Putin is threatening to attack EU drone factories that are sending drones to Ukraine.

How long have we been told that Russia is a weak paper tiger?

I said ages ago that if the likes of the UK keep supplying money, military equipment, intelligence etc to Ukraine then they shouldn't be 'surprised' when those weapons factories are targeted by Russia.

11 minutes ago, johng said:

How long have we been told that Russia is a weak paper tiger?

I said ages ago that if the likes of the UK keep supplying money, military equipment, intelligence etc to Ukraine then they shouldn't be 'surprised' when those weapons factories are targeted by Russia.

This why I support the EU kicking the USA out of NATO and going at it alone. They can do it.

41 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Putin is threatening to attack EU drone factories that are sending drones to Ukraine.

And how many times has Putin threatened to nuke the EU, or attack the UK, are we up to ten or fifteen times now?! This meatgrinder war is causing catastrophic demographic damage to Russia. A country that was having a population decline before the war started. Prince Vlad knows that but cannot turn off what he started. Putin will end up like a Byzantine Emperor of old. Those guys never got to retire.

52 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Putin is threatening to attack EU drone factories that are sending drones to Ukraine.

Nonsense, of course he isn't going to do that.

2 hours ago, TedG said:

This why I support the EU kicking the USA out of NATO and going at it alone. They can do it.

US is not getting kicked out.

Trump wants out.

EU loses because the US had a disproportionately higher amount of military spending.

11 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

US is not getting kicked out.

Trump wants out.

EU loses because the US had a disproportionately higher amount of military spending.

2 of the most funded military forces on this Planet, USA and Israel, can't even defeat a 3 decades sanctioned mediocre military power of Iran. And there's a reason for that, which is the same as why Russia is years into a few days operation in Ukraine: the big powers are built for war of yesteryear, latter part of the previous Century. But they are very weak in modern warfare based on mass of cheap, autonomous or remotely controlled weapons. 5000$ drones are being shot down with 100 million $ missiles. You can make 10 drones an hour, or spend months making a single Tomahawk or Buk.

Admittedly, EU is also based on same outdated military might, but is learning fast from Ukraine and Iran, and China is a very keen observer no doubt realigning their entire strategic direction watching these wars unfold.

You might have been the biggest yellow book publisher in the 80's. But what is that worth now? Unless you completely reinvented yourself, you're gone. No matter how much you invested in printing presses and stuff.

It's the same with the military. Whatever you spent to build the machine that's not worth much, if anything, is gone. You're starting from scratch. And for US, the cost of labour (and military stuff IS manufactured locally) is prohibitive compared to pretty much every adversary of theirs, meaning unless US economy collapses and wages go down with it, US will always need to invest disproportionately more than others for the same result. In NATO or on its own.

For anybody who is literate out there, doesn't have the time or inclination to watch a video here are 2 written reports on the subject:

Russia warns Europe after Ukraine hits air defenses

Ukraine has launched a series of coordinated strikes on Russian air defense systems, radar stations, and supply depots across occupied territories and inside Russia, significantly degrading Moscow’s detection capabilities. Russia has accused multiple European nations of aiding Ukraine’s drone program and warned such support could have "unpredictable consequences." These developments come as Kyiv expands its use of advanced and autonomous weapons, signaling a potential shift in the war’s next phase.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/insight/russia-warns-europe-after-ukraine-hits-air-defenses/gm-GMB20006B9?gemSnapshotKey=GMB20006B9-snapshot-1&ocid=msedgntphdr

Russia names European drone sites as potential targets

Russia has published a list of more than 20 facilities across Europe it claims are producing drones or components for Ukraine, warning these are potential military targets. The move, accompanied by threats from senior Russian officials, follows a deadly overnight barrage on Ukraine and comes amid growing European defence cooperation with Kyiv. Analysts say the rhetoric signals a heightened risk of escalation in the war’s geographic scope.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/insight/russia-names-european-drone-sites-as-potential-targets/gm-GMB1097FDA?gemSnapshotKey=GMB1097FDA-snapshot-4&uxmode=ruby

A Russian attack on a European factory (almost inevitably in a NATO member) would bring in NATO, inevitably. We would at least know where the USA then stands...

My guess is that Trump will refuse any treaty obligations, and Vance will jeer from the sidelines. Whiskey Pete may go so far as to say a prayer!

Still, at least we will know where we stand, and I am sure that there has been some very high level contingency planning for just such an event; probably not including the Americans as they would simply pass it all on to the Russians.

Putin can't expand this and take on the EU, he has exhausted Russia and it's armed forces just trying to take 15-20% at best of Ukraine... it has stalled to a crawl at huge cost.

Firstly, the EU armies are a conventionally way more of a difficult proposition than Ukraine's is... Russian armed forces will get a new one ripped for them.

Secondly, how long does anyone think the Russian public will put up with this nonsense and death for nothing in return... especially if they esculate? No way, dream on.

Putin should just take what he's got and get out as it was a huge mistake to start this in the first place... cut and run, take what you've got and bail or Ukraine might find a way to reverse things, especially with the funds and gear the Middle East countries are now giving Ukraine in return for helping in the defence against Iranian missiles and drones for places like Saudi who are paying top dollar for it.

The belligerence and nostalgia of old dictators is very dangerous.

He would not dare as he would pummelled by nato to rubble ,an attack on 1 member means as onslaught from the rest of the members

He thugs are always making threats of an empty nature ,they are all brain addled from vodka

10 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Putin can't expand this and take on the EU,

NATO, EU, US has been involved egging on and backing Ukraine with sanctions,money,military equipment

and military intelligence from the beginning ..the only thing they haven't sent is boots on the ground..we can see that they are indeed gearing up towards conscripting young feckless Europeans to go fight for Ukraine.

2 minutes ago, johng said:

NATO, EU, US has been involved egging on and backing Ukraine with sanctions,money,military equipment

and military intelligence from the beginning ..the only thing they haven't sent is boots on the ground..we can see that they are indeed gearing up towards conscripting young feckless Europeans to go fight for Ukraine.

In a conventional war with NATO, the EU, and others onside... then Russia would be decimated. Just a no contest case... even if Russia likes to big it up, it can't even take half of Ukraine with the West giving them some outdated gear and decent intel. If the West went all in, it would be a massacre.

The reason the West has "egged the Russians on" as you say, is to wear them down and become exhausted, which is what is happening and Russia is in no position to expand it... that's all by design and costs the fewest lives. Russia is far less of a threat now than it was 10 years ago... which is what the West wants, not its destruction, just it being exhausted and then they can kick the can down the road for like 15 years and concentrate on China and the Pacific threatre. Pragmatic and Realpolitik policies in action.

17 minutes ago, johng said:

we can see that they are indeed gearing up towards conscripting young feckless Europeans to go fight for Ukraine.

See what, where and how?

9 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Putin is threatening to attack EU drone factories that are sending drones to Ukraine.

Putin is more bluster than action. If he acted, the EU would likely issue a strong letter of protest.

31 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

He thugs are always making threats of an empty nature ,they are all brain addled from vodka

Well Orban said EU thought Putin was bluffing the 1st time when he said he would invade Ukraine.

But maybe this time he is bluffing.

20 minutes ago, johng said:

NATO, EU, US has been involved egging on and backing Ukraine with sanctions,money,military equipment

and military intelligence from the beginning ..the only thing they haven't sent is boots on the ground..we can see that they are indeed gearing up towards conscripting young feckless Europeans to go fight for Ukraine.

It would only take an air campaign to ruin Russia's day in Ukraine. The air force would knock holes in the Russian lines, disrupt their supply lines, and allow Ukrainian ground forces to do their thing.

16 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

In a conventional war with NATO, the EU, and others onside... then Russia would be decimated. Just a no contest case... even if Russia likes to big it up, it can't even take half of Ukraine with the West giving them some outdated gear and decent intel. If the West went all in, it would be a massacre.

The reason the West has "egged the Russians on" as you say, is to wear them down and become exhausted, which is what is happening and Russia is in no position to expand it... that's all by design and costs the fewest lives. Russia is far less of a threat now than it was 10 years ago... which is what the West wants, not its destruction, just it being exhausted and then they can kick the can down the road for like 15 years and concentrate on China and the Pacific threatre. Pragnatic and Realpolitik policies in action.

The war in Ukraine has been a disaster for Russia. It would be nice to see the government fall, but who knows what kind of disaster that would cause in Russia.

43 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

Putin can't expand this and take on the EU, he has exhausted Russia and it's armed forces just trying to take 15-20% at best of Ukraine... it has stalled to a crawl at huge cost.

Firstly, the EU armies are a conventionally way more of a difficult proposition than Ukraine's is... Russian armed forces will get a new one ripped for them.

Secondly, how long does anyone think the Russian public will put up with this nonsense and death for nothing in return... especially if they esculate? No way, dream on.

Putin should just take what he's got and get out as it was a huge mistake to start this in the first place... cut and run, take what you've got and bail or Ukraine might find a way to reverse things, especially with the funds and gear the Middle East countries are now giving Ukraine in return for helping in the defence against Iranian missiles and drones for places like Saudi who are paying top dollar for it.

The belligerence and nostalgia of old dictators is very dangerous.

"Putin should just take what he's got and get out..." What does that mean. He should take the territory Russia is occupied and take it back to Russia?

18 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

See what, where and how?

just one link for you

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsliverpool/uk-conscription-age-range-for-ww3-explained-as-germany-brings-in-military-rule/ar-AA20cwCJ

If Russia were to attack a NATO country, which nations do you think would respond? Spain? Belgium? Germany?

15 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

It would only take an air campaign to ruin Russia's day in Ukraine. The air force would knock holes in the Russian lines, disrupt their supply lines, and allow Ukrainian ground forces to do their thing.

Just like the mighty military of Uncle Sam and BiBi have done in Iran ?

..except Russia is better armed than Iran and also the largest country in the world..not to mention the nukes

but I just did oh ohh !!

Youtube has a lot of video's from Times of India.

You have to take them with a large grain of salt.

5 minutes ago, johng said:

Just like the mighty military of Uncle Sam and BiBi have done in Iran ?

..except Russia is better armed than Iran and also the largest country in the world..not to mention the nukes

but I just did oh ohh !!

US AirPower would obliterate Russian forces in Ukraine. Whenever the USA has gone up against Russian equipment, the USA has dominated. You need to come to the realization that the USA military outclasses Russia.

36 minutes ago, Sir Dude said:

If the West went all in, it would be a massacre.

Yes it would..do you know that Russia out produces bullets and shells x 5 the production of the entire

NATO /US production ? you also might want to remember Kursk and Stalingrad.

but don't listen to me I'm off to get my new hat. 😋

10 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Putin is threatening to attack EU drone factories that are sending drones to Ukraine.

nahhhh nothing to worry about he's a PACO

24 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

Whenever the USA has gone up against Russian equipment the USA has dominated.

Says you...and also the US equipment is indeed very expensive and high tech but the Russians can and do vastly out produce 'good enough' equipment..we just saw the Iranians fight the US/Isreal to a stand still.

I still love the space pen thing when the US spent millions inventing a pen that would write with low gravity

in space the Russians just used a pencil. 😄

1 hour ago, johng said:

NATO, EU, US has been involved egging on and backing Ukraine with sanctions,money,military equipment

and military intelligence from the beginning ..the only thing they haven't sent is boots on the ground..we can see that they are indeed gearing up towards conscripting young feckless Europeans to go fight for Ukraine.

If Putin carries out his threat, this should be viewed in the same way as the SMO in Ukraine i.e. that it would be an appropriate, perfectly justified, defensive measure on Russia's part in the face of economic and military aggression on the part of the EU and NATO. There is overwhelming evidence to support this viewpoint .... oh, hold on a minute ....🤔🤦

10 hours ago, TedG said:

This why I support the EU kicking the USA out of NATO and going at it alone. They can do it.

No doubt. It's the US I'm worried about....

1 hour ago, johng said:

NATO, EU, US has been involved egging on and backing Ukraine with sanctions,money,military equipment

and military intelligence from the beginning ..the only thing they haven't sent is boots on the ground..we can see that they are indeed gearing up towards conscripting young feckless Europeans to go fight for Ukraine.

Europe will defend itself from the murderous Putin. The war in Ukraine is a war Putin will lose, and if he expands it to other parts of Europe it will only hasten his demise.

Putin will not win in Ukraine, and he bet the house on that war. He will lose his house and his life.