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5 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

Lets rank Pattaya by features

Nightlife 9

Food 9

Beach 2

Locals 2

Peace and harmony 1

Pollution 3

Traffic 2

Gyms 9

Golf 8

Malls 7

Weather 8

Cost 8

Safety 5

Women 3

I'm actually thinking about popping down to Patts, as I'm be at Krung Thep, and it is only 2+hrs away. Haven't been in at least 15 yrs.

2 hotels I peeked at, <1000, both have pools, not surfside though. Can't seem to find one pet friendly surfside. Rabbit, but don't feel like spending 4K, as want to give the area a fair shake, and not hang out at hotel.

Weekdays (2), so hopefully won't be super congested.

Hard to pass up seeing that '7-11', fan that I am of 🙄

Or might just hang out in KT another day, as Patts is the opposite direction from home, and usually why I talk myself out of it, when it crosses my mind. Been on east side a few times, and not much of interest, and I don't feel like hopping out to one of the islands, ferry, fees and Samet is a park, so not sure if can even take dog there.

Been to Chang and really didn't like it, but was decades ago.

Edited June 11Jun 11 by KhunLA

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I'm actually thinking about popping down to Patts, as I'm be at Krung Thep, and it is only 2+hrs away. Haven't been in at least 15 yrs.

2 hotels I peeked at, <1000, both have pools, not surfside though. Can't seem to find one pet friendly surfside. Rabbit, but don't feel like spending 4K, as want to give the area a fair shake, and not hang out at hotel.

Weekdays (2), so hopefully won't be super congested.

Hard to pass up seeing that '7-11', fan that I am of 🙄

Yeah please do. Report back.

7 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Yeah please do. Report back.

Really curious if I'd have the same negative opinion afterwards. Enjoyed 1 stay there, other 2 or 3 times was like, couldn't wait to leave.

Edited June 11Jun 11 by KhunLA

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Really curious if I'd have the same negative opinion afterwards. Enjoy 1 stay there, other 2 or 3, was like, couldn't wait to leave.

Yeah me too. I'm curious to see if I still hate it. People on here rave about it like it's paradise. I remember awful traffic, dirty streets, ugly bargirls, ugly beach. After I went to Samet and Chang and they were paradise.

36 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I'm actually thinking about popping down to Patts, as I'm be at Krung Thep, and it is only 2+hrs away. Haven't been in at least 15 yrs.

2 hotels I peeked at, <1000, both have pools, not surfside though. Can't seem to find one pet friendly surfside. Rabbit, but don't feel like spending 4K, as want to give the area a fair shake, and not hang out at hotel.

Weekdays (2), so hopefully won't be super congested.

Hard to pass up seeing that '7-11', fan that I am of 🙄

Or might just hang out in KT another day, as Patts is the opposite direction from home, and usually why I talk myself out of it, when it crosses my mind. Been on east side a few times, and not much of interest, and I don't feel like hopping out to one of the islands, ferry, fees and Samet is a park, so not sure if can even take dog there.

Been to Chang and really didn't like it, but was decades ago.

JP Villa hotel 420 baht with pool. No idea if that area is good or not.

I really like Chang. Samet is small so not much to do.

Im in Prachuap and Chumphon next month. Then onto Kanchanaburi.

10 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

JP Villa hotel 420 baht with pool. No idea if that area is good or not.

I really like Chang. Samet is small so not much to do.

Im in Prachuap and Chumphon next month. Then onto Kanchanaburi.

I'm heading back south end of this month, with Trang as one destination. Doyle got me hooked in with his vid. One beach area looked way too nice & free. Other spots he visited, I'd already been to, the one park areas a couple times, when it was free.

Edited June 11Jun 11 by KhunLA

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I'm heading back south end of this month, with Trang as one destination. Doyle got me hooked in with his vid. One beach area looked way too nice & free. Other spots he visited, I'd already been to, the one park areas a couple times, when it was free.

Looks very nice.

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Pattaya is for sex.

In your mind.

It's interesting reading the narrow minded views of people who have hardly been anywhere. Having merely skimmed the surface of some places. Then they write with authority, as if they actually know anything. 😊

4 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

In your mind.

It's interesting reading the narrow minded views of people who have hardly been anywhere. Having merely skimmed the surface of some places. Then they write with authority, as if they actually know anything. 😊

I learnt today Wiggy knows more about Muay Thai than a 10x champion.

Edited June 11Jun 11 by Rockyroad

3 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

I went there before. It was mostly a dump then. No desire to go back. Apart from gyms and restaurants I saw no appeal. Given the poor beach, trashy people and traffic it is not for me. My rankings are correct for me. Your rankings are correct for you. You have a very narrow mind.

I'm going to have to disagree with you here, in order to tell you that in this case, it's you with the very narrow mind.

If you spent your time in the sleazy centre, in cheap digs, what did you expect? That's not normal life, but a commercial hub.

It's laughable how much some of you depend on 'AI' for your 'knowledge' on anything.

8 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

I learnt today Wiggy knows more about Muay Thai than a 10x champion.

The man is obviously not working with a full set. I think a few here simply feel pity for him.

18 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I'm going to have to disagree with you here, in order to tell you that in this case, it's you with the very narrow mind.

If you spent your time in the sleazy centre, in cheap digs, what did you expect? That's not normal life, but a commercial hub.

It's laughable how much some of you depend on 'AI' for your 'knowledge' on anything.

Pattaya is a great destination for those with limited means, allowing them to feel a sense of progress in life.

3 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

I went there before. It was mostly a dump then. No desire to go back. Apart from gyms and restaurants I saw no appeal. Given the poor beach, trashy people and traffic it is not for me. My rankings are correct for me. Your rankings are correct for you. You have a very narrow mind.

I think a comparison of our posts will clearly show it is you who has the 'very narrow mind'--not to mention a preference for making sweeping, wildly incorrect pronouncements.

24 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I'm going to have to disagree with you here, in order to tell you that in this case, it's you with the very narrow mind.

If you spent your time in the sleazy centre, in cheap digs, what did you expect? That's not normal life, but a commercial hub.

It's laughable how much some of you depend on 'AI' for your 'knowledge' on anything.

I depend on gut feel. After 24 hours I either like a city or I don't. I'm usually right.

You Patts lover are far too sensitive.

3 minutes ago, newnative said:

I think a comparison of our posts will clearly show it is you who has the 'very narrow mind'--not to mention a preference for making sweeping, wildly incorrect pronouncements.

No, you just can't handle different opinions. Common with old people set in their ways. You're right in your mind and anyone who says the opposite is wrong but there is no right or wrong. It is just opinions.

11 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

Pattaya is a great destination for those with limited means, allowing them to feel a sense of progress in life.

Apart from a large 7/11 and crappy beaches what does it have more of than Bangkok? Patts lovers can't provide a good answer because Bangkok is 10 times larger and has more of everything except a bad beach.

I see they're at it again, spouting lies, exaggerations and other nonsense. Well, like others have said, and I already knew, their types never change, and were broken since birth.

Take pity on someone who's busted you? LOL Sorry, not needed, as I figured your kind out long before you left mommy. Those who don't yet know all about you two will surely open their eyes soon enough, and the pity will be leveraged towards you.

One actually interpreted what I said about how to pronounce Muay Thai into I knew more about Muay Thai than a champion. They actually comment when they're out where the buses don't run. Now let's see what inventive comebacks the troubled twins have now, as , like 12 other members already have said in PM's, they aren't worth our time.

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I see they're at it again, spouting lies, exaggerations and other nonsense. Well, like others have said, and I already knew, their types never change, and were broken since birth.

Take pity on someone who's busted you? LOL Sorry, not needed, as I figured your kind out long before you left mommy. Those who don't yet know all about you two will surely open their eyes soon enough, and the pity will be leveraged towards you.

One actually interpreted what I said about how to pronounce Muay Thai into I knew more about Muay Thai than a champion. They actually comment when they're out where the buses don't run. Now let's see what inventive comebacks the troubled twins have now, as , like 12 other members already have said in PM's, they aren't worth our time.

You live in a fantasy world. Actually sad how delusional you are.

23 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

I depend on gut feel. After 24 hours I either like a city or I don't. I'm usually right.

You Patts lover are far too sensitive.

Gut feeling? Like Mr D Trump?

Why do you feel the need to defend such a nonsensical stance? It just diminishes any credibility you might have built up.

Why not just concede that you don't know that much and that you defer to expert opinion? Why pretend that you know it all? Do you know who else does just that? Do you want to be seen in the same category as that person?

11 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

as , like 12 other members already have said in PM's, they aren't worth our time.

Nice to hear that you have a support group 😊 You guys seem to really be struggling. Twelve eh? Does that amount to a herd?

Comparison

Food Bangkok

Nightlife Bangkok

Daytime Phuket and Chiang Mai

Beaches Phuket

Airports Bangkok

Trains Bangkok

Malls Bangkok

Dentists and medical Bangkok

Pollution Phuket

Cost of living CM and Pattaya

Mountains CM

Pattaya only tops one item!

1 hour ago, Off Piste said:

For a Western eating expat, Pattaya has by far the best value Western food in Thailand. It is a real draw for many and understandably so......I really don't know how f+b operators manage to offer such great deals. It's as if it's a spiralling race to the bottom to compete for many, which is a real pity as many put alot of effort into trying to offer decent fayre................Survival of the fittest..it's a tough gig, only pros really need apply....................

If food is the most important factor, Bangkok and Kuala Lumpur are definitely two of the best and most affordable cities in Asia. KL may be more difficult when it comes to visas, but food-wise, it is hard to beat.

In Bangkok, you can still find central studios for under 15,000 baht a month, with easy access to both the BTS and MRT.

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Really curious if I'd have the same negative opinion afterwards. Enjoyed 1 stay there, other 2 or 3 times was like, couldn't wait to leave.

The only negative with Pattaya is:

The traffic and crowds high season and some weekends.

The polluted beaches

The sewer smell

29 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

No, you just can't handle different opinions. Common with old people set in their ways. You're right in your mind and anyone who says the opposite is wrong but there is no right or wrong. It is just opinions.

Again, I cannot concur with your statements here. Your opinion is based on a minimal set of data, whereas @newnative has wide ranging experience.

In any other format, would you trust a expert or someone who took one lesson whilst at High School?

Let this one go...

1 hour ago, IsmeUno said:

In your mind.

It's interesting reading the narrow minded views of people who have hardly been anywhere. Having merely skimmed the surface of some places. Then they write with authority, as if they actually know anything. 😊

I have been to Pattaya many times (I guess about 17 times). I have never had sex apart with my Thai wife.

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The only negative with Pattaya is:

The traffic and crowds high season and some weekends.

The polluted beaches

The sewer smell

A nonsense post. Those were just your impressions based on where you traversed. To suggest that they are all encompassing based on your limited experience, merely illustrates a form of unbridled arrogance.

Edited June 11Jun 11 by IsmeUno

10 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Gut feeling? Like Mr D Trump?

Why do you feel the need to defend such a nonsensical stance? It just diminishes any credibility you might have built up.

Why not just concede that you don't know that much and that you defer to expert opinion? Why pretend that you know it all? Do you know who else does just that? Do you want to be seen in the same category as that person?

What is an expert opinion? You either like something or you don't. If a film wins an Oscar is it really better than another? Nope it is just an opinion. All opinions are biased.

5 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Again, I cannot concur with your statements here. Your opinion is based on a minimal set of data, whereas @newnative has wide ranging experience.

In any other format, would you trust a expert or someone who took one lesson whilst at High School?

Let this one go...

Name 5 areas where Patts beats Bangkok?

1 minute ago, Rockyroad said:

What is an expert opinion? You either like something or you don't. If a film wins an Oscar is it really better than another? Nope it is just an opinion. All opinions are biased.

Expert opinion would be one that has a lot of experience on a subject or a range of subjects. An inexpert opinion would be someone with very little experience.

Did I really need to explain that? Drop the ego, it's not necessary. You don't have to be like @fredwiggy and @Hummin in thinking that you need to win every discussion. It's not combat nor a competition.

Edited June 11Jun 11 by IsmeUno

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The only negative with Pattaya is:

The traffic and crowds high season and some weekends.

The polluted beaches

The sewer smell

That is 4 negatives.