as well as not an "alleged" sexual assaulter, but a civilly convicted sexual assaulter.

 

Get the difference?

Got it.  I also see that the lefty snowflakes are still angry because thought Trump would never become POTUS because of his felony conviction.  Little did they know that Trump would take that felony conviction and shove it so far up lefty's a*s that they can taste it.  Bon appetite........allegedly

1 hour ago, candide said:

Lol! The emails shown are not "alleged"! 

LOL They suggested.  good luck with that.

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

What is your preferred medium of choice? Pretty sure we can get you that since it’s literally on every news station across the world. 
Or you could just stick your fingers in your ears and loudly shout “la, la, la, not listening. Not listening”

Just read the article.  It full of suppositions.  Just because you want it to be true doesn't make it so.

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

Fact is there is no evidence of wrongdoing by Trump. Get used to it.

 

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Some only say there’s no evidence after deciding they won’t accept any.
And when you’re claiming a fact, shouldn’t it be supported by a reliable source?

 

 

13 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The only questions about the relationship, are ones that are stirred up by Trump's continuous denials and continuous lies about how close they were. They were best buddies for two decades, there is plenty of evidence to point toward Epstein having visited Trump's office over 100 times, and Trump having visited Epstein's office over 100 times, in addition to Trump visiting the mansion countless times and likely visiting orgy Island many times.

 

Trump is guilty as sin and it's just a question of proving it, however that won't mean anything to his supporters as they've given him a free pass on everything. 

 

 

 

Jealous?

 

 

13 minutes ago, Keeenok Powell said:

 

Absolutely not, I wouldn't trade my life for his for all the money in the world. Based on his disposition he wakes up every morning with a sour taste in his mouth, and a black heart and feels the need to take that out on absolutely everyone. He is an incredibly miserable man. 

 

I'll take my life and a little bit of financial stress that I have over his any day of the week. 

That's why Epstein died in jail in a "suicide", because he knew where all the bodies are buried... not just Trump, but lots of others too like the Clintons, Andrew MW, Gates et al.

 

6 hours ago, kimothai said:

All I had to do was read the headline saying "alleged" and then seeing it was written by "CNN" biased/fake news.  No need to read any further.

Don’t worry there’s plenty of time to enjoy the destruction of Trump by his attempts to cover up the Epstein Files.

 

This isn’t going to end well for him or the Republicans who back him.

18 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

there is plenty of evidence to point toward Epstein having visited Trump's office over 100 times, and Trump having visited Epstein's office over 100 times, in addition to Trump visiting the mansion countless times and likely visiting orgy Island many times.

"...in addition to Trump ... likely visiting orgy Island many times".

 

No, there is not.   There has bnever been any evidence that President Trump visited the island.

18 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Trump is guilty as sin

Guilty of what, specifically?

Why isn't this man (the one on the left) smiling?  Why is the other man so happy?

 

Quote

“Do the Russians have stuff on Trump? Today was appalling even by his standards,” wrote Larry Summers, the former Clinton administration Treasury secretary and Obama administration economic adviser, in an email to Epstein on July 16, 2018, the day of the Helsinki summit with Putin.

“My email is full with similar comments. wow,” Epstein replied the next day. “Im sure his view is that it went super well. he thinks he has charmed his adversary.. Admittedly he has no idea of the symbolism. He has no idea of most things.” He also called Trump’s handling of the summit with Putin “predictable.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/12/jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump-russia-emails-00648919

 

Leonard Cohen wrote "There is a crack in everything, that's how the light gets in."

Helsinki is the crack waiting expand.  

Hey JD, why so quiet these days?  😊

It's not that I think JD would be a decent president (no effing way).  The positive would be that he doesn't have the blackmail hold on the GOP and the religious-fanatical hold on the MAGA crowd.  He would probably have a dedicated telephone line to his master.

 

7 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"...in addition to Trump ... likely visiting orgy Island many times".

 

No, there is not.   There has bnever been any evidence that President Trump visited the island.

Do you know the difference between 'likely' and 'proven'?

21 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

I certainly do.

 

Biden didn't.

 

I wonder why...

When/if we will find out why; when a dam breaks all the water comes out, not just the bits you want to release!

 

For once, unusually, I agree with you. It will be interesting.

 

Personally I think the likely clear out of many of the "great and the good", the wealthy, influential and their "hangers on", not just in the USA, would be rather cathartic, fresh start and all that!

 

Epstein was a vile man, but his "legacy" could be remarkable.

Oh Oh, Maybe teflon Trump is not so teflon after all.

I have always wondeered just how innocent Trump was.

I guess time will be needed for all the truths to come out.

   Nope I am not a Trump supporter.

8 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Guilty of what, specifically?

Sexual abuse.

Just release the darn files nothing to hide nothing to fear get it done!

It must be fake news, Trump is a pure honest totally respectful devote Christian; he would never commit any sins or do anything that is condemned in the Bible.

 

Trump is the personification of God.

 

And if you believe the above, you must be a satanic MAGA supporter and/or GOP voter.

 

 

On 11/12/2025 at 3:46 PM, spidermike007 said:

The only questions about the relationship, are ones that are stirred up by Trump's continuous denials and continuous lies about how close they were. They were best buddies for two decades, there is plenty of evidence to point toward Epstein having visited Trump's office over 100 times, and Trump having visited Epstein's office over 100 times, in addition to Trump visiting the mansion countless times and likely visiting orgy Island many times.

 

Trump is guilty as sin and it's just a question of proving it, however that won't mean anything to his supporters as they've given him a free pass on everything. 

 

 

 

 

 

Why?  There is nt a child anongst them in this picture……just a gaggle of beautiful women, who let him ‘grab them by their P…….ys

15 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No I don’t think putting Maxwell in a low security detention center is enough.

 

You seemed to think giving her 20 years was enough to deflect away from your Democrat mates like "hands on" creepy Joe.

 

15 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

Isn’t it time for another of your off topic, something about Biden, deflection memes?

 

 

Well, since we're on the subject.

 

23 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So that they can become the targets of credibility attacks?

 

Let’s have the documents in the files.

 

Do you support the full release of the Epstein Files? 

Of course and along with the victims testimonies, adios Trump, Clinton, etc.  By the way, my first dog was named Chomper.  He used to bite everyone except me.

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

You seemed to think giving her 20 years was enough to deflect away from your Democrat mates like "hands on" creepy Joe.

 

 

Well, since we're on the subject.

 

You really should try to inform yourself on what’s going on right now before posting nonsense.

 

 

5 minutes ago, koolkarl said:

By the way, my first dog was named Chomper.  He used to bite everyone except me.

 

Probably rabid.

 

I'm sure the dog was OK though. 

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You really should try to inform yourself on what’s going on right now before posting nonsense.

 

 

 

I'm up on the latest "news" Chomps although I read it on the BBC so I need to double check it with an honest organization.