2 minutes ago, mikebike said:

I'll pick malicious prosecution from the myriad of options.

Who will you sue. Be specific.

Let's not forget that in Greek mythology Narcissus's undoing was a reflecting pool.

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6 minutes ago, Mr Awesome said:

Can anyone tell me who you would you sue in this case and why?

I belive the charges are destruction of government property and vandalism. and it would be the Parks police

5 minutes ago, mikebike said:

I'll pick malicious prosecution from the myriad of options. Sue the DoJ directly. The publicity itself would be worth it.

The DOJ has sovereign immunity.

1 minute ago, MikeandDow said:

I belive the charges are destruction of government property and vandalism. and it would be the Parks police

Who will you sue and for what reason?

2 minutes ago, Mr Awesome said:

Who will you sue and for what reason?

I cannot answer as i was not there and not being arrested it would be the person who was arrested your guess is good as mine but no dought the people will sue

3 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

I cannot answer as i was not there and not being arrested it would be the person who was arrested your guess is good as mine but no dought the people will sue

Did law enforcement have probable cause?

7 minutes ago, Mr Awesome said:

The DOJ has sovereign immunity.

"sovereign immunity" is not the end of it people can and have sued the DOJ, you cannot simply sue the agency for any reason. Your ability to sue depends heavily on the specific circumstances of your situation,

On 6/23/2026 at 1:26 AM, spidermike007 said:

Yes, we non Republicans are truly evil people.

I agree

2 minutes ago, Mr Awesome said:

Did law enforcement have probable cause?

look it up !!

2 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

"sovereign immunity" is not the end of it people can and have sued the DOJ, you cannot simply sue the agency for any reason. Your ability to sue depends heavily on the specific circumstances of your situation,

We are back to my original point: you’re not suing anyone. There are too many obstacles to suing the federal government.

2 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

look it up !!

You are the one who wishes to sue; you should have researched this by now.

the metaphor is that the anti trump movement is destructive, evil and prefers filth and squalor

22 minutes ago, Mr Awesome said:

We are back to my original point: you’re not suing anyone. There are too many obstacles to suing the federal government.

Your quote "They cant’ sue anyone." you are wrong !! people can sue End of story

3 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Your quote "They cant’ sue anyone." you are wrong !! people can sue End of story

They are not suing anyone.

5 minutes ago, Mr Awesome said:

They are not suing anyone.

oh Wow you can read minds !!!!! how do you know they are not suing

1 minute ago, MikeandDow said:

oh Wow you can read minds !!!!! how do you know they are not suing

It is a waste of both time and money.

1 minute ago, Mr Awesome said:

It is a waste of both time and money.

So you know how these people are going to spend there money !! it is up to them not you if they want to sue they can if they dont want to sue they can

On 6/22/2026 at 8:53 PM, Wingate said:

For those unaware, the Reflecting Pool is part of the National Mall, running from in front of the Lincoln Memorial to near the Washington Monument.

Trump decided---while ostensibly trying to run both a country and a war (into the ground)---that he would turn it into "American Flag Blue" as part of the 250th Anniversary of the United States.

Trump seems obsessed with the Reflecting Pool. He even displayed graphics comparing its horizontal length to the vertical height of major buildings like the Empire State Building, as if that means anything. (Note: he did not compare it to China's Great Wall, so we're saved that absurdity, while substituting another.) Anyway, Trump seems to have an obsession with making sure people think things are bigger than they actually are, if you know what I mean.

The manner in which this pool cleaning unfolded is a perfect example of everything that is wrong with both Trump and his tenure as the supposed leader of a major democracy.

First, it is yet another vanity project, part of how his woeful personal insecurity drives him. Everything has to be about him, from trying to share glory with a beloved former President by installing his name on the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, to his Trumpian Arch, to his giant banner displaying his mug on the supposedly independent Dept of Justice, to his celebratory concert that has morphed into another Trump rally for the 4th of July. (One wonders how prominent will be the mention of Arnold Palmer's junk?).

Second, the $14.2 million contract to clean the pool and make it blue was dealt in a no-bid manner to a 2 major Trump donors, people who evidenced no ability to carry out the required pool changes.

Third, the contractor did a very poor job. He drained the pool, supposedly cleaned it, and then laid down a blue tarp all the way along its bottom with what he thought was the right kind of glue to withstand years under water. Next he refilled the pool with unfiltered water from the Potomac River, instead supposedly utilizing some procedure called nanobubbler technology.

The Potomac, being a natural waterway, contained algae. Now present in a shallow pool during a hot spring and summer in DC, the algae did what algae are wont to do: reproduce. Algae tends more toward a green color than blue, so the hoped-for American Flag Blue wasn't going to happen. The contractor decided the algae could not stand up to hydrogen peroxide, so he had crew pour hundreds of gallons of it into the pool. The liquid did wipe out some of the algae, albeit along the edges of the pool. The inner rectangle remained algae green. It's possible the hydrogen peroxide also interacted with the glue used to hold down the blue tarp, or perhaps the glue was just not meant to be soaked by water, or never properly set. In any event, the tarp began to separate from the bottom, with large pieces floating on top of the water.

Unable to accept failure or blame, nor to be questioned as to why he awarded the contract in a no-bid manner to a donor, Trump made up excuses. He tried to find people to blame. Proof of involvement is not something necessary in MAGA and Trump's world; accusation equals guilt.

Trump instantly "concluded" the pool had been sabotaged by "deranged radical leftists and Dumocrats", though obviously he made this accusation without evidence. An unfortunate visitor to the pool, who happened to be a former US Olympian, reached into the pool to examine a piece of the floating blue tarp. He was instantly arrested and charged with the vandalization of Trump's vanity project. Trump raged in a series of bizarre Tweets, and the Dept of the Interior issued an obviously false statement claiming the Reflecting Pool was "crystal clear", and using its statement both to disparage the rent-free resident residing in Trump's addled brain (Obama) and boast about Trump's war prowess. Yes, don't believe you lying eyes.

So what can be done now? The entire $14.2 million was wasted. It's a total loss. To get the pool "American Flag Blue", the entire pool would have to be drained again and dried, so that a new and better blue tarp could be laid, and then something better than "nonobubbler technology" would have to be used to make sure algae did not reappear.

So it's all a mess now. McArthur's Park has melted in the rain, so to speak.

This is all so Trumpian: vanity, corruption, incompetence, US Taxpayer money wasted, failure to accept responsibility, blame of others, prosecution without evidence of a crime, and manufacturing of an alternate reality.

This post leaves out one important fact: the Reflecting Pool has been a maintenance headache for decades.

Chronic leaks, algae blooms and water-quality issues existed long before Trump.

The Obama administration spent about $30 million rebuilding it in 2010-2012, yet algae returned almost immediately and additional repairs were needed over the following years.

If Trump's renovation turns out to have been poorly executed, that's fair to criticize. But saying he "created" the problem ignores that he was trying to fix an infrastructure issue that multiple administrations had already spent millions on without permanently solving.

2 minutes ago, ericthai said:

This post leaves out one important fact: the Reflecting Pool has been a maintenance headache for decades.

Chronic leaks, algae blooms and water-quality issues existed long before Trump.

The Obama administration spent about $30 million rebuilding it in 2010-2012, yet algae returned almost immediately and additional repairs were needed over the following years.

If Trump's renovation turns out to have been poorly executed, that's fair to criticize. But saying he "created" the problem ignores that he was trying to fix an infrastructure issue that multiple administrations had already spent millions on without permanently solving.

It's nice that someone is trying to clean up DC before the 250th celebration.

9 minutes ago, ericthai said:

This post leaves out one important fact: the Reflecting Pool has been a maintenance headache for decades.

Chronic leaks, algae blooms and water-quality issues existed long before Trump.

The Obama administration spent about $30 million rebuilding it in 2010-2012, yet algae returned almost immediately and additional repairs were needed over the following years.

If Trump's renovation turns out to have been poorly executed, that's fair to criticize. But saying he "created" the problem ignores that he was trying to fix an infrastructure issue that multiple administrations had already spent millions on without permanently solving.

Your post leaves out two important facts: 😂

• The floor or coating did not peel off shortly after the renovation's completion by other administrations.

• Other Presidents did not ridiculously blame imaginary vandals for it!

Edited June 27Jun 27 by candide

On 6/22/2026 at 9:44 PM, spidermike007 said:

The quality of the water in the reflecting pool is a direct metaphor for the condition of Trump's mind, the lack of clarity and the extraordinary lack of coherence. He is a toxic mass.

Saint Donald. Total revisionist history, a complete reformation of his entire career, and a total erasure of his past crimes, moral terpitude, and a total and complete willingness to overlook a lifetime of moral bankruptcy. 

 

I do have some friends that will come right out and say the man is a butthead, he's an idiot, and he's an absolute clown, but I like his policies. Those are the Republicans I admire. 

During the 20 years that Clinton, Obama and Biden were in office I was continually critical of their policies. Just look back at some of my posts when Obama and Biden were in power. I was not a big fan of Obama for many of the years that he was president and my posts reflect that. As a centrist democrat I criticized a lot of his policies.

I see so little of that coming from Republicans these days, to point where their absolute fealty is actually quite frightening. Most just can't handle critique of Trump, they immediately clam up, get defensive and start making it personal. Instead of behaving like rational intellectuals and debating policy they just start throwing out nonsense, accusations that I've never criticized my own party, or that I get paid to be critical of Trump. That is not only ridiculous, it is inane. I wish somebody would offer to pay me to criticize Trump. I would spend my whole day doing it.

Criticism and open mindedness is what independent thinkers engage in, and it sets them apart from dogmatic subjects of a wannabe king. I invite you to reflect on that for just a moment. 

With many people, once they got attached to a theory, it was hard to get them detached. They’d screen out unhelpful facts, invent favorable ones, and ignore contradictions in their own claims. Look at those Sandy Hook, multiple fraud convictions, and Jan. 6th truthers, babbling about false flags and crisis actors and all the rest. When people were motivated enough to believe something, they were going to believe it no matter what. There was no such thing as a bridge too far.

I actually agree with you on one point: we should criticize politicians when they deserve it, regardless of party.

The difference is that I don't see much balance in your posts. Nearly every action Trump takes is automatically interpreted in the worst possible light, while similar actions by other administrations are either ignored or given the benefit of the doubt.

For example, the Reflecting Pool has had maintenance problems for decades. Multiple administrations spent millions trying to fix leaks, algae and water-quality issues. If this latest renovation wasn't handled well, then criticize the execution. That's fair. But presenting it as if Trump created the problem or that everything he touches is corruption isn't an objective analysis.

You say independent thinkers criticize everyone. I agree. That standard should apply equally. I can point to things Trump has done that I don't like. Can you point to anything he's done that you think was actually a good decision?

When every single issue, policy and project is framed as evidence that Trump is corrupt, incompetent or mentally unfit, it starts looking less like independent analysis and more like a conclusion searching for supporting evidence.

Let's debate the merits of individual policies than assume one person is wrong 100% of the time.

No president Republican or Democrat is right all the time and none are wrong all the time either.

11 minutes ago, candide said:

Your post leaves out two important facts: 😂

• The floor or coating did not peel off shortly after the renovation's completion by other administrations.

• Other Presidents did not ridiculously blame imaginary vandals for it!

Those are actually two assumptions, not two facts.

First, are you certain the coating is peeling solely because of poor workmanship? Have investigators conclusively ruled out vandalism or any other cause? From what I've seen, there are competing explanations and I haven't seen proof one way or the other.

Second, whether you agree with Trump or not, it's hard to deny that he's probably the most protested and polarizing president in modern history. We've seen statues vandalized, Tesla dealerships attacked because of Musk's association with the administration, federal property damaged during protests, and numerous attempts to disrupt or sabotage projects associated with

Trump.

So the idea that vandalism should at least be investigated isn't exactly far-fetched.

If the investigation ultimately shows the contractor is entirely at fault, then hold the contractor accountable. I have no problem with that. But I'm not comfortable declaring the cause as settled before all the facts are in. That's really my point: let's base conclusions on evidence, not assumptions.

3 hours ago, ericthai said:

Those are actually two assumptions, not two facts.

First, are you certain the coating is peeling solely because of poor workmanship? Have investigators conclusively ruled out vandalism or any other cause? From what I've seen, there are competing explanations and I haven't seen proof one way or the other.

Second, whether you agree with Trump or not, it's hard to deny that he's probably the most protested and polarizing president in modern history. We've seen statues vandalized, Tesla dealerships attacked because of Musk's association with the administration, federal property damaged during protests, and numerous attempts to disrupt or sabotage projects associated with

Trump.

So the idea that vandalism should at least be investigated isn't exactly far-fetched.

If the investigation ultimately shows the contractor is entirely at fault, then hold the contractor accountable. I have no problem with that. But I'm not comfortable declaring the cause as settled before all the facts are in. That's really my point: let's base conclusions on evidence, not assumption. Those are actually two assumptions, not two facts.

First, are you certain the coating is peeling solely because of poor workmanship? Have investigators conclusively ruled out vandalism or any other cause? From what I've seen, there are competing explanations and I haven't seen proof one way or the other.

Second, whether you agree with Trump or not, it's hard to deny that he's probably the most protested and polarizing president in modern history. We've seen statues vandalized, Tesla dealerships attacked because of Musk's association with the administration, federal property damaged during protests, and numerous attempts to disrupt or sabotage projects associated with

Trump.

So the idea that vandalism should at least be investigated isn't exactly far-fetched.

If the investigation ultimately shows the contractor is entirely at fault, then hold the contractor accountable. I have no problem with that. But I'm not comfortable declaring the cause as settled before all the facts are in. That's really my point: let's base conclusions on evidence, not assumptions.

I agree with you that the conclusion should only be based on evidence, after a serious investigation.

However, it's Trump who made baseless (and I would personally add ridiculous) accusations, and it doesn't seem to disturb you.

3 hours ago, ericthai said:

Those are actually two assumptions, not two facts.

First, are you certain the coating is peeling solely because of poor workmanship? Have investigators conclusively ruled out vandalism or any other cause? From what I've seen, there are competing explanations and I haven't seen proof one way or the other.

No conclusive investigations have been completed so far, but some people who most likely have a family are locked up in jail, only because someone made some claims for which he hasn't provided any evidence yet

Edited June 27Jun 27 by CallumWK

the folks here complaining about folks being arrested know nothing about facts and circumstances of the arrest. its just a chance to spew the filthly hate festering in their obsessed minds.

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

the folks here complaining about folks being arrested know nothing about facts and circumstances of the arrest. its just a chance to spew the filthly hate festering in their obsessed minds.

And neither do you know anything about facts and circumstances of the arrests. Its just another pointless politically baited post of no substance, that is your nature.

It's the cutter's fault! 😃

As long as there will be those cofunding leftist woke types, there will always be a Trump someplace to get elected. Trump is not the problem. It's all those Starmer types who are destroying their nations with excessive immigration, allowing crime, squandering trillions to Ukraine, cutting out cheap russian oil...they are the real threat.

It seems that western and European leaders are trying to cause general depression of their popoulations. Perhaps when your own are depressed and become weak, its easier to control them.

Of course sounds this like a complotist theory and I feel bad saying such stuff that myself would have considered rubbish not so long ago. But does it not seem funny that most leaders in wester europe, Usa etc are taking the most absurd decisions that are plainly ruining their nation's economy, harming their safety, well being and the quality of life of their own ??