24 minutes ago, kwilco said:

"Billions are funnelled into these programmes. " - to what end? It makes no sense

I agree. Yet those billions are spent nonetheless. Google 'NASA budget', then check whether I am correct or not in my assertion that most of this money comes from the taxpayer.

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Oh there definitely are contraptions lifting off and travelling beyond visual range.

So where do they go and why?

Most moon landing deniers concentrate on the images from the moon – but you are saying the launches arereal? so the fake begins at what point?

31 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I agree. Yet those billions are spent nonetheless. Google 'NASA budget', then check whether I am correct or not in my assertion that most of this money comes from the taxpayer.

Well, I believe you are not – hilarious, yes; correct, no!

You have supplied no logical reason for the hypothesis.

3 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Well, I believe you are not – hilarious, yes; correct, no!

You have supplied no logical reason for the hypothesis.

What you believe is irrelevant.

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

What you believe is irrelevant.

so I guess the same applies to you?

38 minutes ago, kwilco said:

So where do they go and why?

Most moon landing deniers concentrate on the images from the moon – but you are saying the launches arereal? so the fake begins at what point?

They follow an arc and land in the ocean. No rocket launch has ever followed a vertical trajectory.

Just now, kwilco said:

so I guess the same applies to you?

Absolutely, but for the purpose of this exchange, I have provided you with a fact, i.e. billions of taxpayer money are used for the so-called 'NASA programmes' (at least $250 billion for the 'Apollo missions' alone).

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

provided you with a fact,

as soon as you use the word "fact", your credibility (or whatever was left) dissolves

9 hours ago, kwilco said:

as soon as you use the word "fact", your credibility (or whatever was left) dissolves

The megablockbuster Artemis II hits screens this April, featuring a more diverse cast designed to resonate with every viewer.

On 3/20/2026 at 8:55 PM, rattlesnake said:

travelling beyond visual range.

So other ranges of detection don't work? Like a magician, it's a bit difficult to hide a "contraption" that size, or do they rely on trompe l'oeil?

still awaiting clarification on when real stops and hoax begins

Ah yes, the “everything is fake but somehow still works perfectly” school of thought. Always a classic.

Let me get this straight: the Apollo 11 Moon Landing—along with every other Apollo mission—was a hoax… but also every modern lunar programme, including Artemis program and China’s Chang'e program, are hoaxes too. The launchings and lead up are real and everything after that is fake?

 

So decades apart, across rival superpowers, with completely different technology stacks… all fake. Coordinated flawlessly. For what, exactly—fun?

And we’re meant to believe that thousands of engineers, scientists, contractors, and international tracking stations have all kept this secret for over half a century. Not one credible leak. Not one deathbed confession. Not one rival nation exposing it for the biggest geopolitical win in history. Remarkable discipline for a species that can’t even keep a new iPhone secret for a week.

 

The “they just roll out contraptions and drop them in the ocean” line is particularly impressive. Apparently, rockets don’t go up—they just… arc politely out of sight and vanish into a watery grave. Which is awkward, because independent observers across the globe—amateur astronomers, universities, and even hobbyists with radio gear—regularly track spacecraft well beyond “visual range.” But sure, they’re all either in on it or too dim to notice. Convenient.

 

Also, the idea that “no rocket follows a vertical trajectory” isn’t the mic-drop moment it’s imagined to be. Rockets launch vertically and then pitch over—because that’s how you achieve orbit instead of just going straight up and falling back down. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s basic physics.

 

So we’re left with a choice between two explanations:

1. Tens of thousands of people across multiple countries and generations are engaged in a perfectly executed, motive-free deception that has never slipped.

2. The Moon landings—and ongoing space missions—are exactly what they appear to be.

 

If the hoax theory has a clear boundary—where reality ends and the fakery begins—now would be a great time to hear it. Because at the moment, it’s less a theory and more a blanket assertion that anything inconvenient must be fake… which isn’t scepticism, it’s just denial dressed up as insight or cynicism used to cover ingorance

8 hours ago, kwilco said:

still awaiting clarification on when real stops and hoax begins

Ah yes, the “everything is fake but somehow still works perfectly” school of thought. Always a classic.

Let me get this straight: the Apollo 11 Moon Landing—along with every other Apollo mission—was a hoax… but also every modern lunar programme, including Artemis program and China’s Chang'e program, are hoaxes too. The launchings and lead up are real and everything after that is fake?

 

So decades apart, across rival superpowers, with completely different technology stacks… all fake. Coordinated flawlessly. For what, exactly—fun?

And we’re meant to believe that thousands of engineers, scientists, contractors, and international tracking stations have all kept this secret for over half a century. Not one credible leak. Not one deathbed confession. Not one rival nation exposing it for the biggest geopolitical win in history. Remarkable discipline for a species that can’t even keep a new iPhone secret for a week.

 

The “they just roll out contraptions and drop them in the ocean” line is particularly impressive. Apparently, rockets don’t go up—they just… arc politely out of sight and vanish into a watery grave. Which is awkward, because independent observers across the globe—amateur astronomers, universities, and even hobbyists with radio gear—regularly track spacecraft well beyond “visual range.” But sure, they’re all either in on it or too dim to notice. Convenient.

 

Also, the idea that “no rocket follows a vertical trajectory” isn’t the mic-drop moment it’s imagined to be. Rockets launch vertically and then pitch over—because that’s how you achieve orbit instead of just going straight up and falling back down. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s basic physics.

 

So we’re left with a choice between two explanations:

1. Tens of thousands of people across multiple countries and generations are engaged in a perfectly executed, motive-free deception that has never slipped.

2. The Moon landings—and ongoing space missions—are exactly what they appear to be.

 

If the hoax theory has a clear boundary—where reality ends and the fakery begins—now would be a great time to hear it. Because at the moment, it’s less a theory and more a blanket assertion that anything inconvenient must be fake… which isn’t scepticism, it’s just denial dressed up as insight or cynicism used to cover ingorance

Many of the big' events, especially coming out of the US, are simply to keep the populous stupefied.

Nuclear bombs dropped on Japan. JFK. USS Liberty. 9/11. Covid. etc. are all nonsense. The UK has its fair share of twisted nonsense. Princess Di. WMD, London tube bombings. Dr Kelly. Covid.

The sad part is that people are taken in. As much as ever it seems going by the queues to get a vaxx in Kent.

No one will be going to the moon any time soon.

16 hours ago, kwilco said:

still awaiting clarification on when real stops and hoax begins

Ah yes, the “everything is fake but somehow still works perfectly” school of thought. Always a classic.

Let me get this straight: the Apollo 11 Moon Landing—along with every other Apollo mission—was a hoax… but also every modern lunar programme, including Artemis program and China’s Chang'e program, are hoaxes too. The launchings and lead up are real and everything after that is fake?

 

So decades apart, across rival superpowers, with completely different technology stacks… all fake. Coordinated flawlessly. For what, exactly—fun?

And we’re meant to believe that thousands of engineers, scientists, contractors, and international tracking stations have all kept this secret for over half a century. Not one credible leak. Not one deathbed confession. Not one rival nation exposing it for the biggest geopolitical win in history. Remarkable discipline for a species that can’t even keep a new iPhone secret for a week.

 

The “they just roll out contraptions and drop them in the ocean” line is particularly impressive. Apparently, rockets don’t go up—they just… arc politely out of sight and vanish into a watery grave. Which is awkward, because independent observers across the globe—amateur astronomers, universities, and even hobbyists with radio gear—regularly track spacecraft well beyond “visual range.” But sure, they’re all either in on it or too dim to notice. Convenient.

 

Also, the idea that “no rocket follows a vertical trajectory” isn’t the mic-drop moment it’s imagined to be. Rockets launch vertically and then pitch over—because that’s how you achieve orbit instead of just going straight up and falling back down. It’s not a conspiracy, it’s basic physics.

 

So we’re left with a choice between two explanations:

1. Tens of thousands of people across multiple countries and generations are engaged in a perfectly executed, motive-free deception that has never slipped.

2. The Moon landings—and ongoing space missions—are exactly what they appear to be.

 

If the hoax theory has a clear boundary—where reality ends and the fakery begins—now would be a great time to hear it. Because at the moment, it’s less a theory and more a blanket assertion that anything inconvenient must be fake… which isn’t scepticism, it’s just denial dressed up as insight or cynicism used to cover ingorance

You should capitalise and add punctuation to your own output (here, the first sentence) so that it blends in a little more seamlessly with the AI output.