3 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

I told you before, but your dementia has kicked in... I have asked many thais, not only my wife....

Get a hearing test. Obviously you have issues with sound. It's on Youtube with world champions in the sport saying the word lol

1 minute ago, Rockyroad said:

No Thais say Moo, only farangs. You're old with bad hearing. Go see a doctor.

Stop acting the part of an <deleted>. Thais know more about Thailand than all of you're assuming and listening to other's opinions. You're proven wrong daily and will never admit it, so stop thinking you know me or what I know, as you haven't the slightest clue. You'll be this age someday soon, but will never accomplish what I have, whether it's physical or mental. For once shut it and learn from others that are far more advanced than you, or act like you and the other moron here does, and see where it gets you.

Edited June 11Jun 11 by fredwiggy

4 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

I told you before, but your dementia has kicked in... I have asked many thais, not only my wife....

Don't bother. Just look at the reputation and how all others reply to him, along with that other critter, and you'll know arguing with him isn't going anywhere. Experts in things they know little to nothing about, with no evidence of actually being in Thailand. Your wife and my girlfriend knew more about Thailand when they were teens than he'll ever know.

8 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

even your "definition" confuses itself..first it says moi them mway..rhymes with play, did you make it up yourself...
like I said, after 25 years, in Thailand..you must have a thai friend, that can help you.... but let me guess, that 25 years...bull<deleted>e

The clown has never ever been to Thaialnd, he gets all and everything of Chat GPT.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Don't bother. Just look at the reputation and how all others reply to him, along with that other critter, and you'll know arguing with him isn't going anywhere. Experts in things they know little to nothing about, with no evidence of actually being in Thailand. Your wife and my girlfriend knew more about Thailand when they were teens than he'll ever know.

yeah, I won't reply to again..have a great day..

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Stop acting the part of an <deleted>. Thais know more about Thailand than all of you're assuming and listening to other's opinions. You're proven wrong daily and will never admit it, so stop thinking you know me or what I know, as you haven't the slightest clue. You'll be this age someday soon, but will never accomplish what I have, whether it's physical or mental. For once shut it and learn from others that are far more advanced than you, or act like you and the other moron here does, and see where it gets you.

I proved you both wrong. You're as dumb as him. World Champions in the sport say Moi not Moo but you 2 mugs pretend to be experts lol

1 minute ago, JT25 said:

The clown has never ever been to Thaialnd, he gets all and everything of Chat GPT.

Yeah, I figured he was full of <deleted>.
Have a great day.

1 minute ago, Aussie999 said:

yeah, I won't reply to again..have a great day..

You're in bad company with Fred. He dropped out of school age 15.

1 minute ago, Aussie999 said:

Yeah, I figured he was full of <deleted>.
Have a great day.

You figured wrong. Come meet me in Bangkok. We can go to a muay thai gym and ask them.

4 minutes ago, JT25 said:

The clown has never ever been to Thaialnd, he gets all and everything of Chat GPT.

Been to 60 provinces in Thailand.

6 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

Yeah, I figured he was full of <deleted>.
Have a great day.

Here you go lol

So why does Rogan, a massive fight fan and JWP a world champion in the sport say Moi and not Moo?

555

4 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

I proved you both wrong. You're as dumb as him. World Champions in the sport say Moi not Moo but you 2 mugs pretend to be experts lol

I could care less how anyone but an actual Thai says anything Thai. You seem to not understand that his wife and my girlfriend, in their 40's, at least my girlfriend is, not knowing how old his wife is, knows more about things Thai than you'll ever learn, whether you lived here 25 years ago or listened to other's opinions, which mean nothing. They were been born here, and listened all their lives how to speak not only Thai, but many combinations of the language.

Him and I aren't experts, but our women surely are. No amount of videos you post will ever override actual Thai people and what they've learned for decades. That you can't understand this is why you lose so many arguments here daily. Actual knowledge is light years more than anyone's opinions.

9 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

Yeah, I figured he was full of <deleted>.
Have a great day.

Mid July Im in Bangkok. Meet me at Victory. We can go to a gym and train. Listen to various words being pronounced.

If you decline I know why lol

1 minute ago, Rockyroad said:

So why does Rogan, a massive fight fan and JWP a world champion in the sport say Moi and not Moo?

555

Maybe it's hard for you, but actual Thais have the tones down since birth, and most foreigners will never match them no matter how long they try to speak Thai.

10 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

You're in bad company with Fred. He dropped out of school age 15.

Only a disturbed person keeps going back to childish insults that have no evidence whatsoever. Too ignorant to know you don't know anyone here personally, nor what they did in their past lives.

12 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

Yeah, I figured he was full of <deleted>.
Have a great day.

Almost impossible to have any conversation with him or his alter -ego monthly name changer without their assumptions, insults, superior acting, and know-it-all acting here. Like I did with the other weirdo, it's best to eventually just ignore, as the truth means nothing to those types.

18 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Stop acting the part of an <deleted>. Thais know more about Thailand than all of you're assuming and listening to other's opinions. You're proven wrong daily and will never admit it, so stop thinking you know me or what I know, as you haven't the slightest clue. You'll be this age someday soon, but will never accomplish what I have, whether it's physical or mental. For once shut it and learn from others that are far more advanced than you, or act like you and the other moron here does, and see where it gets you.

You should apologise for being wrong but you never do. Or do you really think Rogan and JWP don't know the sport?

JWP won the Kings Cup in Bangkok in front of 100,000 Thais. I know him. Trained in his gym. First farang to win the Kings Cup.

1 minute ago, Rockyroad said:

You should apologise for being wrong but you never do. Or do you really think Rogan and JWP don't know the sport?

JWP won the Kings Cup in Bangkok in front of 100,000 Thais. I know him. Trained in his gym. First farang to win the Kings Cup.

I would think native Thais, the many we've both mentioned, know more about how Thai is spoken than a foreigner that just practices the sport and doesn't have the tones down like locals do. He wasn't trained the Thai language since birth. Repeat that a few times so you'll understand, then actually look at the provided links and see these are other THAIS telling how it's pronounced.

19 hours ago, kwilco said:

Both have rising tones, but the pronunciation is HEEN, not HIN. I said earlier that foreign town names get mutated by common usage, and it looks as if HEEN is changing to HIn, and the tones are usually ignored by foreign speakers – as I worked exclusively with Thai speakers, I was often corrected by them on things like this.

Wrong! Ask a Thai is it short hin or long been. It's the former (as checked with my wife).

Many who have lived in Pattaya for some time, still can't pronouce it correctly

Oi, I'm livin' in Pah-TIE-ya.

22 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I would think native Thais, the many we've both mentioned, know more about how Thai is spoken than a foreigner that just practices the sport and doesn't have the tones down like locals do. He wasn't trained the Thai language since birth. Repeat that a few times so you'll understand, then actually look at the provided links and see these are other THAIS telling how it's pronounced.

Native Thais say Moi. I learnt the sport in Thai gyms. As per usual you are wrong and won't admit it.

21 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Blame the French for inserting the useless U's. Webster did the best he could without starting another war. He also used Z more liberally, as in realize. It may be simpler, but it makes some sense.

I do understand your Americanisms but the definitive English is the UK English. To jog your memory, The UK had a long history before the USA was discovered. Just a point you may like to take into account.

JWP lived in Thailand. He trained in leading gyms. He says Moi like Thais do. I followed the sport for 10 years. No Thai says Moo. Not one.

Novices say Moo.

21 hours ago, kwilco said:

Sorry it's you who are deluded – there is no such thing as "correct" English - the language is not static and changes every year – there are regional variations. To get an idea, look at the spellcheck options on Microsoft Word; there are spellcheck dictionaries for 16 distinct regional versions of English. This allows you to tailor your proofing to specific grammar and vocabulary rules (e.g., US, UK, Canada, Australia, India, and Jamaica).

The truth is that in one sense there is no such thing as "American" English or "british" English; they are the same language and in many senses American uses an older and more "original" version

Different dialects I agree but that does not make and variations the definitive one. I know Americans think they invented everything but you didnt.

21 hours ago, kwilco said:

Sorry it's you who are deluded – there is no such thing as "correct" English - the language is not static and changes every year – there are regional variations. To get an idea, look at the spellcheck options on Microsoft Word; there are spellcheck dictionaries for 16 distinct regional versions of English. This allows you to tailor your proofing to specific grammar and vocabulary rules (e.g., US, UK, Canada, Australia, India, and Jamaica).

The truth is that in one sense there is no such thing as "American" English or "british" English; they are the same language and in many senses American uses an older and more "original" version

Different dialects I agree but that does not make and variations the definitive one. I know Americans think they invented everything but you didnt.

21 hours ago, kwilco said:

The two  ways to pronounce "schedule"—"shed-yool"  and "sked-yool" ( the former is more common in UK the latter in Us English

 

It results from a mix of historical linguistic evolution, spelling, and geographic divergence. Firstly, the historical root is that the word was borrowed from Old French into English, and was originally pronounced like "sed-yool".

Then there was the  spelling shift:, the English spelling was changed to "schedule" to make it look closer to its original Latin root academics did this a lot to English – Then the popst revolution Trans-Atlantic split: Lots of people in the US were non English speaking immigrants and basic English was taught mistakenly thinking it was phonetic, so people started pronouncing words exactly how they were newly spelled,

 

Althouhgh there are regional preferences, there aren’t isn't strictly confined by borders. Many speakers in the UK use the “American” "sked-yool" pronunciation due to media influence, while some older generations and regions preserve the traditional British "shed-yool" in the US

.However bare in mind that both are broadly understood and accepted

 

Definitely. We all understand what Americans say despite their own variation of a word. We have a lot in common in many things not just language.

21 hours ago, kwilco said:

Sorry it's you who are deluded – there is no such thing as "correct" English - the language is not static and changes every year – there are regional variations. To get an idea, look at the spellcheck options on Microsoft Word; there are spellcheck dictionaries for 16 distinct regional versions of English. This allows you to tailor your proofing to specific grammar and vocabulary rules (e.g., US, UK, Canada, Australia, India, and Jamaica).

The truth is that in one sense there is no such thing as "American" English or "british" English; they are the same language and in many senses American uses an older and more "original" version

Different dialects I agree but that does not make and variations the definitive one. I know Americans think they invented everything but you didnt.

21 hours ago, kwilco said:

The two  ways to pronounce "schedule"—"shed-yool"  and "sked-yool" ( the former is more common in UK the latter in Us English

 

It results from a mix of historical linguistic evolution, spelling, and geographic divergence. Firstly, the historical root is that the word was borrowed from Old French into English, and was originally pronounced like "sed-yool".

Then there was the  spelling shift:, the English spelling was changed to "schedule" to make it look closer to its original Latin root academics did this a lot to English – Then the popst revolution Trans-Atlantic split: Lots of people in the US were non English speaking immigrants and basic English was taught mistakenly thinking it was phonetic, so people started pronouncing words exactly how they were newly spelled,

 

Althouhgh there are regional preferences, there aren’t isn't strictly confined by borders. Many speakers in the UK use the “American” "sked-yool" pronunciation due to media influence, while some older generations and regions preserve the traditional British "shed-yool" in the US

.However bare in mind that both are broadly understood and accepted

 

Definitely. We all understand what Americans say despite their own variation of a word. We have a lot in common in many things not just language.

20 hours ago, kwilco said:

largely to do with academics – they tried to align English spelling with Latin (and Greek) roots during the 16th and 17th centuries. However, history has shown that interfering with the natural organic development of English only ever has a limited effect. In the States Noah Webster had only limited success in the early 18th century – e.g., changing "centre" to "center", the problem being he then had to return to the "Latin" original for compound versions like "central" instead of "centeral"\Unlike the "académie" in France, there is no government body anywhere in the world that definitively says what is or isn't English. it has remained a more or less totally democratic language for hundreds of years.

If you right back in history I think we would all be confused. However, the common dialect we have to day is simpler. Just the same the UK version is the one more in line with the history although go back far enough and none of us would understand a single word.

21 hours ago, kwilco said:

Sorry it's you who are deluded – there is no such thing as "correct" English - the language is not static and changes every year – there are regional variations. To get an idea, look at the spellcheck options on Microsoft Word; there are spellcheck dictionaries for 16 distinct regional versions of English. This allows you to tailor your proofing to specific grammar and vocabulary rules (e.g., US, UK, Canada, Australia, India, and Jamaica).

The truth is that in one sense there is no such thing as "American" English or "british" English; they are the same language and in many senses American uses an older and more "original" version

Different dialects I agree but that does not make and variations the definitive one. I know Americans think they invented everything but you didnt.

21 hours ago, kwilco said:

The two  ways to pronounce "schedule"—"shed-yool"  and "sked-yool" ( the former is more common in UK the latter in Us English

 

It results from a mix of historical linguistic evolution, spelling, and geographic divergence. Firstly, the historical root is that the word was borrowed from Old French into English, and was originally pronounced like "sed-yool".

Then there was the  spelling shift:, the English spelling was changed to "schedule" to make it look closer to its original Latin root academics did this a lot to English – Then the popst revolution Trans-Atlantic split: Lots of people in the US were non English speaking immigrants and basic English was taught mistakenly thinking it was phonetic, so people started pronouncing words exactly how they were newly spelled,

 

Althouhgh there are regional preferences, there aren’t isn't strictly confined by borders. Many speakers in the UK use the “American” "sked-yool" pronunciation due to media influence, while some older generations and regions preserve the traditional British "shed-yool" in the US

.However bare in mind that both are broadly understood and accepted

 

Definitely. We all understand what Americans say despite their own variation of a word. We have a lot in common in many things not just language.

20 hours ago, kwilco said:

largely to do with academics – they tried to align English spelling with Latin (and Greek) roots during the 16th and 17th centuries. However, history has shown that interfering with the natural organic development of English only ever has a limited effect. In the States Noah Webster had only limited success in the early 18th century – e.g., changing "centre" to "center", the problem being he then had to return to the "Latin" original for compound versions like "central" instead of "centeral"\Unlike the "académie" in France, there is no government body anywhere in the world that definitively says what is or isn't English. it has remained a more or less totally democratic language for hundreds of years.

If you right back in history I think we would all be confused. However, the common dialect we have to day is simpler. Just the same the UK version is the one more in line with the history although go back far enough and none of us would understand a single word.

20 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Do you mean words like Weight, train, boat, spread, size, file, language, true, barbecue, and a thousand more? American English is English. This has nothing to do with how anyone thinks but what is real. We think whilst is a strange way of saying while, but adapting to what's right for you means change. It is what it is.

Webster is the US version of the English language. The USA has had the tendency to remove or change letters that make up a word but are silent when spoken. I don't think there is anything wrong with that but if we are talking definitives the UK version holds that title.

7 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Native Thais say Moi. I learnt the sport in Thai gyms. As per usual you are wrong and won't admit it.

Native Thais, which I actually know, say it like I posted. Again, you're dismissing the fact they know more than you ever will, including your hero worship of a fighter, who isn't Thai. I've never been wrong arguing with you. That's just your assumption based on limited knowledge on subjects you've argued with me over.

I actually took martial arts from pros who were well versed in Muay Thai fighting. I think most of what you say here is lies and exaggerations, based on your limited knowledge on things nutrition and exercises, while I've actually been in the business all my life.

Anytime anyone says anything about anywhere Thailand, you go on saying "facts" abut it. When did you actually move here, seeing you're not old enough to be retired? I've actually been to about 30 provinces here, WITH Thais along, who again, know more about Thailand than any foreigner ever will unless he moved here while they were still teens, and actually did travel around. Most Thais will never see 30 provinces in their lifetimes.

21 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

JWP lived in Thailand. He trained in leading gyms. He says Moi like Thais do. I followed the sport for 10 years. No Thai says Moo. Not one.

Novices say Moo.

I reiterate, seeing you might not have read this, knowing AI is your god...........

Yes, some Thai people might pronounce "Muay Thai" in a way that sounds like "moo-oi tie" to English speakers, though strictly speaking, the correct phonetic pronunciation in Thai is more like "moo-ay tie".

The pronunciation naturally varies in day-to-day conversation:

• "Moo-ay" (The word for boxing/combat): When spoken quickly or with certain regional accents, the two vowel sounds in "Muay" can blend together. This results in something closely resembling "Moo-oi" or even "Moy".

• "Tie" (The word for Thailand): This is pronounced identically to the English word for tying your shoe

Because the Thai language is heavily tonal, it can often sound quite different depending on the specific speaker. To native Thais, saying "Moo-oi Tie" is perfectly understood, and the martial art is a source of immense cultural pride in the country.