1 hour ago, Rams86 said:

Where was Donald Trump when we needed him?

He was on scene PDQ actually

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

did you ask AI? I did:

• The military did not have time to react before the second plane hit the South Tower at 9:03 AM.

• Hijackers turned off transponders, making the planes hard to track on radar.

• Air traffic control and NORAD communicated slowly during the chaos.

There was 17 minutes between the plane strikes.

Sorry but I don't share the same amount of trust and faith in AI as you do. I've seen multiple instances where it's just thrown out ridiculous garbage.

FAA precedent means that when a plane goes more than a few miles off its intended course the Air Force is immediately alerted and in this particular case there's no doubt that F18s were scrambled to intercept them. Though it plays against the narrative and this kind of thing is rarely spoken about, there's no doubt that they were nearby and in a position to take those planes down.

Why that didn't happen is really the question that we need to study and ask about.

46 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

How else did the planes hit the buildings?

Remote control, yes the 'terrorists' are on the plane but the impossible manoeuvres

are conducted by 'fly by wire' from somewhere else ?

1 hour ago, Rams86 said:

Where was Donald Trump when we needed him?

He was busy stealing billions from unsuspecting small contractors, who showed good faith, and unwisely accepted contracts from the gutter trash, money hungry, greedy and immoral developer.

24 minutes ago, johng said:

Remote control, yes the 'terrorists' are on the plane but the impossible manoeuvres

are conducted by 'fly by wire' from somewhere else ?

What color is the sky in your world?

If you listen to the left & the Jew haters who support Terror they'll re write the history books . Remember this America!

"The September 11 attacks, colloquially known as 9/11, were a coordinated series of suicide attacks perpetrated by the Islamic terrorist organization al-Qaeda against the United States in 2001".

11 minutes ago, riclag said:

"The September 11 attacks, colloquially known as 9/11, were a coordinated series of suicide attacks perpetrated by the Islamic terrorist organization al-Qaeda against the United States in 2001"

Yep that is what they want you to believe , so as to usher in the 'patriot act' and never ending war against 'terrorism'

total surveillance of everything and everyone ( what's not to love ? )

21 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

What color is the sky in your world?

probably the same as yours ....fly by wire ???

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21 hours ago, riclag said:

Victims families have repeatedly petitioned to keep the remembrance focused on the dead rather than political theater or apologetics for terror.

Whereas you, somewhat predictably, are attempting to use it to support and justify your own political identities policies and actions.

I Agree with the principle that commemoration of those who died should not attract political comment or demonstrations. I also think that should apply right across the political spectrum from extreme left to extreme right.

In remembering 9/11--and I read the NYT portraits of everyone who died in the Towers--how come Saudi is our new best friend???

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, me and the rest of the world, besides those 7 you believe in.

I go with facts not redacted reports. If there are facts avoided that point away from any report then you need to consider them and and why they are not included. Sorry if it rattles your world view as a sheep following blindly. The US government has conduct false flag operations on numerous occasions so you can wake the f up or ignore reality, you choose. I go with all the information.

AOC's direct tie to the Marxist DSA movement says it all. Anyone aligned with an organization holding those radical foreign policy positions & ideology so destructive to America has no business standing near Ground Zero on a day of national remembrance.

On 8/13/2026 at 3:22 PM, riclag said:

Should anybody who associates with “America deserved 9/11”or sympathizers sympathetic to terror regimes be allowed near the event ,remembering 9/11 victims in NYC.

Big remembrance coming for the victims of the largest Terror attack on my country. it’s 25 years while the anti America , anti semitic propaganda that supports/ sympathizes with Terror are promoting to cast doubt on our country with their Marxist, Leninist Maoist ideology.Take this symposium for example coming out of a very progressive institution, there objective is all one sided , international law, migration, race, surveillance, policing.while dismissing safety of a sovereign country built on traditional principles of law, order & assimilation.

“This symposium brings together legal scholars, practitioners, and others from across various disciplines to examine the enduring legacies of 9/11; the ways the legal and political architecture of the post-9/11 era continues to shape contemporary debates about race, migration, surveillance, war, technology, policing, and international law; and think collectively about how to chart a better path forward”.

https://law.ucla.edu/25-years-after-9/11-symposium

https://www.cbs19news.com/mamdani-critics-want-to-bar-him-sept-11-ceremonies/article_afbb1cd8-6ee9-58df-91ba-5ccec757baee.html

The story is based on a cbs19 news & UCLA symposium report

Edited August 14Aug 14 by riclag

38 minutes ago, riclag said:

AOC's direct tie to the Marxist DSA movement says it all. Anyone aligned with an organization holding those radical foreign policy positions & ideology so destructive to America has no business standing near Ground Zero on a day of national remembrance.

So there, 3 pages in, we have discovered what this is really about!

You don't think AOC should be there!

She is a New York Congressional Representative.

8 hours ago, riclag said:

9 hours ago, Dan O said:

I go with facts not redacted reports. If there are facts avoided that point away from any report then you need to consider them and and why they are not included. Sorry if it rattles your world view as a sheep following blindly. The US government has conduct false flag operations on numerous occasions so you can wake the f up or ignore reality, you choose. I go with all the information.

You have no facts , and like that proverbial sheep, are following another's opinion, so give it a rest. I know what the US government has done that's been proven all along, as I lived there 62 years and wasn't a hero worshiping follower.

On 8/13/2026 at 9:24 PM, Mr Awesome said:

Do you also believe that the moon landing was faked?

What's that got to do with the price of cheese ?

I just personally remember sitting at my parent's house breakfast table and CNN shows that a plane struck the WTC. As a licensed pilot I was thinking: That's strange. Clear weather. How come? And then saw live the plane #2 hit. And realized: Major league event.

Edited August 15Aug 15 by JerryM

5 minutes ago, JerryM said:

I just personally remember sitting at my parent's house breakfast table and CNN shows that a plane struck the WTC. As a licensed pilot I was thinking: That's strange. Clear weather. How come? And then saw live the plane #2 hit. And realized: Major league event.

I was picking my daughter up at school when they had it on TV there. When that second plane hit, I knew it was terrorists.

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

You have no facts , and like that proverbial sheep, are following another's opinion, so give it a rest. I know what the US government has done that's been proven all along, as I lived there 62 years and wasn't a hero worshiping follower.

I gave you facts you can easily research yourself.

I follow my own thinking and as many facts available, not opinions blindly or government reports, you should try it sometime.

4 minutes ago, Dan O said:

I gave you facts you can easily research yourself.

I follow my own thinking and as many facts available, not opinions blindly or government reports, you should try it sometime.

I only go by facts, as opinions mean nothing. What you gave are opinions. If there was any facts in this case, it would open a huge can of worms and be publicized. Yes, it's easy to follow others you trust, no matter if they're speaking the truth or out in space. I wait for the evidence, as again, I'm not politically motivated. The same with the Kennedy assassination. Lots of conjecture and I have my own ideas on who killed him and why, which match many others.

46 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I only go by facts, as opinions mean nothing. What you gave are opinions. If there was any facts in this case, it would open a huge can of worms and be publicized. Yes, it's easy to follow others you trust, no matter if they're speaking the truth or out in space. I wait for the evidence, as again, I'm not politically motivated. The same with the Kennedy assassination. Lots of conjecture and I have my own ideas on who killed him and why, which match many others.

Your time is up on this topic with me on. You have a great day

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

When that second plane hit, I knew it was terrorists.

Well done Sherlock!

On 8/14/2026 at 2:12 PM, riclag said:

AOC's direct tie to the Marxist DSA movement says it all. Anyone aligned with an organization holding those radical foreign policy positions & ideology so destructive to America has no business standing near Ground Zero on a day of national remembrance.

I know you won't read this, but why are you quoting yourself. It is somewhat unsettling.

Mr. Obama, put up or shut up, now is the time to take a clear stance on the threat facing America before the 25th anniversary of the terror attack. His admin ordered the 2011 raid that killed Osama bin Laden, Obama created a lasting dilemma by pursuing policies of engagement and rhetorical restraint toward radical Islamist movements that helped normalize the Red/Green alliance of leftists and radical Islamists.

That approach left him silent on the growing anti American posture of groups like the DSA and their supporters, whose platform rejects U.S. power and often aligns with narratives hostile to Western interests, like America deserved 9/11.

The resulting contradiction is that the FPOTUS who eliminated the mastermind of 9/11 never confronted the ideological tie that later allowed some on the far left to downplay or even soft pedal the very jihadist threat bin Laden represented.

In the years since, this unresolved tension has only only gotten fever pitched as DSA aligned voices and their allies continue to frame American actions as the greater problem while the Red/Green alliance threat flourishes unchecked.

Agents: ISIS suspect was ready to die to make Allah happy

This is why the original post asked whether people who associate with such justifications for terrorism should be allowed near the 9/11 remembrance events at Ground Zero. Twenty five years later, the same ideological terror that Epstein described continues.

The recent case of Jessica Bowie from NY,who admitted she went from a little girl waving the American flag after 9/11 to proudly displaying stickers of the fallen Twin Towers while plotting an ISIS inspired attack,perfectly shows the radicalization Julian Epstein warned about in this thread. Epstein, a longtime Dem, has sounded the alarm that far left ideology incubated in universities and progressive circles is producing anti American victimology that endangers the USA. Bowie’s transformation from post 9/11 patriot to someone celebrating the mass murder of nearly 3k Americans shows exactly how those "America deserved it" narratives and terror sympathetic views take root.

Agents: ISIS suspect was ready to die to make Allah happy

On 8/13/2026 at 4:36 PM, riclag said:

Longtime Dem and Clinton ally Julian Epstein issues an urgent warning that the far left, particularly through the university system, has gone "off the deep end", producing radical ideology and victimology that endangers the country.

Two things stick in my mind about that day. How come some of the terroist's passed security with Stanley knives in there Arse pockets clearly seen as they were pictured going through security, and I believe jets were scambled that quickly they didn't have time to attach any Weapons ? how the hell were they going to bring a 727 down ?

Another young American hooked by the radical left's rally cry for the oppressed terrorist .

"Jessica Bowie of Albany, New York, was charged with attempting to provide material support to a designated foreign terrorist organization, officials said".

"She converted to Islam about five years ago and created several social media profiles to “espouse anti-American messages,” according to a criminal complaint filed Thursday in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of New York".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/08/20/woman-arrested-alleged-isis-inspired-plot-bomb-new-york-capitol/

Edited August 21Aug 21 by riclag

To understand what happened on September 11th, close your eyes and imagine yourself wearing a military uniform. As a soldier, you're accustomed to the fact that the price of any acquisition is human lives. Very often, this price is too high—tens of thousands of lives—meaning the military operation is bad and it would be better if it never happened!

And then a sergeant comes up to you and says:

"Private Smith, we have a plan for a military operation that will result in the entire world supporting all our wars for 20 years to come!"

"Casualties?"

"Only 2,000 people!"

8 minutes ago, zmisha said:

To understand what happened on September 11th, close your eyes and imagine yourself wearing a military uniform. As a soldier, you're accustomed to the fact that the price of any acquisition is human lives. Very often, this price is too high—tens of thousands of lives—meaning the military operation is bad and it would be better if it never happened!

And then a sergeant comes up to you and says:

"Private Smith, we have a plan for a military operation that will result in the entire world supporting all our wars for 20 years to come!"

"Casualties?"

"Only 2,000 people!"

"Many people ask me what it was like that day"(in reference to first sentence of the YT doc) and now you want to spew conspiracy theories to deflect . The topic is a 25 year remembrance it goes further to honor the dead at the hands of the same radicals my country is fighting once again.

"Wikipedia • The September 11 attacks, colloquially known as 9/11, were a coordinated series of suicide attacks perpetrated by the Islamic terrorist organization al-Qaeda against the United States in 2001".

Edited August 21Aug 21 by riclag

54 minutes ago, riclag said:

"Many people ask me what it was like that day"(in reference to first sentence of the YT doc) and now you want to spew conspiracy theories to deflect . The topic is a 25 year remembrance it goes further to honor the dead at the hands of the same radicals my country is fighting once again.

"Wikipedia • The September 11 attacks, colloquially known as 9/11, were a coordinated series of suicide attacks perpetrated by the Islamic terrorist organization al-Qaeda against the United States in 2001".

Many people deeply sympathize with the Americans—they've been through a lot. However, to ensure these events never happen again, an analysis of their causes and consequences is also important. I'm not claiming that this is exactly how it happened, but rather pointing out that, from the perspective of military logic, which balances losses against gains, this is a beneficial military event.