3 hours ago, farang51 said:

Indeed; however, if the US controlled the strait it wouldn't be a hard decision to make. It is getting a little tiresome to see people like dinsdale blindly repeat the talking points from Trump and his top people even when the talking points clearly is contrary to reality.

The Strait being demined is NOT a talking point from Trump. It's a matter of fact announced by CENTCOM. I have previously stated that we'll have to wait and see if shipping companies will start using the central corridor which is international waters. Are you disappointed that there is now a possibility that more oil might start flowing out of the Strait.

Goldman Says Gulf Oil Exports at 2/3 of Pre-War Level

by Bloomberg

|

Yongchang Chin

 | Friday, August 28, 2026 | 10:00 AM EST

Oil exports from the Persian Gulf have recovered to around two-thirds of pre-war levels, limiting the Iran war’s impact on global crude prices, according to Goldman Sachs Group Inc.

https://www.rigzone.com/news/wire/goldman_says_gulf_oil_exports_at_23_of_prewar_level-28-aug-2026-184483-article/

If the shipping companies start using the egress and ingress lanes this number will only go up. Surely this is good news for all but the irrational Trump haters and the fundamentalists running Iran.

Edited Saturday at 09:44 PM4 days by dinsdale

Control of the strait is not depending on mines. Trump has for more than 14 days repeatedly said the US controls the strait - if that was the case, export through the strait would be back to normal by now, which it is not.

The 2/3 level of export mentioned in that article is the total export from the area, not of what goes through the strait.

1 hour ago, farang51 said:

The 2/3 level of export mentioned in that article is the total export from the area, not of what goes through the strait.

Total exports of crude and oil products from the region have risen to 15 million to 16 million barrels a day, helped by higher crossings through the Strait of Hormuz, Goldman analysts including Daan Struyven and Yulia Zhestkova Grigsby said in a note. That’s still 7 to 8 million barrels below pre-conflict levels, but well above a trough of 5 million to 6 million barrels a day in March, they said.

Oil transits through the Strait of Hormuz alone are likely close to US officials’ 8 million to 10 million barrel a day estimates, the analysts said.

https://www.rigzone.com/news/wire/goldman_says_gulf_oil_exports_at_23_of_prewar_level-28-aug-2026-184483-article/

Those following fox propaganda are guilty of dragging USA further down. Claims of irans military destroyed are false. Proof is all USA bases in the region are combat ineffective. Carriers are stationed too far making them useless. Iran is in full control and USA knows it. That’s why they don’t dare to resume fighting. But the narrative has to be that they’re winning. In doing so USA servicemen and regional allied are in harms way.

14 hours ago, dinsdale said:

There's a continual watch on the sites. Do you actually think they are still enriching?

AI says it's paused but Iran still possesses massive amounts that have already been enriched. So, Trump's purpose for going to war has not been achieved.

4 minutes ago, newnative said:

AI says it's paused but Iran still possesses massive amounts that have already been enriched. So, Trump's purpose for going to war has not been achieved.

And prior to Trump ripping up the nuclear deal, Iran had nothing refined beyond 3% and 'only' 300kg.

All enrichment has taken place since the deal was ripped up for the sole reason Obama's name was attached to it.

29 minutes ago, MIke B Bad said:

And prior to Trump ripping up the nuclear deal, Iran had nothing refined beyond 3% and 'only' 300kg.

All enrichment has taken place since the deal was ripped up for the sole reason Obama's name was attached to it.

That was only what they were showing. Inspectors were denied access from some sites and was what was happening under the mountains even known about?

Edited Sunday at 01:34 AM4 days by dinsdale

I hope General Natalie can win this war against the Russian hussies 😎

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

That was only what they were showing. Inspectors were denied access from some sites and was what was happening under the mountains even known about?

During the Obama-era implementation period, the IAEA issued over a dozen reports stating Iran was meeting its JCPOA nuclear obligations — enrichment caps, stockpile limits, centrifuge restrictions, and access provisions.

These findings were based on:

• continuous surveillance cameras

• online enrichment monitors

• daily inspector access at Natanz and Fordow

• environmental sampling

• Additional Protocol short-notice inspections

The IAEA described this as the most intrusive inspection regime ever negotiated.

And Trump's alternative?......no deal, just do what ever you want....pure genius.

I supported Trump, although I did not vote for him, when he first took office. He lost me when it became obvious that he was not going to honor his campaign promises including promises to stay out of the foreign wars which he aggressively started. I like neither party, but I'm now going to vote a straight Democrat ticket with the hopes that the Democrat House and Senate will convict and remove the utterly insane US President, Donald J. Trump. Then in 2028 I'm going back to voting third parties and independents for no other reason than to exercise my voting rights.

24 minutes ago, MIke B Bad said:

During the Obama-era implementation period, the IAEA issued over a dozen reports stating Iran was meeting its JCPOA nuclear obligations

Correct. In this agreement it was acknowledged that some areas were no access areas. As for Fordow that place was massive. I would think, and yes this is just my opinion, that things may well have been hidden away from prying eyes.

2 hours ago, MIke B Bad said:

And prior to Trump ripping up the nuclear deal, Iran had nothing refined beyond 3% and 'only' 300kg.

All enrichment has taken place since the deal was ripped up for the sole reason Obama's name was attached to it.

But every Trump supporters and the sycophants around him will tell you with a straight face that "The JCPOA under Obama was a path directly to Iran developing a nuclear bomb which Iran would immediately use on Israel."

The sheer amount of propaganda and outright lies coming out of the various Trump Administration departments is a testament to the effectiveness of Joseph Goebbels-like propaganda and misinformation on average low-information citizens. The JCPOA worked, but Trump needed a casus belli to invade Iran, so he dismantled the treaty and then cranked up the Netanyahu "Iran is two weeks from a nuclear bomb (for the last thirty years)" propaganda in order to justify his attempt to overthrow Iran and take their oil and natural resources.

18 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Correct. In this agreement it was acknowledged that some areas were no access areas. As for Fordow that place was massive. I would think, and yes this is just my opinion, that things may well have been hidden away from prying eyes.

So the solution was no inspections?

On 8/29/2026 at 6:21 AM, dinsdale said:

It will take a long time to get back to where it was before this kicked off.

There's still the threat of missiles and drones but there's also A LOT of protection in the region. What's needed is the shipping companies to have confidence to transit through although as pointed out in this CENTCOM announcement ships are already getting through, though this was a southern route with ships going through dark. Will tankers and cargo vessels start using the international shipping lanes I guess is the question.

So what is needed is for huge ships that are filled with huge quantities of flammables and present huge targets to ignore the threat of missiles and drones. Gee, I wonder why ship captains and shipping companies aren't doing that.

On 8/29/2026 at 7:44 AM, dinsdale said:

Before The fundamentalists were well on their way to having nukes and ICBMs to strap them to. Do you think if they got nukes the Strait would remain an international corridor of transit for shipping?

So Trump was lying when he said Iran's nuclear program was obliterated last summer.

On 8/29/2026 at 6:24 AM, dinsdale said:

There's a continual watch on the sites. Do you actually think they are still enriching?

So we stay at war forever and Iran won't be able to enrich. Is that your argument?

On 8/29/2026 at 8:51 AM, NanLaew said:

Yes, it will just take time for things to return to normal...with Iran's nuclear capability still in place, just like it was almost exactly six months ago.

One big difference: Iran now knows it can shut down the Strain of Hormuz, hurt the world economy and strangle the Gulf allies of the US. Perhaps I should say "former allies".

On 8/29/2026 at 11:40 AM, HolmesEquivelant said:

How is he defeated? Appears you and Iran have the same source.

Iran thinks it's winning because the regime has survived and has the population under control and the Strait of Hormuz effectively shut to any traffic it doesn't want to let through.

23 hours ago, connda said:

I supported Trump, although I did not vote for him, when he first took office. He lost me when it became obvious that he was not going to honor his campaign promises including promises to stay out of the foreign wars which he aggressively started. I like neither party, but I'm now going to vote a straight Democrat ticket with the hopes that the Democrat House and Senate will convict and remove the utterly insane US President, Donald J. Trump. Then in 2028 I'm going back to voting third parties and independents for no other reason than to exercise my voting rights.

Not a bad plan. Rank Choice Voting would allow you to vote for independents and third party candidates while still reserving a safety vote for the least bad of the two big parties, but the two big parties will fight to keep that from happening.

6 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Iran thinks it's winning because the regime has survived and has the population under control and the Strait of Hormuz effectively shut to any traffic it doesn't want to let through.

Iran MAGA thinks it's winning because despite the regime has survived surviving and has the with their population under control and the Strait of Hormuz effectively shut to any traffic it doesn't want to let through.

On 8/30/2026 at 6:36 AM, dinsdale said:

Total exports of crude and oil products from the region have risen to 15 million to 16 million barrels a day, helped by higher crossings through the Strait of Hormuz, Goldman analysts including Daan Struyven and Yulia Zhestkova Grigsby said in a note. That’s still 7 to 8 million barrels below pre-conflict levels, but well above a trough of 5 million to 6 million barrels a day in March, they said.

Oil transits through the Strait of Hormuz alone are likely close to US officials’ 8 million to 10 million barrel a day estimates, the analysts said.

https://www.rigzone.com/news/wire/goldman_says_gulf_oil_exports_at_23_of_prewar_level-28-aug-2026-184483-article/

Pre-war exports via Hormuz were approximately double what they are at present.

After 6 months of on-again, off-again war, cease-fires and about US$37 billion spaffed up against the wall, Iran still has the 'nuclear dust', refining capability and the Iranian regime is still in power.

Edited Monday at 02:58 AM3 days by NanLaew

29 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Iran thinks it's winning because the regime has survived and has the population under control and the Strait of Hormuz effectively shut to any traffic it doesn't want to let through.

It’s ain’t over yet. I hope the best is yet to come.

Shock and awe.

2 hours ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

It’s ain’t over yet. I hope the best is yet to come.

Shock and awe.

We have hit them with a lot of "Shock and awe" and the regime is still standing, while we've run down a significant portion of our most expensive and difficult to replace munitions. A blockade of Iran may eventually work, but that requires leaving a significant part of our navy dedicated to the effort. It is much cheaper for Iran to wait us out. Meanwhile our budget deficit keeps growing and China ponders the possibilities for mischief while we're bogged down in the Middle East.

Trump dug us into a hole and there is no good way out.

21 hours ago, heybruce said:

We have hit them with a lot of "Shock and awe" and the regime is still standing, while we've run down a significant portion of our most expensive and difficult to replace munitions. A blockade of Iran may eventually work, but that requires leaving a significant part of our navy dedicated to the effort. It is much cheaper for Iran to wait us out. Meanwhile our budget deficit keeps growing and China ponders the possibilities for mischief while we're bogged down in the Middle East.

Trump dug us into a hole and there is no good way out.

What was it about my post “it ain’t over yet “ confused you the most?

The “it” or the “ain’t” or the “over” of the “yet”???

4 hours ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

What was it about my post “it ain’t over yet “ confused you the most?

The “it” or the “ain’t” or the “over” of the “yet”???

I understood. Quagmires last a long time. What was it about my post that you didn't understand?

8 hours ago, heybruce said:

I understood. Quagmires last a long time. What was it about my post that you didn't understand?

I already used that statement. Try to be original and quit deflecting when you have no legitimate reply.

9 hours ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

I already used that statement. Try to be original and quit deflecting when you have no legitimate reply.

That wasn't an original statement on your part. It's quite old. I'm not deflecting, you're running from my response. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to repost it:

"We have hit them with a lot of "Shock and awe" and the regime is still standing, while we've run down a significant portion of our most expensive and difficult to replace munitions. A blockade of Iran may eventually work, but that requires leaving a significant part of our navy dedicated to the effort. It is much cheaper for Iran to wait us out. Meanwhile our budget deficit keeps growing and China ponders the possibilities for mischief while we're bogged down in the Middle East."

"Trump dug us into a hole and there is no good way out."

BTW: Did you know that Putin has declared support for Iran? No surprise, he's already provided them with intelligence. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2026/09/01/putin-pledges-support-iran-rallies-leaders-challenge-us/

War? What war?

We won on the first day, in the first hour. ⭐

Pay no attention to those bombs exploding over your heads, Boys.

Commander Runs-away-from-Combat is looking out for #1🤣

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

That wasn't an original statement on your part. It's quite old. I'm not deflecting, you're running from my response. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to repost it:

"We have hit them with a lot of "Shock and awe" and the regime is still standing, while we've run down a significant portion of our most expensive and difficult to replace munitions. A blockade of Iran may eventually work, but that requires leaving a significant part of our navy dedicated to the effort. It is much cheaper for Iran to wait us out. Meanwhile our budget deficit keeps growing and China ponders the possibilities for mischief while we're bogged down in the Middle East."

"Trump dug us into a hole and there is no good way out."

BTW: Did you know that Putin has declared support for Iran? No surprise, he's already provided them with intelligence. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2026/09/01/putin-pledges-support-iran-rallies-leaders-challenge-us/

I’ve said this before and obviously it needs repeating.

“It ain’t over yet “

Maybe, just maybe it will comprehend this time.

But then, maybe not!

Edited yesterday at 03:26 AM1 day by HolmesEquivelant

3 hours ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

I’ve said this before and obviously it needs repeating.

“It ain’t over yet “

Maybe, just maybe it will comprehend this time.

But then, maybe not!

I comprehend. You think a miracle will happen, like when Trump ended the Russian-Ukraine war in 24 hrs (did that happen?).

I'm pointing out that there is no quick way out other than to declare victory, go home, and pretend that Iran is not in a stronger position than it was before the war.

It is much more likely that Trump will keep the region in military limbo, at great expense to the US, until the end of his term. After he is out of office he will claim everything was under control when he was in office. People like you will believe him from start to finish.

All the while the US will go deeper into debt, our munition stockpiles will be drained faster than they can be replenished, and respect and trust will be lowered further than their current low.