2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The scientific method is based on our (humans') belief in logic, reason, and cause and effect, all of which are delusions created by our intellect. In reality, all is chaos. But, just as I conduct my life, the best I can, based on logic and reason because I, too, am human, I rely on science, math, geometry, the passage of time, and the scientific method, all of which I know are just delusions.

Because ... " I AM " - Howard Falco

Edited August 8Aug 8 by KhunLA

4 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

The earth and moon are not in chaos. The earth is a perfect balance of life. Math is pure science.

Your belief that the Earth and Moon are not in chaos is based on your delusions of logic and reason, which are the basis for physics.

The Earth does not have a "perfect balance of life." The Earth has humans, who are destroying the planet's biosphere and will soon cause the extinction of most of the life on this planet.

Math is pure science, or at least is based on the same delusions as science. An example of that in math is that there is no such thing in reality as anything that is a "1." 1 is just another delusion created by our human intellect.

On 8/6/2026 at 5:21 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

Dear Folks,

Some do, and some do not, believe in the Scientific Method.

What is your opinion?

If the world were run, politically and otherwise, based on the Scientific Method, would life not be far more pleasant for the Common Man, not to mention the LaoBaiXing?

How might adherence to the Scientific Method improve governance, at all levels?

Or, what about Witch Dunking?

Which would you prefer, in a perfect world?

Best regards,

Gamma

NOTE: How might the Scientific Method be applied in governance?

Still, do you imagine that most chimps want evidence-based governmental policy?

Just asking....(for a friend)...

Here is an example of American Evidence-Based Governmental Policy at work:

Obviously impossible.

Example: where is scientific proof that it's imminent important to have a ballroom next to White House?

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Because ... " I AM " - Howard Falco

I've never read "I AM," but the description of it on the Web is close to what I am saying.

I would disagree with the use of the noun "I" based on my brief understanding of the book. In reality, there is no "I"; there is only "AM." Any idea of an "I," just as the idea of a separate self, is just another delusion.

On 8/6/2026 at 8:21 PM, Hummin said:

The most important thing is to separate ideas, theories and proven science, while remembering that even accepted science can be proven wrong when better evidence appears.

Something to twist your mind around Gamma

https://youtube.com/shorts/-xRQMBehIGA?is=YWjuibETIkb4TZ5V

What it looks like here is your inability to grasp what science is.

On 8/7/2026 at 8:22 AM, cjinchiangrai said:

Theories are proven science. The most important thing is teaching people hoe the method works.

You too and clearly neither of you finished primary school and instead graduated from the school of hard knocks and labor.

29 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Your belief that the Earth and Moon are not in chaos is based on your delusions of logic and reason, which are the basis for physics.

The Earth does not have a "perfect balance of life." The Earth has humans, who are destroying the planet's biosphere and will soon cause the extinction of most of the life on this planet.

Math is pure science, or at least is based on the same delusions as science. An example of that in math is that there is no such thing in reality as anything that is a "1." 1 is just another delusion created by our human intellect.

The earth is the perfect distance from the sun and yearly cycles.

You are a climate change nut. Hence your poor understanding of science.

25 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I've never read "I AM," but the description of it on the Web is close to what I am saying.

I would disagree with the use of the noun "I" based on my brief understanding of the book. In reality, there is no "I"; there is only "AM." Any idea of an "I," just as the idea of a separate self, is just another delusion.

The I is typing up posts. Saying it does not exist is mumbo jumbo.

33 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

An example of that in math is that there is no such thing in reality as anything that is a "1." 1 is just another delusion created by our human intellect.

1 means solo. One male dog. One apple.

Saying 1 is a delusion is crazy talk. I'd say you have lost the plot.

On 8/6/2026 at 5:21 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

Some do, and some do not, believe in the Scientific Method.

What is your opinion?

I discovered to my surprise that I can find water underground with two metal rods. Science can't explain everything. Science is useful but it doesn't yet cover all cases.

53 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

The earth is the perfect distance from the sun and yearly cycles.

You are a climate change nut. Hence your poor understanding of science.

You, IMO, are a complete idiot. All planets could be said to be "the perfect distance" from their sun, and most rotate in what could be called "yearly cycles." We, humans, have evolved on this planet and judge everything there to be "perfect" because our evolution has adapted our bodies and minds to it.

And the above is an answer based on logic and reason because I am human and because it's a response to another human's ideas. In reality, all is chaos.

57 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

The I is typing up posts. Saying it does not exist is mumbo jumbo.

My "I" (self) is typing up these posts. And "you" (yourself) are reading them and commenting on them. But in reality, there is no separate self. All is One. All is chaos.

57 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

1 means solo. One male dog. One apple.

Saying 1 is a delusion is crazy talk. I'd say you have lost the plot.

Yes, 1 means solo, yet nothing is solo and independent of everything else. Using some examples of the things you cited above, where does one dog end and the other begin? Where does the apple end and the tree begin, and the tree end and the dirt begin? They are all connected. They are all just part of everything. You could call everything "1," but that would be close to the beginning of a religion, which, IMO, is just another attempt, like science, to explain things by putting them in some other perspective, and is also just another delusion. All is chaos. There is no such thing as 1, or other integers, or math, or logic, or straight lines, or the passage of time. These are all just delusional products of our human intellect. They have proved very useful in helping us survive, but they are delusions.

19 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

My "I" (self) is typing up these posts. And "you" (yourself) are reading them and commenting on them. But in reality, there is no separate self. All is One. All is chaos.

Humans would be dead under chaos.

15 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

18 hours ago, gargamon said:

Reading rockyroad's posts is bad for you

I have you on ignore for being a left wing troll.

So how did you see my post if I'm on ignore?

On 8/6/2026 at 7:44 PM, KhunLA said:

There's 72 genders, and followed up with 'men can have babies'

Plus a certain person with facial hair and deep voice complained of 'period pains'

Further reading had him menstruating using his bottom.

It were then I felt dizzy

I called Gladys for a glass of warm milk as I went to lay down.

Born 1950's we were never taught this in school.

7 minutes ago, tmd5855 said:

Plus a certain person with facial hair and deep voice complained of 'period pains'

Further reading had him menstruating using his bottom.

It were then I felt dizzy

I called Gladys for a glass of warm milk as I went to lay down.

Born 1950's we were never taught this in school.

In biology class we were taught humans, with 2 sexes, M & F

Social Studies, we we taught humans with 3 sexual preferences, straight, gay or bi. Amazing how we progressed to 72. Evolution is amazing 😂

All based on science, of course.

Edited August 8Aug 8 by KhunLA

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Obviously impossible.

Example: where is scientific proof that it's imminent important to have a ballroom next to White House?

The US Government is NOT run in accordance with the Scientific Method.

This is obvious.

59 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

You, IMO, are a complete idiot. All planets could be said to be "the perfect distance" from their sun, and most rotate in what could be called "yearly cycles."

The rotation of a planet is not a 'yearly cycle', it's a 'daily cycle'. The revolution of a planet represents the 'yearly cycle'.

1 hour ago, IsaanT said:

I discovered to my surprise that I can find water underground with two metal rods. Science can't explain everything. Science is useful but it doesn't yet cover all cases.

There is water under the ground on which my house is situated.

I doubt I will require dowsing rods to find it.

3 hours ago, technoronin said:

Testosterone causes prostate cancer.

When you start to realize how many hypothesis are taken as proven by "scientists", the lack of the Scientific Method is obvious.

Science does not prove anything is true.

Otherwise, this would not be science.

Hope you understand the distinction.

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

But in reality, there is no separate self. All is One. All is chaos.

That’s not reality, that is religion. The universe is not chaos like some confused human minds. For example, evolution has an order such as the evolution of some human beings of gibberish incoherent confused nonsense. If you have any clue and understanding of what it is that you’re trying to get your head around then you would know that all this life form on earth evolved from carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, sulfur and phosphorus is how all this started here on this planet, all in an evolutionary order. As posted early on this thread, idiocy here is guaranteed, best for folks to keep their mouths shut when they don’t know what it is that they’re looking at and come here with wild self interpretations.

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

You, IMO, are a complete idiot. All planets could be said to be "the perfect distance" from their sun, and most rotate in what could be called "yearly cycles." We, humans, have evolved on this planet and judge everything there to be "perfect" because our evolution has adapted our bodies and minds to it.

And the above is an answer based on logic and reason because I am human and because it's a response to another human's ideas. In reality, all is chaos.

The other planets have no life on them. You sound poorly educated. No wonder you fell for the co2.

2 hours ago, WDSmart said:

My "I" (self) is typing up these posts. And "you" (yourself) are reading them and commenting on them. But in reality, there is no separate self. All is One. All is chaos.

0% of earth patterns are chaos.

While the physical laws governing Earth are deterministic, scientists often introduce stochastic (random) terms into climate and weather models. This isn't because nature is inherently random, but because human computers lack the computing power to measure every single air molecule or leaf on Earth.

Key Takeaway: Earth isn't run by random dice rolls. It is a deeply interconnected clockwork mechanism where the gears are so numerous and sensitive that the output looks like randomness.

9 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Edited August 8Aug 8 by Rockyroad

3 hours ago, ArchieBunker said:

What it looks like here is your inability to grasp what science is.

You too and clearly neither of you finished primary school and instead graduated from the school of hard knocks and labor.

You can discuss rather than just throwing insults. Educate us. I always thought scientific theories were always open to being tested and challenged.

On 8/6/2026 at 11:35 PM, Gsxrnz said:

The world is and always has been run on the basis that wealth and power reign supreme. From the first caveman that wielded a bigger stick and coerced others to wield their sticks at his whim, to (insert the name of any politician of any persuasion, or nutjobs like Musk and Altman), wealth and power is all that matters.

It will never change. Science is merely one of many tools to be used or abused.

As are statistics!

3 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

Humans would be dead under chaos.

Humans, and all life, evolve to live with chaos. Humans, and virtually all animals, take that one step further and impose logical, cause-and-effect patterns over the chaos. That's how we and all life survives.

2 hours ago, ColeBOzbourne said:

The rotation of a planet is not a 'yearly cycle', it's a 'daily cycle'. The revolution of a planet represents the 'yearly cycle'.

I was just using the word the original poster used. I should have used the term "orbit" instead of "rotate."

2 hours ago, novacova said:

That’s not reality, that is religion. The universe is not chaos like some confused human minds. For example, evolution has an order such as the evolution of some human beings of gibberish incoherent confused nonsense. If you have any clue and understanding of what it is that you’re trying to get your head around then you would know that all this life form on earth evolved from carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, sulfur and phosphorus is how all this started here on this planet, all in an evolutionary order. As posted early on this thread, idiocy here is guaranteed, best for folks to keep their mouths shut when they don’t know what it is that they’re looking at and come here with wild self interpretations.

"Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, sulfur, and phosphorus" are just names we give to conjugations of chaos that form enough of a pattern that we think they are unique and separate. They actually are not. There is no absolute demarcation of where hydrogen stops and oxygen begins. They overlap and, because of that, are chaotic.

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

You can discuss rather than just throwing insults. Educate us. I always thought scientific theories were always open to being tested and challenged.

I am discussing and you are wrong and you know it. We’re all just talking here having a conversation. You made an ignorant statement and were corrected and now you feel offended by the correction and internalized it and then lash out. You don’t look like a well balanced person. Did you feel insulted every time a school teacher corrected you?

On 8/6/2026 at 8:21 PM, Hummin said:

The most important thing is to separate ideas, theories and proven science,

You are wrong, and if you feel insulted by it then it is your fault, no one else.

1 hour ago, Rockyroad said:

The other planets have no life on them. You sound poorly educated. No wonder you fell for the co2.

And how do you know that other planets have no life on them? And how do you know there are other planets? And how do you know you are a being separate from what you call this planet?

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

"Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, sulfur, and phosphorus" are just names we give to conjugations of chaos that form enough of a pattern that we think they are unique and separate. They actually are not. There is no absolute demarcation of where hydrogen stops and oxygen begins. They overlap and, because of that, are chaotic.

Did you skip science class and smoke weed instead or something?