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Ghost towers, why Britain's new flats sit empty

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It's not just the cost, it's the designs and shoddy construction. Overall, a very poor value proposition.

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  • sammieuk1
    sammieuk1

    The only people that can afford to live in these apartments will be the ones arriving at Dover' today and every sunny day way into the future by the sorry look of it 🤔

  • OP photo looks OK - you would be able to cook without getting out of bed! A whole new meaning to "breakfast in bed"!

  • Chomper Higgot
    Chomper Higgot

    Immigrunting again. Do you ever actually pause to try and figure out a logical explanation for how your inmigrunting statements could even come close to making any sense?

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1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It was always a grubby way to make money.

Sorry to hear about the damage.

No insurance either......the letting agent 'lost' the tenant's references, so the insurance company had an opt out.

Now with the ombudsman, but not hopeful

6 minutes ago, MIke B Bad said:

No insurance either......the letting agent 'lost' the tenant's references, so the insurance company had an opt out.

Now with the ombudsman, but not hopeful

Grim.

I’ve seen and heard too many disaster stories to even think about BtL being anything near a good idea.

Of course there are plenty of good tenants with which it works out, but the size of the asset concentration at risk makes it a game of throwing dice.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Grim.

I’ve seen and heard too many disaster stories to even think about BtL being anything near a good idea.

Of course there are plenty of good tenants with which it works out, but the size of the asset concentration at risk makes it a game of throwing dice.

Had one guy stayed for 15 years.....never a peep......then the last five years have been a nightmare.

Luck of the draw.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a Neologism that perfectly captures the pathological reflex of some on the forum to insert immigrants/rubber boats/asylum sealers into any topic the post in regardless of any mention of these in the subject OP.

Immigrunting, from the verb to immigrunt.

A snorting like pathological response that afflicts some on the political rightwing in which a seemingly involuntarily response forces them to insert immigrants/rubber boats/asylum seekers into any topic whatsoever.

I don't know what a asylum sealer is? ..is it something The Labour government should be doing at Dover ..think about it🤔

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Another example of someone who needs to at least try pause to try and figure out a logical explanation for how your inmigrunting statements could even come close to making any sense.

The plan which was not to place asylum seekers in social housing has been scrapped scrapped:

Outline planning permission was granted for 25 dwellings at the site in 2015. The dwellings were approved as open market housing”

https://next.shropshire.gov.uk/resettlement-refugees-and-asylum-seekers/dutton-close-stoke-heath/

The number one issue is immigration hence the rise of reform' and restore' in the last 4 days 881 totally ILLEGAL Migrants have breach our security your attempts to deflect the serious crisis is appalling as usual 🤔

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2 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

The number one issue is immigration hence the rise of reform' and restore' in the last 4 days 881 totally ILLEGAL Migrants have breach our security your attempts to deflect the serious crisis is appalling as usual 🤔

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Yet more ill informed nonsense propped up by a ripped an unattributed meme.

The truth of the matter being somewhat different than you and your source would have us believe:

The most commonly reported important issues facing the UK today were the cost of living (90%), the NHS (80%), and the economy (74%).”

Oh and there’s this gem too, maybe they have you and your ilk in mind:

“Almost 4 in 5 adults (78%) reported being most concerned about the spread of misinformation, disinformation, and “fake news”; this makes it the most commonly reported issue when thinking about future elections in the UK.”

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/wellbeing/bulletins/publicopinionsandsocialtrendsgreatbritain/april2026

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yet more ill informed nonsense propped up by a ripped an unattributed meme.

The truth of the matter being somewhat different than you and your source would have us believe:

The most commonly reported important issues facing the UK today were the cost of living (90%), the NHS (80%), and the economy (74%).”

Oh and there’s this gem too, maybe they have you and your ilk in mind:

“Almost 4 in 5 adults (78%) reported being most concerned about the spread of misinformation, disinformation, and “fake news”; this makes it the most commonly reported issue when thinking about future elections in the UK.”

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/wellbeing/bulletins/publicopinionsandsocialtrendsgreatbritain/april2026

More tripe again why is Reform still ahead in the polls, it's because of one issue and that ain't the cost of living and no I'm not a Farageist.

The cost of living is the next biggest issue mainly due to enormous benefits bill driven by out of control immigration so away with your endless droning nonsense 🤔

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1 hour ago, sammieuk1 said:

More tripe again why is Reform still ahead in the polls, it's because of one issue and that ain't the cost of living and no I'm not a Farageist.

The cost of living is the next biggest issue mainly due to enormous benefits bill driven by out of control immigration so away with your endless droning nonsense 🤔

Ahead of Labour by .9% and moved down from 32.6% in Oct last year to 24.9%.

Keep on that trajectory and it'll be back down below the Greens and Lib Dems, where it belongs, by the time the next election comes around.

"Track the latest Reform UK polls and voting intention, updated daily. PollCheck's 7-poll moving average shows where Reform stands across every major UK pollster, including YouGov, Survation, Opinium and JL Partners.":

https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/polls/reform-uk/

8 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a Neologism that perfectly captures the pathological reflex of some on the forum to insert immigrants/rubber boats/asylum sealers into any topic the post in regardless of any mention of these in the subject OP.

Immigrunting, from the verb to immigrunt.

A snorting like pathological response that afflicts some on the political rightwing in which a seemingly involuntarily response forces them to insert immigrants/rubber boats/asylum seekers into any topic whatsoever.

Immigrunting is an invention from you, higgy.

A search reveals nothing on it.

11 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Of course,

As a Marxist I want to overthrow the rich.

Yes, all those rich middle class people living in gated communities away from real working people .

Get rid of them all , I say .

The rich idle non working people need to be removed from their golden towers and their houses given to working people .

20 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Immigrunting is an invention from you, higgy.

A search reveals nothing on it.

I mean do you expect anything less from said poster. I sure dont. The pattern has been clear for years on here.

9 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

More tripe again why is Reform still ahead in the polls, it's because of one issue and that ain't the cost of living and no I'm not a Farageist.

The cost of living is the next biggest issue mainly due to enormous benefits bill driven by out of control immigration so away with your endless droning nonsense 🤔

Well there you go with yet more garbage, this time laced with a non sequiteur, apart from Reform not being ahead in the polls, Reform voters still regard cost of living an issue.

Of course I do not discount some might fall for your idiot argument that the cost of living is driven by the benefits bill, but yes Reform and you do blame everything on immigrants.

What you’ve not provided is anything that demonstrates cost of living is the single most important issue amongst all voters.

Here’s some good news for you:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2026/jul/27/andy-burnham-social-care-politics-live-latest-news-defence-nhs-reform-uk-tories-updates?page=with%3Ablock-6a6778988f084862540d11c3

8 hours ago, FlorC said:

Immigrunting is an invention from you, higgy.

A search reveals nothing on it.

Yes it is, and I never claimed it was not.

But it fits don’t you think?!

7 hours ago, blaze master said:

I mean do you expect anything less from said poster. I sure dont. The pattern has been clear for years on here.

Have you anything to say in the topic of discussion?

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Have you anything to say in the topic of discussion?

Not to you I dont.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Have you anything to say in the topic of discussion?

Apart from Imigrunting' what have you said I've been asleep🤔

£1M flat.

Probably built on the cheap to maximise profits, and to cover the 20% that must be handed to the council for Social Housing, no room to swing a cat, and thin walls, so can hear the neighbours every word. Then on top of that the exorbitant Council Tax, and maintenance fees. Even more taxes on those who rent out.

I can't see that being much of an investment.

Pretty much anywhere in London is expensive nowadays.

That’s an enormous monthly payment for such a small space. Who is Housing aimed at?

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes it is, and I never claimed it was not.

But it fits don’t you think?!

Not at all.

11 hours ago, Enoon said:

Ahead of Labour by .9% and moved down from 32.6% in Oct last year to 24.9%.

Keep on that trajectory and it'll be back down below the Greens and Lib Dems, where it belongs, by the time the next election comes around.

"Track the latest Reform UK polls and voting intention, updated daily. PollCheck's 7-poll moving average shows where Reform stands across every major UK pollster, including YouGov, Survation, Opinium and JL Partners.":

https://www.pollcheck.co.uk/polls/reform-uk/

Great news Restore' will rise and fill the vacuum go Rupert' aim high vote Lowe' the way to go🤔

23 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well of course that would be a logical explanation if it were happening.

My own thoughts are the housing market is broken, these empty ‘not very de-res’ are simply a symptom of how it is broken.

In effect, the country is deemed broken in many ways in the view of the majority - it is seen as dysfunctional for the needs of the 90% of inhabitants. Four million unemployed youth and a housing crisis which is a very visible example. The changing face of Britain through immigration, and more recently boatloads of asylum seekers, aggravates the feeling many have that the country may be broken beyond repair for the majority. Like you say, the housing issue is a symptom. In my view the break is more like a number of fractures.

1 hour ago, sammieuk1 said:

Apart from Imigrunting' what have you said I've been asleep🤔

Are you still sticking to Reform being ahead I the polls?

If so wake up and smell the coffee.

4 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

In effect, the country is deemed broken in many ways in the view of the majority - it is seen as dysfunctional for the needs of the 90% of inhabitants. Four million unemployed youth and a housing crisis which is a very visible example. The changing face of Britain through immigration, and more recently boatloads of asylum seekers, aggravates the feeling many have that the country may be broken beyond repair for the majority. Like you say, the housing issue is a symptom. In my view the break is more like a number of fractures.

There are indeed a number of factors.

Almost all can be traced back to neoliberalism, trickle down economics and their bastard child ‘austerity’.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There are indeed a number of factors.

Almost all can be traced back to neoliberalism, trickle down economics and their bastard child ‘austerity’.

Yes, agree. Reagan/Thatcher/Friedman set us on this course. No governments since have tried to break the cycles they set in motion. And here we are.

44 minutes ago, phetphet said:

£1M flat.

Probably built on the cheap to maximise profits, and to cover the 20% that must be handed to the council for Social Housing, no room to swing a cat, and thin walls, so can hear the neighbours every word. Then on top of that the exorbitant Council Tax, and maintenance fees. Even more taxes on those who rent out.

I can't see that being much of an investment.

Pretty much anywhere in London is expensive nowadays.

Flats are also leasehold so even at £1m the buyer isn't actually buying something they actually own outright. They would also have to pay "ground rent" on top of maintenance fees, mortgage and council tax. Buying a flat in the UK is a bit of a scam that is best avoided.

21 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes, the UK housing market is broken, it’s been broken for decades.

It's a consequence of governments (of every color) ensuring that house prices always go up and never down. No government can win power by promising they will ensure house prices go down by 20-30% as it is the most common investment the people of the UK make. So they over regulate to ensure not enough houses are built, import more and more people who need housing to keep demand high and pull every possible lever to ensure house prices continue to rise.

Good for people already on the ladder and made that investment decades ago. Not so good for those who are not.

11 minutes ago, James105 said:

Flats are also leasehold so even at £1m the buyer isn't actually buying something they actually own outright. They would also have to pay "ground rent" on top of maintenance fees, mortgage and council tax. Buying a flat in the UK is a bit of a scam that is best avoided.

That’s true in England and Wales, not so Scotland.

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

It's a consequence of governments (of every color) ensuring that house prices always go up and never down. No government can win power by promising they will ensure house prices go down by 20-30% as it is the most common investment the people of the UK make. So they over regulate to ensure not enough houses are built, import more and more people who need housing to keep demand high and pull every possible lever to ensure house prices continue to rise.

Good for people already on the ladder and made that investment decades ago. Not so good for those who are not.

I agree with much of that.

As I said earlier in response to a member’s suggestion to deregulate the housing market;

23 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The biggest obstacle to that is current house owners.

There will never be a free and open housing market in the UK, too many votes attached to the prices of homes.

I would go further and say the promotion of housing as a means to build personal wealth directs equity into housing and away from businesses and the stock market.

Houses become investments rather than homes and the economy is starved of investment that creates jobs and growth.

Two indisputable facts:

Houses are commodities, therefore house price increases are pure inflation in a commodity - Commodity inflation always damages an economy.

Trillions of pounds of the nations wealth is in full view, lined up neatly aside that nations roads, each with an individual unique identifier and identifiable keeper.

While you worry the Government might want to get their hands on that wealth, don’t take your eye off the ever hungry financial services industry.

33 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Are you still sticking to Reform being ahead I the polls?

If so wake up and smell the coffee.

Already seen today's left-facing polls more fakery' wait until the clown of the north has a decision to make and poll again 🤔

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