17 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

You'd have to ask President Trump.

There was no National Emergency, negotiations were well underway, and this is most definitely a war of choice, one that the War President was itching for. Perhaps just to distraction from Epstein, perhaps overcompensation for his extreme levels of impotency, nobody really knows at this point. Many of us do know that it was an enormous mistake.

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

There was no National Emergency, negotiations were well underway, and this is most definitely a war of choice, one that the War President was itching for. Perhaps just to distraction from Epstein, perhaps overcompensation for his extreme levels of impotency, nobody really knows at this point. Many of us do know that it was an enormous mistake.

Let me take a guess here. You don't like Trump much right? Other than that, the president, although accountable , isn't the one who declared war against Iran. That's Congresses job. I'm thinking you knew this, although your disdain for the US is evident.

None of us here know what goes on behind those closed doors, or all that's involved in the why's. We can just make guesses, even though many are right, as wars before have proven, and some of the reasons why. We also have little idea of just how much firepower the US has, as even the soldiers involved don't know everything. They are just doing the job they're told. It's a need to know and civilians are at the bottom of that list.

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

There was no National Emergency, negotiations were well underway, and this is most definitely a war of choice, one that the War President was itching for. Perhaps just to distraction from Epstein, perhaps overcompensation for his extreme levels of impotency, nobody really knows at this point. Many of us do know that it was an enormous mistake.

Negotiations require good faith and Iran was not negotiating in good faith. Iran had refused to three critical requests;

1. An end to the funding of terrorist groups. Humanitarian aid would be allowed, but not the support of armed militias. Iran specifically refused to stop funding and supplying i) iraqi militias, ii) Houthis iii) Hezbollah, iv) Hamas. and other groups.

2. Iran refused to stop interfering in the internal affairs of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain , Iraq and Lebanon and interfering with the establishment of civil rule in Iraq and Lebanon.

3. Iran refused to stop its nuclear weapons development.

Iran has increased the production of ballistic missiles, and was working on long range missiles which could strike the USA. Iran had been dragging out the negotiations for months and had no intention of making any agreements. In the interim, at least 30,000 civilians had been slaughtered.

The USA and Israel had been tracking the leadership for years. Trump did not authorize the opportunity last year and wanted to try negotiations. The USA and Gulf states tried to obtain a peaceful resolution. This action was inevitable and was long overdue. The planning for the operation started long ago and various plans were prepared going back to the previous Obama and Biden administrations. In 2024 the Iranians were caught plotting the assassination of the POTUS.

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1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

Negotiations require good faith and Iran was not negotiating in good faith. Iran had refused to three critical requests;

1. An end to the funding of terrorist groups. Humanitarian aid would be allowed, but not the support of armed militias. Iran specifically refused to stop funding and supplying i) iraqi militias, ii) Houthis iii) Hezbollah, iv) Hamas. and other groups.

2. Iran refused to stop interfering in the internal affairs of Saudi Arabia, Bahrain , Iraq and Lebanon and interfering with the establishment of civil rule in Iraq and Lebanon.

3. Iran refused to stop its nuclear weapons development.

Iran has increased the production of ballistic missiles, and was working on long range missiles which could strike the USA. Iran had been dragging out the negotiations for months and had no intention of making any agreements. In the interim, at least 30,000 civilians had been slaughtered.

The USA and Israel had been tracking the leadership for years. Trump did not authorize the opportunity last year and wanted to try negotiations. The USA and Gulf states tried to obtain a peaceful resolution. This action was inevitable and was long overdue. The planning for the operation started long ago and various plans were prepared going back to the previous Obama and Biden administrations. In 2024 the Iranians were caught plotting the assassination of the POTUS.

Excellent summary.

I think its safe to say that 'no one wants war' - but an Iran with nuclear capabilities is inconciebable.

Given the earlier responses - some people prefer to avoid the nuance and deep, intertwined eco-religio-geopolitics and prefer 'one liners' - there its - one poster so far believes an Iran with Nuclear Weapons is an acceptable reality - and I don't believe he's truly considered the real consequences of that, no only to Middle East Security, but to the world economies.

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Let me take a guess here. You don't like Trump much right? Other than that, the president, although accountable , isn't the one who declared war against Iran. That's Congresses job. I'm thinking you knew this, although your disdain for the US is evident.

None of us here know what goes on behind those closed doors, or all that's involved in the why's. We can just make guesses, even though many are right, as wars before have proven, and some of the reasons why. We also have little idea of just how much firepower the US has, as even the soldiers involved don't know everything. They are just doing the job they're told. It's a need to know and civilians are at the bottom of that list.

I think what you're missing here is that Congress wasn't even briefed on the upcoming attack much less making the decision to invade Iran. Trump was simply following the dictates of his buddy Netanyahu. I don't dislike America at all but I deeply dislike the political parties in America both Democrats and Republicans. Would you be man enough to say that?

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I think what you're missing here is that Congress wasn't even briefed on the upcoming attack much less making the decision to invade Iran. Trump was simply following the dictates of his buddy Netanyahu. I don't dislike America at all but I deeply dislike the political parties in America both Democrats and Republicans. Would you be man enough to say that?

Congress is necessary when declaring war. It's not up to the president.This actually isn't a declaration of war, but a military action, which the president can do. I've never trusted politicians, even though many have made good decisions and helped Americans. Being a man is how you treat others. Nothing to do with politics.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Congress is necessary when declaring war. It's not up to the president. I've never trusted politicians, even though many have made good decisions and helped Americans. Being a man is how you treat others. Nothing to do with politics.

In the past Congress has been necessary when it comes to a declaration of war, however as we know Trump has broken all protocol, and has bypassed Congress yet again. He seems to be a law unto his own and the Law and Order president does not seem to have much respect for Law and Order.

10 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Everyone has their own opinion about Israel's true intent for attacking Iran.

Ha ha, what a response. The man is an esteemed professor, his opinion is not equal to yours, unless you are a distinguished professor of political science.

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

OK, but Bahrain, Qatar, KSA and UAE did not. why is iran attacking hotels like the Palm Jumerah , Dubai International Airport, Zayed International Airport in Abu Dhabi which are all civilian use locations. The Palm is exclusively residential and is nowhere near a military installation. Why target non combatants in these countries? It is Iran that targeted these locations. Killing non combatants serves no purpose other than to illustrate how evil the Iranian regime is. And here you are to support and justify the killings.

Those countries all the terrorist Israel and US to fire missiles from their land, of course they are legit targets.

One could ask why your country killed 100,000 civilians in the last 2.5 years in Gaza.

19 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

It is horrific and tragic. Iranian state media report that around 100 schoolgirls were killed, while some Iranian officials have placed the figure closer to 148. If those numbers are confirmed, it would represent a devastating civilian loss.

What is less widely discussed is that a Revolutionary Guards facility is located next to the school and was the intended target. That raises serious and question - Who builds military infrastructure right next to a school ??? That decision in itself demands scrutiny - and the answers highlight the underlying mentality at play *human-shield.

At the same time, Iranian missile and drone retaliation has not been limited to US military assets, with residential areas throughout Gulf impacted by drones and missiles. Whether intentional targeting or the consequence of interceptions and poor accuracy, civilians across the region are bearing the cost.

+1

3 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Ha ha, what a response. The man is an esteemed professor, his opinion is not equal to yours, unless you are a distinguished professor of political science.

I did not claim to be an esteemed professor of political science, just as you have not claimed to be a renown clown no matter how entertaining you are.

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

There was no National Emergency, negotiations were well underway, and this is most definitely a war of choice, one that the War President was itching for. Perhaps just to distraction from Epstein, perhaps overcompensation for his extreme levels of impotency, nobody really knows at this point. Many of us do know that it was an enormous mistake.

You know that how ?

You've never had an original thought as long as I've been here, cut/past king for sure so just how is it that you''d know anything remotely like that ?

You made it up, thats how.

29 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Ha ha, what a response. The man is an esteemed professor, his opinion is not equal to yours, unless you are a distinguished professor of political science.

Clearly, education does not equal intelligence.

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

I think what you're missing here is that Congress wasn't even briefed on the upcoming attack much less making the decision to invade Iran. Trump was simply following the dictates of his buddy Netanyahu. I don't dislike America at all but I deeply dislike the political parties in America both Democrats and Republicans. Would you be man enough to say that?

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

In the past Congress has been necessary when it comes to a declaration of war, however as we know Trump has broken all protocol, and has bypassed Congress yet again. He seems to be a law unto his own and the Law and Order president does not seem to have much respect for Law and Order.

You need to do some reading for yourself,
He has 48 hrs to notify congress and another 90 days in which to wrap it up.

Notify - He doesn't need their permission at all. Did you say the same thing when clinton and obumer did it, multiple times

2 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

You know that how ?

You've never had an original thought as long as I've been here, cut/past king for sure so just how is it that you''d know anything remotely like that ?

You made it up, thats how.

You obviously become very resentful and nasty when your master is criticized or insulted. I would maybe try some deep breathing, possibly some yoga, and try to figure out a way to grow some thicker skin. Man up.

On 3/1/2026 at 2:11 PM, spidermike007 said:

That's not only a very cold but also an extremely uneducated thing to say, considering the fact that Iran probably produces fewer terrorists per capita then most other nations in the Middle East. You probably don't even know this, but Iranians are not even considered Arabs, and the vast majority of Iranian people are secular and very moderate. Many are well educated and absolutely despise the extremist regime.

How many terrorists groups have they funded. How do you know so much about the Iranian people.

13 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

You obviously become very resentful and nasty when your master is criticized or insulted. I would maybe try some deep breathing, possibly some yoga, and try to figure out a way to grow some thicker skin. Man up.

So as always, you have nothing. Thats what I figured.

The only one nasty and resentful is you. Its not my fault your can't read or refuse to, not sure which it is

48 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

try to figure out a way to grow some thicker skin. Man up.

Or just stop being single minded and remove your MAGA Tinfoil baseball cap!

2 hours ago, flexomike said:

How do you know so much about the Iranian people.

General knowledge isn't your forte.

8 hours ago, JimCM said:

Those countries all the terrorist Israel and US to fire missiles from their land, of course they are legit targets.

One could ask why your country killed 100,000 civilians in the last 2.5 years in Gaza.

Ahh so, now you have proclaimed the Gulf states responsible, despite their being non combatants. Jordan is being targeted. So is Iraq. They have nothing to do with this conflict. You claim that Israel and the US are firing missiles form these countries. No, they are not. The cruise missiles are being launched by USN vessels. The Israeli aircraft are flying out of Israel.

The bunker buster munitions are being launched from US based aircraft. The UK and Bahrain did not host any US military bases involved, and yet Iran has targeted the RAF base and Bahrain.

My country has no involvement in Gaza other than to having wasted hundreds of millions of $$ on humanitarian funds that Hamas misappropriated for its terror campaign. My country has provided safe haven for for Gazan based terrorists, with a court system that refuses to deport Gazan criminals because Gaza isn't "safe". So nice to see that you have not lost your obsession with Gaza and can still invent inflated numbers. You go right ahead and mourn the Hamas, Islamic Jihadi and other personnel who were terminated. Rather odd that you have no concern for the estimated 30,000-50,000 Iranians murdered by the iranian regime in the past 2 months, or the 14 million Syrian refugees, and 750,000 dead because of the Iranian and Russian support for the brutal Assad regime.

You are really desperate now. 😄 The only people who are coming out in support in of the Iranian regime are western political agitators, Pakistani and Bengali shiites and extremist Arab groups. You must be beside yourself when you see the millions of Iranians celebrating and waving Israeli and US flags. Does it upset you that much of the Arab wold is standing on the sidelines discreetly happy that Iran is being taken offline?

Lebanon forbade Hezbollah from getting involved. You know, the Lebanese government, the only legal legitimate government? Your friends in Hezbollah who take their orders from Iran, do not consider themselves subject to Lebanese law are now trying to start another war on the border of Israel. This is why Iran must be neutralized. Lebanon had nothing to do with the conflict, but Iran instructed Hezbollah to start another war, and Lebanon will pay the price when Israel takes out the Hezbollah bunkers and tunnels.

From the UN special rapporteur - we have to act now to stop these two rogue states.

5 hours ago, flexomike said:

How many terrorists groups have they funded. How do you know so much about the Iranian people.

You realize only about 25 countries consider Hezbollah for example, a terrorist organizations, and they are all brainwashed Western ones or a few that suck up to the US.

The typical protocol is for a president to have a debate in Congress and try to make an effort to sell the merits of a war to the American people. What Trump is doing now is illegal, and since 75% of the American public was opposed to this war, it's not only illegal but it's against the mandate of the American people.

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I think what you're missing here is that Congress wasn't even briefed on the upcoming attack much less making the decision to invade Iran. Trump was simply following the dictates of his buddy Netanyahu. I don't dislike America at all but I deeply dislike the political parties in America both Democrats and Republicans. Would you be man enough to say that?

The Congressional leadership was briefed and advised of the activity. This is acknowledged by the 8 members of the group.

The US Secretary of State, Defense Secretary and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff will appear before Congress to provide full details. This satisfies the legal requirement in respect to this limited intervention. The precedent was set by prior administrations of Reagan, Bush, Clinton and Obama.The POTUS did not follow the dictates of Netanyahu. On the contrary, Trump squashed the Israeli plans for intervention repeatedly.

This is just another example of the fake Law and Order president circumventing the law and pretending to be king.

The typical protocol is for a president to have a debate in Congress and try to make an effort to sell the merits of a war to the American people. What Trump is doing now is illegal, and since 75% of the American public was opposed to this war, it's not only illegal but it's against the mandate of the American people.

Key members of Congress are demanding a swift vote on a war powers resolution that would restrain President Donald Trump's military attack on Iran unless the administration wins their approval for what they warn is a potentially illegal campaign that risks pulling the United States into a deeper Middle East conflict.

Both the House and Senate, where the president's Republican Party has a slim majority, had already drafted such resolutions long before the strikes Saturday. Now they are ready to plunge into a rare war powers debate next week that will serve as a referendum on Trump's decision to go it alone on military action without formal authorization from Congress.

"Has President Trump learned nothing from decades of U.S. meddling in Iran and forever wars in the Middle East?" said Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., a leader in the bipartisan effort. He said the strikes on Iran were "a colossal mistake."

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13 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

There was no National Emergency, negotiations were well underway, and this is most definitely a war of choice, one that the War President was itching for. Perhaps just to distraction from Epstein, perhaps overcompensation for his extreme levels of impotency, nobody really knows at this point. Many of us do know that it was an enormous mistake.

Netanyahu made the choice.

Iran is striking a lot of targets. It's giving a great account of itself. Interceptor missiles are running out, so expect more success!

7 hours ago, JimCM said:

From the UN special rapporteur - we have to act now to stop these two rogue states.

The claim that the U.S. or Israel deliberately targeted the headquarters of the Iranian Red Crescent Society and nearby hospitals is misleading. The headlines and "X" post are based on a report from the Turkish Anadolu Agency. That report does NOT say the headquarters/hospitals were attacked, but that bombs fell near them.

Iran reports US-Israeli attacks on areas near hospitals in Tehran

No information was yet available about casualties or damage

The Iranian Red Crescent reported US and Israeli attacks on areas close to medical and humanitarian facilities in the capital Tehran on Sunday.

The organization said the attacks struck areas near the Red Crescent Building, Khatam al-Anbiya Hospital, Behzisti facilities, and Motahari Hospital in the capital.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/iran-reports-us-israeli-attacks-on-areas-near-hospitals-in-tehran/3844866

I could not find any follow-up to this brief report.

6 hours ago, JimCM said:

You realize only about 25 countries consider Hezbollah for example, a terrorist organizations, and they are all brainwashed Western ones or a few that suck up to the US.

Thats a lie.

Countries proscribing Hezbollah or Hezbollah's Military Wing as a terrorist organisation:

1. Argentina

2. Australia

3. Austria

4. Bahrain

5. Belgium

6. Bulgaria

7. Canada

8. Colombia

9. Croatia

10. Czechia

11. Cyprus

12. Denmark

13. Ecuador

14. Estonia

15. Finland

16. France

17. Germany

18. Greece

19. Guatamala

20. Honduras

21. Hungary

22. Ireland

23. Israel

24. Italy

25. Kuwait

26. Latvia

27. Lithuania

28. Luxembourg

29. Malaysia

30. Malta

31. New Zealand

32. Netherlands

33. Oman

34. Paraguay

35. Poland

36. Portugal

37. Qatar

38. Romania

39. Saudi Arabia

40. Slovakia

41. Slovenia

42. Spain

43. Sweden

44. Switzerland

45. United Arab Emirates

46. United Kingdom

47. United States

I assume you are a Tankie, and blithely dismiss this list as Western Running Dogs. The litany of death and violence widely attributed to Hezbollah includes the 1983 murder in Beirut of 241 American and 58 French peacekeepers; the 1986 wave of bombings against Jewish communal targets in Paris, in which 13 people died; the 1992 attack on the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, in which 29 people died; the 1994 bombing of the Argentine-Jewish mutual association, which led to the deaths of 85 people; the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in which 19 US servicemen lost their lives and nearly 500 people were injured; and the 2012 attack on a bus of Israeli tourists in the Bulgarian resort of Burgas, in which six people were murdered.