What seems to be getting lost in the fog of war is the fact that it might be okay for Iran to have a nuclear weapon. After all Israel has many, and they are the new terrorist nation in the Middle East. North Korea has several as well as several other nations. It would also serve as a deterrent to Israel's destructive ambitions in the region.

Israel’s efforts to neutralize the Iranian nuclear capabilities are facing many logistic obstacles and difficulties, in parallel with the associated caveats and threats. This might eventually force Israel “to co-exist with nuclear-armed Iran,” wrote Max Hastings, a British journalist and in The Times on April 10, 2023 that explained the difficulty and futility of resorting to a military option as a final solution.

Resorting to the military option of neutralizing Iran’s nuclear program will neither completely destroy this program nor limit Iran’s capability to possess nuclear weapons. Assuming that Iran’s nuclear facilities could be entirely destroyed with a military strike, Iran would simply rebuild its nuclear program within a short period due to the in-depth experience it gained over many years in this field and the large number of nuclear scientists and experts it has.

To underscore this point, Hasting’s article in The Times quoted the former Israeli Deputy National Security Advisor Chuck Freilich: “Iran has the requisite knowledge today to reconstitute the program, even after a completely successful attack. Military action is thus no longer an option for eliminating the program, only for gaining time.”

At this time when there were so many crises around the world it would make more sense to focus on things that really matter. Rather than getting us involved in more endless overseas adventures (excursions), at who knows what cost, without an end game in sight.

That kind of thing is just dumb to a mind-boggling extent, which more or less describes the orange clown, in his entirety.

https://strategiecs.com/en/analyses/what-if-iran-had-the-nuclear-bomb

Edited May 2May 2 by spidermike007

Look an American dude that hates Trump so much he's willing to have his entire country decimated.

The sickness is real

Just now, Yagoda said:

Look an American dude that hates Trump so much he's willing to have his entire country decimated.

The sickness is real

Safer to have it obliterated.......them nothing seems to change??? Strange.

Just now, spidermike007 said:

What seems to be getting lost in the fog of war is the fact that it might be okay for Iran to have a nuclear weapon. After all Israel has many, and they are the new terrorist nation in the Middle East. North Korea has several as well as several other nations. It would also serve as a deterrent to Israel's destructive ambitions in the region.

Israel’s efforts to neutralize the Iranian nuclear capabilities are facing many logistic obstacles and difficulties, in parallel with the associated caveats and threats. This might eventually force Israel “to co-exist with nuclear-armed Iran,” wrote Max Hastings, a British journalist and in The Times on April 10, 2023 that explained the difficulty and futility of resorting to a military option as a final solution.

Resorting to the military option of neutralizing Iran’s nuclear program will neither completely destroy this program nor limit Iran’s capability to possess nuclear weapons. Assuming that Iran’s nuclear facilities could be entirely destroyed with a military strike, Iran would simply rebuild its nuclear program within a short period due to the in-depth experience it gained over many years in this field and the large number of nuclear scientists and experts it has.

To underscore this point, Hasting’s article in The Times quoted the former Israeli Deputy National Security Advisor Chuck Freilich: “Iran has the requisite knowledge today to reconstitute the program, even after a completely successful attack. Military action is thus no longer an option for eliminating the program, only for gaining time.”

At this time when there were so many crises around the world it would make more sense to focus on things that really matter. Rather than getting us involved in more endless overseas adventures (excursions), at who knows what cost, without an end game in sight.

That kind of thing is just dumb to a mind-boggling extent, which more or less describes the orange clown, in his entirety.

https://strategiecs.com/en/analyses/what-if-iran-had-the-nuclear-bomb

by Dr. Shehata Al-Arabi

• Release Date – May 30, 2023

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

by Dr. Shehata Al-Arabi

• Release Date – May 30, 2023

He stole intellectual property again?

Remember that when he steals someone elses words to call Trump a thief.

Just now, Yagoda said:

He stole intellectual property again?

Remember that when he steals someone elses words to call Trump a thief.

Which part of the source link, included at the bottom of the post, is it that you didn't see?

Let's all have one. Or quite a few.

Like gibing a monkey a automatic rifle to play with

Just now, mfd101 said:

Let's all have one. Or quite a few.

Honestly I think that would be the best, since it almost guarantees nobody will use them

Just now, CallumWK said:

Which part of the source link, included at the bottom of the post, is it that you didn't see?

You mean the one edited in?

Just now, Yagoda said:

You mean the one edited in?

Yes the one edited in SIX HOURS ago, not at the time of your post or the one you replied to.

Just now, CallumWK said:

Yes the one edited in SIX HOURS ago, not at the time of your post or the one you replied to.

OK. You know what a question mark is?

Just now, Yagoda said:

OK. You know what a question mark is?

Yes I do, and I also know what a deluded personality is.

Why 1 hour ago you accused the OP about stealing intellectual property, while the source link was there 6 hours ago?

Good weed, yeah?

Just now, CallumWK said:

Yes I do, and I also know what a deluded personality is.

Why 1 hour ago you accused the OP about stealing intellectual property, while the source link was there 6 hours ago?

Good weed, yeah?

Well then you dont know what a question mark is LOL

Give up LOL

The Weed is superb this morning. LAXCC in Los Angeles, right near the airport a new strain

Edited May 2May 2 by Yagoda
my fingers dont work so well

I agree with this topic. In fact it was mentioned on teh pivot youtube channel with Kara swisher snd scot galloway

Just now, Yagoda said:

Look an American dude that hates Trump so much he's willing to have his entire country decimated.

The sickness is real

Sorry, you are sick

Just now, Roadsternut said:

To answer your question, because you have become extremely agitated by it, due to, your own admission, the intake of narcotic substances.

The OP has not stolen IP. US law allows Fair Use. UK law allows Fair dealing.

An examination of the posting indicates:

1. The source is provided.

2. Selected passages are used.

3. The OP has added his own thoughts.

It is still can be seen as plagiarism because the source information is not properly credited and the information is not presented as a quote from that source. It is a common error of freshmen uni students who do word dumps and assume that if they mention the source at the bottom of the page that it gets them off the hook. It does not. The comments must be either interpreted with attribution of the original theory or proposal or presented as a direct quote.

Just now, advancebooking said:

I agree with this topic. In fact it was mentioned on teh pivot youtube channel with Kara swisher snd scot galloway

Its a debate worth opening up about why Iran wants a nuclear weopon (or two or 100 or 1000). Its not as simple as "to destroy Israel etc"; if the Iranian regime was a self-destructive type, content to risk instant immolation if it meant that Israel could be destroyed (or very seriously damaged), arguably , its had the means to do that for decades now. The Shahab-3 could just about reach Israel, and that entered service 30 years ago. The Ghadr-110 entered service about 2007, and could reliably hit anywhere in Israel.

Iran is known to have been on the receiving end of Iraqi chemical attacks, using mustard, sarin, tabun and other agents. There are reports Iran responded in some form. The Iranian economy is sophisicated and diverse. They are not just an oil based economy. They manufacture aircraft, cars, pharmaceuticals etc. They have a well developed organophosphate pesticide industry. This industry handles vast quantities of dual use chemicals, that can be put into manufactue of nerve agents. The manufacture of nerve agents is not hard nor novel, and is well described 100 year old process.

Similarly biological weapons; the biologicals are not difficult, the stages to weaponise are significant, but at the state level, not that terribly hard if you have a vaccination production capability.

So, if we posit the position that Iran is run by an extreme religious death cult with the single ambition of destroying Israel, even at the probable cost of the destruction of Iran (that's how death cults work).

So Iran could have chemical weapons; super easy, barely an inconvenience. It could have biological weapons, a bit more difficult, a bit of an inconvenience (mainly because the effectiveness of BWs remains a bit untested). We are told it has the capability to make nuclear weapons. We know from our own history, nuclear weapons consume enormous resources to develop and deploy. Inflation adjusted, the Manhatten project cost $35bn in todays money. The total cost of the US nuclear arsenal has been $10 trillion. Pakistan spent about $15billion getting the bomb.

Iran, at the end of the day, is not a rich country. It has social needs, The government came to power because of popular protests against the Shah, and sky high unemployment and inflation. It might be despotic, but it still has to make policy choices, and throw the people a few bones.

So, to return, if the Islamic Republic of Iran exists to seek the complete destruction of Israel, why hasn't it? Since 1979, certainly by 1990, its had the means to cause extremely high casualties in Israel, likely enough for it to disintegrate Israel as a functioning state. Sure, Israel would strike back and wipe out Iran. By 2010, it had the means to reliably deliver such packages to Israel, and this was before Iron Dome. We know now conventional missile defences are quite easily overwhelmed. Iran could have spent the last 47 years building a massive chemical missile force. A lot easier, technically, and cheaper. But it hasn't. It first attacked Israel with long range missiles in 2024, in response to Israeli attacks and assassinations.

Gaining nuclear weapons wouldn't make it more likely for Iran to survive an Israeli nuclear strike. But it does allow a non-nuclear conflict to occur between the two countries by deterring Israel from a nuclear strike.

Iran's outlook on the world is based on an anti-colonial mindset. Rightly or wrongly, it blames American and European imperialism and interferance for its troubles and difficulties. It want nuclear weapons to stop that interferance. For instance, if Iran decided to redevelop Bander Abbas as a new port for the Russian and Chinese navies, likely there would be a reaction from America and its allies, on the grounds that its not Iran's right to do that. Even though it actually is.

The talks, if either party was actually serious about them (the Americans aren't by sending essentially a pair of Estate Agents with a track record of zero successful negotiations) might go better if they included why Iran wants nuclear weapons. Currently its along the lines of:

You can't have nuclear weapons

But you will attack us if we don't have nuclear weapons

America went to war in Vietnam, Iraq (x2), Afghanistan because it is a nuclear power. Russia went to war in Georgia and Ukraine because it is a nuclear power.

There needs to be carrot and stick; how do you assure Iran that is doesn't need nuclear weapons, and why Pakistan was allowed to have them, but not Iran.

Trolling and bickering posts removed. Keep it on topic and keep it civil. Personal attacks will be removed. Trolling will be removed.

I have the feeling that having a nuke is about the only way Iran stops from getting nuked. Trump insinuated that was his intention when he bragged about "destroying a civilization."
So we have two nuclear armed country threatening a non-nuclear armed country with war because they have the capability to make one even though at this present time they don't have a nuclear weapons program, and there is still an Islamic Fatwa in place making the creation of a nuke "haram" or against the tenets of Islam.

I think they'd be in a better position if they took a queue from North Korea. Build them and let every nation on Earth know you have them so they'll leave you alone. But I don't believe they will build one. But as MIT physicist and professor Ted Postol stated in an interview, by his estimations if the US and/or Israel nuke Iran, Iran has the underground capability of building nukes in 2 weeks to 1 month after which Israel would cease to exist as a country.

Yeah really - about the only way they'll be left alone by the US and Israel is by having nukes now just like North Korea. Sad as that may be. This shouldn't even be a topic, but here we are after two nuclear armed countries decide to engage in an unprovoked war of aggression on a non-nuclear country. I now expect Turkey, Iraq, KSA, and other ME/NA countries to start considering starting nuclear weapons programs to protect themselves for US and Israel aggression and nuclear threats.

The only solution is either Israel is forced to get rid of its nukes or Iran has them as well. Obviously the first option would be preferable.

This unprovoked war instigated by Israel and the US even while negotiations were taking place to address the nuclear situation has and will not stop Iran from getting a nuclear deterrent.

This war has only made that more probable despite whatever agreement may be made to end it. Iran will simply become nuclear capable either secretly within Iran or from another source. The war has only made them more convinced of that.

Iran does and will feel that as long as Israel has a nuclear capability and they are under threat from both Israel and the US then they must have the same capability for its own protection.

If you don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons the first step would be to remove Israels.

Step 1. Remove treaty barriers to Iran building a nuclear weapon

Step 2. Instigate an illegal U.S./Israeli (nuclear armed nations) war of aggression against Iran and provide Iran with the water tight argument to build a nuclear weapon.

It’s no longer about should Iran have a nuclear weapon, it’s now about the reasons Iran needs a nuclear weapon.

As a sovereign nation no longer bound by the JPCOA, Iran has the sovereign right and military imperative to obtain one.

Since having a psychopath as a leader is no impediment to a nation having nukes (e.g., the US, Israel, Russia, North Korea), perhaps it's fair EVERYBODY gets nukes.

Total, 100%, mutually assured destruction. Even San Marino and the Vatican should have nukes. Serbia and Bosnia y Herzegovina....be nice to each other. Cambodia and Thailand...never mind about 50 odd feat or border and a pagoda. Israel and Lebanon/Syria.....who needs buffer zones to buffer zones when nuclear fallout knows no borders. Iran and Israel...maybe Israel will stop "mowing the lawn". Israel and the Palestinian Authority...maybe illegal settlements stop on the West Bank.

If Ukraine hadn't given up it's nukes back in the early 1990s, Putin never would have invaded.

Pakistan and India hate each other, even when playing cricket. Both have nukes. Both claim Kashmir. Nobody has used them, and clashes, though they occur periodically, only last a week or two.

The current situation gives way too much power and authority to nations who no longer deserve it, and who are run by psychopaths. Trump pretends he's such a bigshot, bullying even Canada and Denmark. He'd shut up in a second if he knew Canada could nuke Mar-a-Lago.

If Mutually Assured Destruction was good enough for the Cold War, let's get everyone in the game.

And if it doesn't work, so be it. The Universe won't miss the US or Israel or Iran or the terribly flawed human species, where no one is more flawed than Trump, Netayahu, Kim Jong-un and Putin.

Just now, Wingate said:

Since having a psychopath as a leader is no impediment to a nation having nukes (e.g., the US, Israel, Russia, North Korea), perhaps it's fair EVERYBODY gets nukes.

Total, 100%, mutually assured destruction. Even San Marino and the Vatican should have nukes. Serbia and Bosnia y Herzegovina....be nice to each other. Cambodia and Thailand...never mind about 50 odd feat or border and a pagoda. Israel and Lebanon/Syria.....who needs buffer zones to buffer zones when nuclear fallout knows no borders. Iran and Israel...maybe Israel will stop "mowing the lawn". Israel and the Palestinian Authority...maybe illegal settlements stop on the West Bank.

If Ukraine hadn't given up it's nukes back in the early 1990s, Putin never would have invaded.

Pakistan and India hate each other, even when playing cricket. Both have nukes. Both claim Kashmir. Nobody has used them, and clashes, though they occur periodically, only last a week or two.

The current situation gives way too much power and authority to nations who no longer deserve it, and who are run by psychopaths. Trump pretends he's such a bigshot, bullying even Canada and Denmark. He'd shut up in a second if he knew Canada could nuke Mar-a-Lago.

If Mutually Assured Destruction was good enough for the Cold War, let's get everyone in the game.

And if it doesn't work, so be it. The Universe won't miss the US or Israel or Iran or the terribly flawed human species, where no one is more flawed than Trump, Netayahu, Kim Jong-un and Putin.

Problem with that reasoning is the idiot or fanatic at the top. Think of trump, nethanyahu, khameini and there are more.

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

As a sovereign nation no longer bound by the JPCOA, Iran has the sovereign right and military imperative to obtain one.

Too bad for you they will never have one

Just now, Yagoda said:

Too bad for you they will never have one

Absolutely nothing to do with me.

And… never say never.

The mullahs will get nuke from Russia or Korea and use it for sure

Just now, Yagoda said:

It has all to do with you. Your entire reason for existence is to hate Jews, Trump and the USA.

All the more reason to destroy their civilization and nurture a new one.

Absolute nonsense, but to be fair it is after down.

Just now, 3NUMBAS said:

The mullahs will get nuke from Russia or Korea and use it for sure

Iran will get a nuclear weapon and thereafter will not be subjected to illegal wars of aggression .

Edited May 3May 3 by Chomper Higgot

On 5/3/2026 at 7:27 PM, 3NUMBAS said:

The mullahs will get nuke from Russia or Korea and use it for sure

"Use it for sure"? How are you sure? Can you explain why, in 47 years, Iran has never initiated a mass nerve agent missile attack on Israel despite nerve agents (modified organophosphate pesticides) being much easier to produce than a single nuclear weapon (so easy, a Japanese cult, Aum Shunryko produced Sarin)? The reason, of course, is that Iran would be destroyed if that occurred. The same would happen if they used atomic weapons.

Explain the process where the Russian state will transfer a nuclear weapon, including control, to Iran?