13 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

So your books were mumbo jumbo and not real science. Got it.

Seven of my 10 books were science fiction, which is not real science, but a fictionalized version of what science might be in the future.

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I would agree with your statement above, with the following addition: "..., but does not reveal what is actually happening in reality."

You are looking for answers that don't exist. Nothing is perfect.

13 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

Most things are only chaos on the surface. Novices lack the knowledge to see the patterns. Even monkeys use logic to solve problems.

I see things the exact opposite of what you do. I believe most things, like science, are seen as patterns because our intellect (and that of monkeys and most other animals) imposes patterns on them in order to survive. But the patterns are not really what is going on in reality. That is pure chaos with no patterns.

3 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

You are looking for answers that don't exist. Nothing is perfect.

Again, I see things the exact opposite of what you do. You and those who believe scientific facts are actual facts create those facts because you are looking for answers, and the facts you create provide them to you. I, on the other hand, am not looking for answers. I am just accepting what is real. Everything is perfect.

Just as an example of what I've been saying about science, I'll describe it using geometry as the basis for "facts."

In a right triangle (one with a corner of 90 degrees), the square of the length of the hypotenuse (the side opposite the right angle) is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides.

I agree with that. However....

In reality, there is no such thing as a right triangle, a right angle, a triangle, or even any straight lines.

All of the calculations above, and all scientific facts, are extrapolated from a pattern created by our intellect that does not exist in reality.

This is the basis of everything I've been saying on this forum.

11 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I see things the exact opposite of what you do. I believe most things, like science, are seen as patterns because our intellect (and that of monkeys and most other animals) imposes patterns on them in order to survive. But the patterns are not really what is going on in reality. That is pure chaos with no patterns.

The opposite is true. The patterns are there. A lifesaver can see rips a novice can't. A surfer can spot good waves a novice can't. A good stock trader can see trends a novice can't. The earth is just cycles year after year

If the earth was chaos as you claim then April in Chiang Mai would be cool some years and December would be hot. But that does not happen.

The same patterns repeat each year.

8 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Just as an example of what I've been saying about science, I'll describe it using geometry as the basis for "facts."

In a right triangle (one with a corner of 90 degrees), the square of the length of the hypotenuse (the side opposite the right angle) is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides.

I agree with that. However....

In reality, there is no such thing as a right triangle, a right angle, a triangle, or even any straight lines.

All of the calculations above, and all scientific facts, are extrapolated from a pattern created by our intellect that does not exist in reality.

This is the basis of everything I've been saying on this forum.

You are a glass half empty guy. A laser is 99.9% straight over a short distance.

27 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I see things the exact opposite of what you do. I believe most things, like science, are seen as patterns because our intellect (and that of monkeys and most other animals) imposes patterns on them in order to survive. But the patterns are not really what is going on in reality. That is pure chaos with no patterns.

You are the perfect example of patterns. You keep saying the same things. There is no chaos in your posts at all.

Yet you don't see the irony.

5 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

You are a glass half empty guy. A laser is 99.9% straight over a short distance.

First of all, a laser beam is not straight. In the first place, a laser beam is not just one light particle. It is made up of a grouping of light particles. The tighter the laser beam, the smaller the grouping, but it's always a grouping.

Secondly, even you say the laser beam is not perfectly straight but only 99.9% straight over a short distance. The longer the distance, the more gravity affects the trajectory of the grouping of light particles.

It's not straight.

My glass is 99.9% full.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

First of all, a laser beam is not straight. In the first place, a laser beam is not just one light particle. It is made up of a grouping of light particles. The tighter the laser beam, the smaller the grouping, but it's always a grouping.

Secondly, even you say the laser beam is not perfectly straight but only 99.9% straight over a short distance. The longer the distance, the more gravity affects the trajectory of the grouping of light particles.

It's not straight.

My glass is 99.9% full.

A living organism is an open thermodynamic system that constantly consumes energy (food, sunlight) to maintain internal order.

It uses that energy to continually rebuild its own microscopic machinery faster than physics can break it down.

When an organism stops consuming energy and managing entropy, the atoms don't disappear—they simply stop operating as an organized collective, and the system reverts to equilibrium (death).

In 1944, physicist Erwin Schrödinger published a famous series of lectures titled What is Life?, where he reached that exact same conclusion: living organisms survive by continuously drawing in "negative entropy" from their environment to stave off decay.

From physics to biology, here is why your statement is spot on:

1. Life is Localized Order

In a universe governed by the Second Law of Thermodynamics—where everything naturally breaks down, disperses, and cools off—life is a rare exception.

• Building Up: Life takes scattered, simple molecules (carbon dioxide, water, soil nutrients) and constructs highly complex, organized structures like DNA, proteins, and cellular membranes.

• Paying the Energy Cost: This order isn't free. To maintain it, living things must constantly consume energy (food, sunlight) and pump out heat and waste. You are, in essence, an entropy-reversing engine.

27 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

You are the perfect example of patterns. You keep saying the same things. There is no chaos in your posts at all.

Yet you don't see the irony.

That's because, in spite of what you may think, I am human. I, too, have an intellect, and it constantly produces patterns I can use to survive, or in this case, make arguments, like the "sum of the squares of the other two sides" statement. I see the irony, but I don't ever go so far as to think the irony is truth, like, I believe, you do, and all who believe scientific facts reveal the truth in reality.

36 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

In reality, there is no such thing as a right triangle, a right angle, a triangle, or even any straight lines.

By what measure where no straight lines exist? In mathematics absolute straight lines do exist. Though not in the physical realm.

43 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

All of the calculations above, and all scientific facts, are extrapolated from a pattern created by our intellect that does not exist in reality.

Spiral/helical patterns appear across the entire universe from galaxies to natural systems on earth, and human structures/cognition. Basic mathematical rules of rotation plus radial growth, recursive addition generate comparable forms whether the medium is interstellar gas, plant meristems, fluid vortices, or human aesthetic, organizational choices down to the subatomic level. The reality of the spiraling force of nature is virtually endemic in everything even human thought, quite fascinating and even more so when humans don’t control what they have power over within themselves considering the power of the human mind.

26 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

A living organism is an open thermodynamic system that constantly consumes energy (food, sunlight) to maintain internal order.

It uses that energy to continually rebuild its own microscopic machinery faster than physics can break it down.

When an organism stops consuming energy and managing entropy, the atoms don't disappear—they simply stop operating as an organized collective, and the system reverts to equilibrium (death).

I'm not sure why you posted the above, but I do generally agree that it is a good pattern to describe what we experience.

3 minutes ago, novacova said:

By what measure where no straight lines exist? In mathematics absolute straight lines do exist. Though not in the physical realm.

Spiral/helical patterns appear across the entire universe from galaxies to natural systems on earth, and human structures/cognition. Basic mathematical rules of rotation plus radial growth, recursive addition generate comparable forms whether the medium is interstellar gas, plant meristems, fluid vortices, or human aesthetic, organizational choices down to the subatomic level. The reality of the spiraling force of nature is virtually endemic in everything even human thought, quite fascinating and even more so when humans don’t control what they have power over within themselves considering the power of the human mind.

All those patterns you mention are just that, patterns we have invented to explain our experiences, and then we superimpose those patterns on reality. That's called inductive reasoning. And the human mind is very, very good at doing that. In fact, I'd say that is its purpose.

10 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

All those patterns you mention are just that, patterns we have invented to explain our experiences, and then we superimpose those patterns on reality. That's called inductive reasoning. And the human mind is very, very good at doing that. In fact, I'd say that is its purpose.

Of course, that’s a fair assessment of inductive reasoning and the function of cognition. Though the challenge is keeping the patterns accountable to reality rather than letting them become self sealing.

49 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

All those patterns you mention are just that, patterns we have invented to explain our experiences, and then we superimpose those patterns on reality. That's called inductive reasoning. And the human mind is very, very good at doing that. In fact, I'd say that is its purpose.

You keep repeating the same patterns each minute. Only death is chaos. Life is pure energy operating within localised patterns. Without patterns you die.

1 hour ago, Rockyroad said:

In 1944, physicist Erwin Schrödinger published a famous series of lectures titled What is Life?, where he reached that exact same conclusion: living organisms survive by continuously drawing in "negative entropy" from their environment to stave off decay.

From physics to biology, here is why your statement is spot on:

1. Life is Localized Order

In a universe governed by the Second Law of Thermodynamics—where everything naturally breaks down, disperses, and cools off—life is a rare exception.

• Building Up: Life takes scattered, simple molecules (carbon dioxide, water, soil nutrients) and constructs highly complex, organized structures like DNA, proteins, and cellular membranes.

• Paying the Energy Cost: This order isn't free. To maintain it, living things must constantly consume energy (food, sunlight) and pump out heat and waste. You are, in essence, an entropy-reversing engine.

Order is one of about 6 or 8 core characteristics of Life.

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Order is one of about 6 or 8 core characteristics of Life.

Most living organisms fall into 8 to 10 repetitive patterns.

Edited August 10Aug 10 by Rockyroad

4 hours ago, WDSmart said:

Just as an example of what I've been saying about science, I'll describe it using geometry as the basis for "facts."

In a right triangle (one with a corner of 90 degrees), the square of the length of the hypotenuse (the side opposite the right angle) is equal to the sum of the squares of the other two sides.

I agree with that. However....

In reality, there is no such thing as a right triangle, a right angle, a triangle, or even any straight lines.

All of the calculations above, and all scientific facts, are extrapolated from a pattern created by our intellect that does not exist in reality.

This is the basis of everything I've been saying on this forum.

We live in a practical reality where science matters, not an abstract philosophical reality where anything can be a possibility and therefore correct. Science allows us to build safe buildings, calculate what we need, fly aircraft, build bridges and live reasonably safe and comfortable lives with the resources available to us.

The universe does not care what we call a triangle, but the building still falls down if we get the calculations wrong.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

We live in a practical reality where science matters, not an abstract philosophical reality where anything can be a possibility and therefore correct. Science allows us to build safe buildings, calculate what we need, fly aircraft, build bridges and live reasonably safe and comfortable lives with the resources available to us.

The universe does not care what we call a triangle, but the building still falls down if we get the calculations wrong.

He is wrong and you are not correct, either, when talking about the questionable reality of a right angle.

Due to curvature of space-time, it should be obvious to EVERYONE that right angles do not exist.

19 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Most living organisms fall into 8 to 10 repetitive patterns.

NO.

We are talking about core characteristics shared by all life on Earth.

No need for you to overcomplicate this.

It is very simple science.

3 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

He is wrong and you are not correct, either, when talking about the questionable reality of a right angle.

Due to curvature of space-time, it should be obvious to EVERYONE that right angles do not exist.

Laser levels are used to build buildings which is close enough to being level so that it is safe.

Without science we have nothing. A modern car is very safe due to scientific principles.

3 hours ago, WDSmart said:

First of all, a laser beam is not straight. In the first place, a laser beam is not just one light particle. It is made up of a grouping of light particles. The tighter the laser beam, the smaller the grouping, but it's always a grouping.

Secondly, even you say the laser beam is not perfectly straight but only 99.9% straight over a short distance. The longer the distance, the more gravity affects the trajectory of the grouping of light particles.

It's not straight.

My glass is 99.9% full.

Laser beams do not travel in a straight line.

And right angles do not exist in our universe.

Where, oh where, did you ever get that notion.

In fact, in reality, spacetime is curved, and I just wish you knew, since you are one of the foremost writers of science FICTION....

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

He is wrong and you are not correct, either, when talking about the questionable reality of a right angle.

Due to curvature of space-time, it should be obvious to EVERYONE that right angles do not exist.

Right angles and orthogonality remain perfectly well defined locally, if you live in the same reality as me

3 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Laser beams do not travel in a straight line.

And right angles do not exist in our universe.

Where, oh where, did you ever get that notion.

In fact, in reality, spacetime is curved, and I just wish you knew, since you are one of the foremost writers of science FICTION....

Gamma, your own AI screenshot actually backs my claim. Read it again. 😉

6 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Laser levels are used to build buildings which is close enough to being level so that it is safe.

Without science we have nothing. A modern car is very safe due to scientific principles.

It was stated that laser light travels in a straight line.

FALSE

FALSE

FALSE

Let us first get the science right before you begin building your buildings.

Right Angles do not exist in our universe, which is the only one we have.

This is VERY SIMPLE science.

And, PLEASE ask the other dude to stop making absolutist comments about Geometry and how it explains his World View...thank you....

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

It was stated that laser light travels in a straight line.

FALSE

FALSE

FALSE

Let us first get the science right before you begin building your buildings.

Right Angles do not exist in our universe, which is the only one we have.

This is VERY SIMPLE science.

And, PLEASE ask the other dude to stop making absolutist comments about Geometry and how it explains his World View...thank you....

Childish response. You are arguing over 1%.

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

We live in a practical reality where science matters, not an abstract philosophical reality where anything can be a possibility and therefore correct. Science allows us to build safe buildings, calculate what we need, fly aircraft, build bridges and live reasonably safe and comfortable lives with the resources available to us.

The universe does not care what we call a triangle, but the building still falls down if we get the calculations wrong.

I agree 100%!

I am just responding to the title of this forum, "Do You Believe in the Scientific Method? And, Why?"

I DO BELIEVE the scientific method is a useful tool. Why? Because I consistently use its results.

I DO NOT BELIEVE the scientific method reveals a true picture of reality. Why? Because the scientific method is based on inductive logic, and reality is not bound by logic. (I call that "chaos," but maybe I should just call it "illogical.")

Here's how Microsoft's AI, CoPilot, describes reality:
"Reality is chaotic at its foundation, nonlogical in its behavior, and only appears orderly because humans impose patterns on it." (Which is EXACTLY how I've been describing it.)

Edited August 10Aug 10 by WDSmart

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Gamma, your own AI screenshot actually backs my claim. Read it again. 😉

Well, if the screenshot states that light travels in a straight line, even laser light, and that right angles exist in our universe...then...

The screenshot is misleading....OBVIOUSLY.....

I will contact Google.

But, meanwhile, what I stated is correct, concerning paths of light which NEVER travel in a straight line.

Any good schoolboy knows this.

And, every budding child astronomer knows this, too, and can observe this effect, easily.