A Nonviolent Israeli Peace Force

Rather than bombs, killing and destruction, what is there to lose by the creation of a nonviolent  Peace Force?

This is particularly applicable to the invasion and occupation of Southern Lebanon.

How about invasion by an IPF to help Lebanese in serving the community, working in healthcare, sharing knowledge gained on the kibbutz, feeding people, providing clean water & sanitation.

Yes, yes. All you warmongering hotheads are going to tell me all the reasons it couldn’t possibly work because “They hate us” and “Hezbollah will massacre us” and other weak excuses. The excuses of cowards.

Look, they hate you for a reason. It doesn’t matter who started the fight, finishing it with nonviolence will take the moral high ground.

Can’t you even recognise this is what the Gaza aid flotillas are all about—nonviolence in action.

Obviously, violence hasn’t worked since 1909, so isn’t it time for Israelis to try something new?

Jews have been lied to by paramilitaries craving violence which has led to the violent impunity forced on the West Bank. Israelis have been lied to by each successive govt telling them a strong military is Israel’s only defence.

Int’l media coverage shows Israel as a pariah state. Nonviolent action will change people’s minds.

It’s worth a shot...not coming out of the barrel of a gun.

Don't know if you have kids but if you do or did, would you risk their lives for your cockamamie idea?

Your mind is so open your brain fell out.

I'll put this another way.

You're not a Jew yet you parade yourself as a grand authority offering up Jewish lives for very high risk basically insane ideas.

Who do you think you are?

Who is the most expert, most credible source for the safety and security of Jews?

Jews. Not you.

Similar to what Ukraine is going through.

Maga facists think they can tell Ukraine what they need for security.

They can't. Only Ukrainians can.

Very condescending of you.

Jews are not your toy to play with.

I would suggest that you find a different, more SANE, hobby.

Edited May 11May 11 by Jingthing

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

A Nonviolent Israeli Peace Force

The words Nonviolent and Israeli next to each other? Sir, the hour is late and not one for comedy.

3 minutes ago, Autocan said:

The words Nonviolent and Israeli next to each other? Sir, the hour is late and not one for comedy.

Hamas thanks you.

Keeping peace with the head chopping barbarians will never be peaceful. Ever.

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Don't know if you have kids but if you do or did, would you risk their lives for your cockamamie idea?

Your mind is so open your brain fell out.

I'll put this another way.

You're not a Jew yet you parade yourself as a grand authority offering up Jewish lives for very high risk basically insane ideas.

Who do you think you are?

Who is the most expert, most credible source for the safety and security of Jews?

Jews. Not you.

Similar to what Ukraine is going through.

Maga facists think they can tell Ukraine what they need for security.

They can't. Only Ukrainians can.

Very condescending of you.

Jews are not your toy to play with.

I would suggest that you find a different, more SANE, hobby.

What?!? Nobody else can offer solutions to the killing?!? Except, of course, Trump and his Board of Peace. Would Israelis be Bored of Peace if there were no wars?

Two of my children would join such a brigade. Come to think of it, yes, it should be an int'l brigade. A nonviolent version of the int'l brigades in the Spanish Civil War.

Why the eff not, Jing. What are you so afraid of? If they all got massacred, Israel would have its proof. If they didn't, well, it just might repair things that are broken.

Maybe Israel is too broken to fix. What a loss!

Who are you to not offer solutions???

My "hobby" has been nonviolence since childhood. Are you really so afraid to put it to the test? Maybe there really are some Israelis who would prefer peace.

44 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

What?!? Nobody else can offer solutions to the killing?!? Except, of course, Trump and his Board of Peace. Would Israelis be Bored of Peace if there were no wars?

Israel wants peace , Arbs were bombing Israel on a near daily basis before the current war and Israel ignored those bomb attacks because Israel didn't want war .

You seem to believe the anti sematic stance that Jews re monsters who wnat to kill everyone else

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Israel wants peace , Arbs were bombing Israel on a near daily basis before the current war and Israel ignored those bomb attacks because Israel didn't want war .

You seem to believe the anti sematic stance that Jews re monsters who wnat to kill everyone else

The Arabs couldn't fly anything back in 1903, at the time of the 2nd Aliyah.

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The Arabs couldn't fly anything back in 1903, at the time of the 2nd Aliyah.

I did mean the current war, pre 2023 .,

Arabs were bombing Israel on near daily basis prior to 2023

2 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

My "hobby" has been nonviolence since childhood. Are you really so afraid to put it to the test? Maybe there really are some Israelis who would prefer peace.

All Israelis' would prefer peace , do you really honestly think they like being at war and the constant missile attacks and terror attacks ?

Nick, sadly, I think Israelis have gotten used to a life of constant war. There's fear there, too, but Israeli's have felt besieged for so long, that's probably quite repressed.

Conscription, particularly universal conscription will militarise any country--patriotism, nationalism, all that BS.

Add in the constant propaganda and you've got a hypermilitarised society.

Frankly, I'm not sure if Israelis could "de-mob" from that mindset. PTSD maybe. The aggressive edge we see in young Israelis coming to Thailand?

Peace is action. Peace is not something you 'want'. Peace is something you have to live in every fibre of your being, as if your life depended on it. The alternative is war and killing, inside yourself and in the wider world.

2 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Nick, sadly, I think Israelis have gotten used to a life of constant war. There's fear there, too, but Israeli's have felt besieged for so long, that's probably quite repressed.

Conscription, particularly universal conscription will militarise any country--patriotism, nationalism, all that BS.

Add in the constant propaganda and you've got a hypermilitarised society.

Frankly, I'm not sure if Israelis could "de-mob" from that mindset. PTSD maybe. The aggressive edge we see in young Israelis coming to Thailand?

Peace is action. Peace is not something you 'want'. Peace is something you have to live in every fibre of your being, as if your life depended on it. The alternative is war and killing, inside yourself and in the wider world.

A peace agreement needs to be bilateral.

You're living in Cloud Cuckoo land.

Too bad nobody's willing to try something new. 20 people walking into the IDF zone in Southern Lebanon. Would the soldiers shoot them? Hezbollah?

I don't think so. They would be followed by an armada of media and their numbers would only grow.

Otherwise its blow-'em-up time till there are no more Jews and no more Palestinians. Maybe the land would be better off with either if they can't change their warmonger mindset.

2 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

The aggressive edge we see in young Israelis coming to Thailand?

I dont recall many, if any reports of Israelis fighting in Pattaya or Phuket .

Its more often than not Europeans

5 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

What?!? Nobody else can offer solutions to the killing?!? Except, of course, Trump and his Board of Peace. Would Israelis be Bored of Peace if there were no wars?

Two of my children would join such a brigade. Come to think of it, yes, it should be an int'l brigade. A nonviolent version of the int'l brigades in the Spanish Civil War.

Why the eff not, Jing. What are you so afraid of? If they all got massacred, Israel would have its proof. If they didn't, well, it just might repair things that are broken.

Maybe Israel is too broken to fix. What a loss!

Who are you to not offer solutions???

My "hobby" has been nonviolence since childhood. Are you really so afraid to put it to the test? Maybe there really are some Israelis who would prefer peace.

Send your kids then.

FAFO.

You have no standing sending Jews to likely deaths.

I do believe that many of those on flotillas would also sign on. Better than Israel's same-old.

Were they mowed down, as you seem to think they would, who do you think the world would blame. Even if an IPF 'fails' in this way, it turns the tables.

You don't want that? You prefer Israel being an out-of-control pariah state?

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1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I do believe that many of those on flotillas would also sign on. Better than Israel's same-old.

Were they mowed down, as you seem to think they would, who do you think the world would blame. Even if an IPF 'fails' in this way, it turns the tables.

You don't want that? You prefer Israel being an out-of-control pariah state?

Straw man garbage.

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I dont recall many, if any reports of Israelis fighting in Pattaya or Phuket .

Its more often than not Europeans

It's not about fistfights. It's just a hard edge, an aggressive manner. Women, too, just out of the IDF.

23 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Don't know if you have kids but if you do or did, would you risk their lives for your cockamamie idea?

Your mind is so open your brain fell out.

I'll put this another way.

You're not a Jew yet you parade yourself as a grand authority offering up Jewish lives for very high risk basically insane ideas.

Who do you think you are?

What is wrong with you?

@unblocktheplanet did not parade himself as anything, he only reflected about a peaceful solution to a conflict which is going on for more than a century now and you react as if he has killed your dog.

Your mind seems to be so closed and paranoid that even the thought of a peace offer is a threat to you.

23 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Who is the most expert, most credible source for the safety and security of Jews?

Jews. Not you.

Are they? If so they have done a <deleted> job so far. Jews in Israel keep killing and are killed and anti-semitism has never been so popular as it is now.

Maybe time to listen to neutral people and not those who are telling you that murdering toddlers, massacring women and children and preferably bombing hospitals and education facilities when attacking other countries are the most moral things to do, while the rest of the world sees it as what it really is: abominations.

23 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Very condescending of you.

Jews are not your toy to play with.

I would suggest that you find a different, more SANE, hobby.

You should question your own sanity: YOU are the one defending a genocide and all the other moral things your army did, from raping detainees, destroying a whole country, stealing land, starving people, shooting starving people who were standing in line for food, executing and burying aid workers, murdering a 6 year old girl who was begging for her life and performing target practice on children, which is so much beyond disgusting that I have no words for it.

Was all that and so much more, like the endless "destabilization" wars in the Middle East with Millions of lives lost, really necessary for the "safety and security of Jews"?

Who do YOU think you are to demand such a heavy toll from others.

You do not have the moral high ground here yet you have a brass neck to tell someone off for only suggesting a peaceful way to handle the conflict.

2 hours ago, Somjot said:

did not parade himself as anything, he only reflected about a peaceful solution to a conflict which is going on for more than a century now and you react as if he has killed your dog

You can't have a peaceful solution with the Palestinians because they do not want peace.

5 hours ago, Somjot said:

What is wrong with you?

@unblocktheplanet did not parade himself as anything, he only reflected about a peaceful solution to a conflict which is going on for more than a century now and you react as if he has killed your dog.

Your mind seems to be so closed and paranoid that even the thought of a peace offer is a threat to you.

Are they? If so they have done a <deleted> job so far. Jews in Israel keep killing and are killed and anti-semitism has never been so popular as it is now.

Maybe time to listen to neutral people and not those who are telling you that murdering toddlers, massacring women and children and preferably bombing hospitals and education facilities when attacking other countries are the most moral things to do, while the rest of the world sees it as what it really is: abominations.

You should question your own sanity: YOU are the one defending a genocide and all the other moral things your army did, from raping detainees, destroying a whole country, stealing land, starving people, shooting starving people who were standing in line for food, executing and burying aid workers, murdering a 6 year old girl who was begging for her life and performing target practice on children, which is so much beyond disgusting that I have no words for it.

Was all that and so much more, like the endless "destabilization" wars in the Middle East with Millions of lives lost, really necessary for the "safety and security of Jews"?

Who do YOU think you are to demand such a heavy toll from others.

You do not have the moral high ground here yet you have a brass neck to tell someone off for only suggesting a peaceful way to handle the conflict.

Troll question ignored.

unblocktheplanet did NOt offer a peace plan. He suggested that Israel send in teams UNILATERALLY without any negotiation to do good deeds, perhaps sing Joan Baez folk songs, into areas of hostility where terrorist Iran proxy forces have been attacking Israel. In other words, a suicide mission for Israeli Jews. Because it's clear that character does not care one bit about the safety of Israeli Jewish lives. He's one of those that thinks that for Israel to be fair they would voluntarily balance out their own casualties on purpose to be good war sports. Not enough Israeli dead for his appetite. No other nation in the world is expected to do such insane suicidal things. Only Israel, The one tiny Jewish one.

I have posted elsewhere MULTIPLE times what I think is a possible way to bring peace. It is not in any way UNILATERAL or SUICIDAL for either side.

I am hardly closed minded. I'm just not INSANE proposing INSANE ideas.

You -- boilerplate criticisms of Israel. Fine. We've seen it 100 times. Have at it. Cut and paste all day with that if you like.

You -- saying that has increased racist Jew hatred in the world. (I don't use the word antisemitism as the word has been distorted by racist Jew haters.)

Yes, it has increased but it is not rational or right that people should hate all Jews in the world because of the policies of Israel.

During WW2 the US president interned American Japanese in concentration camps.

That was a grave historical mistake. Japanese Americans did not have the blame for the actions of the Japanese government just as some random Jewboy in Argentina doesn't deserve blame for what Israel does.

You -- accusing me of defending a genocide. YOU LIE. STOP LYING.

I am not Israeli. Your completely insane demand answers of me addressing me as if I'm an Israeli government official. You call the IDF "my" army. The IDF is not my army.

I'm American. Unfortunately I suppose the army that might fairly be called "my" army is the US army now led by white nationalist maga fascists with no regard for international law.

I get it that you're passionate in your Israel demonization project. Direct that sanely. I am not a rational target of your rage, nor are all the Jewish people in the world. The sane target of your rage is the Israeli government.

Cheers.

Edited May 12May 12 by Jingthing

Jing, if you look carefully, you’ll see I suggested an INTERNATIONAL Peace Force, accompanied by int’l media.

Although my bet is that Israel wouldn’t let either in in the same way they block aid flotillas—that’s fear, Jing, nothing more.

You know, maybe NO Jews will join to walk into Southern Lebanon from Israel. If Israel won’t allow it, walk in from Beirut.

And, yes, let’s see who mows us down, Hezbollah or the IDF. Collateral damage, you know.

Back in my peace movement days, I knew Abie Nathan, a remarkable peacemaker who happened to be Jewish and Israeli.

Abie was a pilot. He bought a plane, named it the Shalom I. He dropped leaflets for peace over Egypt. When he landed, he was arrested. He was deported and then arrested by Israel! Peace! You can’t be serious!

He hunger-struck against Israeli settlements and met with PLO. The Knesset outlawed such meetings and Abie got 18 months for meeting with Yasser Arafat.

Can’t have peace! Can’t have Israelis looking like reasonable human beings!

He bought a ship funded by John Lennon, anchored in int’l waters and broadcast the Voice of Peace radio to Israel and its neighbours.

This is what nonviolent action is, Jing. Creating peace. Not waiting for others. Just doing it and seeing what happens. With caution but without fear.

Yes, I am suggesting a peace force to walk into the IDF’s live fire zones. Call that INSANE if you like but is it really as insane as WAR???

Every soldier knows each day could be his last. Same with an IPF.

But, no, you’re too cowardly to try anything new. And so is Israel.

It is “your” army if you defend it just as would be Russia’s or America’s. We are named by what we believe in. You believe in Israel in the opposite way I do. Apparently, you have far more support than I. Peacemakers have always acted alone, we don’t need armies to make a point.

Yes, “antisemitism” has been abused, both by Jews and others who have been labeled their haters. Jew-hatred is much more accurate.

7 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Jing, if you look carefully, you’ll see I suggested an INTERNATIONAL Peace Force, accompanied by int’l media.

There could be a U.N peace keeping force in Lebanon .

Do you think that would work ?

Would that bring peace to the region ?

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

There could be a U.N peace keeping force in Lebanon .

Do you think that would work ?

Would that bring peace to the region ?

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

There could be a U.N peace keeping force in Lebanon .

Do you think that would work ?

Would that bring peace to the region ?

This is a troll question, Nick, and you know it but I'll answer anyway.

It could work if there are no weapons. People of many nationalities helping the locals would build up trust. Of course, they would have to include Israelis.

5 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

This is a troll question, Nick, and you know it but I'll answer anyway.

It could work if there are no weapons. People of many nationalities helping the locals would build up trust. Of course, they would have to include Israelis.

My point was there has been unarmed interntional peace keeping force in the region for the last 50 odd years .

Hezbollah his behind the peacekeeping force and fired rockets from safety, using the peacekeepers as a sheild

UN peacekeepers are armed military or police trained and authorised to use their weapons as necessary. Not at all what I'm suggesting.

I'd like some references to Hezbollah using UN peacekeepers as a shield to launch their rockets.

Jing, if you look carefully, you’ll see I suggested an INTERNATIONAL Peace Force, accompanied by int’l media.

2 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Although my bet is that Israel wouldn’t let either in in the same way they block aid flotillas—that’s fear, Jing, nothing more.

You know, maybe NO Jews will join to walk into Southern Lebanon from Israel. If Israel won’t allow it, walk in from Beirut.

And, yes, let’s see who mows us down, Hezbollah or the IDF. Collateral damage, you know.

Back in my peace movement days, I knew Abie Nathan, a remarkable peacemaker who happened to be Jewish and Israeli.

Abie was a pilot. He bought a plane, named it the Shalom I. He dropped leaflets for peace over Egypt. When he landed, he was arrested. He was deported and then arrested by Israel! Peace! You can’t be serious!

He hunger-struck against Israeli settlements and met with PLO. The Knesset outlawed such meetings and Abie got 18 months for meeting with Yasser Arafat.

Can’t have peace! Can’t have Israelis looking like reasonable human beings!

He bought a ship funded by John Lennon, anchored in int’l waters and broadcast the Voice of Peace radio to Israel and its neighbours.

This is what nonviolent action is, Jing. Creating peace. Not waiting for others. Just doing it and seeing what happens. With caution but without fear.

Yes, I am suggesting a peace force to walk into the IDF’s live fire zones. Call that INSANE if you like but is it really as insane as WAR???

Every soldier knows each day could be his last. Same with an IPF.

But, no, you’re too cowardly to try anything new. And so is Israel.

It is “your” army if you defend it just as would be Russia’s or America’s. We are named by what we believe in. You believe in Israel in the opposite way I do. Apparently, you have far more support than I. Peacemakers have always acted alone, we don’t need armies to make a point.

Yes, “antisemitism” has been abused, both by Jews and others who have been labeled their haters. Jew-hatred is much more accurate.

You ate completely insane.

You address me as.if I am in charge of Isrseli government policy.

I don't even support Israeli government policy.

Tbe IDF is not in any way whatsoever ".my" army.

Desist with yoir sleazy lying games.

That s not ok

Edited May 13May 13 by Jingthing

6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

There could be a U.N peace keeping force in Lebanon .

Do you think that would work ?

Would that bring peace to the region ?

NOPE. UN peacekeepers are paid armed military and police from many nations. I'm talking about brave NONVIOLENT activists.

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Jing, if you look carefully, you’ll see I suggested an INTERNATIONAL Peace Force, accompanied by int’l media.

You ate completely insane.

You address me as.if I am in charge of Isrseli government policy.

I don't even support Israeli government policy.

Tbe IDF is not in any way whatsoever ".my" army.

Desist with yoir sleazy lying games.

That s not ok

Jing, your posts certainly sound like you support Israel's policies. Of course, you're not in charge of the IDF. But if you support their actions, yes, in fact, they are your army by choice.

Ooh, those sleazt lying liars again. New creative insults, please. This one's tiring.

23 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Jing, your posts certainly sound like you support Israel's policies. Of course, you're not in charge of the IDF. But if you support their actions, yes, in fact, they are your army by choice.

Ooh, those sleazt lying liars again. New creative insults, please. This one's tiring.

26 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Jing, your posts certainly sound like you support Israel's policies. Of course, you're not in charge of the IDF. But if you support their actions, yes, in fact, they are your army by choice.

Ooh, those sleazt lying liars again. New creative insults, please. This one's tiring.

I don’t support their actions

They are not my army.

I've said many times that what I do support is the right of Isreal to exist and defend itself the same as any other sovereign nation..

I never once voiced support for any war crimes and actions.beyond normal legal defense.

I've called Netanyahu a monster many times

To you who openly wishes for Israel's destruction that is way too much support for Israel. That they exist at all is beyond your tolerance.

I get it. You will continue to lie and call me another IDF stooge. I can't help it if you have no integrity, honesty or ethics.

I'm not in control.of you continuing to behave as a sleazy liar.

I could put you on ignore but that would be too easy for you.

Edited May 13May 13 by Jingthing