3 hours ago, candide said:

BTW, the Nobel prize was granted to Machado before the US started to send boats around Venezuela.

Op Absolute Resolve was planned long before the boats took off for the Caribbean. Was Nato/MI6/Mossad in the know? Were they told who the post-Maduro pick was? Think about it. Take your time.

37 minutes ago, thaibreaker said:

We Norwegians know for a FACT that the government has absolutely zero influence on who gets the peace price.

A Norwegian? I would hang my head in shame.

You know for a FACT that the government ...? Your naivete or stupidity, I dunno which, is touching. Here's a tip, buddy. Vote your government out. And that goes for the rest of Europe. If you want to survive.

Machado was the least of your sins. And the loss of Greenland will be a pinch on the cheek compared to what's coming your way. Grow a spine. The US is not your friend.

12 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Most of us don't. The Democrats put up such a damaged candidate last presidential election that too many people stayed home.

I HOPE the Democrats learn from this lesson, though if history is any indicator, it's a toss up.

What a silly argument.

Trump is a thousand+ many times more damaged, degenerate, demented, dangerous and flawed than the comparatively harmless and generally benevolent Harris. That was apparent long before the election.

1 hour ago, Autocan said:

A Norwegian? I would hang my head in shame.

You know for a FACT that the government ...? Your naivete or stupidity, I dunno which, is touching. Here's a tip, buddy. Vote your government out. And that goes for the rest of Europe. If you want to survive.

Machado was the least of your sins. And the loss of Greenland will be a pinch on the cheek compared to what's coming your way. Grow a spine. The US is not your friend.

The rest of Europe doesn't get to vote in Norwegian elections .... Oh, I see ... you think that the electorates of the other 40-odd individual nations of Europe should each vote their existing governments out of office.

And the reasons behind your suggestion?

2 hours ago, Autocan said:

Op Absolute Resolve was planned long before the boats took off for the Caribbean. Was Nato/MI6/Mossad in the know? Were they told who the post-Maduro pick was? Think about it. Take your time.

I'm not going to waste my time with your baseless conspiracy theories! 😁

Trump is getting back at the clowns of the Nobel Price commite obviously. The Nobel has been given so often to former dictators and people who turned out to be under war crimes allegations and so on. Be it Trump or the Nobel Price gang...they are just the same types at the end of the day.

Not to forget that America has been bullying since the 19th century in trying to get hold of Greenland. 4 or 5 other attempts through time have also failed since. So it's not just a Trump bully issue...it's more and american bullish attitude from their governance. Of course this does not by any means tend to suggest that the american people are like this or not,. It's their governance that we are talking about here so no misunderstandings please. Thank you.

7 minutes ago, Sigmund said:

Trump is getting back at the clowns of the Nobel Price commite obviously.

Trump's a fool. But he's right about the Peace Prize. Which is the West's "thank you for your service" award. Obama? Lovely man I voted for. But a prize a year into his presidency having done nothing yet?

And the Lit prize too is another suck-up to the US. Bob Dylan's a wonderful song writer. But a Nobel for Lit? Oh, yeah, for "having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition". Talk about sucking up.

And guess who didn't get the Lit? Graham Greene who was head and shoulders above his peers (no disrespect) in the 60s and 70s. Because he was sympathetic to the left and not kind to Nordic countries. And Murakami. Because he publicly made clear he didn't think much of the award. The Committee likes to be liked.

2 hours ago, Autocan said:

A Norwegian? I would hang my head in shame.

You know for a FACT that the government ...? Your naivete or stupidity, I dunno which, is touching. Here's a tip, buddy. Vote your government out. And that goes for the rest of Europe. If you want to survive.

Machado was the least of your sins. And the loss of Greenland will be a pinch on the cheek compared to what's coming your way. Grow a spine. The US is not your friend.

Haha, sorry to disappoint you, but Norway is not America, with your lies and corruption. But you are kind of excused, living with your web of lies, corruption and deceit from birth.

We have higher standard in our country.

Again, sorry to disappoint you. You really have a lot to learn about other countries.

I couldn't be more proud of my country. We still have something you lost decades ago; integrity.

1 hour ago, candide said:

3 hours ago, Autocan said:

Op Absolute Resolve was planned long before the boats took off for the Caribbean. Was Nato/MI6/Mossad in the know? Were they told who the post-Maduro pick was? Think about it. Take your time.

I'm not going to waste my time with your baseless conspiracy theories! 😁

Sweetie, don't say aloud you think it's a conspiracy theory that NATO intel agencies coordinate. Even the cleaning ladies at Langley will point and laugh.

31 minutes ago, thaibreaker said:

Haha, sorry to disappoint you, but Norway is not America, with your lies and corruption. But you are kind of excused, living with your web of lies, corruption and deceit from birth.

We have higher standard in our country.

Again, sorry to disappoint you. You really have a lot to learn about other countries.

I couldn't be more proud of my country. We still have something you lost decades ago; integrity.

Oh, you're right about the US, no arguments. Which is why I say don't follow us around like a lovelorn puppy. Doing whatever we tell you to do.

"I couldn't be more proud of my country." Which is wonderful. But if you want to stay that way you need, I mean your country needs, to grow a pair.

32 minutes ago, Autocan said:

Oh, you're right about the US, no arguments. Which is why I say don't follow us around like a lovelorn puppy. Doing whatever we tell you to do.

"I couldn't be more proud of my country." Which is wonderful. But if you want to stay that way you need, I mean your country needs, to grow a pair.

Well, that's what we have, a pair. It's called integrity. We have consistently shown that. We won't and wouldn't be bullied into giving Trump his peace price, which he definitely does not deserve. And we will never back down supporting our allies, like Denmark and Greenland, and Ukraine. And we have stood firm supporting Palestine from Israeli terror. We loudly criticised the bombing of both Iran and Venezuela. Among other things. All in opposition to the almighty US.

Isn't that the definition of having a pair? We're definitely not follow you around like a puppy.

Btw, you should have seen what the politicians, newspapers and discussion forums in Norway have said and written about America, and Trump and his goons this last year. You would be shocked. We see US as a freakshow with Trump. We're definitely no puppets.

5 hours ago, BusyB said:

What a silly argument.

Trump is a thousand+ many times more damaged, degenerate, demented, dangerous and flawed than the comparatively harmless and generally benevolent Harris. That was apparent long before the election.

What a silly retort.

He wasn't this bad as 45. There were adults in the room to pat him on his balding pate and tell him "There, there, big guy, you can't do that. Here's a shiny to play with." In comparison, Harris just wasn't enough to generate interest for Independents to put down their sack of potato chips, get off their couches, and go vote. As well, ANY informed Democrat could see how they were getting railroaded with her. I forget the guy's name and can't be bothered to look it up, but he was a handsome (important now in elections) businessman who had, at first glance, a full pedigree and a glorious head of hair who wanted to run against her. The DCCC said no.

This 47 version is NOW a thousand+ times worse because not only have the safeguards been removed - he has truly evil men pushing their agendas using him as a greedy gob. HE doesn't care which way he TACO's as long as it puts more money in his account.

11 hours ago, Autocan said:

Sweetie, don't say aloud you think it's a conspiracy theory that NATO intel agencies coordinate. Even the cleaning ladies at Langley will point and laugh.

Lol! You have nothing!

15 hours ago, thaibreaker said:

You are so so wrong. Read the post I just wrote above this one, answering this topic. Again, there is no one influencing the peace price committee. No one.

Stop this nonsense!

And btw, Norway isn't even in the EU. Saying that the committee was influenced by politicians from OTHER countries, when they aren't even influenced by our own politicians, well, that is just insane.

You are so wrong - FACT. It becomes annoying when 'debating' things with people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, nor how the political game is played. Below is a link to an article about the 'failure' and the 'mistake' in the award of the Peace Prize to Obama as stated by Geir Lundestad the Secretary (Chairman) of the Nobel Committee when he broke the long standing deal of never talking about Committee decisions. Read it and learn something.

Besides the obvious realities he talks about, please note this comment :

According to Mr Lundestad, Jonas Gahr Store, then Norway's foreign minister, tried in 2010 to dissuade the panel from awarding the prize to a Chinese dissident,

And this one :

Mr Lundestad also criticises Thorbjorn Jagland, who was the committee chairman for six years and is now a regular member. He said that as a former Norwegian prime minister, Mr Jagland should never have been appointed to the committee

And this one :

Mr Lundestad served as the committee's influential, but non-voting, secretary from 1990 to 2015.

Nobel secretary regrets Obama peace prize - BBC News

BBC News

Nobel secretary regrets Obama peace prize

The decision to award the Nobel Peace Prize to US President Barack Obama in 2009 failed to live up to expectations, the committee's ex-secretary says.

49 minutes ago, XRules said:

According to Mr Lundestad, Jonas Gahr Store, then Norway's foreign minister, tried in 2010 to dissuade the panel from awarding the prize to a Chinese dissident,

And the prize was awarded to the Chinese dissident, which confirms that it's not the Norway government that decides about Nobel prizes! 🤣

1 hour ago, XRules said:

You are so wrong - FACT. It becomes annoying when 'debating' things with people who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about, nor how the political game is played. Below is a link to an article about the 'failure' and the 'mistake' in the award of the Peace Prize to Obama as stated by Geir Lundestad the Secretary (Chairman) of the Nobel Committee when he broke the long standing deal of never talking about Committee decisions. Read it and learn something.

Besides the obvious realities he talks about, please note this comment :

According to Mr Lundestad, Jonas Gahr Store, then Norway's foreign minister, tried in 2010 to dissuade the panel from awarding the prize to a Chinese dissident,

And this one :

Mr Lundestad also criticises Thorbjorn Jagland, who was the committee chairman for six years and is now a regular member. He said that as a former Norwegian prime minister, Mr Jagland should never have been appointed to the committee

And this one :

Mr Lundestad served as the committee's influential, but non-voting, secretary from 1990 to 2015.

Nobel secretary regrets Obama peace prize - BBC News

BBC News

Nobel secretary regrets Obama peace prize

The decision to award the Nobel Peace Prize to US President Barack Obama in 2009 failed to live up to expectations, the committee's ex-secretary says.

Jeezus man. Starting your rant with your rule techniques, is an all time low. I have no idea what I'm talking about, yea? Annoying to discuss with such people like me? Haha. And BS.

I've been a politician in Norway myself for a decade, I'm not unfamiliar with how things work. Your links do not prove a thing, if anything, it shows that the committee is independent, and won't budge. And Støre knows that perfectly well.

The 5 members are chosen widely from the Norwegian political landscape, no biases, the current board really has a wide set of meanings and thoughts from their previous political positions. One of them even are not on the same side as most Norwegians in the Ukraine war. But they work well together, and always find common ground.

Therefor, I can't see much wrong with electing a former prime minister once, but I do agree, that was not our best moment. But even Jagland had his integrity. He knew his role, and didn't cross lines.

Now, we can agree that giving Obama the price, in retrospect, was not our best reward. But that doesn't mean that the committee let itself run or steer in any direction. Far from it. And Norwegians know that, both then and now. Most of us also disagreed with Obama, but most nominees have been spot on, and there are also many surprises there.

Get down from your high horses, and learn something you as well.

1 hour ago, candide said:

And the prize was awarded to the Chinese dissident, which confirms that it's not the Norway government that decides about Nobel prizes! 🤣

Exactly! And Støre learned that as well, and is definitely right when he says to Trump that the government had nothing to do with appointing Machado.

Trump has been rambling on saying otherwise several times now, last time yesterday. It's clearly very tough for him to not have been chosen for this prestigious award. He is probably lying awake every night because of this.

But it's obviously impossible to knock any truth into his head.

17 minutes ago, thaibreaker said:

Exactly! And Støre learned that as well, and is definitely right when he says to Trump that the government had nothing to do with appointing Machado.

Trump has been rambling on saying otherwise several times now, last time yesterday. It's clearly very tough for him to not have been chosen for this prestigious award. He is probably lying awake every night because of this.

But it's obviously impossible to knock any truth into his head.

Trump cannot stand that Obama got the Nobel prize and he didn't.

55 minutes ago, thaibreaker said:

Now, we can agree that giving Obama the price, in retrospect, was not our best reward.

Award, that is 😆

Auto correct from hello 🤣

11 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

What a silly retort.

He wasn't this bad as 45. There were adults in the room to pat him on his balding pate and tell him "There, there, big guy, you can't do that. Here's a shiny to play with." In comparison, Harris just wasn't enough to generate interest for Independents to put down their sack of potato chips, get off their couches, and go vote. As well, ANY informed Democrat could see how they were getting railroaded with her. I forget the guy's name and can't be bothered to look it up, but he was a handsome (important now in elections) businessman who had, at first glance, a full pedigree and a glorious head of hair who wanted to run against her. The DCCC said no.

This 47 version is NOW a thousand+ times worse because not only have the safeguards been removed - he has truly evil men pushing their agendas using him as a greedy gob. HE doesn't care which way he TACO's as long as it puts more money in his account.

I agree with your last paragraph and tend to be on the same page as you.

But his evil nature and intentions and the people behind him were more than clear looong before the election. And his people DIDN'T stay at home. They thought it was great. All 77 million of them. I stand by my statement elsewhere: the country has the government it deserves.

Now I gotta go eat some dawgs for dinner ;D

15 minutes ago, BusyB said:

Now I gotta go eat some dawgs for dinner ;D

That statement alone should have woken his followers up.. 🤣🤣

They were warned, and yes, they got what they voted for, and deserve. Let's just hope it's not too late to get the US back on tracks the next decade. A lot of damage has been made, so it will take time for democracy to prevail, and for other countries to start trusting the US again.

10 minutes ago, thaibreaker said:

That statement alone should have woken his followers up.. 🤣🤣

They were warned, and yes, they got what they voted for, and deserve. Let's just hope it's not too late to get the US back on tracks the next decade. A lot of damage has been made, so it will take time for democracy to prevail, and for other countries to start trusting the US again.

I do hope the country finds a track back towards its claimed values. But it's something that is seriously in question now. It's not just about the damage done by the Trumpistas. They are as much a symptom as a cause.

It's also because the US is undergoing the shockwaves from the fall of the iron curtain, which was a tectonic shift in the world's balances of power and political certainties. Something Kohl and the elder Bush understood. The US is now in the kind of crisis Russia faced and failed to rise to adequately. It'll take another 50 to a hundred years for the global reverberations of '89 to settle down.

The world has changed dramatically. Epochally. And like McNamara said about the UK (which is so obviously still true): it's a country looking to adjust to the loss of empire/supremacy. Its response has been to destroy the already threadbare skein of the rule of international law in a tantrum, instead of trying to adapt and fortify it.

The US has squandered the benefits of the end of the USSR, and has been bullying the world since 2003. It could have been different but like people said back in the GWBush era, 'when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail'. And that applies to the 77 million as well. It's them you gotta convince - assuming you do still hold elections, which for the first time in my life is no longer a cert.

Here's hoping. But looking at my home country's gradual decline into insanity (the UK) I'm not so sure. Both countries face generational tasks, which neither is really addressing.

17 hours ago, Sigmund said:

Of course this does not by any means tend to suggest that the american people are like this or not,. It's their governance that we are talking about here

But in a case where a clear majority has voted for this terrible regime, even though it had made very clear what it aimed to do, and even though its leaders and in particular figurehead, were more than plain about their foul intentions, then it is indeed the broader electorate we are dealing with here.

Don't get me wrong either. I used to work for Uncle Sam though I wouldn't twitch a finger for him now. I know many Americans, worked with many for decades, and even consider a couple of them as friends.

But the argument that it's all about Trump, Miller and Vance et al is the same as saying Hitler and Goebbels killed 6 million Jews and Stalin and Beria killed 20 million yeks. It took hundreds of thousands if not millions of willing helpers to do that, and millions who stood by and let it happen.

AT governmental level just look at the way Hegseth is trying to silence the voice of legality and decency embodied in Sen. Mark Kelly. His 'crime'? Stating the conclusion of the Nuremberg war crimes trials that 'following orders' is not a defense against prosecution.

The US is a lot closer to much worse things than most even care or dare to look at.

He is indeed working hard, continue everyday to make a difference !

US President Donald Trump on Tuesday shared an altered image showing a map of the United States expanded to include large parts of North and South America, as well as Greenland and Venezuela, with Trump displaying the map from the Oval Office as European leaders looked on.

More in the article

From Thai PBS

https://world.thaipbs.or.th/detail/trump-posts-altered-photos-suggesting-expanded-us-territory/60218?fbclid=IwdGRleAPdclVleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xNzM4NDc2NDI2NzAzNzAAAR57ExYnkpsS0enebyOuKr5SdBKMVrZtoNapO-hylsKiYvUpIvEPqDpGzTh5Ww_aem_lx41mMSmQmZLizrUhc9kpg

38 minutes ago, BusyB said:

I do hope the country finds a track back towards its claimed values. But it's something that is seriously in question now. It's not just about the damage done by the Trumpistas. They are as much a symptom as a cause.

It's also because the US is undergoing the shockwaves from the fall of the iron curtain, which was a tectonic shift in the world's balances of power and political certainties. Something Kohl and the elder Bush understood. The US is now in the kind of crisis Russia faced and failed to rise to adequately. It'll take another 50 to a hundred years for the global reverberations of '89 to settle down.

The world has changed dramatically. Epochally. And like McNamara said about the UK (which is so obviously still true): it's a country looking to adjust to the loss of empire/supremacy. Its response has been to destroy the already threadbare skein of the rule of international law in a tantrum, instead of trying to adapt and fortify it.

The US has squandered the benefits of the end of the USSR, and has been bullying the world since 2003. It could have been different but like people said back in the GWBush era, 'when all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail'. And that applies to the 77 million as well. It's them you gotta convince - assuming you do still hold elections, which for the first time in my life is no longer a cert.

Here's hoping. But looking at my home country's gradual decline into insanity (the UK) I'm not so sure. Both countries face generational tasks, which neither is really addressing.

Agree to this. And about the gradually decline, we have seen it everywhere, also in countries like mine, in Scandinavia. We might have been too kind opening our borders for refugees and others around the world for too long, and unfortunately that has consequences.

It's also sad to watch the shift towards more dominant 'behind the scenes' power from billionaires, it's more visible than before, especially in America. If anyone still think they are working for us 'on the ground' small people, they couldn't be more mistaken.

22 minutes ago, Hummin said:

He is indeed working hard, continue everyday to make a difference !

US President Donald Trump on Tuesday shared an altered image showing a map of the United States expanded to include large parts of North and South America, as well as Greenland and Venezuela, with Trump displaying the map from the Oval Office as European leaders looked on.

More in the article

From Thai PBS

https://world.thaipbs.or.th/detail/trump-posts-altered-photos-suggesting-expanded-us-territory/60218?fbclid=IwdGRleAPdclVleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xNzM4NDc2NDI2NzAzNzAAAR57ExYnkpsS0enebyOuKr5SdBKMVrZtoNapO-hylsKiYvUpIvEPqDpGzTh5Ww_aem_lx41mMSmQmZLizrUhc9kpg

He probably knows he will make history by being the worst president the US have ever had, and he knows he will lose the mid term election (if it will be one..), so he is desperately trying to at least make history by expanding US territory.

Surely there must be some mechanisms or grown-ups to prevent this madness from going forward, even in the US.

29 minutes ago, thaibreaker said:

He probably knows he will make history by being the worst president the US have ever had, and he knows he will lose the mid term election (if it will be one..), so he is desperately trying to at least make history by expanding US territory.

Surely there must be some mechanisms or grown-ups to prevent this madness from going forward, even in the US.

He is indeed doing a good job for Saturday day night show.

It is incredible scenes he is making as a president

Trump says US is “the hottest country in the world” during first-year briefing before he trows a paper binder on the floor

https://www.abc10.com/video/news/politics/trump-says-us-is-the-hottest-country-in-the-world-during-first-year-briefing/103-cebd2155-4d2c-45aa-9f79-0034809a5016

On 1/20/2026 at 4:22 PM, XRules said:

Seems very clear to me - Trump haters are going doodoo over a text message (not an official letter) that really says nothing. Just the usual Trump blurbs and obtuse statements. Trump is not a diplomatic politician - wow, who would have thought such a thing. Blunt and Direct in expressing himself - yep that is Trump. The message follows below.

Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America.

Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a “right of ownership” anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago , but we had boats landing there, also.

I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland.

Thank you! President DJT.

Seems pretty tame to me - but what is clear is that Trump has him so rattled that he has deliberately released the person to person text, which is a severe breach of trust. Obviously done as a means of embarrassing Trump, because they know the media will jump like a rabid dog and massively blow it out of all proportion and distort and lie about what was actually said - as they have of course done.

The leaking of the Trump text to Jonas has betrayed any trust Trump and his Admin had with NATO members - not a very smart move on their part and will have repercussions going forward. Text messages between Leaders are a private back-door means of communicating - now that is gone with NATO and EU Nations. Whatever was in the past is not there anymore - and I would not be surprised to read a headline soon saying - Trump withdraws support and funding from NATO. However, the rabid MSM will make the headline more like this - Trump puts the World at risk of WW3 by attacking NATO and supporting Russia. I can imagine the response by the woke leftists after reading that headline??

I don't think anyone can blow the letter out of proportion. DJT has blown his own dementia up.

3 hours ago, thaibreaker said:

Surely there must be some mechanisms or grown-ups to prevent this madness from going forward, even in the US.

Of course there are! They'll hold some meetings, negotiate a deal, and Trump will sign a declaration of some sort....after which Trump will be nominated for the "Peace in Our Time" prize.

On 1/21/2026 at 12:59 PM, thaibreaker said:

Jeezus man. Starting your rant with your rule techniques, is an all time low. I have no idea what I'm talking about, yea? Annoying to discuss with such people like me? Haha. And BS.

I've been a politician in Norway myself for a decade, I'm not unfamiliar with how things work. Your links do not prove a thing, if anything, it shows that the committee is independent, and won't budge. And Støre knows that perfectly well.

The 5 members are chosen widely from the Norwegian political landscape, no biases, the current board really has a wide set of meanings and thoughts from their previous political positions. One of them even are not on the same side as most Norwegians in the Ukraine war. But they work well together, and always find common ground.

Therefor, I can't see much wrong with electing a former prime minister once, but I do agree, that was not our best moment. But even Jagland had his integrity. He knew his role, and didn't cross lines.

Now, we can agree that giving Obama the price, in retrospect, was not our best reward. But that doesn't mean that the committee let itself run or steer in any direction. Far from it. And Norwegians know that, both then and now. Most of us also disagreed with Obama, but most nominees have been spot on, and there are also many surprises there.

Get down from your high horses, and learn something you as well.

Did you reads those links I provided that proved you wrong?? Obviously not.

The Secretary talked about how Politicians put pressure on the Committee Members NOT to vote for certain candidates at times - and that they voted for Obama for political reasons - not for what he had done/achieved. Your claims they are not influenced is patently wrong. And anyone with any knowledge about politics knows that there is influence being applied in all things - Trump knows that certain people pressured the Committee members not to select him - in maybe 15-20 years someone else who no longer is involved will do that the past Secretary did and speak out.

And this will completely shake your ignorance - maybe for the better - I do not believe Trump should be been selected - and I have never said he should have been. I pointed out the FACTS - there is and was political pressure being applied as Trump claimed - and your claim the Committee members are never influenced are completely at odds with reality. I cannot say the 3 letters involved but they are obvious.

Goodbye and have a great life.