9 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

OK, so why did Israel bomb Iran ?

Because they are the only country left that unyieldingly oppose Israeli domination of the Middle East, by fair means or foul.

Edited May 7May 7 by Jeff the Chef

8 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Because they are the only country left that unyieldingly oppose Israeli domination of the Middle East, by fair means or foul.

And what will happen after Jews dominate the Middle East ?

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

And what will happen after Jews dominate the Middle East ?

It will never happen, there time is coming to a close, they will either comply with the UN or before long the US support will disappear, the rest of the World have had enough of the BS of Israeli terrorism going back to before their creation.

24 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

It will never happen, there time is coming to a close, they will either comply with the UN or before long the US support will disappear, the rest of the World have had enough of the BS of Israeli terrorism going back to before their creation.

What will Israel have to comply with (U.N) ?

13 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

What will Israel have to comply with (U.N) ?

Not getting into your normal Q & A about the UN and Israel's non compliance, if you don't know by now you'll never know.

Suffice to say Israel is a Pariah State in the eyes of the majority of the World, and without US backing they are nothing.

19 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Not getting into your normal Q & A about the UN and Israel's non compliance, if you don't know by now you'll never know.

Suffice to say Israel is a Pariah State in the eyes of the majority of the World, and without US backing they are nothing.

You wont answer because you have no idea what you are talking about .

"comply with the UN" , sounds good, but you have no idea what it means .

22 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

a Pariah State in the eyes of the majority of the World, and without US backing they are nothing.

And will be nothing.

Likely won't even make it to 100.

Whether Israel will reach its 100th anniversary in 2048 is a subject of intense debate among political analysts, historians, and officials, with views split between those who see it as a resilient state and those who predict a collapse due to internal and external crises.

As of early 2026, with the country celebrating its 76th independence amidst severe security, economic, and political challenges, the debate includes the following perspectives:

• Internal Fragmentation: Some analysts and former officials, such as Prof. Eugene Kandel and Ron Tzur, argue that without significant changes to its social and political structure, Israel risks falling apart due to internal polarization, institutional failure, and a weakening of the judiciary.

• Security and Demographic Crises: Retired Israeli generals have warned that existential threats from Lebanon, Syria, and Gaza, coupled with the long-term demographic trend where non-Jews could outnumber Jews between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean, threaten the state's future.

• International Isolation: Some opinions suggest that growing international condemnation over the occupation and the rise of the Boycott, Divest and Sanction (BDS) movement could create a situation similar to apartheid South Africa, leading to collapse.

• Generational Shift: There is concern that younger generations of Israelis may not hold the same commitment to the nation-state project as their predecessors.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure why you are posting this garbage “some conspiracy about Jews wanting to take over the World ”

Nobody is making any such claim in this thread and I myself have never made such a claim anywhere at any time.

I was close , Jeff said they wanted to take over the Middle East.

So not taking over the World, but dominating the Middle East .

I was close.

Thanks Jeff

15 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You wont answer because you have no idea what you are talking about .

"comply with the UN" , sounds good, but you have no idea what it means .

I know nothing, the UN are a bunch of Cowboys and Israel are the Indians, that will go down well with the White settlers of the good ole US of A.

Israel has a long history of non-compliance with United Nations resolutions, reports, and international legal rulings, with the relationship strained further by the conflict that began in October 2023. The UN has documented numerous instances of Israel ignoring Security Council resolutions, disregarding rulings from the International Court of Justice (ICJ), and restricting the activities of UN agencies.

Key Areas of Non-Compliance (As of 2024-2026):

UNRWA and Humanitarian Access: In October 2024, the Israeli Knesset passed legislation banning the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) from operating in areas under Israeli control, severely hindering aid distribution in Gaza. UN officials described this as a "blatant" violation of international law.

Settlements and Occupation: Israel continues to expand settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which the UN consistently recognizes as a violation of international law and a violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

ICJ Rulings and Legal Action: The ICJ has declared Israel's occupation unlawful and demanded its end. Israel has rejected these rulings as "fundamentally wrong" and "one-sided".

Targeting UN Personnel: As of 2025, over 300 UN personnel have been killed in Gaza, with the UN reporting targeted strikes on its facilities.

Non-Cooperation with Investigations: Israel has consistently refused to cooperate with UN inquiries, including the Commission of Inquiry investigating human rights violations

UN and International Response:

The UN General Assembly has demanded that Israel end its "unlawful presence" in the Palestinian territories.

Calls for Accountability: There are increasing calls for sanctions, and some officials have suggested reviewing Israel’s membership in the UN, similar to measures taken against South Africa during apartheid.

Allegations of Genocide: A UN Commission of Inquiry stated that Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, a claim Israel vehemently denies.

The United States has historically provided diplomatic cover for Israel at the UN Security Council, vetoing dozens of resolutions that were critical of Israel.

12 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I know nothing, the UN are a bunch of Cowboys and Israel are the Indians, that will go down well with the White settlers of the good ole US of A.

Israel has a long history of non-compliance with United Nations resolutions, reports, and international legal rulings, with the relationship strained further by the conflict that began in October 2023. The UN has documented numerous instances of Israel ignoring Security Council resolutions, disregarding rulings from the International Court of Justice (ICJ), and restricting the activities of UN agencies.

Key Areas of Non-Compliance (As of 2024-2026):

UNRWA and Humanitarian Access: In October 2024, the Israeli Knesset passed legislation banning the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) from operating in areas under Israeli control, severely hindering aid distribution in Gaza. UN officials described this as a "blatant" violation of international law.

Settlements and Occupation: Israel continues to expand settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which the UN consistently recognizes as a violation of international law and a violation of Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

ICJ Rulings and Legal Action: The ICJ has declared Israel's occupation unlawful and demanded its end. Israel has rejected these rulings as "fundamentally wrong" and "one-sided".

Targeting UN Personnel: As of 2025, over 300 UN personnel have been killed in Gaza, with the UN reporting targeted strikes on its facilities.

Non-Cooperation with Investigations: Israel has consistently refused to cooperate with UN inquiries, including the Commission of Inquiry investigating human rights violations

UN and International Response:

The UN General Assembly has demanded that Israel end its "unlawful presence" in the Palestinian territories.

Calls for Accountability: There are increasing calls for sanctions, and some officials have suggested reviewing Israel’s membership in the UN, similar to measures taken against South Africa during apartheid.

Allegations of Genocide: A UN Commission of Inquiry stated that Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, a claim Israel vehemently denies.

The United States has historically provided diplomatic cover for Israel at the UN Security Council, vetoing dozens of resolutions that were critical of Israel.

Did you do a web search and post the results ?

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Did you do a web search and post the results ?

Did you find any untruths in those facts?

15 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Did you find any untruths in those facts?

Didnt read it .

I can do web searches myself, if needed .

I dont usually read Webserch C&Ps

If you cannot be bothered to write it , then I cannot be bothered to read it

Ancient Persian proverb:

A nuke a day keeps Uncle Bibi away.

Whoever posted this topic has to be a contender for troll of the Year award I will stand by what I have said about this topic from the beginning

No, it's not okay for Iran to have nuclear weapons. But it's not okay for the USA, Russia, Israel, etc., to have them either.

One would have to ask, though, if Iran did have nuclear weapons, would Trump (USA, my country) be so aggressive as to attack them?

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It would just increase the risk of yet another nail in the coffin for our planet. The more countries who possess nuclear bombs the more likely it is that, sooner or later. one of them will set off a nuclear holocaust.

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

No, it's not okay for Iran to have nuclear weapons. But it's not okay for the USA, Russia, Israel, etc., to have them either.

One would have to ask, though, if Iran did have nuclear weapons, would Trump (USA, my country) be so aggressive as to attack them?

Absolutely not, and that is the strongest argument for allowing Iran to move forward and develop nuclear weapons, they'll never use them, as they wound be obliterated, but they will remain a huge deterrent especially to America and Israel.

On 5/3/2026 at 4:47 AM, Roadsternut said:

Its a debate worth opening up about why Iran wants a nuclear weopon (or two or 100 or 1000). Its not as simple as "to destroy Israel etc"; if the Iranian regime was a self-destructive type, content to risk instant immolation if it meant that Israel could be destroyed (or very seriously damaged), arguably , its had the means to do that for decades now. The Shahab-3 could just about reach Israel, and that entered service 30 years ago. The Ghadr-110 entered service about 2007, and could reliably hit anywhere in Israel.

Iran is known to have been on the receiving end of Iraqi chemical attacks, using mustard, sarin, tabun and other agents. There are reports Iran responded in some form. The Iranian economy is sophisicated and diverse. They are not just an oil based economy. They manufacture aircraft, cars, pharmaceuticals etc. They have a well developed organophosphate pesticide industry. This industry handles vast quantities of dual use chemicals, that can be put into manufactue of nerve agents. The manufacture of nerve agents is not hard nor novel, and is well described 100 year old process.

Similarly biological weapons; the biologicals are not difficult, the stages to weaponise are significant, but at the state level, not that terribly hard if you have a vaccination production capability.

So, if we posit the position that Iran is run by an extreme religious death cult with the single ambition of destroying Israel, even at the probable cost of the destruction of Iran (that's how death cults work).

So Iran could have chemical weapons; super easy, barely an inconvenience. It could have biological weapons, a bit more difficult, a bit of an inconvenience (mainly because the effectiveness of BWs remains a bit untested). We are told it has the capability to make nuclear weapons. We know from our own history, nuclear weapons consume enormous resources to develop and deploy. Inflation adjusted, the Manhatten project cost $35bn in todays money. The total cost of the US nuclear arsenal has been $10 trillion. Pakistan spent about $15billion getting the bomb.

Iran, at the end of the day, is not a rich country. It has social needs, The government came to power because of popular protests against the Shah, and sky high unemployment and inflation. It might be despotic, but it still has to make policy choices, and throw the people a few bones.

So, to return, if the Islamic Republic of Iran exists to seek the complete destruction of Israel, why hasn't it? Since 1979, certainly by 1990, its had the means to cause extremely high casualties in Israel, likely enough for it to disintegrate Israel as a functioning state. Sure, Israel would strike back and wipe out Iran. By 2010, it had the means to reliably deliver such packages to Israel, and this was before Iron Dome. We know now conventional missile defences are quite easily overwhelmed. Iran could have spent the last 47 years building a massive chemical missile force. A lot easier, technically, and cheaper. But it hasn't. It first attacked Israel with long range missiles in 2024, in response to Israeli attacks and assassinations.

Gaining nuclear weapons wouldn't make it more likely for Iran to survive an Israeli nuclear strike. But it does allow a non-nuclear conflict to occur between the two countries by deterring Israel from a nuclear strike.

Iran's outlook on the world is based on an anti-colonial mindset. Rightly or wrongly, it blames American and European imperialism and interferance for its troubles and difficulties. It want nuclear weapons to stop that interferance. For instance, if Iran decided to redevelop Bander Abbas as a new port for the Russian and Chinese navies, likely there would be a reaction from America and its allies, on the grounds that its not Iran's right to do that. Even though it actually is.

The talks, if either party was actually serious about them (the Americans aren't by sending essentially a pair of Estate Agents with a track record of zero successful negotiations) might go better if they included why Iran wants nuclear weapons. Currently its along the lines of:

America went to war in Vietnam, Iraq (x2), Afghanistan because it is a nuclear power. Russia went to war in Georgia and Ukraine because it is a nuclear power.

There needs to be carrot and stick; how do you assure Iran that is doesn't need nuclear weapons, and why Pakistan was allowed to have them, but not Iran.

Is it me are are the TROLLS (BOB cllones) starting to really proliferate here

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

No, it's not okay for Iran to have nuclear weapons. But it's not okay for the USA, Russia, Israel, etc., to have them either.

One would have to ask, though, if Iran did have nuclear weapons, would Trump (USA, my country) be so aggressive as to attack them?

Of course not. Which is why Iran will get one, one way or the other.

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Of course not. Which is why Iran will get one, one way or the other.

Just a passing thought- but how safe is it to leave the decision as to whether or not to use a nuclear bomb in the hands of the 34 ties convicted adjudicated rapist?

On 5/3/2026 at 12:17 AM, Yagoda said:

Look an American dude

And all this time I thought he was a Brit.

On 5/2/2026 at 3:58 PM, spidermike007 said:

What seems to be getting lost in the fog of war is the fact that it might be okay for Iran to have a nuclear weapon. After all Israel has many, and they are the new terrorist nation in the Middle East.

Lost all credibility in the first paragraph. 0%.

No- Israel cannot "coexist" with a nuclear Iran, because Iran has no desire to "coexist". They have been literally calling for the destruction of Israel and America in every public gathering for the past 40 years. Anybody that pretends otherwise is either delusional, stupid, or supports Iran's agenda to destroy western civilization. You can't coexist with religious nutjobs who were brainwashed their entire lives to believe you are the devil.

On 5/2/2026 at 7:58 PM, spidermike007 said:

What seems to be getting lost in the fog of war is the fact that it might be okay for Iran to have a nuclear weapon. After all Israel has many, and they are the new terrorist nation in the Middle East. North Korea has several as well as several other nations. It would also serve as a deterrent to Israel's destructive ambitions in the region.

Israel’s efforts to neutralize the Iranian nuclear capabilities are facing many logistic obstacles and difficulties, in parallel with the associated caveats and threats. This might eventually force Israel “to co-exist with nuclear-armed Iran,” wrote Max Hastings, a British journalist and in The Times on April 10, 2023 that explained the difficulty and futility of resorting to a military option as a final solution.

Resorting to the military option of neutralizing Iran’s nuclear program will neither completely destroy this program nor limit Iran’s capability to possess nuclear weapons. Assuming that Iran’s nuclear facilities could be entirely destroyed with a military strike, Iran would simply rebuild its nuclear program within a short period due to the in-depth experience it gained over many years in this field and the large number of nuclear scientists and experts it has.

To underscore this point, Hasting’s article in The Times quoted the former Israeli Deputy National Security Advisor Chuck Freilich: “Iran has the requisite knowledge today to reconstitute the program, even after a completely successful attack. Military action is thus no longer an option for eliminating the program, only for gaining time.”

At this time when there were so many crises around the world it would make more sense to focus on things that really matter. Rather than getting us involved in more endless overseas adventures (excursions), at who knows what cost, without an end game in sight.

That kind of thing is just dumb to a mind-boggling extent, which more or less describes the orange clown, in his entirety.

https://strategiecs.com/en/analyses/what-if-iran-had-the-nuclear-bomb

from your source.

Policy Analysis by Dr. Shehata Al-Arabi (release date - May 30, 2023)

There were 2 points of view given in the analysis. For balance, you should have included the 2nd view:

"while the other sees that Iran constitutes a model of an expansionist state that is hard to be lenient towards regarding the possibility of its possession of a nuclear weapon."

Edited May 9May 9 by JensenZ

20 minutes ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

You can't coexist with religious nutjobs who were brainwashed their entire lives to believe you are the devil.

So you're saying no coexistence with Iran, Israel and USA

On 5/7/2026 at 2:43 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

And what will happen after Jews dominate the Middle East ?

Jesus will return for the rapture after the Armageddon ???

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Absolutely not, and that is the strongest argument for allowing Iran to move forward and develop nuclear weapons, they'll never use them, as they wound be obliterated, but they will remain a huge deterrent especially to America and Israel.

Obliterated by whom?

The death cult doesn't seem to care if their own people are destroyed. They've killed many thousands of them already.

If they have a nuke, they will use it, I have no doubt about that, which is why neither the Russians, Chinese nor Pakistan will sell them one , which they could easily do.

They seem to worship death and destruction.

Brainwashed religious nutters.

Edited May 9May 9 by emptypockets

29 minutes ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

They have been literally calling for the destruction of Israel and America in every public gathering for the past 40 years. Anybody that pretends otherwise is either delusional, stupid, or supports Iran's agenda to destroy western civilization.

You might want to look into (do some research) why they call for the destruction of those two.

Iran is one of the oldest surviving civilisations.

13 minutes ago, stevenl said:

So you're saying no coexistence with Iran, Israel and USA

While both USA and Israel have SOME religious nutjobs, they are not the majority, there is rule of law, checks and balances, and a generally democratic system. Iran on the other hand is an authoritarian theocracy where secular citizens have no say, and leaders are choses rather than elected. To even suggest the two (three) are the same or silimal is just... I won't name what it is.

8 minutes ago, johng said:

You might want to look into (do some research) why they call for the destruction of those two.

Iran is one of the oldest surviving civilisations.

The current regime does not represent Iran's culture or civilization. It represents a death cult that started in 1979. It absolutely does not matter why they want to kill us all - it only matters that they do.