'I was made victorious by terror cast into the hearts of my enemies' Bukhari 2977'- the fake prophet muhhamad, a confessed terrorist and the role model and hero to all muslims.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

How many times has a plane crashed into such a building, so it would be known what happens afterwards?

Impossible flight maneuvers? People, like them, can learn to fly a plane on a computer, especially when it's just steering and not taking off and landing.

Watching videos and guessing their timelines isn't always accurate.

All the debris was either crushed or burned into a large mess. They used equipment to pick up are carry away everything. They sifted through all of it at the crash site and later when it was deposited. Do you think what they found is public records?

Loud sounds reported during the destruction of the World Trade Center towers were structural failures, massive collapsing weights, and pressurized air blasts, rather than pre-planted explosives. Extensive scientific investigations by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) concluded that no controlled demolition or hidden charges caused the collapses.

Structural and Mechanical Causes of Sounds

• Steel Failure: Snapping and buckling of heavy steel columns under immense heat and loads created loud, gunshot-like booming noises.

• Falling Debris: The descent of multi-ton floor sections and concrete crashing down internal shafts generated roaring and crashing sounds resembling explosions.

• Air Compression: Rapidly plummeting upper building sections acted like pistons, compressing air and forcing sudden blasts of wind, smoke, and dust out through windows and lower-level openings.

Evidence Against Controlled Demolition

• Audio and Seismic Data: Sound and seismic recordings did not capture the distinctive high-decibel signature or sequential timing of specialized explosive charges.

• Initiation Points: Video evidence shows collapses starting directly at the fire and airplane impact zones, progressing downward organically from the damaged areas.

• Many conspiracy theorists around since Kennedy was assassinated and fully understandable, but most things can be explained.

Another sheep following a false narrative avoiding the evidence that actually occurred .

Hahahaha pilots that took flight lessons on small private aircraft can suddenly learn not only how to fly a commercial plane but suddenly know how to navigation to targets at distance.

No controlled explosives but dont consider thermite in molten metal and audible and visual evidence along with eye witness testimony to explosives being detonated.

Controlled collapse of a untouched building while a closer building is unaffected and left out of the 911 report.

Wrong aircraft engine ground nearby. Foreign News reporting collapse before it occurred. The list goes on and on but not included or addressed in govt reports.

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

Another sheep following a false narrative avoiding the evidence that actually occurred .

Hahahaha pilots that took flight lessons on small private aircraft can suddenly learn not only how to fly a commercial plane but suddenly know how to navigation to targets at distance.

No controlled explosives but dont consider thermite in molten metal and audible and visual evidence along with eye witness testimony to explosives being detonated.

Controlled collapse of a untouched building while a closer building is unaffected and left out of the 911 report.

Wrong aircraft engine ground nearby. Foreign News reporting collapse before it occurred. The list goes on and on but not included or addressed in govt reports.

No, not a sheep but an American citizen that actually knows what goes on there and doesn't go by opinions from people that have never been there or only visited as a tourist.

This was out there after this happened, and i guess you missed that..............Flight Training and Education

• Several of the hijackers traveled to the United States and enrolled in civilian flight schools to learn how to pilot small aircraft and understand basic flight principles.

• They focused primarily on handling large aircraft in mid-air rather than learning how to take off or land, since their suicide mission only required steering the plane once it was already flying.

Simulators and Practice

• The operatives used desktop computer flight simulation software and training manuals to study the instrument layouts and flight characteristics of large Boeing commercial jets.

• They familiarized themselves with the cockpit controls, navigation, and directional steering required to point the heavy aircraft at large, visible landmark targ.

• I know others who work with explosives and they said the same things I mentioned. You're also saying it was detonated explosions, which can easily be examined, and the planes were only diversions to it? LOL.

• There were independent examinations, and although this is AI, it surely is a better explanation that a conspiracy theory with no evidence...............The World Trade Center towers collapsed straight down because the intense jet-fuel fires severely weakened the internal steel columns and floor trusses until they could no longer support the massive weight above. Once the damaged upper section dropped, gravity drove a rapid, unstoppable progressive collapse straight through the path of least resistance—vertically downward.

  Why the Fall Was Vertical

  • Airplane Impact: The hijacked planes sliced through exterior columns and heavy central core columns, while stripping away vital fireproofing insulation.

  • Extreme Heat: Uncontrolled fires spread across multiple floors, causing the structural steel to lose strength and the floor trusses to sag inward.

  • Column Buckling: As the sagging floors pulled on the outer walls, the weakened exterior and core columns buckled under the load.

  • Gravitational Momentum: The top block of the building dropped onto the floors below, acting like a massive dynamic hammer. Each lower floor offered virtually no resistance to the immense multiplying weight and momentum, forcing the structure down upon itself rather than tipping to the side.

  Detailed scientific findings and structural mechanics of the event are thoroughly documented by the National Institute of Standards and Technology investigations.

• I could say you're the sheep, following other's opinions and not the facts.

Edited August 14Aug 14 by fredwiggy

15 hours ago, riclag said:

Looking back after the Hamas massacre of foreign nationals in Gaza,The recirculation of Osama bin Laden’s 2002 "Letter to America". which explicitly attempts to justify the targeting and killing of American civilians, drawn millions of views and expressions of sympathy online. This development underscores the ongoing presence of narratives that treat the September 11 attacks as somehow deserved or understandable rather than as an unprovoked act of mass murder.

In the context of the 25 year 9/11 remembrance discussion, such sympathy for a letter that rationalizes terrorism against civilians strengthens the case for excluding those who associate with or promote "America deserved 9/11" views or who align with ideologies that excuse terror.

The viral spread of this material, particularly among younger audiences influenced by progressive and radical left supporters, illustrates why allowing supporters of Marxist/Leninist or Maoist movements that traffic in anti American justifications near Ground Zero ceremonies would dishonor the victims and the solemn purpose of the remembrance.

https://www.wral.com/archive/21152679/

Care to tell us where this contingent of people or narrative is that welcome or believe the 911 event was deserved or welcome? I'll wait here for a reply if you can.

What country are they in and your mind doesnt count as a location.

16 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, not a sheep but an American citizen that actually knows what goes on there and doesn't go by opinions from people that have never been there or only visited as a tourist.

This was out there after this happened, and i guess you missed that..............Flight Training and Education

• Several of the hijackers traveled to the United States and enrolled in civilian flight schools to learn how to pilot small aircraft and understand basic flight principles.

• They focused primarily on handling large aircraft in mid-air rather than learning how to take off or land, since their suicide mission only required steering the plane once it was already flying.

Simulators and Practice

• The operatives used desktop computer flight simulation software and training manuals to study the instrument layouts and flight characteristics of large Boeing commercial jets.

• They familiarized themselves with the cockpit controls, navigation, and directional steering required to point the heavy aircraft at large, visible landmark targ.

• I know others who work with explosives and they said the same things I mentioned. You're also saying it was detonated explosions, which can easily be examined, and the planes were only diversions to it? LOL.

• There were independent examinations, and although this is AI, it surely is a better explanation that a conspiracy theory with no evidence...............The World Trade Center towers collapsed straight down because the intense jet-fuel fires severely weakened the internal steel columns and floor trusses until they could no longer support the massive weight above. Once the damaged upper section dropped, gravity drove a rapid, unstoppable progressive collapse straight through the path of least resistance—vertically downward.

  Why the Fall Was Vertical

  • Airplane Impact: The hijacked planes sliced through exterior columns and heavy central core columns, while stripping away vital fireproofing insulation.

  • Extreme Heat: Uncontrolled fires spread across multiple floors, causing the structural steel to lose strength and the floor trusses to sag inward.

  • Column Buckling: As the sagging floors pulled on the outer walls, the weakened exterior and core columns buckled under the load.

  • Gravitational Momentum: The top block of the building dropped onto the floors below, acting like a massive dynamic hammer. Each lower floor offered virtually no resistance to the immense multiplying weight and momentum, forcing the structure down upon itself rather than tipping to the side.

  Detailed scientific findings and structural mechanics of the event are thoroughly documented by the National Institute of Standards and Technology investigations.

• I could say you're the sheep, following other's opinions and not the facts.

I am an american and own a home in washington dc not far from the pentagon. I was there when the 911 event occured so know first hand about the event. My brother in-law works at the pentagon and was there also. I stand by my statments.

Learning or attempting to learn to fly a private plane and reading manuals does not teach you to fly a commercial jet. Many hours of flight time are required to pilot a commercial aircraft. I believe i recall the flight company stating that several were not good students and 1 was particulatly terrible.

Reading manuals and familiarizing the cockpit does a not teach long distance navigation nor actual flight.

Thousands of engineers and architects worldwide seem to differ in your understanding of the dynamics of taking down that type of building structure in the controlled manner as seen. Not to mention the presence of thermite in the collapsed structure or molten metal at the collapsed site and the on site testimony of the firefighters about explosives and audio and visual records via news tapes showing the same.

I never said anything about the planes being a diversion from the explosives used to take down the buildings.

Nice try at diversion by implying I have never been there and dont know what happened and just a tourist. So yeah i think your still a sheep

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

I am an american and own a home in washington dc not far from the pentagon. I was there when the 911 event occured so know first hand about the event. My brother in-law works at the pentagon and was there also. I stand by my statments.

Learning or attempting to learn to fly a private plane and reading manuals does not teach you to fly a commercial jet. Many hours of flight time are required to pilot a commercial aircraft. I believe i recall the flight company stating that several were not good students and 1 was particulatly terrible.

Reading manuals and familiarizing the cockpit does a not teach long distance navigation nor actual flight.

Thousands of engineers and architects worldwide seem to differ in your understanding of the dynamics of taking down that type of building structure in the controlled manner as seen. Not to mention the presence of thermite in the collapsed structure or molten metal at the collapsed site and the on site testimony of the firefighters about explosives and audio and visual records via news tapes showing the same.

I never said anything about the planes being a diversion from the explosives used to take down the buildings.

Nice try at diversion by implying I have never been there and dont know what happened and just a tourist. So yeah i think your still a sheep

They didn't need to learn how to land or takeoff a plane, which are the hardest elements. What they learned was how to steer a plane, which is easy. The only thing was knowing where to steer, which came from a very clear day, and targets that could be seen from miles away. They also took lessons from US flight schools. My son has a pilots license and many , especially if they know how a plane's controls work, can fly a plane by steering. The planes were taken over over New York airspace. Landmarks from above aren't hard to follow on a clear day.

Molten metal happens when a plane filled with jet fuel hits a building which in turns ignites other flammable materials already there.

I had relatives living there, lived in New Jersey for 30 years, and one relative who worked in the center but who luckily wasn't there that day.

Again, go by facts instead of labeling someone you don't know a sheep. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature, but go by evidence and not other's opinions.

So, you're saying this was planned with explosives but the planes hitting were only a diversion and didn't cause the building to fall? How many buildings of that size and structure has this happened to where planes hit them?

16 hours ago, johng said:

All evidence points to a false flag

so you believe there were no planes at all involved? You should become great friends with the AN poster who gets his 'scientific opinion' from centuries old religious essays.

I am definitely not a conspiracy theorist though I do often question official narratives. The question that I have asked frequently over the past 25 years is that if they didn't think it was the right thing to do, to shoot down the first plane because there was no precedent for such an action, what happened with the second and third plane and why were they allowed to fly directly toward their targets? That never made sense to me as it quite obvious what the intention was.

What makes more sense to me is that Bush Jr. and his minions decided to let them go as he felt that was his Pearl Harbor moment, and that would be what was required to justify the Iraq War, which apparently Cheney had been planning since Inauguration Day.

Always question the official narrative.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

No, not a sheep but an American citizen that actually knows what goes on there

Thing is, the people that dreamed up this attack, knew in advance that the vast majority of Americans would buy into the official narrative. I guess it's kind of human nature to absolutely shut out any possibility that an influential clique of fellow countrymen would ever do this to their own people. Another pearl harbour as the right wing hawkes had called for. They needed a distraction from the decline of empire that, by then, was already well underway

7 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

Thing is, the people that dreamed up this attack, knew in advance that the vast majority of Americans would buy into the official narrative. I guess it's kind of human nature to absolutely shut out any possibility that an influential clique of fellow countrymen would ever do this to their own people. Another pearl harbour as the right wing hawkes had called for. They needed a distraction from the decline of empire that, by then, was already well underway

Some trust the government, but others like myself wait to see the outcomes, as many have been bad decisions over the years. That this might end up with some positives is possible, although a positive for one might be a negative for another. You can't please everyone.

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

so you believe there were no planes at all involved?

No I didn't say no planes involved.. perhaps 2 crashed into the towers

one into a field and a rather dubious one into the pentagon.

The ones that crashed into buildings performed manoeuvres that veteran pilots say they could not have achieved on a first and only attempt.

21 hours ago, riclag said:

Should anybody who associates with “America deserved 9/11”or sympathizers sympathetic to terror regimes be allowed near the event ,remembering 9/11 victims in NYC.

Big remembrance coming for the victims of the largest Terror attack on my country. it’s 25 years while the anti America , anti semitic propaganda that supports/ sympathizes with Terror are promoting to cast doubt on our country with their Marxist, Leninist Maoist ideology.Take this symposium for example coming out of a very progressive institution, there objective is all one sided , international law, migration, race, surveillance, policing.while dismissing safety of a sovereign country built on traditional principles of law, order & assimilation.

“This symposium brings together legal scholars, practitioners, and others from across various disciplines to examine the enduring legacies of 9/11; the ways the legal and political architecture of the post-9/11 era continues to shape contemporary debates about race, migration, surveillance, war, technology, policing, and international law; and think collectively about how to chart a better path forward”.

https://law.ucla.edu/25-years-after-9/11-symposium

https://www.cbs19news.com/mamdani-critics-want-to-bar-him-sept-11-ceremonies/article_afbb1cd8-6ee9-58df-91ba-5ccec757baee.html

The story is based on a cbs19 news & UCLA symposium report

21 hours ago, riclag said:

Big remembrance coming for the victims of the largest Terror attack on my country. it’s 25 years while the anti America , anti semitic propaganda that supports/ sympathizes with Terror are promoting to cast doubt on our country with their Marxist, Leninist Maoist ideology.Take this symposium for example coming out of a very progressive institution, there objective is all one sided , international law, migration, race, surveillance, policing.while dismissing safety of a sovereign country built on traditional principles of law, order & assimilation

9/11 families push to ban Mamdani from 25th anniversary remembrance over 'hostile' record

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/9-11-families-push-ban-mamdani-25th-anniversary-remembrance-hostile-record

Families & Americans who still grieve should have a right to oppose those who associate with anybody who denies, sympathizes with, supports, or sits quiet about terror perpetrated that day,especially those who refuse to condemn rhetoric, organizations, or political figures that validate or excuse acts of terrorism.

I celebrate 9-11 the same every year.

First I read the August 6 PDB...

Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US - Wikipedia https://share.google/dKsHQBCk799wttQC6

Then I look at the smug look of confidence on a stupid white guy's face. 😃

Why did I keep reading 'My Pet Goat'? To give people confidence, says Bush

The Independent |

https://share.google/BLlK386rrKfDhrIej

USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸 USA 🇺🇸

In the attempt to Ban those discussed in my OP, a spokesperson said,

"For 9/11 families, this is not simply a public ceremony—it is a deeply personal day of mourning. The presence of individuals whose words or associations are perceived as conflicting with the solemn purpose of the event risks detracting from that focus and causing additional pain," the consortium wrote".

The mayor of NYC recent comment: "I will proudly honor families the survivors the first resp forever impacted by that horrific terror attack by standing alongside them at this year’s 9/11 commemoration — reaffirming that we will never forget the solemn day...," he said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/9-11-families-push-ban-mamdani-25th-anniversary-remembrance-hostile-record

16 hours ago, riclag said:

The 19 hijackers were Arab alQaeda extremists who murdered nearly 3,000 people,that fact is locked in by flight records, DNA, intelligence, and their own claims of responsibility, not some convenient "false flag",

Victims families have repeatedly petitioned to keep the remembrance focused on the dead rather than political theater or apologetics for terror.

Conspiracy theories and narrative shifting about "deserved' attacks only prove how terror propaganda peddled by the left and Jew haters has morphed into full Red/Green Alliance insanity.

These same terror supporters miraculously started protesting the same day if not hours after the Hamas Massacre.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_war_protests_in_the_United_States

They were not only Arab, they were Salafi Muslim from Saudi Arabia. The country which has been funding Salafi mosques all over the world. Mosques used to brainwash most Islamic extremists who committed terrorist crimes in Western countries, and also in Africa.

3 hours ago, Dan O said:

Care to tell us where this contingent of people or narrative is that welcome or believe the 911 event was deserved or welcome? I'll wait here for a reply if you can.

What country are they in and your mind doesnt count as a location.

It's just a ridiculous MAGA attempt to associate Mamdani to the 9/11 attack. It just confirms how hopeless they are! 🤣

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

I am definitely not a conspiracy theorist though I do often question official narratives.

When a person insists they aren't a conspiracy theorist yet continues to question widely accepted truths, it's clear they are engaging in conspiracy thinking.

A Very moral distinction being promoted by Americans in the Jewish community.

"The petition comes amid elevated rhetoric directed at Mamdani as he prepares to take office before his first September 11 commemoration as mayor, as Rep. Randy Fine, R-Fla., and radio host Sidney Rosenberg both recently declared the mayor a "terrorist".

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/9-11-families-push-ban-mamdani-25th-anniversary-remembrance-hostile-record

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

How many times has a plane crashed into such a building, so it would be known what happens afterwards?

None but I believe they did actually plan for such an event while designing the buildings

and don't forget they actually survived a bombing in 1993

https://www.fbi.gov/history/cases-and-criminals/world-trade-center-bombing-1993

and

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing

Remembering, When the world witness Mamdani fast talk in relation to 9/11 & other terrorism.

"{Despite lamenting the effects of terrorism-induced xenophobia, Mr. Mamdani, a Ugandan native, has refused to repudiate acts of Islamic violence. That includes the Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas terrorist attack in Israel, in which some 1,200 Jews were killed, setting off the war in Gaza".

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2025/oct/28/zohran-mamdani-admits-aunt-debunked-islamophobia-story-actually/?srsltid=AfmBOopT8EKCSvdCa-pRlKtUM-HVKVo21ap2jAjpGMycKubwq822NrAV

5 hours ago, Dan O said:

Another sheep following a false narrative avoiding the evidence that actually occurred .

Hahahaha pilots that took flight lessons on small private aircraft can suddenly learn not only how to fly a commercial plane but suddenly know how to navigation to targets at distance.

No controlled explosives but dont consider thermite in molten metal and audible and visual evidence along with eye witness testimony to explosives being detonated.

Controlled collapse of a untouched building while a closer building is unaffected and left out of the 911 report.

Wrong aircraft engine ground nearby. Foreign News reporting collapse before it occurred. The list goes on and on but not included or addressed in govt reports.

The two terrorists who crashed into the twin towers used Pan Am International Flight Academy – Miami, Florida – to practice on Boeing 727 simulators.

https://www.saveourskiesalliance.org/911-flight-training.html

8 minutes ago, candide said:

The two terrorists who crashed into the twin towers used Pan Am International Flight Academy – Miami, Florida – to practice on Boeing 727 simulators.

And some how they became crack 'kamikaze' pilots despite their teachers saying they were

crap (ordinary) pilots.

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The question that I have asked frequently over the past 25 years is that if they didn't think it was the right thing to do, to shoot down the first plane because there was no precedent for such an action, what happened with the second and third plane and why were they allowed to fly directly toward their targets?

did you ask AI? I did:

• The military did not have time to react before the second plane hit the South Tower at 9:03 AM.

• Hijackers turned off transponders, making the planes hard to track on radar.

• Air traffic control and NORAD communicated slowly during the chaos.

There was 17 minutes between the plane strikes.

3 hours ago, johng said:

The ones that crashed into buildings performed manoeuvres that veteran pilots say they could not have achieved on a first and only attempt.

Sure... lol

In other news:

The aircraft executed wide, high-speed, descending turns into the towers. Once a commercial jet is airborne, pointing it toward a massive skyscraper relies on standard visual steering.

Most wide descending turns are managed smoothly by the Flight Management System (FMS) and autopilot via LNAV and VNAV profiles. Hand-flying a wide turn requires basic, comfortable inputs rather than heavy physical exertion. In this case autopilot was not on.

Edited August 14Aug 14 by gamb00ler

Did past nyc mayors use their administration to condemn israel or americas enemy's like Mamdani?

Historical precedent in NYC shows the complete opposite. For over 75 yrs mayors like Koch, Giuliani, Bloomberg, de Blasio, and Adams,every NYC administration maintained an explicit, bipartisan consensus supporting Israel and firmly condemning anti Western or militant organizations.

What we are seeing with DSA figures like Mamdani isn't a continuation of past mayoral politics, but a complete break from it. Americans are rightly pointing out that using municipal office to push an anti imperialist, anti Israel Marxist agenda replaces a decades long civic consensus with the ideological priorities of the radical left.

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

They didn't need to learn how to land or takeoff a plane, which are the hardest elements. What they learned was how to steer a plane, which is easy. The only thing was knowing where to steer, which came from a very clear day, and targets that could be seen from miles away. They also took lessons from US flight schools. My son has a pilots license and many , especially if they know how a plane's controls work, can fly a plane by steering. The planes were taken over over New York airspace. Landmarks from above aren't hard to follow on a clear day.

Molten metal happens when a plane filled with jet fuel hits a building which in turns ignites other flammable materials already there.

I had relatives living there, lived in New Jersey for 30 years, and one relative who worked in the center but who luckily wasn't there that day.

Again, go by facts instead of labeling someone you don't know a sheep. I'm not a conspiracy theorist by nature, but go by evidence and not other's opinions.

So, you're saying this was planned with explosives but the planes hitting were only a diversion and didn't cause the building to fall? How many buildings of that size and structure has this happened to where planes hit them?

Go check up on the facts yourself and contradictions to the report compared to omitted information and testimony from on site responders.

Steering a plane is one thing but navigating it with multiple turns and decents over many miles is quite a different matter.

Jet fuel may be hot when it explodes but is then gone with a short time. The remaining contents could not create a level of heat required to melt enough steel to a running liquid state to cause a collapse as seen.

You believe what you want to. You have a great day now

35 minutes ago, candide said:

The two terrorists who crashed into the twin towers used Pan Am International Flight Academy – Miami, Florida – to practice on Boeing 727 simulators.

https://www.saveourskiesalliance.org/911-flight-training.html

Hahahah Yeah a total of 6 hours each. It takes about 1500 hours of training to fly one

9 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Go check up on the facts yourself and contradictions to the report compared to omitted information and testimony from on site responders.

Steering a plane is one thing but navigating it with multiple turns and decents over many miles is quite a different matter.

Jet fuel may be hot when it explodes but is then gone with a short time. The remaining contents could not create a level of heat required to melt enough steel to a running liquid state to cause a collapse as seen.

You believe what you want to. You have a great day now

Hahahah Yeah a total of 6 hours each. It takes about 1500 hours of training to fly one

The terrorists took over the plane over New York air pace, then going by landmarks on a very clear day, simply steered the plane into the buildings. Not hard when you learn how to fly using simulators. How else did the planes hit the buildings? American pilots turned terrorist in all the planes? The jet fuel, along with the plane, everything it hit, all burning can weaken the structure enough to cause a collapse.

As per the other reply, yes, it does take many hours to learn to take off, fly and land a jet to qualify you as a pilot, but once it's in the air, and close to the targets, all they had to do was steer, which is easily learned using what they were training on.

Dropping conspiracy links and off topic political jabs is just a way to change the subject when the actual record can't be defended.

The question raised by the OP remains, Should an official who refuses to unequivocally repudiate terror rhetoric be participating in the 25th anniversary 9/11 memorial? I think it is best for me not to engage with your comments going forward in the future .

25 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The terrorists took over the plane over New York air pace, then going by landmarks on a very clear day, simply steered the plane into the buildings. Not hard when you learn how to fly using simulators. How else did the planes hit the buildings? American pilots turned terrorist in all the planes? The jet fuel, along with the plane, everything it hit, all burning can weaken the structure enough to cause a collapse.

As per the other reply, yes, it does take many hours to learn to take off, fly and land a jet to qualify you as a pilot, but once it's in the air, and close to the targets, all they had to do was steer, which is easily learned using what they were training on.

You go with that.

11 minutes ago, Dan O said:

You go with that.

Yes, me and the rest of the world, besides those 7 you believe in.