8 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I've just tried it, it's still working on my side.

 

14 minutes ago, rumak said:

this content seems to not be available now .....  i never finished 

 

I watched it earlier today guys.

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

They are telling pokies; as these white coat charlatans usually do.

 

Sorry, your complete dismissal of the entire medical system as total quackery is getting tiresome and I won't be entertaining your nonsense any more.

 

Here, this is not for YOU since you are brainwashed past the point of no return, but anyone else who might be reading.

 

This doctor seems to have made a breakthrough in cancer therapy that would no longer necessitate radiation or chemotherapy. 

 

Some doctors are staying up until 3 AM to invent life-saving sh*t. And all you can do is continually belittle and degrade the entire medical establishment as though all they care about is $$$ and it's all useless and all fakery.

 

I've had enough of your nonsense. 

 

 

 

On 12/6/2025 at 9:51 AM, Red Phoenix said:

I pleaded with him not to take another injection, but other friends prevailed, and he took a second injection. He then developed a baseball-sized cancerous stomach tumor.

 

This is a fake story.

First of all, it probably takes months and months for baseball-sized tumor to form.

And second of all, vaccines do not cause tumors ever. 

Heart issues, yes. But not cancer. 

 

So the entire story is fake and made up.

Which means ALL the reports of "sudden deaths" by this blogger should assume to be made up. 

 

The FDA is not denying potential heart risks, but the risks are not what you anti-vaxxers are claiming. You are exaggerating the risks and making up false causations of illnesses that have nothing to do with the vaccine ie cancer. 

 

 

59 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I've just tried it, it's still working on my side.

 

i got it ,   thanks ...

On 12/6/2025 at 9:51 AM, Red Phoenix said:

'sudden unexpected deaths' obituaries from all over the globe (but mostly from US). 

 

I don't have the link handy, but from what I read on an FDA site I think is that whatever heart issues may have been caused by the vaccine, most people recovered from it.

 

I tend to believe their version of events more than your fear-mongering fake stories. 

 

 

58 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Sorry, your complete dismissal of the entire medical system as total quackery is getting tiresome and I won't be entertaining your nonsense any more.

 

Here, this is not for YOU since you are brainwashed past the point of no return, but anyone else who might be reading.

 

This doctor seems to have made a breakthrough in cancer therapy that would no longer necessitate radiation or chemotherapy. 

 

Some doctors are staying up until 3 AM to invent life-saving sh*t. And all you can do is continually belittle and degrade the entire medical establishment as though all they care about is $$$ and it's all useless and all fakery.

 

I've had enough of your nonsense. 

 

 

 

Oh dear!

 

Thanks for the vid link you posted. The vid itself was utter nonsense. The content just does not hold water. I'll tell you why Frogs Sir. They injected mucus into an egg. Good for them. After a bit of jiggery-pokery they arrived at a vial full of virus. This is simply not possible. In fact. I would call it fraudulent. Anyone familiar with lab procedures would say so.

 

This is the sort of nonsense science - even if it can be called that - that is giving white-coats such a bad press. And righty so. This anti-science rubbish has to be called out.

 

Now! A few truths for you Sir. There is no flu virus. The flu is not a disease. The flu is a set of symptoms signifying a body detoxification is in progress. There CANNOT be a vaccine to stop or lessen the effects of a virus causing flu.

 

There are things that can lessen and mitigate the symptoms, that can be unpleasant; I'll grant you that. But not with Big Pharma drugs. The way to avoid the flu, is to understand what causes the build up of toxicity. Understand what we, as individuals, have to do to avoid it altogether. Or, at least reduce the symptom's severity. Although that might not be possible; just depends. And yes! As you say, sunlight has an influence. All be it a minor role.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

 

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

All be it a minor role.

 

Minor role says you. 

 

Here, just did another search.

The cold weather constricting the blood vessels is something I hadn't thought about. 

 

Immune cells and infections ... ring a bell?

 

More quackery and nonsense from you. 

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

 

Minor role says you. 

 

Here, just did another search.

The cold weather constricting the blood vessels is something I hadn't thought about. 

 

Immune cells and infections ... ring a bell?

 

More quackery and nonsense from you. 

 

People get the flu, for various reasons. The smoke that was taken in months earlier. The dust that is everywhere during the summer months. Skin insults. Bad food etc.

 

If the body is in tip-top shape, it can often deal with the toxins as they arrive in real time. If it is not, then a seasonal detox is often the result.

 

i said why the autumn is the most common time to get the flu earlier in the topic.

 

Nature has the answers.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

And second of all, vaccines do not cause tumors ever. 

How do you know that Frogs Sir?

 

IMO, they do cause tumors. But, in saying that, one should try to understand why, and how, they appear in the body.

 

The ingredients of the vaccines are not always known. In fact it is not clear the anyone knows the complete list of entities in an mRNA vaxx. The body sees the insult as an invasion of poison. and sends in the troops to deal with the vial contents; Initially globulins. If the poison, just been injected, can't be eliminated, or nullified, they (the poisons) will be coated, and tucked away in the safest places. This can be the start of a tumor.

 

Nature has all the answers.

12 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

How do you know that Frogs Sir?

 

The authors of the Korean study that supposedly showed a link between the vaccine and cancer have denied it. It's one of those highly unreliable and flawed "associative studies" where increased ice cream sales in July cause an increase in shark attacks. 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/10/11/did-a-south-korean-study-really-claim-that-covid-19-vaccines-cause-cancer

 

Contrary to the claims circulating, the Korean researchers emphasised the limitations of their conclusions and denied offering any evidence of causality.

37 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

People get the flu, for various reasons. The smoke that was taken in months earlier. The dust that is everywhere during the summer months. Skin insults. Bad food etc.

 

If the body is in tip-top shape, it can often deal with the toxins as they arrive in real time. If it is not, then a seasonal detox is often the result.

 

i said why the autumn is the most common time to get the flu earlier in the topic.

 

Nature has the answers.

 

No - Autumn is the most common time for one very simple reason - Its when children return back to school after a long break. 

 

 

Jan-Feb is also another time for outbreak, but in the Southern Hemisphere... guess why ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Contrary to the claims circulating, the Korean researchers emphasised the limitations of their conclusions and denied offering any evidence of causality.

 

That doesn't matter... 

 

It matters that someone with halfwits grasp on medicine can state... Inject something, its not natural, its bad for you, the body doesn't like and it and sends it to a bad place and it grows into cancer...

 

... But not the same cancer, different types of cancer, that appear in completely different parts of the body - but it doesn't matter - the cancer is caused by the vaccine because its bad...    there - thats proof !!... 

7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

But not the same cancer, different types of cancer, that appear in completely different parts of the body - but it doesn't matter - the cancer is caused by the vaccine because its bad...    there - that's proof !!

Good to see you back Richard.

 

Cancer! Let's debate; why some are susceptible to getting them. Actual causes. Cures even.

 

Let's get to it Sir.

14 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

No - Autumn is the most common time for one very simple reason - Its when children return back to school after a long break. 

 

Jan-Feb is also another time for outbreak, but in the Southern Hemisphere... guess why ?

I could be reading between the lines wrongly Richard bro; but the above sounds like you think the flu is a tad contagious. Could one child pass something onto another?

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

And second of all, vaccines do not cause tumors ever. 

Heart issues, yes. But not cancer. 

 

Actually - the vaccines don't 'cause' heart issues either... 

 

Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and Pericarditis (inflammation of the lining around the heart) are common symptoms of the household cold, of Influenza, of Covid of many viral and bacterial attacks on the body...  

 

In all probability - you, I and anyone else reading this has suffered a mild form of either Myocarditis or Pericarditis or both as a result of illness. 

 

Given that on many occasions a vaccine will actually give a very tiny, lower dosage of the illness we are being protected against - in some cases the body's response is slight inflammation of the heart muscle and slight  inflammation of the lining around the heart... 

 

Anti-vaxxers have run with this because lets face it Myocarditis and Pericarditis are very 'medical sounding words' that any idiot can remember and regurgitate - but throw in mRNA and mix that with DNA and numbskulls who once woke up in biology class now have enough insufficient information to piece together a conspiracy theory to fool any other anti-vax idiot who never really knew what DNA or RNA is let alone spell out deoxyribonucleic or ribonucleic acid.... 

 

So.. for the record - causes of 'heart issues'...  and vaccines is extremely minute...  booze is far worse for the heart than a cold (just putting that into perspective).

 

The most common causes of Myocarditis:

1. Viral infections (by far the most common)

- Coxsackievirus

- Influenza

- COVID-19

- Adenovirus

- Epstein–Barr virus

  Often follows a recent cold, flu, or viral illness.

2. Bacterial infections

- Lyme disease

- Diphtheria

- Staphylococcus / Streptococcus (rare but serious)

3. Autoimmune & inflammatory diseases

- Lupus

- Rheumatoid arthritis

- Sarcoidosis

- Vasculitis

  The immune system attacks heart tissue.

4. Toxins & substances

- Alcohol (mainly chronic heavy use)

- Cocaine & amphetamines

- Certain chemotherapy drugs

- Heavy metals (rare)

5. Medications & immune reactions

- Some antibiotics

- Anti-seizure drugs

- Immune checkpoint inhibitors (cancer therapy)

- Very rarely: vaccines (mostly mRNA COVID vaccines, mild, short-lived)

6. Systemic illnesses

- Severe sepsis

- Thyroid disease (rare)

- Severe nutritional deficiencies

 

The most common causes of Pericarditis:

1. Viral infections (most common)

- Coxsackievirus

- Influenza

- COVID-19

- Echovirus

- Adenovirus

  (Often follows a recent “flu-like” illness).

2. Bacterial infections (less common, more serious)

- Tuberculosis (important worldwide)

- Pneumococcus

- Staphylococcus

3. Autoimmune & inflammatory diseases

- Lupus

- Rheumatoid arthritis

- Sjögren’s syndrome

- Vasculitis

Up to 50% of cases - presumed viral even if no virus is identified

7 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Good to see you back Richard.

 

Cancer! Let's debate; why some are susceptible to getting them. Actual causes. Cures even.

 

Let's get to it Sir.

 

 

It’s clearly due to vaccines..... When an injection miss-hits and goes straight into a secret lymphatic vessel, it rewires all the chemokines, which then inform the immune system that it’s Tuesday, triggering oncogenic mutation. That’s how biology works.... Those evil white coats just don’t want you to know it’s that simple...  

8 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Actually - the vaccines don't 'cause' heart issues either... 

 

Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and Pericarditis (inflammation of the lining around the heart) are common symptoms of the household cold, of Influenza, of Covid of many viral and bacterial attacks on the body...  

 

In all probability - you, I and anyone else reading this has suffered a mild form of either Myocarditis or Pericarditis or both as a result of illness. 

 

Given that on many occasions a vaccine will actually give a very tiny, lower dosage of the illness we are being protected against - in some cases the body's response is slight inflammation of the heart muscle and slight  inflammation of the lining around the heart... 

 

Anti-vaxxers have run with this because lets face it Myocarditis and Pericarditis are very 'medical sounding words' that any idiot can remember and regurgitate - but throw in mRNA and mix that with DNA and numbskulls who once woke up in biology class now have enough insufficient information to piece together a conspiracy theory to fool any other anti-vax idiot who never really knew what DNA or RNA is let alone spell out deoxyribonucleic or ribonucleic acid.... 

 

So.. for the record - causes of 'heart issues'...  and vaccines is extremely minute...  booze is far worse for the heart than a cold (just putting that into perspective).

 

The most common causes of Myocarditis:

1. Viral infections (by far the most common)

- Coxsackievirus

- Influenza

- COVID-19

- Adenovirus

- Epstein–Barr virus

  Often follows a recent cold, flu, or viral illness.

2. Bacterial infections

- Lyme disease

- Diphtheria

- Staphylococcus / Streptococcus (rare but serious)

3. Autoimmune & inflammatory diseases

- Lupus

- Rheumatoid arthritis

- Sarcoidosis

- Vasculitis

  The immune system attacks heart tissue.

4. Toxins & substances

- Alcohol (mainly chronic heavy use)

- Cocaine & amphetamines

- Certain chemotherapy drugs

- Heavy metals (rare)

5. Medications & immune reactions

- Some antibiotics

- Anti-seizure drugs

- Immune checkpoint inhibitors (cancer therapy)

- Very rarely: vaccines (mostly mRNA COVID vaccines, mild, short-lived)

6. Systemic illnesses

- Severe sepsis

- Thyroid disease (rare)

- Severe nutritional deficiencies

 

The most common causes of Pericarditis:

1. Viral infections (most common)

- Coxsackievirus

- Influenza

- COVID-19

- Echovirus

- Adenovirus

  (Often follows a recent “flu-like” illness).

2. Bacterial infections (less common, more serious)

- Tuberculosis (important worldwide)

- Pneumococcus

- Staphylococcus

3. Autoimmune & inflammatory diseases

- Lupus

- Rheumatoid arthritis

- Sjögren’s syndrome

- Vasculitis

Up to 50% of cases - presumed viral even if no virus is identified

 

Dr. Smith's insights are well noted.

 

Now let's hear Dr. McCullough's insights.

 

Dr. McCullough is an internist, cardiologist and epidemiologist. He has been broadly published, with over 700 citations in the National Library of Medicine. He has testified multiple times in the US Senate, House of Representatives, the European Parliament, and many state capitals concerning public health policy.

 

May 21, 2025, Dr. Peter McCullough was the lead witness on a historic US Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations:

The Corruption of Science and Federal Health Agencies: How Health Officials Downplayed and Hid Myocarditis and Other Adverse Events Associated with the COVID-19 Vaccines (Chairman Senator Ron Johnson, Ranking Member Senator Richard Blumenthal).

McCullough's comments are compiled in a payload of truth bombs regarding the dangers of COVID-19 vaccine myocarditis or heart damage caused by vaccination.

 

 

22 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I could be reading between the lines wrongly Richard bro; but the above sounds like you think the flu is a tad contagious. Could one child pass something onto another?

 

I’m not prepared to entertain a line of thought so profoundly misinformed that it confuses foundational properties of contagion with speculative fantasy.... This is not debate - it is conceptual debris...    Of course children do not transmit viruses - Viruses do not exist remember !!!! 

 

 

26 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I’m not prepared to entertain a line of thought

 

Yes...... we all can see that .   Somehow your silly name calling has lost all of its luster .   Back to copy and paste the already discredited Google Ai  lies and propaganda .   

Oh well..... keep trying to make yourself look smart with Ad hominem idiocy.

It is a free speech forum ..... 

And , get your flu shots and boosters .  Don't pay any attention to all the warnings.   Go for the jab .   Not so sure you should be doing that to your loved ones.   Maybe time you really tried listening to one of the videos just posted by rattlesnake .  

The batches are mostly the weak ones, here in Thailand.... you are indeed fortunate for that .

 

edit :  the Tina Peters video is very clear .  Up to you .

https://zerospike.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/My-Movie-45.m4v

8 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Now let's hear Dr. McCullough's insights.

 

The existence of rare vaccine-associated myocarditis was never denied, never concealed, and never ignored. What is disputed is the attempt to inflate a quantifiable, transient adverse event into a narrative of systemic corruption, while disregarding comparative risks, population-level benefits, and the extensive, transparent surveillance record.

In evidence-based medicine, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Appeals to authority, repetition in political settings, and emotive framing do not meet that standard.

 

And this is just another example of you overload the pages with copy and pasted videos, memes or websites that take time to assimilate, time to breakdown, pick apart and debunk because it will contain morsels of truth mixed in with deliberate misrepresentation, misunderstandings, outright lies and enough wording to offer the pretence of something valid... 

 

So... here's a quick take on that vidoe and thats all I'll give it becasue true to form - you just pile on video after video, webpage after webpage to conflate within an echo-chamber rather than inform:

 

While you seem to want to present Dr McCullough’s Senate testimony (video) as revelatory, the claims made simply reframe already well-documented vaccine adverse events as evidence of concealment, without substantiating that allegation. Vaccine-associated myocarditis was identified very early on through established pharmacovigilance systems, publicly acknowledged by regulators, incorporated into product warnings, and continuously analysed using active surveillance datasets across multiple countries.

The characterisation of this risk as “hidden” is therefore inconsistent with the transparent reporting record. Moreover, the testimony relies heavily on selective case series, biological speculation, and rhetorical extrapolation, rather than on large-scale population data, which consistently show that vaccine-associated myocarditis is rare, predominantly mild, and resolves in the vast majority of cases.

 

Critically, the video omits comparative risk, which is foundational to epidemiology. Multiple large cohort studies demonstrate that viral infections themself, such as SARS-CoV-2, carries a substantially higher risk of myocarditis, arrhythmias, heart failure, and thrombotic events than vaccination.

Claims regarding prolonged spike-protein persistence and widespread cardiac injury remain unproven and contested, lacking confirmation in robust, reproducible human studies.

While dissenting scientific opinions are legitimate, McCullough’s conclusions represent a minority interpretation that diverges from the consensus of cardiology societies, regulatory agencies, and international surveillance data.

 

Most importantly - Testimony before political bodies does not constitute scientific validation, and emotive framing cannot substitute for comprehensive risk–benefit analysis grounded in population-level evidence.

 

Now... Back to reality: you’ve almost certainly had mild myocarditis or pericarditis at some point - from a cold, the flu, or an allergic reaction - and never even knew it. These things happen all the time.

 

Yes, vaccines do carry a risk of myocarditis and pericarditis.... But should all vaccines be stopped because 1–2 per million might get a mild case? Keep in mind, over 95% of those are mild and self-limiting with rapid recovery. Do the maths: 5% of 1–2 per million? That’s 50–100 per billion. On a UK scale? 3–7 people nationwide. That’s not a risk, it’s a rounding error...

 

Meanwhile, the UK sees 245 myocardial infarctions per 100,000 per year - 166,600 heart attacks annually. You’re literally comparing a handful of mild vaccine cases to hundreds of thousands events. Not even the same universe.

 

This is why debating this stupidity is pointless. You latch onto a snippet of reality, inflate it into a catastrophe, and then demand a debate. You’re not debating - you’re juggling irrelevance while ignoring context, scale, and common sense. 

 

 

9 minutes ago, rumak said:

27 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I’m not prepared to entertain a line of thought

 

Yes...... we all can see that .   Somehow your silly name calling has lost all of its luster .   Back to copy and paste the already discredited Google Ai  lies and propaganda .   

Oh well..... keep trying to make yourself look smart with Ad hominem idiocy.

It is a free speech forum ..... 

And , get your flu shots and boosters .  Don't pay any attention to all the warnings.   Go for the jab .   Not so sure you should be doing that to your loved ones.   Maybe time you really tried listening to one of the videos just posted by rattlesnake .  

The batches are mostly the weak ones, here in Thailand.... you are indeed fortunate for that .

 

You were funny in the other thread about Cameroni's hooker - but this isn't the same.. 

 

You can't carry the conversation here... you lack the emotional maturity, knowledge and basic virological and biological comprehension to bring worthy debate.

 

When you have something decent - I might bother with it. 

 

Nothing wrong with Rattles videos - but they are incomplete (as I highlighted above - perfect for an echo-chamber audience not willing to question what they hear or the completeness of information - less so for those who understand that political testimony does not standup as scientific validation).

 

 

31 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

you just pile on video after video, webpage after webpage to conflate within an echo-chamber rather than inform

 

I post third-party videos occasionally and where relevant (recently, there were two in response to Mark Nothing, who was asking for information on the Spike protein, and one of Peter McCullough regarding heart damage in response to you), because I don't have an overinflated ego and therefore don't pretend this knowledge comes straight out of My Omniscient Mind – it's called giving credit where credit due, a fundamental principle for those who value honesty and humility. The forum users who copy/paste AI results as if they had spontaneously typed 400 words themselves in less than 10 minutes should know that their approach is very obvious and does not show them in a favourable light.

 

As for the rest of your diatribe, it is based on two flawed assuptions: that Covid vaccine-induced myocarditis is rare and mild – it is neither and you would know that if you stepped off your all-knowing pedestal for a brief minute.

 

I will conclude by posting a peer-reviewed study which has just been published, about the ravages of Covid vaccine-induced heart damage: some will read it, others will ask AI tools to debunk it for them, each to their own.

 

BREAKING: Peer-Reviewed Paper Finds mRNA “Vaccines” Convey Silent Heart Damage — Presents Approach to Diagnosis and Management

We present the first-ever paper to map the symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment of COVID-19 vaccine-induced subclinical myopericarditis — the silent condition driving “unexplained” sudden deaths.

 

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/breaking-peer-reviewed-paper-finds?r=14jb45

 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Nothing wrong with Rattles videos - but they are incomplete (as I highlighted above - perfect for an echo-chamber audience not willing to question what they hear or the completeness of information - less so for those who understand that political testimony does not standup as scientific validation).

 

They are much-needed counterpoints, we already know the other side of the debate – and its nefarious implications – all too well.

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

less so for those who understand that political testimony does not standup as scientific validation).

 

 

These political testimonies happen because there have been major red flags identified, which justify a thorough and transparent investigation – they aren't Sunday musings amongst people who have nothing better to do.

10 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

I post third-party videos occasionally and where relevant (recently, there were two in response to Mark Nothing, who was asking for information on the Spike protein, and one of Peter McCullough regarding heart damage in response to you), because I don't have an overinflated ego and therefore don't pretend this knowledge comes straight out of My Omniscient Mind – it's called giving credit where credit due, a fundamental principle for those who value honesty and humility. The forum users who copy/paste AI results as if they had spontaneously typed 400 words themselves in less than 10 minutes should know that their approach is very obvious and does not show them in a favourable light.

 

As for the rest of your diatribe, it is based on two flawed assuptions: that Covid vaccine-induced myocarditis is rare and mild – it is neither and you would know that if you stepped off your all-knowing pedestal for a brief minute.

 

I will conclude by posting a peer-reviewed study which has just come out, about the ravages of Covid vaccine-induced heart damage: some will read it, others will ask AI tools to debunk it for them, each to their own.

 

BREAKING: Peer-Reviewed Paper Finds mRNA “Vaccines” Convey Silent Heart Damage — Presents Approach to Diagnosis and Management

We present the first-ever paper to map the symptoms, diagnosis, and treatment of COVID-19 vaccine-induced subclinical myopericarditis — the silent condition driving “unexplained” sudden deaths.

 

https://www.thefocalpoints.com/p/breaking-peer-reviewed-paper-finds?r=14jb45

 

 

Just one point from a quick glance at that study: 

 

"Suggests that 1–3% of mRNA vaccine recipients may experience such silent myocardial injury per dose, which could scale to millions of cases when applied globally"  

 

The phrase “millions of silent myocardial injuries”  sounds terrifying - and that’s exactly why it gets repeated.... In medical terms, however, heart inflammation (myocarditis or minor cardiac injury) isn’t unique to vaccines and occurs commonly with viral illnesses, including influenza, the cold, and COVID‑19 itself. What matters most in understanding these findings is context, relative risk, and clinical impact, not sensational phrasing.

 

First, myocarditis after COVID‑19 infection is far more common than after vaccination. Large population data show the risk of myocarditis following SARS‑CoV‑2 infection is significantly higher - in some analyses many times greater - than the risk associated with COVID‑19 vaccines.

 

In England, researchers found the risk of myocarditis after a COVID‑19 infection was about 11x higher than after vaccination and that most cases were mild and resolved with time.

 

Comprehensive reviews also demonstrate that vaccine‑associated myocarditis is rare. Post‑vaccination myocarditis occurs in very small numbers - often measured in per millions of doses - and predominantly in younger males shortly after dosing. Even then, long‑term outcomes are generally favourable compared to myocarditis from viral infection.

 

One peer‑reviewed review contrasted myocarditis from COVID‑19 disease with post‑vaccine myocarditis, showing that disease‑related myocarditis happens more often and has worse clinical outcomes than vaccine‑associated cases. 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41541-024-00893-1

 

 

For perspective, public health surveillance and clinical registries support these general observations - that vaccine‑associated cardiac inflammation is rare, typically mild, and far outweighed by the greater risk posed by viral infection itself. The American Heart Association and peer‑reviewed studies consistently emphasise that while myocarditis can occur after vaccination, it remains an uncommon event and generally resolves without serious long‑term harm.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2022/08/220822091104.htm

 

It’s also important to recognise that the term “silent myocardial injury” can refer to minor, transient elevations in cardiac biomarkers or imaging changes that do not translate into meaningful disease or lasting damage. These subclinical lab findings are not equivalent to clinically significant heart disease.

 

Sensational language like “injury” without context conflates mild, self‑limited inflammatory responses - which are a normal part of how the immune system reacts.

 

In short: Many viral illnesses (flu, colds, COVID) can cause heart inflammation that is self‑resolving and unnoticed.

The risk of myocarditis after COVID‑19 infection is substantially higher than after vaccination.

Vaccine‑associated myocarditis is rare and typically mild, with good outcomes.

Headlines framing these as “millions injured” deliberately inflate concern without clinical context.

This isn’t fearmongering - it’s what large epidemiological studies and expert reviews show when you look at the actual risks and outcomes rather than dramatic headlines.

22 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

These political testimonies happen because there have been major red flags identified, which justify a thorough and transparent investigation – they aren't Sunday musings amongst people who have nothing better to do.

 

No - they happen because 'too many idiots have been influenced by idiots with a megaphone and now have a megaphone themsleves' (social media) - you called it yourself when claiming the overton window had been surpassed...

 

... It hasn't - its just more fools shouting loudly. 

 

What we are seeing isn’t a genuine shift in the Overton window, nor is it the emergence of new, credible evidence. It’s simply the amplification of noise. A relatively small number of poorly informed but highly motivated individuals have been given megaphones through social media, and they are now repeating claims loudly and relentlessly. Volume is being mistaken for validity. The fact that an argument is widespread or frequently repeated does not make it sound, only persistent.

 

The deeper problem is that once people commit to these narratives, being proven wrong doesn’t end the argument. Instead, the claim mutates. When myocarditis fails as a scare story, it becomes thrombosis; when thrombosis collapses under scrutiny, it becomes vague “silent injuries”; and when those are contextualised, the goalposts move again to some new, speculative harm. The pattern is consistent: assertion first, evidence later (if ever), followed by refusal to concede even when contradicted by data.

 

This creates a perverse dynamic where institutions and authorities are repeatedly pressured to “investigate” claims not because they are plausible, but because they are loud. Eventually someone in authority, fatigued by the noise or worried about optics, agrees to “take a look”, which is then misrepresented as validation. In reality, it’s an attempt to placate misinformation, not confirm it. The exercise becomes self‑perpetuating: attention rewards falsehood, and the loudest voices learn that persistence beats accuracy.

 

None of this reflects a genuine scientific controversy. It reflects a social one - where misinformation spreads faster than correction, and confidence is mistaken for competence. The tragedy isn’t that bad ideas exist; it’s that they now echo endlessly, immune to correction, long after they’ve been shown to be wrong.

 

... and the sad part is, even when proven completely wrong - they wont stop shouting - they'll just start complaining that vaccines cause life threatening ingrowing toenails or they cause bone-spur growth of the spine that can lead to paralysis...   anything that idiots will believe a speck of and shout louder and repeat...  

56 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

No - they happen because 'too many idiots have been influenced by idiots with a megaphone and now have a megaphone themsleves' (social media) - you called it yourself when claiming the overton window had been surpassed...

 

... It hasn't - its just more fools shouting loudly. 

 

What we are seeing isn’t a genuine shift in the Overton window, nor is it the emergence of new, credible evidence. It’s simply the amplification of noise. A relatively small number of poorly informed but highly motivated individuals have been given megaphones through social media, and they are now repeating claims loudly and relentlessly. Volume is being mistaken for validity. The fact that an argument is widespread or frequently repeated does not make it sound, only persistent.

 

The deeper problem is that once people commit to these narratives, being proven wrong doesn’t end the argument. Instead, the claim mutates. When myocarditis fails as a scare story, it becomes thrombosis; when thrombosis collapses under scrutiny, it becomes vague “silent injuries”; and when those are contextualised, the goalposts move again to some new, speculative harm. The pattern is consistent: assertion first, evidence later (if ever), followed by refusal to concede even when contradicted by data.

 

This creates a perverse dynamic where institutions and authorities are repeatedly pressured to “investigate” claims not because they are plausible, but because they are loud. Eventually someone in authority, fatigued by the noise or worried about optics, agrees to “take a look”, which is then misrepresented as validation. In reality, it’s an attempt to placate misinformation, not confirm it. The exercise becomes self‑perpetuating: attention rewards falsehood, and the loudest voices learn that persistence beats accuracy.

 

None of this reflects a genuine scientific controversy. It reflects a social one - where misinformation spreads faster than correction, and confidence is mistaken for competence. The tragedy isn’t that bad ideas exist; it’s that they now echo endlessly, immune to correction, long after they’ve been shown to be wrong.

 

... and the sad part is, even when proven completely wrong - they wont stop shouting - they'll just start complaining that vaccines cause life threatening ingrowing toenails or they cause bone-spur growth of the spine that can lead to paralysis...   anything that idiots will believe a speck of and shout louder and repeat...  

 

Okay, so you are framing this as "social media-fueled misinformation dissemination vs. thorough, evidence-based and factual science". According to your rationale, one of the consequences of this polar opposition is the inevitable politicisation of these false narratives, as they propagate like wildfire and therefore need to be addressed seriously, by the most trusted and reliable bodies of society… So far, I follow the reasoning.

 

However, one would posit this is where the charade ends, don't you think? It is reasonable to assume that half-truths and cherry-picked data can't withstand the test of time-tested processes such as Senate hearings. The implausibility of these loud, meme-driven falsehoods is bound to be exposed by methodology, thorougness and reasoned expertise.

 

But what if the unthinkable were to happen? Imagine if the virus of misinformation conspiracism were to contaminate even the uppermost layers of society… then what? It would be a civilisational threat, no doubt. But this would never happen, would it? For it is a nightmarish vision: a world where established and trustworthy media outlets push misinformation as if they were mere fearmongering YouTube conspiracy accounts. That sounds like a dystopian B-grade Sci-Fi movie, doesn't it?

 

I encourage you to read the below Reuters article attentively, and reflect on what it could entail. This is the same FDA and the same media which repeated ad nauseam for years that these vaccines were absolutely safe. What do you think is going on?

 

FDA intends to put most serious warning on COVID vaccines, CNN reports

 

Dec 12 (Reuters) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration intends to put a "black box" warning on COVID-19 vaccines, CNN reported on Friday, citing two people familiar with the agency's plans. The warning is the most serious type and highlights major risks such as severe side effects and restrictions.

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/fda-intends-put-most-serious-warning-covid-vaccines-cnn-reports-2025-12-12/

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Even amidst the torrent of insults, the venomous acrimony born of zero tolerance for peddlers of misinformation, there exists a level of malice that transcends mere verbal sparring - much of which I admit I have indulged in, often close to a line. But your comment… your comment is something far darker.

 

It exposes a soul devoid of conscience, a moral compass shattered beyond recognition. I can loathe the intellectual charlatanry flaunted by Red, Stiddle, Rumak and Rattle, and I will savage their comments as idiocy for riding the train of meme-fed falsehoods - but even then, there is a boundary, a line one does not cross.

 

You.... ?....  You have crossed it with gusto. Your words have revealed as loathsome spectacle of human degradation, the repulsive void of someone utterly morally bankrupt...

.....  What a truly nasty piece of work....

Report the Trump supporter

7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

However, one would posit this is where the charade ends, don't you think? It is reasonable to assume that half-truths and cherry-picked data can't withstand the test of time-tested processes such as Senate hearings. The implausibility of these loud, meme-driven falsehoods is bound to be exposed by methodology, thorougness and reasoned expertise.

 

I'll deal with this alone - No.. not senate hearings... 

 

The assumption that Senate hearings serve as some ultimate arbiter of truth is fundamentally flawed.

 

Senators are neither virologists nor doctors; their expertise lies in lawmaking and politics, not in the meticulous science of epidemiology or immunology. Expecting them to unearth the nuances of viral behaviour, experimental design, or medical data with the precision of trained scientists is naïve at best.

 

Hearings may showcase rhetoric, posturing, and grandstanding, but they do not substitute for the rigorous, methodical processes that actual experts use to validate claims. Methodology, thoroughness, and reasoned expertise cannot be conjured by soundbites, political theatre, or committee reports - they are the domain of those who live and breathe the science, not those who are paid to debate it.

 

In short, the “exposure” of falsehoods in a Senate hearing is largely performative; real scrutiny happens in laboratories, peer-reviewed journals, and the hands of professionals who understand what they are testing.

 

 

I am fully in favour of cross-checks, independent scrutiny, rigorous investigation, and transparency - and I  acknowledge that current systems fall short of what is needed; reforms in oversight, data access, and accountability are overdue. But let’s be honest: Senate hearings are largely theatrical exercises. They reward spectacle over substance, grandstanding over methodical inquiry, and carefully crafted soundbites over genuine expertise.

 

Senators are trained in lawmaking and politics, not in virology, epidemiology, immunology, or clinical research. They are not equipped to interpret statistical models of viral transmission, assess the methodology of randomised controlled trials, or critically evaluate peer-reviewed studies. Expecting them to “expose” scientific falsehoods in a setting constrained by political optics is unrealistic.

 

Real scientific scrutiny happens in laboratories, through peer review, and by experts who dedicate their careers to understanding complex biological systems - processes that are meticulous, time-consuming, and far removed from the performative theatrics of a congressional hearing.

 

Even well-intentioned hearings often result in cherry-picked questions, selective evidence, and politically driven conclusions. In short, treating them as a measure of truth is misguided.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Just one point from a quick glance at that study: 

 

"Suggests that 1–3% of mRNA vaccine recipients may experience such silent myocardial injury per dose, which could scale to millions of cases when applied globally"  

 

The phrase “millions of silent myocardial injuries”  sounds terrifying - and that’s exactly why it gets repeated.... In medical terms, however, heart inflammation (myocarditis or minor cardiac injury) isn’t unique to vaccines and occurs commonly with viral illnesses, including influenza, the cold, and COVID‑19 itself. What matters most in understanding these findings is context, relative risk, and clinical impact, not sensational phrasing.

 

But the commonly accepted ratio for severe vaccine side effects is approximately 0.1%.

 

Also, the Covid vaccine-induced myocarditis is not the same one as the one we were previously accustomed to. It is much more dangerous.