4 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Would that be considered "hate speech" and "radicalizing" followers? Would some of the people that agree with the Chief Rabbi's ideology be in the IDF now? 😂

Probably, just like there are White supremacists in Western Armies , and Arab Nationalists in Arab armies or Black power guys in the Nation of Islam .

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

That is one , ONE persons extreme opinion

To give some background: Ovadia Yosef, the former Chief Sephardic Rabbi, was 90 years old when he made that statement in 2010, three years before his death. He made some other inappropriate statements in his dotage.

This was embarrassing for the Israeli government and ultra orthodox Jews because Ovadia Josef had in his prime been a leading scholar and authority on Jewish religious law. He had been Chief Rabbi from 1974 to 1984. However, his opinion on gentiles was regarded as wrong and not typical of mainstream Jewish thought. His statement was condemned by Jewish groups.

ADL Slams Shas Spiritual Leader for Saying non-Jews 'Were Born to Serve Jews'

Rabbi Ovadia Yosef says in Saturday sermon that 'Goyim have no place in the world - only to serve the People of Israel'; ADL chief calls Yosef's words 'hateful' and 'divisive'.

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/2010-10-20/ty-article/adl-slams-shas-spiritual-leader-for-saying-non-jews-were-born-to-serve-jews/0000017f-db45-d3ff-a7ff-fbe547cd0000

14 hours ago, t0mt0m said:

I feel sorry for the victims of Holocaust but there were not only Jews. Also Poles, Russians, Romans, Serbs, Slovens, Spanish, plenty of minorities, disabled people, homosexuals - you name it.

All of us decided to move on after war and Nuremberg trials. Start to rebuild our countries, start a new lives. All of us except Jews who still considers themselves as the chosen ones, better than others, martyrs.

Vad Vashem, the World Holocaust Remembrance Center in Israel, honors non-Jewish victims of the Nazis. From its official Web site:

Non-Jewish Victims of Persecution in Germany

The Nazis considered certain groups to be a socio-racial “problem” to be expurgated from the German nation. Victims included Sinti and Roma, homosexuals, Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses and the disabled, some 200,000 of whom were murdered as part of the Euthanasia Program.

https://www.yadvashem.org/holocaust/about/nazi-germany-1933-39/non-jewish-victims.html

Vad Vashem also honors non-Jews who risked and often gave their lives attempting to help Jews escape the Holocaust. They are given the title, "Righteous Among the Nations," by the State of Israel. Of the 28,707 non-Jews awarded that title, more than one-fourth (7,318) were citizens of Poland. In contrast, only five U.S. citizens and 22 British subjects are included in the Righteous Among Nations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righteous_Among_the_Nations

Israel is clearly aware of the suffering, sacrifices and valiant efforts of thousands of Poles and other non-Jews during the Holocaust. Unfortunately, it's a historical reality that many more Nazi collaborators in Poland and other countries aided in the murder of Jews.

Jews do not believe that they are superior to non-Jews. The term "chosen people" refers to Jews chosen by God for a special religious covenant, not racial or ethnic superiority.

3 hours ago, t0mt0m said:

The leaders of your nation officially claims non-jews as goiys. Someone below the human. Someone who were born only to serve Jews, comparing us to animals. This is just an ideology embedded in your minds. Nazi ideology was also born in a twisted minds claiming some kind of superiority.

That's not true. As others have said, goy (singular) and goyim (plural), simply means "non-Jewish" or "gentile." It is not an official classification used by the Israeli government, nor does it necessarily carry any negative connotation. In Old Hebrew goy meant nation and could be used about Jews and non-Jews, but in time evolved to refer to gentiles.

However, some neo-Nazi groups have used the words "goy" or "goyim" for their own purposes. The Goyim Defense League and GoyimTV are examples.

https://forward.com/fast-forward/789913/nashville-jewish-community-center-sues-goyim-defense-league-over-alleged-campaign-of-intimidation/

13 hours ago, t0mt0m said:

. Everything always in the name of money (golden "mr. Goldberg and sons" rubs hands with joy) and ideologies. You using holocaust not as a thing that helps to remember and preserve history but as a bargaining chip to justify and legitimize all of the crimes you made throughout you history, not only now in Gaza strip. Disgusting.

It's very disturbing you have fallen back anti-Jewish tropes like "Money is everything'' and blaming Jews for their persecution. I would be very interested to hear what crimes "throughout you (sic) history" you believe Jews are responsible.

4 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

It's very disturbing you have fallen back anti-Jewish tropes like "Money is everything'' and blaming Jews for their persecution. I would be very interested to hear what crimes "throughout you (sic) history" you believe Jews are responsible.

On 1/13/2026 at 10:37 PM, KhunHeineken said:

So, they just go after the easy targets then. 🙂

Yes, they've killed mostly women and children.

13 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Jews do not believe that they are superior to non-Jews

Do they think they are better than Palestinians?

Do they spit on Christians?

In Israel, ‘animals in human form’ may be killed

Studies consistently show that Jewish Israelis view Palestinians as less than human. This deep-seated racism is rooted in the Zionist colonial project and helps explain the broad support for the Gaza genocide.

https://mondoweiss.net/2025/08/in-israel-animals-in-human-form-may-be-killed/

Human animals’: The sordid language behind Israel’s genocide in Gaza

https://jordantimes.com/opinion/ramzy-baroud/%E2%80%98human-animals%E2%80%99-sordid-language-behind-israels-genocide-gaza

On 1/14/2026 at 3:57 PM, JimCM said:

Yes, they've killed mostly women and children.

It's been reported that approximately two thirds of the dead are women and children, and the world sat back and did nothing about the slaughter.

On 1/14/2026 at 3:44 PM, Evil Penevil said:

It's very disturbing you have fallen back anti-Jewish tropes like "Money is everything''

I found this to be an interesting comment.

In relation to Thai people, we often hear the saying "Money Number One." Indeed, it is the source of some jest. It's posted here often, over a braod range of forums and threads.

However, if I was to post, for example, in relation to Jewish people, "Money Number One" it would be seen, as you say, "anti Jewish" or anti semetic.

I've watched some stand up comedians on Netflix specials who have said on stage they are Jewish, despite most people in the crowd and at home watching on TV, including myself, already knowing this, and they have made jokes about Jewish people and money.

Obviously, a Jewish person can not be anti semetic, well, I think they can't, but it interests me why they can crack a joke about it, for the world to see, and people can laugh about it, but if someone posts about it on this forum, it's anti Jewish / anti semetic.

I suppose it's a bit like the"N" word in America. Only African Americans are allowed to call people the "N" word because if a white person says it then it MUST be said in a racist way.

Who gets to say what words are racist or anti semetic, and in what context they are allowed or not allowed to say the EXACT same words in.

For me, it's a subject of interest, especially in the woke and PC era we live in, where many comedians are now saying the comedy stage is the only place left that allows freedom of speech.

I would be interested in your views on this.

On 1/14/2026 at 1:34 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

Probably, just like there are White supremacists in Western Armies , and Arab Nationalists in Arab armies or Black power guys in the Nation of Islam .

So, you would agree that there are some, if not many, IDF soldiers that may have a conflict of interests on the battlefield, thus, they may possibly commit war crimes.

I know this happens in every war, but not every war is fought in such a confined space, such as the Gaza strip. For such IDF soldiers, it certainly would be a target rich environment, and perhaps for many, the lines got blurred.

1 minute ago, KhunHeineken said:

but not every war is fought in such a confined space, such as the Gaza strip

Have a look at any war where you are involved inside a non ruined city!

Look at the troubles in Northern Ireland!

No comparison to the now ruined Gaza!

1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

So, you would agree that there are some, if not many, IDF soldiers that may have a conflict of interests on the battlefield, thus, they may possibly commit war crimes.

I know this happens in every war, but not every war is fought in such a confined space, such as the Gaza strip. For such IDF soldiers, it certainly would be a target rich environment, and perhaps for many, the lines got blurred.

Taking hostages is a war crime .

Hamas are the only ones who have committed war crimes in this war

35 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Taking hostages is a war crime .

Hamas are the only ones who have committed war crimes in this war

You haven't answered my question though, have you?

2 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Have a look at any war where you are involved inside a non ruined city!

Look at the troubles in Northern Ireland!

No comparison to the now ruined Gaza!

So you agree with me. Is that correct?

3 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

You haven't answered my question though, have you?

OK, first you admit that Hamas are war criminals who have committed many many war crimes since 2023 .

Once that has been established, then we can move on

9 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

So you agree with me. Is that correct?

NO!

Read my post and read the history about the contents!

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

OK, first you admit that Hamas are war criminals who have committed many many war crimes since 2023 .

Once that has been established, then we can move on

Both sides have committed war crimes. I have never for one minute condoned Hamas' attack. I'm not sure why you think I did, or would.

However, one side is decimated, with some of their leadership deceased, therefore, will never face justice in an international war crime hearing.

Meanwhile, Netanyahu and his cabinet continue to commit war crimes, with impunity.

Many Israeli's were protesting against him before the war, as he was on corruption charges and wanted to remove the power of the independent judicial system in Israel and give it to the politicians. They are protesting against him during the war. They will protest against him after the war, yet, you continue to defend his military and political stance.

Can you say why?

18 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

However, one side is decimated, with some of their leadership deceased, therefore, will never face justice in an international war crime hearing.

All those Palestinians who were involved with holding and taking hostages are war criminals and need to face justice .

There must be thousands of them and they all need to be killed .

They can not be allowed to commit war crimes without facing punishment

39 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

All those Palestinians who were involved with holding and taking hostages are war criminals and need to face justice .

There must be thousands of them and they all need to be killed .

They can not be allowed to commit war crimes without facing punishment

I trust the same will apply to the IDF, and the Israeli hierarchy, if they are convicted?

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I trust the same will apply to the IDF, and the Israeli hierarchy, if they are convicted?

IDF hasn't taken any hostages , so, the same will not apply

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

IDF hasn't taken any hostages , so, the same will not apply

There is also no moral equivalence. Hamas is a terrorist group, while the IDF is the military force of a sovereign state defending its citizens against attack.

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

IDF hasn't taken any hostages , so, the same will not apply

I place my trust in the World's court to make a judgement on War Crimes not either sides method of incarceration, legal or otherwise.

The latest figures released 26th September 2025, the Israel Prison Service (IPS) was holding 10,914 Palestinians in detention or in prison on what it defined “security” grounds, including 2,931 from the Gaza Strip. At that time, the IPS was also holding 1,983 Palestinians, 18 of them from the Gaza Strip, for being in Israel illegally.

In administrative detention, a person is held without trial without having committed an offense, on the grounds that he or she plans to break the law in the future. As this measure is supposed to be preventive, it has no time limit. The person is detained without legal proceedings, by order of the regional military commander, based on classified evidence that is not revealed to them. This leaves the detainees helpless – facing unknown allegations with no way to disprove them, not knowing when they will be released, and without being charged, tried or convicted.

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Taking hostages is a war crime .

Hamas are the only ones who have committed war crimes in this war

6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

IDF hasn't taken any hostages , so, the same will not apply

Israel has taken thousands of hostages. The only difference is they call it administrative detention. Nevertheless, there is no legal process, no time limit, no appeal.

I see no difference between Hamas and Israel.

16 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I see no difference between Hamas and Israel.

Here is some some help :

As America has been supporting this with massive arms deals in exchange, nothing much will change. Same for the European Union who is also giving a blind eye as nobody wants the entire population of the Gaza strip to land in Europe, for sure...

13 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

hearing.

Many Israeli's were protesting against him before the war, as he was on corruption charges and wanted to remove the power of the independent judicial system in Israel and give it to the politicians. They are protesting against him during the war. They will protest against him after the war, yet, you continue to defend his military and political stance.

Can you say why?

Hamas need to be defeated .

Israel needs to win this war .

Some Israelis my oppose Bibi , but not many oppose the war.

They understand that Hamas MUST be eliminated .

Corruption charges and the war are two different issues

8 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

There is also no moral equivalence. Hamas is a terrorist group, while the IDF is the military force of a sovereign state defending its citizens against attack.

This was correct 2 years ago, but not anymore.

26 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Hamas need to be defeated

Agree, there needs to be free and fair elections, not only in Gaza, but in all the "Occupied Territories" to establish a New Palestine Arab State.

30 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Israel needs to win this war .

Hopefully this will be the last conflict between the 2 States, Israel has not lost any of the previous conflicts, "Lawn Mowing Exercises", "Intifada's" since 1948.

Now must be the time for them to win the peace, look after their own and I hope the Arabs learn the lesson that attacking Israel as they have done isn't going anywhere to help their cause, if they want to be a Independent State.

42 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Some Israelis my oppose Bibi , but not many oppose the war.

They understand that Hamas MUST be eliminated .

Corruption charges and the war are two different issues

Netanyahu and the pro-settlement radicaliser's need to be defeated in the polls or jailed for Crimes Against Humanity, let the courts decide.

My view is that a clean slate with fresh political leaders for both sides is the only way to stop these forever Wars.

Hard work for both sides I know but what are the alternatives?

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Agree, there needs to be free and fair elections, not only in Gaza, but in all the "Occupied Territories" to establish a New Palestine Arab State.

Hopefully this will be the last conflict between the 2 States, Israel has not lost any of the previous conflicts, "Lawn Mowing Exercises", "Intifada's" since 1948.

Now must be the time for them to win the peace, look after their own and I hope the Arabs learn the lesson that attacking Israel as they have done isn't going anywhere to help their cause, if they want to be a Independent State.

Netanyahu and the pro-settlement radicaliser's need to be defeated in the polls or jailed for Crimes Against Humanity, let the courts decide.

My view is that a clean slate with fresh political leaders for both sides is the only way to stop these forever Wars.

Hard work for both sides I know but what are the alternatives?

Palestinians will never exist peacefully whilst Israel exists , they will just regroup, come back under different name and attack Israel again .

Israel's only hope of peaceful future is the voluntary emigration of all Palestinians .

You know that, as well as I do

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Palestinians will never exist peacefully whilst Israel exists , they will just regroup, come back under different name and attack Israel again .

Israel's only hope of peaceful future is the voluntary emigration of all Palestinians .

You know that, as well as I do

What a load of rot, now reverse your post, i.e. Israel will never exist peacefully whilst Palestine Arabs want a Independent State with no interference from Israel, which they should have, according to the majority of the UN signatories.

It's about time both sides got with the program and at least tried to live in peace rather than more years of death and destruction of both sides.

Israel cannot keep having it their way, it clearly hasn't worked since their inception, time to give a little, set up a modern settlement through dialogue, not constant war.

The Palestinian Arabs have had a real pasting this time and I think the time has come to see if another way is possible without more threats and fighting, the Arabs must realise this as well, but both sides have got to get on board, with the help of the World community.

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

What a load of rot, now reverse your post, i.e. Israel will never exist peacefully whilst Palestine Arabs want a Independent State with no interference from Israel, which they should have, according to the majority of the UN signatories.

It's about time both sides got with the program and at least tried to live in peace rather than more years of death and destruction of both sides.

Israel cannot keep having it their way, it clearly hasn't worked since their inception, time to give a little, set up a modern settlement through dialogue, not constant war.

The Palestinian Arabs have had a real pasting this time and I think the time has come to see if another way is possible without more threats and fighting, the Arabs must realise this as well, but both sides have got to get on board, with the help of the World community.

For the last 2 years weve been hearing about how Palestinins will never forget the war and that every Israeli bombing will just create more terrorists .

How every young Palestinian who lost family or his home will grow up wanting to take revenge on Israel .

How Israel was creating a new generation of terrorist with their bombing of Gaza .

Have those people now changed their minds ?

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

For the last 2 years weve been hearing about how Palestinins will never forget the war and that every Israeli bombing will just create more terrorists .

How every young Palestinian who lost family or his home will grow up wanting to take revenge on Israel .

How Israel was creating a new generation of terrorist with their bombing of Gaza .

Have those people now changed their minds ?

Whilst I agree with everything you say reference what the Israeli's have done over the past 2 years, I would hope that the more enlightened from both sides will see this merry-go-round has to stop sometime and another way found to move forward, this is perhaps that time.

With fresh elections on both sides well overdue, is there not a faint chance for a more civilised approach to the problem?