5 hours ago, johng said:

As many times as it takes.

Seriously, it doesn't matter how many times you post it . Keep repeatedly saying incorrect things will not make them true facts.

You are just wasting your time and needlessly using up bandwidth

4 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Yep, the Israelis are buying vast tracts of land in Argentina, and US billionaires like that creep Peter Thiel have started moving their families down there.

It's 1945 all over again.

Wouldn't you support that ?

Israelis moving out of Israel ?

Or do you want Israelis to leave Israel and go nowhere else ?

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Pakistan is not Iran, Iran is not Pakistan, who knew?

Do Pakistani Muslims read a different Quran to the one Iranians read?

Well, depends, doesn't it?

And lest we forget the ongoing argument about who is the true Muslim, bearing in mind we have the Sunni (the largest) and Shia (practised in Iran)

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Pakistan is not Iran, Iran is not Pakistan, who knew?

Do Pakistani Muslims read a different Quran to the one Iranians read?

"There is one Quran."

What they usually mean is that they believe there is one divinely revealed scripture, not that every printed Arabic Quran is letter-for-letter identical.

The historical picture is more nuanced:

• There are multiple accepted Arabic canonical readings (Qirā'āt).

• The two most common, Hafs and Warsh, have numerous textual differences. Most are small, but they are genuine differences in the printed Arabic text.

• Muslims traditionally regard these readings as equally authentic, not as competing versions.

So when someone says, "There is only one Quran," they're expressing a theological belief about the unity of the revelation. A historian or textual scholar would usually be more precise and say:

"There is one Quranic tradition, preserved in several canonical readings."

Edited July 29Jul 29 by Scouse123

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Pakistan is not Iran, Iran is not Pakistan, who knew?

Do Pakistani Muslims read a different Quran to the one Iranians read?

AI

The translation

This is where you may notice significant differences.

A Pakistani English translation might be influenced by Sunni scholarship.

An Iranian translation into Persian or English may include wording or footnotes reflecting Shia interpretations, particularly in verses relating to:

• leadership after Muhammad,

• the family of the Prophet (Ahl al-Bayt),

• historical events.

The Arabic text itself normally remains the same; it is the explanatory notes and translation choices that may differ.

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No, they’ll continue with genocide and forever wars, it just means they’ll use social media to try and gaslight the world into believing otherwise.

Why don't you just say you are an Anti-Semite because we don't see you banging on as you call it about all the atrocities taking place against Christian and other minorities in Nigeria, Sudan, Yemen or anywhere else?

To you and your little group, you are only obsessed with Bibi Netanyahu and DJT, and then trying to GASLIGHT US with your lefty warped view of the world.

I suggest you join the tree huggers and colour your hair, you'll fit right in.

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Wouldn't you support that ?

Israelis moving out of Israel ?

Or do you want Israelis to leave Israel and go nowhere else ?

Of course, he does, just like a few others on here who totally ignore the barbarity of Islam and prefer to focus on Israel.

Rebels without a cause, or at least a genuine one.

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

They don't deserve it, their privileges should be revoked, and if they want to start behaving like a civilized nation that's a different story, but as long as they behave like hooligans, extremists, terrorists and genocidal goons, no aid will be given.

You've just described IRAN.

14 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

the barbarity of Islam

The barbarity of Islam? What? And killing 21000 children as the IDF has done is the pinnacle of civilization to you? I don't recall the Saudi or Qatar armies killing 21000 children. Looks like when it comes to barbarity, there's no monopoly.

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

The barbarity of Islam? What? And killing 21000 children as the IDF has done is the pinnacle of civilization to you? I don't recall the Saudi or Qatar armies killing 21000 children. Looks like when it comes to barbarity, there's no monopoly.

21 000 less terrorists in ten years time .

BTW , should that be less or fewer ?

21 000 fewer terrorists in ten years time ?

All the war mongers, on AN included, will be screaming "Death To Iran" right up until the global energy market freezes up (it's currently being manipulated) followed by an economic crash that will make 2008 look like a walk in the park.

"War!!! We want war!!! Aggghhhhh!!!" Until your stock portfolio goes to s***.

16 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

The barbarity of Islam? What? And killing 21000 children as the IDF has done is the pinnacle of civilization to you? I don't recall the Saudi or Qatar armies killing 21000 children. Looks like when it comes to barbarity, there's no monopoly.

You keep blabbing on about children in Gaza, who is it putting them in harms way?

Who caused all this?

Nigeria

The UN Development Programme estimated that the Boko Haram/ISWAP conflict had caused:

• 35,000 direct violent deaths between 2009 and the end of 2020

• Nearly 350,000 total deaths, once hunger, disease, destroyed healthcare and displacement were included

• About 314,000 of those were indirect deaths, many involving young children.

• Many thousands of Christians have been killed in Nigeria over the past decade.

• Islamist groups such as Boko Haram and Islamic State West Africa Province (ISWAP) have deliberately targeted Christian churches, clergy, and communities.

• Violence involving some Fulani militant groups has also caused large numbers of Christian deaths, although experts note that these conflicts can involve a mixture of religious, ethnic, land and criminal motives rather than religion alone.

• Probably tens of thousands were directly murdered by Islamist extremist groups during the last decade, and hundreds of thousands may have died when indirect consequences such as starvation and disease are included. But no credible source can truthfully provide one exact number for “minorities and children” across Nigeria, Sudan and every other affected country.

Israel.

Year	Attack	Location	Killed
2023	Hamas-led 7 October attack	Israel	~1,200
1994	AMIA Jewish Community Centre bombing	Buenos Aires, Argentina	85
1948	Hadassah medical convoy massacre	Jerusalem	79
1978	Coastal Road massacre	Israel	38
2002	Passover massacre	Netanya, Israel	30
2003	Shmuel HaNavi bus bombing	Jerusalem	24
2003	Tel Aviv Central Bus Station bombing	Tel Aviv	23
2001	Dolphinarium discotheque bombing	Tel Aviv	21
2003	Maxim restaurant bombing	Haifa	21
2001	Sbarro restaurant bombing	Jerusalem	15

The two deadliest by far

1. Hamas attack on Israel (7 October 2023)

• Approximately 1,200 people killed.

• Around 250 hostages taken.

• The deadliest terrorist attack in Israel's history and the deadliest single day for Jews since the Holocaust.

2. AMIA bombing (18 July 1994)

• 85 people killed.

• Over 300 injured.

• A truck bomb destroyed the Argentine Israelite Mutual Association (AMIA) building in Buenos Aires.

• It remains the deadliest antisemitic terrorist attack outside Israel since World War II.

• Somalia: Converts from Islam face severe violence, including the risk of being killed by extremist groups or even relatives.

• Yemen: Ongoing war, Islamist extremism, and tribal pressures make openly practicing Christianity extremely dangerous.

• Sudan: Christians, especially in conflict zones, face attacks and discrimination amid the country's ongoing civil war.

• Eritrea: Many Christians belonging to unrecognized churches are imprisoned indefinitely.

• Syria: Christian communities have suffered heavily from years of civil war and attacks by Islamist extremist groups.

• Nigeria: Boko Haram, Islamic State West Africa Province (ISWAP), and some armed Fulani militant groups have attacked Christian villages, churches, and clergy, although Muslims are also victims of extremist violence.

• Pakistan: Christians face discrimination, attacks, and misuse of blasphemy laws.

• Libya: Christians, especially migrants and converts, are vulnerable to abduction and killings by extremist groups.

• Iran: Converts from Islam and leaders of house churches are frequently arrested and imprisoned.

YES, THE BARBARITY OF ISLAM.

5 minutes ago, connda said:

All the war mongers, on AN included, will be screaming "Death To Iran" right up until the global energy market freezes up (it's currently being manipulated) followed by an economic crash that will make 2008 look like a walk in the park.

"War!!! We want war!!! Aggghhhhh!!!" Until your stock portfolio goes to s***.

But it isn't the Iranian people that's the problem, it's the Islamists and that vile, despotic regime.

The Iranian people hate them as well.

20 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

You keep blabbing on about children in Gaza, who is it putting them in harms way?

Who caused all this?

Obviously the IDF whom you're a cheap apologist for!

I care not who meets and sups at the White House, be it Mr Trump or Mr Nets or whoever.

All I knows is my US / EUR market exposures have been plumping very nicely since February.

6 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

Well, depends, doesn't it?

And lest we forget the ongoing argument about who is the true Muslim, bearing in mind we have the Sunni (the largest) and Shia (practised in Iran)

What they usually mean is that they believe there is one divinely revealed scripture, not that every printed Arabic Quran is letter-for-letter identical.

The historical picture is more nuanced:

• There are multiple accepted Arabic canonical readings (Qirā'āt).

• The two most common, Hafs and Warsh, have numerous textual differences. Most are small, but they are genuine differences in the printed Arabic text.

• Muslims traditionally regard these readings as equally authentic, not as competing versions.

So when someone says, "There is only one Quran," they're expressing a theological belief about the unity of the revelation. A historian or textual scholar would usually be more precise and say:

You put yourself in a hole with your anti Islam rant.

Then when presented with an Islamic nation that has nuclear weapons you try to change the whole basis of your argument.

You’re now grasping at quoting AI output as some kind of support to arguments that themselves don’t make sense.

Only one nation has used nuclear weapons as an act of war, and is not ‘Muslim’.

Stop digging.

6 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

Why don't you just say you are an Anti-Semite because we don't see you banging on as you call it about all the atrocities taking place against Christian and other minorities in Nigeria, Sudan, Yemen or anywhere else?

To you and your little group, you are only obsessed with Bibi Netanyahu and DJT, and then trying to GASLIGHT US with your lefty warped view of the world.

I suggest you join the tree huggers and colour your hair, you'll fit right in.

It seems to have escaped you that Netanyahu is the subject of the thread you are posting in.

And no, I didn’t start the thread.

Jog on with your baseless ‘antisemite slur’ and take your Islamophobia with you.

Edited July 30Jul 30 by Chomper Higgot

5 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

You keep blabbing on about children in Gaza, who is it putting them in harms way?

Who caused all this?

Nigeria

The UN Development Programme estimated that the Boko Haram/ISWAP conflict had caused:

• 35,000 direct violent deaths between 2009 and the end of 2020

• Nearly 350,000 total deaths, once hunger, disease, destroyed healthcare and displacement were included

• About 314,000 of those were indirect deaths, many involving young children.

• Many thousands of Christians have been killed in Nigeria over the past decade.

• Islamist groups such as Boko Haram and Islamic State West Africa Province (ISWAP) have deliberately targeted Christian churches, clergy, and communities.

• Violence involving some Fulani militant groups has also caused large numbers of Christian deaths, although experts note that these conflicts can involve a mixture of religious, ethnic, land and criminal motives rather than religion alone.

• Probably tens of thousands were directly murdered by Islamist extremist groups during the last decade, and hundreds of thousands may have died when indirect consequences such as starvation and disease are included. But no credible source can truthfully provide one exact number for “minorities and children” across Nigeria, Sudan and every other affected country.

Israel.

Year	Attack	Location	Killed
2023	Hamas-led 7 October attack	Israel	~1,200
1994	AMIA Jewish Community Centre bombing	Buenos Aires, Argentina	85
1948	Hadassah medical convoy massacre	Jerusalem	79
1978	Coastal Road massacre	Israel	38
2002	Passover massacre	Netanya, Israel	30
2003	Shmuel HaNavi bus bombing	Jerusalem	24
2003	Tel Aviv Central Bus Station bombing	Tel Aviv	23
2001	Dolphinarium discotheque bombing	Tel Aviv	21
2003	Maxim restaurant bombing	Haifa	21
2001	Sbarro restaurant bombing	Jerusalem	15

The two deadliest by far

1. Hamas attack on Israel (7 October 2023)

• Approximately 1,200 people killed.

• Around 250 hostages taken.

• The deadliest terrorist attack in Israel's history and the deadliest single day for Jews since the Holocaust.

2. AMIA bombing (18 July 1994)

• 85 people killed.

• Over 300 injured.

• A truck bomb destroyed the Argentine Israelite Mutual Association (AMIA) building in Buenos Aires.

• It remains the deadliest antisemitic terrorist attack outside Israel since World War II.

• Somalia: Converts from Islam face severe violence, including the risk of being killed by extremist groups or even relatives.

• Yemen: Ongoing war, Islamist extremism, and tribal pressures make openly practicing Christianity extremely dangerous.

• Sudan: Christians, especially in conflict zones, face attacks and discrimination amid the country's ongoing civil war.

• Eritrea: Many Christians belonging to unrecognized churches are imprisoned indefinitely.

• Syria: Christian communities have suffered heavily from years of civil war and attacks by Islamist extremist groups.

• Nigeria: Boko Haram, Islamic State West Africa Province (ISWAP), and some armed Fulani militant groups have attacked Christian villages, churches, and clergy, although Muslims are also victims of extremist violence.

• Pakistan: Christians face discrimination, attacks, and misuse of blasphemy laws.

• Libya: Christians, especially migrants and converts, are vulnerable to abduction and killings by extremist groups.

• Iran: Converts from Islam and leaders of house churches are frequently arrested and imprisoned.

YES, THE BARBARITY OF ISLAM.

Yes, the banality of whataboutary in defense of genocide.

6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

21 000 less terrorists in ten years time .

BTW , should that be less or fewer ?

21 000 fewer terrorists in ten years time ?

Nick parades the mendacity that poisons his mind.

5 hours ago, connda said:

All the war mongers, on AN included, will be screaming "Death To Iran" right up until the global energy market freezes up (it's currently being manipulated) followed by an economic crash that will make 2008 look like a walk in the park.

"War!!! We want war!!! Aggghhhhh!!!" Until your stock portfolio goes to s***.

And in the event Iran collapses they’ll rejoice in the ensuing flood of refugees.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And in the event Iran collapses they’ll rejoice in the ensuing flood of refugees.

I will start a GoFundMe to fly them all to the UK. You will make them feel at home.

2 minutes ago, temuFarang said:

I will start a GoFundMe to fly them all to the UK. You will make them feel at home.

I’m sure whatever your response is it wouldn’t include much thought.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m sure whatever your response is it wouldn’t include much thought.

I will following your lead.

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You do know WW2 is over and that it ended with complete defeat of the German military?

A reminder of what you said I know it's hard but the devil is in the detail.

No, they’ll continue with genocide and forever wars, it just means they’ll use social media to try and gaslight the world into believing otherwise.

7 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

But it isn't the Iranian people that's the problem, it's the Islamists and that vile, despotic regime.

The Iranian people hate them as well.

I have no problem with Islam. I am just against beheading, stoning, marrying little girls, sexual slavery, slave trading, rape, jihad, burkas, child abuse, women abuse, animal abuse,multiple wives, murder, Sharia,terrorism, brainwashing, . Does that make me Islamophobic?

21 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

If it weren't for Trump and a lot of Republicans, the USA would be heading for a Muslim caliphate such is the sycophantic behaviour towards them by the Democratic Party, who are giving in to all their demands, in the hope of votes.

You cannot negotiate or expect honourable treaties or agreements with fanatics such as Iran. They only make such deals to regroup.

They only understand force.

So you would prefer the fascist society that Trump seems to favour. As for treaties I remember reading about a chief of one of the indigenous tribes in America who spoke before congress after the Indian wars saying, "While we have kept every agreement mentioned in the treaties, the government hasn't kept one."

21 hours ago, Galong said:

Iran isn't really going after .rael like they could. They're paving the path for the future by destroying US military bases all while letting the US munitions deplete. This is a long game for them. The US doesn't fair well in 'games' that go beyond the first quarter, obviously. Iran will cripple the US economy (and most of the world) and then likely wipe .rael off the map... based on what I've read and seen. We'll see. One thing is certain: the US bit off way more than it can chew.

Unfortunately with israel having at least 170 nuclear bombs and a "soloman" mandate which means that if they are badly losing a war they will unleash them on iran. So, should israel have nuclear arms?

They refuse entry to nuclear inspectors, refuse to sign the non proliferation agreement, both by the way iran complied with.

9 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

21 000 less terrorists in ten years time .

BTW , should that be less or fewer ?

21 000 fewer terrorists in ten years time ?

It almost sounds like you're suggesting that all Palestinian children are potential terrorists? If so that's a pretty bizarre claim and a sure demonstration of how deep the delusion in your mind has become.

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You put yourself in a hole with your anti Islam rant.

Then when presented with an Islamic nation that has nuclear weapons you try to change the whole basis of your argument.

You’re now grasping at quoting AI output as some kind of support to arguments that themselves don’t make sense.

Only one nation has used nuclear weapons as an act of war, and is not ‘Muslim’.

Stop digging.

The ludicrous thing about his Islam hate list is that you could equally well make a list for the UK,

• Events during the British colonization of Australia and New Zealand, especially:

  • Genocide of Indigenous Australians

  • the Black War in Tasmania

  • the massacres of the Australian frontier wars

• The Great Famine in Ireland (1845–1852); see Great Famine (Ireland) § Genocide question

• The aftermath of the Siege of Delhi in 1857

• Bengal famine of 1943

• British actions during the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya (1952–1960)

• British concentration camps in South Africa

• British blockade of Germany in WWI

And then make the argument that the Church of England is a barbarous religion.

Or you could make a list for Germany and claim Protestantism was barbarous. You could make the same list for Spain and claim Catholicism is barbarous.

He doesn't realise how meaningless his Islam hate list is, because almost all nations engaged in barbarity. Indeed the barbarity of European nations beggars belief, if one looks at the middle ages, torture, witch hunts, etc, so to indict an entire religion based off the actions of Africans is mendacious in the extreme, or stupid in the extreme, one or the other.

Edited July 30Jul 30 by Cameroni

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It seems to have escaped you that Netanyahu is the subject of the thread you are posting in.

And no, I didn’t start the thread.

Jog on with your baseless ‘antisemite slur’ and take your Islamophobia with you.

Keep your made up words like Islam phobia when you simply don't have facts to back up your argument.

You lefties never do.

All the selective outrage over Gaza and those poor babies you bleat about, that will grow up through brainwashing to be vile terrorists as they aren't taught anything else

I see you don't put your efforts into the Christians getting slaughtered daily in Muslim countries.

What a planet we would have if guys like you were running things

17 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Maybe Bibi can give trump a few pointers as to what to do with this rather inconvenient piece of news.

'Iran to get Chinese shoulder-launched missile systems in weeks, sources say'

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iran-get-chinese-shoulder-launched-missile-systems-weeks-sources-say-2026-07-29/

"Iran is expected to receive within weeks a first shipment out of up to 400 Chinese-made shoulder-fired air-defence missile launchers, three sources familiar with the deal told Reuters, as it rebuilds its defences amid war with the United States.

The purchase, valued at $60-70 million, is one of Tehran's largest-known efforts to strengthen its short-range air ‌defences since the outbreak of its war with the U.S. and Israel, which exposed gaps in Iran's ability to protect military sites and strategic infrastructure.

The contract covers the purchase of between 300 and 400 man-portable air defence systems (MANPADS), including Chinese-made QW-12 and FN-16 missiles, the sources said."

I sure hope these turn up on AliBaba. Great for the kids!