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Is Trump deliberately trying to sabotage the world economy?

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13 minutes ago, SamSpade said:

Where from, what dates & with which airline?

Cheapest return Business class ticket I could find for Bangkok to Manchester on the dates (28/3-20/5) that I have booked with Qatar for £2,000, was £5,600 (Mix of Thai & Turkish) - Cheapest economy (IIRC KLM) was £1,600.

Edit: I did those searches yesterday so have redone them & the prices have really calmed down (I wouldn't fly Hainan but Qatar are quoting approx £2,600 in Business class & £1,000 in economy) I'm hoping this is a positive sign that the flights I already have booked on those dates will go ahead.

Skyscanner - I used 10-24MAR

Don't change the class to business.

Oh, suddenly now you can get £1,000 in economy. How about that?

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10 hours ago, Tug said:

Trump squandered the nuclear deal leaving only war as the only tool left in the box to deal with Iran yagoda ……he attacked that country under color of negotiation yagoda ……he has successfully set the Middle East ablaze yagoda …..lucid people are rightly concerned.The Iranians were not engaged in provactive behavior before being attacked under color of negotiation…..this is more a war about trump propping up his sagging approval ratings and distracting from his relationship to his bestie Jeffery Epstein the kiddie rapist…….but don’t worry we have cosplay Barbie in charge of homeland security and the 22 year old side kick in charge of domestic security……against the Iranians…….what could possibly go wrong.OBVIOUSLY lucid people are rightly concerned.

Lucid people? Want to reread your evidently after a half rack post?

Although your support of Iran and hate of America is apparent

2 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Good thing the poster you replied to said economy.

$275 to BKK via Inchon from JFK next wednesday

1 minute ago, blaze master said:

Good thing the poster you replied to said economy.

If you'd have bothered to quote the whole of my post instead of snipping it to suit your trolling needs you would have included the costs for economy

Cheapest return Business class ticket I could find for Bangkok to Manchester on the dates (28/3-20/5) that I have booked with Qatar for £2,000, was £5,600 (Mix of Thai & Turkish) - Cheapest economy (IIRC KLM) was £1,600.

And that was before the edit...

Edit: I did those searches yesterday so have redone them & the prices have really calmed down (I wouldn't fly Hainan but Qatar are quoting approx £2,600 in Business class & £1,000 in economy) I'm hoping this is a positive sign that the flights I already have booked on those dates will go ahead.

1 minute ago, blaze master said:

Good thing the poster you replied to said economy.

I replied to the statement "One-way economy tickets that normally cost around £300–£500 are currently being listed for as much as £2,000 to £2,300 (roughly 70,000+ Thai Baht)".

He can't even get the currency conversion right.

5 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The idiots and uneducted get a pass as Jesus said on the cross "forgive them father for they know not what they do". I don't think you get that free pass but I maybe wrong.

Cool. What is to be done with those of us who are firm believers and willing to promote the evil hate ridden ideology, the most evil philosophy ever?

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I replied to the statement "One-way economy tickets that normally cost around £300–£500 are currently being listed for as much as £2,000 to £2,300 (roughly 70,000+ Thai Baht)".

He can't even get the currency conversion right.

The new Trump tax should be displayed on the ticket along with all the others taxes. Currently running at around £1200 per ticket one way.

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Cool. What is to be done with those of us who are firm believers and willing to promote the evil hate ridden ideology, the most evil philosophy ever?

Repent and ask forgiveness from your Saviour - the King of the Jews.

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

The new Trump tax should be displayed on the ticket along with all the others taxes. Currently running at around £1200 per ticket one way.

You are almost as weak at diversion than Starmer.

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1 minute ago, nauseus said:

You are almost as weak at diversion than Starmer.

Thanks I actually think Starmer isn't doing too bad all things considered. Prefer the Spanish version which is basically Trump eff off - the whole world needs to do the same.

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Thanks I actually think Starmer isn't doing too bad all things considered. Prefer the Spanish version which is basically Trump eff off - the whole world needs to do the same.

Yeah. Anyway, don't forget to massively overpay for your ticket.

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Thanks I actually think Starmer isn't doing too bad all things considered. Prefer the Spanish version which is basically Trump eff off - the whole world needs to do the same.

His current rating is lowest since being elected. So looks like you know something others don't....with 64 percent disapproving and only 15 percent approving.

Perhaps not sabotage the world economy, but I have read credible reports that one of the motives behind this war - I hesitate to call them aims, there seem no clearly defined war aims - may be to shut down Iranian oil exports. The idea being that Venezuela will be able to take on the supply to Iran's previous customers. Given the opaqueness of the control of Venezuela's oil industry that may well be beneficial to some within The Fragrant Leader's umh, orbit?

There was, you may recall, a distinct lack of enthusiasm amongst US oil moguls for getting involved in Venezuela. However, the sudden opening up of new markets may renew their interest!

2 minutes ago, blaze master said:

His current rating is lowest since being elected. So looks like you know something others don't....with 64 percent disapproving and only 15 percent approving.

It's a calibrated careful response just on this occasion. I now support the Greens run by the gay Jewish fella Zack Polanksi !

17 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Repent and ask forgiveness from your Saviour - the King of the Jews.

Here is your white feather, troll.

Who is the King of the Jewss?

6 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

INRI - Iesus Nazarenus, Rex Iudaeorum

Oh, I thought you were talking about a Christopher Walken movie. Never know with your gang

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5 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Oh sweet child, bless your cotton socks - and they all lived happily ever after. The End. Tell me about the rabbits , George ....

My wife tells me that single flights to Thailand have soared to £2000 one way - don't know how true it is I shall check.Oh and if this chaos continues all you need is proxies, lone wolfs, automonous cells with manpads knock out a civilian airline or too and job done. Massive chaos. Trump/Isareal have opened this Pandora's Box.

EDIT - I trust my wife she's a smart cookie;

It turns out your wife’s "travel radar" is spot on. As of today, Wednesday, March 4, 2026, flight prices from the UK to Thailand have indeed exploded to those levels, and for a very specific (and stressful) reason.

The short answer: Yes, it’s true. One-way economy tickets that normally cost around £300–£500 are currently being listed for as much as £2,000 to £2,300 (roughly 70,000+ Thai Baht).

Boo hoo. The Europeans and UK who enabled the Iranian regime will have some inconvenience. They have been cowering in fear for decades as Iiran had its way with them, destabilizing their economies and social order by dumping millions of refugees on it. Those Syrian and African refugees fleeing wars are fleeing iranian financed and caused wars.

7 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Not all oils are the same! See the link below!

I do not believe that there is any county that can survive on only its own extracted oil!

It needs that type of oil to be combined with home produced oil to be refined into different outputs/types!

Oil refinery types & their crude processing

Ok, but that's not why the USA imports the Middle eastern oil. It's because it is cheaper. Canada is the USA's largest single source of imported petroleum and crude oil, not the middle east.

Yes, there is a common argument to be made about the need for lighter oils, but the real reason is the lack of pipelines and infrastructure to transport the domestic light oils. As the price of Middle eastern oil increases, the US domestic sources will become more viable to use. Fewer imports are a positive for the trade deficit.

I expect that oil and gas shipments will be transiting the Strait of Hormuz within a week or two. Iran's navy and air power has been degraded. It's only a matter of time before individual IRG motorboats are taken out.

The arguments being given now to support the Iranian regime are laughable;

  • My air ticket from Manchester to Pattaya will increase.

  • My tank of petrol will cost more.

No concern for the cost that Iran has created for the west because of its role in the creation of millions of refugees, or the cost of protecting the cargo traffic in the Gulf long before this intervention. No concern either for the Iranian attacks on people living in their own countries or the costs of Iranian state sponsored terrorism.

7 hours ago, candide said:

Wholesale oil prices are global. WTI, OPEC Brent, etc... prices are correlated.

Yes they are. However, the comment was in respect to the USA was it not? Because the US energy supply is safe, it will be insulated from drastic price manipulations. Most of the energy in the USA is locally sourced or imported from Canada, and is not exported. If the oil companies attempt to manipulate prices in the USA, the government has the power to step in.

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

It's a calibrated careful response just on this occasion. I now support the Greens run by the gay Jewish fella Zack Polanksi !

He is only jewish if applying the Nuremburg race laws and selecting someone for a death camp.

Polanski is not a practicing jew.

And of course you would support his party. it is now the go to party of extremists. The Green deputy leader Mothin Ali has been vocal in his support of Hamas and his celebration of its October 7 attack in Israel that saw hundreds of non combatant civilians targeted for murder or taken hostage.

Green will be even more incompetent than Labour, but then that's what you want. The UK doesn't even have the naval capability to protect its own interests in the Gulf or to uphold its defense obligations to Gulf states.

8 hours ago, Bannoi said:

Wholesale gas prices are up 50% in Europe

Nothing is stopping the Europeans from protecting the LNG facilities in Qatar or in escorting the tankers. Oh wait, that would require their doing something.

18 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Nothing is stopping the Europeans from protecting the LNG facilities in Qatar or in escorting the tankers. Oh wait, that would require their doing something.

Does Germany have a Navy?

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Yeah. Just like the US dealt with the airlines after covid when they started price gouging, after taking tens of billion in covid relief money.

Just like the US government deals with Big Pharma when it comes to the price of medicine.

Just like the US deals with the healthcare industry when it comes to the highest health care prices on the planet.

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Is that what you're referring to when you're talking about consumer protection in Amerika?

The US airlines lost billions during Covid. The support payments were critical to keep airlines operating for their cargo capacity. The loans ensured that people kept their jobs because they prohibited layoffs, and protected the taxpayers because of the stock buybacks, and dividends. Time has proven the strategy was correct. Airfares at the time reflected the diminished capacity and the increased operating costs.

inflated drug prices in the USA reflect the refusal of the Congress to enact legislation that would allow for federal buying programs. Both democrat and Republican house members have blocked the legislation.

Healthcare costs in the USA reflect the US culture. I recall the hue and cry when the Affordable care Act was proposed. Talk to your fellow citizens who are opposed to the Act.

There would be broad public support to cap gas prices in the USA, since it would target the big old bad oil companies. However, I do not think we are at that point yet.

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Does Germany have a Navy?

I think they have a float for the Berlin Pride Parade.

26 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

I think they have a float for the Berlin Pride Parade.

Under trees planted by the French

13 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Finally you say something I agree with.

Why would I care?

You would not, nor would one expect any less from a Trump apologist. Empathy means nothing to them.

Just a masked up character like the Joe Biden character.

He a destructor sent for your destruction by the real adepts of power behind the curtains.

45 = 9

47 = 11

Chaos.

Prepare accordingly.

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Yes they are. However, the comment was in respect to the USA was it not? Because the US energy supply is safe, it will be insulated from drastic price manipulations. Most of the energy in the USA is locally sourced or imported from Canada, and is not exported. If the oil companies attempt to manipulate prices in the USA, the government has the power to step in.

Prices of WTI, OPEC, Brent, etc... have always been correlated. It's not price manipulation, it's the law of supply and demand.

Actually, the price of WTI crude already started to increase.

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil

Of course, if oil companies start to increase retail prices in anticipation, that would be manipulation, in the US or elsewhere.

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14 hours ago, JAG said:

Perhaps not sabotage the world economy, but I have read credible reports that one of the motives behind this war - I hesitate to call them aims, there seem no clearly defined war aims - may be to shut down Iranian oil exports. The idea being that Venezuela will be able to take on the supply to Iran's previous customers. Given the opaqueness of the control of Venezuela's oil industry that may well be beneficial to some within The Fragrant Leader's umh, orbit?

There was, you may recall, a distinct lack of enthusiasm amongst US oil moguls for getting involved in Venezuela. However, the sudden opening up of new markets may renew their interest!

It's not the same oil. Venezuela produces heavy to extra-heavy crude, which necessitates specific refining infrastructure. Iran is producing medium to ligh crude. They are not fully substitutable.

14 minutes ago, candide said:

Prices of WTI, OPEC, Brent, etc... have always been correlated. It's not price manipulation, it's the law of supply and demand.

Actually, the price of WTI crude already started to increase.

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/crude-oil

Of course, if oil companies start to increase retail prices in anticipation, that would be manipulation, in the US or elsewhere.

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OK, I will try again. Yes, global prices are related. No, there will not be oil shortages in the USA. The price hikes in the USA would reflect artificial forces, not actual supply issues in the USA, because Middle East petroleum is only 10% of USA imports. Increased costs at retail are understandable when there are shortages or increased demand. There should be no shortages in the USA because the USA is nearly self sufficient and enjoys the benefit of stable fixed price oil import prices with Canada. Oil exports are already subject to regulatory limits, so oil companies could not easily divert domestic production to reap windfall profits in foreign markets. Because the supply in the USA would be relatively unchanged, it becomes an easier market price to manage by price controls. The Nixon administration "fixed" the price of gas and it lasted until the Reagan administration lifted the cost cap. The price caps in the 1970's resulted in lineups at the pump when people panicked and because the USA was dependent on OPEC imports. Unlike the 1970's, the USA is no longer dependent upon OPEC and is nearly self sufficient. Therefore, restrictions on market market increases of oil and gas would be effective.

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