3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Do you know the difference between 'likely' and 'proven'?

If it's likely with Trump that it actually happened, and it barely has to be proven. The man is guilty as they come, you can see it written all over his face.

 

He's lived a life of perversion, decadence, immorality, crimes, robbery of small contractors being his M.O., and has likely participated in countless violations of young women along the WAY, that's just who he is. 

 

 

17 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Typical response.
15 year old girls are accusing him of inappropriate behavior and that only gets a “so what” from you. 
It’s this kind of low morality (or complete lack of) and incredibly low bar for personal indiscretions that goes to the very heart of MAGA. 

Rubbish. No 15 year old girls are accusing him of inappropriate behaviour. Stick to the facts.

17 hours ago, paddypower said:

how can you say ''it's a fact'' with absolute certainty when there's a ton of unreleased evidence, emails, photos, videos? repeating this endlessly can cause the open mind to die from lack of nourishment or to go into a vegetative state of cultism. 

Utterly ridiculous.

6 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Rubbish. No 15 year old girls are accusing him of inappropriate behaviour. Stick to the facts.

Maybe no 15-year-olds, but Katie Johnson was only 13 years old.

1 minute ago, Thingamabob said:

Rubbish. No 15 year old girls are accusing him of inappropriate behaviour. Stick to the facts.

'Teen Beauty Queens Say Donald Trump Walked in on Them Changing When They Were as Young as 15' -  https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-walks-in-miss-teen-usa-contestants-changing/

 

'Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant said Donald Trump walked into the dressing room while contestants — some as young as 15 — were changing'  https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kendalltaggart/teen-beauty-queens-say-trump-walked-in-on-them-changing

 

'Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant said Donald Trump walked into the dressing room while contestants — some as young as 15 — were changing.

"I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, ‘Oh my god, there’s a man in here,’ " said Mariah Billado, the former Miss Vermont Teen USA. Trump, she recalled, said something like, "Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before."  https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/oct/18/allegations-about-donald-trump-and-miss-teen-usa-c/

 

And the of course you also have your run of the mill sexual preditor stuff from other, older women:- 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-miss-usa-dressing-room-2001-rehearsal

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/four-women-accuse-trump-inappropriately-touching-them-years-apart-reports-n665491

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/a-timeline-of-donald-trumps-creepiness-while-he-owned-miss-universe-191860/

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/factbox-women-who-have-accused-trump-of-inappropriate-conduct-idUSKBN1E52JU/

 

But yeah, nothing to see here.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

You seemed to think giving her 20 years was enough to deflect away from your Democrat mates like "hands on" creepy Joe.

 

 

Well, since we're on the subject.

 

Your obsession with Biden is truly something to behold. In whatever metric you care to choose, any accusations of inpropriatory for Biden pales into insignificence compared to Trump. Even your photo can be intrepreted as just an old man talking closely to a young lady - there's no need to try and make this look like anything else UNLESS you are obsessed with Biden and want to try and detract from Trumps much, much worse - and well documated - behaviour.

 

Give it a rest son. You're not fooling anyone.

The number of despicable MAGAs on here defending child rapists is astonishing.

 

What self-respecting website would allow such low-lifes to continue to post in defense of child rape?

4 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

The number of despicable MAGAs on here defending child rapists is astonishing.

 

What self-respecting website would allow such low-lifes to continue to post in defense of child rape?

 

What I find encouraging is the fact that many MAGAs in the US are in favour of the List being released.  Perhaps those MAGAs in this Forum just enjoy sh*t stirring!

5 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Your obsession with Biden is truly something to behold. In whatever metric you care to choose, any accusations of inpropriatory for Biden pales into insignificence compared to Trump. Even your photo can be intrepreted as just an old man talking closely to a young lady - there's no need to try and make this look like anything else UNLESS you are obsessed with Biden and want to try and detract from Trumps much, much worse - and well documated - behaviour.

 

Give it a rest son. You're not fooling anyone.

 

They are far worse than Trump's pictures on page 1 of the thread. The girls in Trump's pics look over 18 and enjoying themselves. The girl in Biden's pic is about 13 and clearly repulsed by him.

 

Awfully creepy. 🤮

3 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

The number of despicable MAGAs on here defending child rapists is astonishing.

 

What self-respecting website would allow such low-lifes to continue to post in defense of child rape?

As I said in a previous post, it’s this kind of low morality (or complete lack of) and incredibly low bar for personal indiscretions that goes to the very heart of MAGA. They really can't see ANY fault in their leader and it would be my guess that even if the files (or other evidence) show unequivacal and undisputable evidence damning Trump for the sexual preditor he is, many posters on here would flatly refuse to believe it and would still come out and defend him.

 

And they wonder why they get called a cult.  

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

What I find encouraging is the fact that many MAGAs in the US are in favour of the List being released.  Perhaps those MAGAs in this Forum just enjoy sh*t stirring!

 

Maybe they know the list will include prominent people from both sides and care more about justice then petty political point scoring?

 

A strange concept to a leftist I know. 

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

They are far worse than Trump's pictures on page 1 of the thread. The girls in Trump's pics look over 18 and enjoying themselves. The girl in Biden's pic is about 13 and clearly repulsed by him.

 

Awfully creepy. 🤮

 

Rather desperate to try and bring Biden into this!  Clinton maybe, but Biden was and is just a senile old man.

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

They are far worse than Trump's pictures on page 1 of the thread. The girls in Trump's pics look over 18 and enjoying themselves. The girl in Biden's pic is about 13 and clearly repulsed by him.

 

Awfully creepy. 🤮

Where's that eye-roll emoji? 

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Rather desperate to try and bring Biden into this!  Clinton maybe, but Biden was and is just a senile old man.

They pray, hope and wish

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Rather desperate to try and bring Biden into this!  Clinton maybe, but Biden was and is just a senile old man.

 

Yet he didn't release the list. Weird huh.

 

Let's see who is on it before you go too far defending your cult leader. 

Just now, johnnybangkok said:

Where's that eye-roll emoji? 

 

🙄

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Maybe they know the list will include prominent people from both sides and care more about justice then petty political point scoring?

 

A strange concept to a leftist I know. 

 

So, you're in favour of the list being released?  I'm impressed. 👍

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

So, you're in favour of the list being released?  I'm impressed. 👍

 

Yes I told you that yesterday. 

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

Yet he didn't release the list. Weird huh.

 

Let's see who is on it before you go too far defending your cult leader. 

I couldn't stand Biden and blame him for not giving the Dems more time to select a decent candidate for the election.  I'm not American either - Keir is my leader 😀

29 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Maybe no 15-year-olds, but Katie Johnson was only 13 years old.

Remind me. I don't remember this case.

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yet he didn't release the list. Weird huh.

 

Let's see who is on it before you go too far defending your cult leader. 

This has been explained to you on numerous occassions but I can't be bothered to explain it all again so I'll let Grok do it.

'Joe Biden, as president, could not unilaterally release the Jeffrey Epstein files due to legal and procedural constraints. The Epstein files, which include grand jury testimony, investigative records, and other sensitive materials, are subject to strict federal and state laws governing sealed documents, particularly those involving minors or ongoing investigations. Here’s why:

 

• Grand Jury Secrecy: Much of the Epstein-related material, such as grand jury testimony, is protected under federal and state laws (e.g., Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6(e) and Florida’s grand jury secrecy laws). Releasing such records requires court approval, and judges often deny requests to unseal them to protect witnesses, victims, and the integrity of investigations. For example, a Florida judge rejected a request to unseal Epstein’s grand jury records in July 2025, citing state guidelines.
• Victim Privacy and Sensitive Content: The files contain sensitive information, including details about Epstein’s victims, many of whom were minors, as well as explicit material like child sexual abuse imagery. Releasing such documents risks violating victim privacy and could cause harm, which courts and the Justice Department prioritize avoiding.
• No Political Authority to Override: The Department of Justice (DOJ) operates independently on matters of sealed investigative files. Even as president, Biden could not directly order the DOJ to release sealed documents without judicial approval. Doing so could be seen as politicizing the DOJ, which Biden avoided to maintain its independence.
• Lack of Political Incentive: Some sources suggest Biden had no clear political reason to push for the release of the files, especially if they contained no incriminating evidence against political rivals or if they implicated figures across party lines. Releasing them could have fueled conspiracy theories without clear public benefit.
• Ongoing Legal Processes: During Biden’s presidency (2021–2025), Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial and appeal were ongoing, and some documents remained sealed to avoid interfering with her legal proceedings. For instance, Maurene Comey, a prosecutor in the Epstein and Maxwell cases, argued against releasing investigative files in 2024 to protect Maxwell’s appeal process.
• While nearly 1,000 pages of Epstein-related documents were unsealed in January 2024 under Biden’s administration, these were court-ordered releases from a settled defamation lawsuit, not a comprehensive disclosure of all investigative files. The broader “Epstein files” remained under seal due to the reasons above, and any release would have required navigating complex legal hurdles, which the Biden administration did not aggressively pursue. Critics argue this was a missed opportunity, but supporters note Biden’s restraint avoided politicizing a sensitive case.

There's also this  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/8/6/fact-check-did-democrats-take-action-over-epstein-case-transparency

 

Now no one is saying there isn't stuff in there that would be highly embarassing for many Dems (I bet Clinton is sweating buckets right now) but there definately WAS legal issues in releasing the files so now can you give the 'why didn't the Dems release the files' nonsense a rest?

30 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

'Teen Beauty Queens Say Donald Trump Walked in on Them Changing When They Were as Young as 15' -  https://people.com/politics/donald-trump-walks-in-miss-teen-usa-contestants-changing/

 

'Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant said Donald Trump walked into the dressing room while contestants — some as young as 15 — were changing'  https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kendalltaggart/teen-beauty-queens-say-trump-walked-in-on-them-changing

 

'Four women who competed in the 1997 Miss Teen USA beauty pageant said Donald Trump walked into the dressing room while contestants — some as young as 15 — were changing.

"I remember putting on my dress really quick because I was like, ‘Oh my god, there’s a man in here,’ " said Mariah Billado, the former Miss Vermont Teen USA. Trump, she recalled, said something like, "Don’t worry, ladies, I’ve seen it all before."  https://www.politifact.com/article/2016/oct/18/allegations-about-donald-trump-and-miss-teen-usa-c/

 

And the of course you also have your run of the mill sexual preditor stuff from other, older women:- 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-miss-usa-dressing-room-2001-rehearsal

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/four-women-accuse-trump-inappropriately-touching-them-years-apart-reports-n665491

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/a-timeline-of-donald-trumps-creepiness-while-he-owned-miss-universe-191860/

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/factbox-women-who-have-accused-trump-of-inappropriate-conduct-idUSKBN1E52JU/

 

But yeah, nothing to see here.

Indeed. Nothing of any significance here. 

20 hours ago, Wydahoan said:

I’m sorry, but I haven’t read that. 

Epstein about Trump: "Epstein wrote: “He feels alone and is nuts!!! I told everyone from day one. Evil beyond belief. Mad, and most thought I was speaking metaphorically. It’s obvious he could crack. Stormy Daniels? Lies after lies after lies.” 

Donald Trump gets a new nickname after Epstein emails released by Democrats

 

 

1 minute ago, Thingamabob said:

Indeed. Nothing of any significance here. 

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

3 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Remind me. I don't remember this case.

In April 2016, an anonymous woman using the pseudonym "Katie Johnson" filed a lawsuit in California accusing both Trump and Jeffrey Epstein of forcibly raping her when she was 13 years old at underage sex parties at Epstein's Manhattan residence in 1994. The case was dismissed the following month. A second version of the lawsuit was filed in New York in June by the same woman as "Jane Doe" claiming to have been raped and sexually assaulted by the pair at four 1994 parties when she was 13. The lawsuit was refiled in September, and on November 2, Doe was scheduled to appear at a press conference at the office of Lisa Bloom before abruptly canceling; Bloom said Jane Doe had received multiple threats.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

28 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Your obsession with Biden is truly something to behold. In whatever metric you care to choose, any accusations of inpropriatory for Biden pales into insignificence compared to Trump. Even your photo can be intrepreted as just an old man talking closely to a young lady - there's no need to try and make this look like anything else UNLESS you are obsessed with Biden and want to try and detract from Trumps much, much worse - and well documated - behaviour.

 

Give it a rest son. You're not fooling anyone.

There is no well-documented misbehaviour by Trump.

1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

No idea what this is about/means.

2 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Indeed. Nothing of any significance here. 

Pedophile protection racket. 

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Pedophile protection racket. 

Kindly explain. Fact, there is no evidence whatsoever of pedophilic activity by Trump.

Oooh...  Looks like HRC's affair with one of the Clinton body count has been revealed.

 

Betcha the Dems didn't expect that.

Clinton Body Count: Epstein Email to Disgraced Journalist Alleges Hillary Had Sexual Affair with ‘Suicided’ Vince Foster

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/

 

Gotta love those wingnuts on the right...