52 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

NO. The arabs themselves admit that the "Jews" were the orignal and still present occupants.

The population before 1948 consisted of a majority of Arab residents (who later became known or identified as Palestinians) alongside a growing Jewish minority.

The majority of the land (about 70%) was public or state land passed down from the Ottoman administration to the British Mandate, while private individuals (both Arab and Jewish) owned a minority of the actual land titles.

48 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

If a country was not present at the start. It was not a walkout. The absence allowed many countries to avoid the idiocy of a walkout, while allowing them cover to avoid problems with anti Israel factions. The actual walkout was much small than what you want people to believe.

When are you going to come to the conclusion that the State of Israel is seen by a majority of Humankind as a Pariah State.

44 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Israel does not have money to purchase influence and the data supports that.

The Arabs do, but you ignore that.

Iran, Russia and China have spend large amounts on sowing civil unrest in the west.

Yes, the Arab funds AIPAC, The Labour/Conservative Friends of Israel and any where else they can get their money to buy political influence.

As far as Iran, Russia and China spending money to sow civil unrest, there is no need, plenty of unrest throughout the World towards Israel.

On 9/25/2026 at 1:40 PM, Stanthenomad said:

Walking out, not interested in an informative point of view is typical of hypocrite preachers of hate and terror supporters. Good, clear, concise dialogue from Netanyahu.

Listening to Yahoo these days is a bit like listening to the Goon in Washington, nothing but disinformation, and neither of them have any relationship whatsoever to truth, so why even bother?

4 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Do explain how Israel buys and pays for the US Congress. Actual facts and not anti Israel propaganda please.

Did I say that? No,I did not. I simply said that the US Congress was bought and paid for. I think if you check, you’ll see that many millions of dollars are funneled to members of Congress by AIPAC and other organizations funded, in large part, by United States Zionist billionaires.

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

Did I say that? No,I did not. I simply said that the US Congress was bought and paid for. I think if you check, you’ll see that many millions of dollars are funneled to members of Congress by AIPAC and other organizations funded, in large part, by United States Zionist billionaires.

And if you check, the millions of dollars funneled to members of Congress by AIPAC is just a fraction of the hundreds of millions of dollars funneled to members of Congress by OpenSecrets, a leftist, anti-Israel organization.

But you know that, yes?

On 9/25/2026 at 6:16 PM, SiSePuede419 said:

Oh look!

We get to see Mossad's Enemies List.

Criticizing Zionists is not Antisemitism.

Sorry the truth offends your feelings

Australia? What did you expect.

They still haven’t drafted plans for their first carrier yet.

28 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And if you check, the millions of dollars funneled to members of Congress by AIPAC is just a fraction of the hundreds of millions of dollars funneled to members of Congress by OpenSecrets, a leftist, anti-Israel organization.

But you know that, yes?

Well, how is that working out for them? You’d be hard pressed to say that the US Congress is anti-Israeli. That’s the result of AIPAC funding and a propaganda campaign that has successfully convinced many that if you’re anti-Zionist, you must be anti-Jewish. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth.

It’s a shame, really. All over the world, Jewish people have been negatively impacted. In the USA, Jewish students at some universities have been unable to even walk across campus to class without harassment. Their crime? Being Jewish.

Anyway, Netanyahu is playing the Holocaust card to further Zionism to the detriment of Jews everywhere. Regardless of what Netanyahu says, this looks like it will end badly for Israel. And the sad part, is that none of it was necessary.

5 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Well, how is that working out for them? You’d be hard pressed to say that the US Congress is anti-Israeli. That’s the result of AIPAC funding and a propaganda campaign that has successfully convinced many that if you’re anti-Zionist, you must be anti-Jewish. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth.

It’s a shame, really. All over the world, Jewish people have been negatively impacted. In the USA, Jewish students at some universities have been unable to even walk across campus to class without harassment. Their crime? Being Jewish.

Anyway, Netanyahu is playing the Holocaust card to further Zionism to the detriment of Jews everywhere. Regardless of what Netanyahu says, this looks like it will end badly for Israel. And the sad part, is that none of it was necessary.

That Jewish students are attacked for being Jewish is due in large part, to OpenSecrets.

And if OpenSecrets is successful in flipping the House and Senate in November, that will be the end of Israel.

You seem to be blaming the harassment of Jews in the US to the actions of Jews six thousand miles away, why?

37 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

That Jewish students are attacked for being Jewish is due in large part, to OpenSecrets.

And if OpenSecrets is successful in flipping the House and Senate in November, that will be the end of Israel.

You seem to be blaming the harassment of Jews in the US to the actions of Jews six thousand miles away, why?

Do tell, how OpenSecrets, the nation's premier research group tracking money in U.S. politics and its effect on elections and public policy is responsible for Jews being attacked, and if the House and Senate are flipped in November, the end of Israel?

Netanyahu himself seems to be incredibly sympathetic to the extremist Ultra Zionist and Israeli settlers, who are not normal people, and don't think like normal people, and don't have the kind of hearts normal people have. They're Old Testament Folks, and they seem to think that murder and genocide is justifiable. They have this fake moral high ground based on a conviction that they are truly chosen by God.

Here is just another example of the behavior by the heathens, who are posing as men of God.

On a scorching summer day, Israeli settlers gathered around a pool in the occupied West Bank that Palestinians say was created by diverting water from a spring that had long irrigated their crops.

The spring near the village of Fasayil in the fertile Jordan Valley had provided Palestinian farmers with water for generations, supporting agriculture, employment and household needs. But in June, settlers seized an irrigation pipeline belonging to farmer Saad Nemer and redirected the water toward an ancient pool at an archaeological site.

“Our water supply remains cut off to this day, depriving us of the water we depend on for our homes, our livelihoods, and our agricultural land,” Nemer said.

United Nations data cited by Reuters shows that Israeli settlers have attacked at least 160 water and sanitation sites across the Palestinian territory this year. Nemer said his fields and greenhouses, which would normally produce eggplant, zucchini and watermelons, have been left unplanted because of the loss of water.

“The settlers cutting off our water has caused us losses and has meant that many families will lose their work and their livelihoods,” he said.

Nemer also said a worker had been beaten by settlers and that he had faced threats when attempting to approach the spring.

Israeli settler Yishai Shreiber, 21, who visited the pool, said Palestinians would now be afraid to approach because of the large number of Israelis using the site.

Shreiber said he believed the West Bank belonged to the Jewish people and that Palestinians who did not accept Jewish authority should leave.

Nemer showed Reuters a 2025 land ownership document from COGAT, the Israeli military agency responsible for civilian policy in the occupied territories. He also presented a map from a 1957 land registration showing that his property included the spring and pool.

Arad said archaeology was being used in some cases to reinforce the perception that the West Bank was exclusively Jewish.

A billboard outside the pool advertised the 3 million shekel investment from Smotrich for the restoration and development of what he called “Herod’s Pools.”

https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2026/08/14/west-bank-water-dispute-escalates-as-israeli-settlers-divert-palestinian-spring/

18 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The only land grab was Palestine invading Israelis land and trying to take that land and keep it for themselves on Oct 7 th .

Jews living on Judea isn't a land grab

How quickly you forget about November 1947 as being an infamous date in history.

• In November 1947, following World War II and the Holocaust, the newly-created United Nations approved a plan to divide Palestine into Jewish and Arab states, against the will of the majority indigenous Palestinian Arab population. It gave 56% of the land to the proposed Jewish state, despite the fact that Jews owned only about 7% of the private land in Palestine and made up only about 33% of the population, a very large percentage of whom were recent immigrants from Europe. The Palestinian Arab state was to be created on just 42% of Palestine, even though Muslim and Christian Palestinians made up a large majority of the population and were indigenous to all of the land. Jerusalem was to be governed by a special international administration.

• Almost immediately after the partition plan was passed, the expulsion of Palestinians by Zionist militias began, months before the armies of neighboring Arab states became involved. By the time these militias and the new Israeli army finished, the new state of Israel covered 78% of Palestine. The remaining 22%, comprising the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza, fell under the control of Jordan and Egypt, respectively. In the 1967 War, the Israeli military occupied the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and Gaza, which Israel began colonizing shortly afterwards.

https://imeu.org/resources/resources/quick-facts-the-palestinian-nakba-catastrophe/142

17 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Do tell, how OpenSecrets, the nation's premier research group tracking money in U.S. politics and its effect on elections and public policy is responsible for Jews being attacked, and if the House and Senate are flipped in November, the end of Israel?

By "premier" you mean hard left, yes?

Do tell, how Israel is committing genocide on Palestinians, when the population in Palestine is growing, and when the when 20% of Israel's population is Arab? What percentage of Palestine is Jewish again?

Palestine is trying to kill as many Jews as they can. Israel is not trying to kill as many Palestinians as they can, yet you claim Israel is committing genocide on Palestine. Apparently, you think it okay for Arabs to kill Jews, but it's not okay for Jews to kill Arabs. Do tell why that is?

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

By "premier" you mean hard left, yes?

Do tell, how Israel is committing genocide on Palestinians, when the population in Palestine is growing, and when the when 20% of Israel's population is Arab? What percentage of Palestine is Jewish again?

Palestine is trying to kill as many Jews as they can. Israel is not trying to kill as many Palestinians as they can, yet you claim Israel is committing genocide on Palestine. Apparently, you think it okay for Arabs to kill Jews, but it's not okay for Jews to kill Arabs. Do tell why that is?

Nevermind answering the questions asked, just a deflection of a genuine post question.

Lovely selection of word salad, by the way, have you got some dressing I could have with it?

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

That Jewish students are attacked for being Jewish is due in large part, to OpenSecrets.

And if OpenSecrets is successful in flipping the House and Senate in November, that will be the end of Israel.

You seem to be blaming the harassment of Jews in the US to the actions of Jews six thousand miles away, why?

Open Secrets? You can pretty much bet that 99% of the voters have never heard of Open Secrets. Add if the House and the Senate are flipped in November, it won’t be because of whatever propaganda they spew. It will be because people have had enough of high gas prices and people have had enough of high food prices and high housing prices and high prices for just about everything else, while, at the same time trying to exist on salary levels that have barely increased over the years. As they say, “it’s the economy, stupid.” And of course, the war against Iran is hardly popular among voters of either party.

As for the harassment of Jews in the USA? I’m not blaming anyone . But, like it or not, it’s happening, no? Those kids are paying the price for Netanyahu’s nonsense. People are lashing out at them because they can’t lash out at Netanyahu. They’re an easy target.

And finally, as for the end of Israel, I wonder if Netanyahu has looked at a map lately? How many people live in Israel? Not many, compared to the hundreds of millions of enemies they are currently making in the neighborhood . And there’s no guarantee of continued US military support.

Edited Sunday at 05:12 AM1 day by jas007

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Nevermind answering the questions asked, just a deflection of a genuine post question.

Unlike my questions your "questions" assume facts not in evidence.

OpenSecrets, affects elections, public policy and public sentiment with funding.

If the House and Senate are flipped, the US will stop funding Israel and will effectively start rearming and funding Iran.

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Lovely selection of word salad, by the way, have you got some dressing I could have with it?

In other words, your position falls apart the moment you have to be honest.

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

OpenSecrets, affects elections, public policy and public sentiment with funding.

You have proof of this, please show a link of your claim.

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

If the House and Senate are flipped, the US will stop funding Israel and will effectively start rearming and funding Iran.

Really, you believe if the Republicans lose the Mid-terms, the US will stop funding Israel, and rearm Iran?

15 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Open Secrets? You can pretty much bet that 99% of the voters have never heard of Open Secrets. Add if the house in the Senate are flipped in November, it won’t be because of whatever propaganda they spew. It will be because people have had enough of high gas prices and people have had enough of high food prices and high housing prices and high prices for just about everything else, while, at the same time trying to exist on salary levels that have barely increased over the years. As they say, “it’s the economy, stupid.” And of course, the war against Iran is hardly popular among voters of either party.

And why do you suppose that 99% of voters have never heard of OpenSecrets, while 99% od voters have heard of AIPAC, event though OpenSecrets' influence dwarfs AIPAC?

And why do you think the Iran war is so unpopular?

15 minutes ago, jas007 said:

As for the harassment of Jews in the USA? I’m not blaming anyone . But, like it or not, it’s happening, no? Those kids are paying the price for Netanyahu’s nonsense. People are lashing out at them because they can’t lash out at Netanyahu. They’re an easy target.

Yet why were no significant number of university students harassing Muslims after 9/11 and/or 10/7. And if there had been, do you think the press/left be supporting them, or making excuses for them?

15 minutes ago, jas007 said:

And finally, as for the end of Israel, I wonder if Netanyahu has looked at a map lately? How many people live in Israel? Not many, compared to the hundreds of millions of enemies they are currently making in the neighborhood . And there’s no guarantee of continued US military support.

Yet you feign ignorance when you ask way Israel would disappear if the left flips the House and Senate.

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

You have proof of this, please show a link of your claim.

No, I have no proof that hundreds of millions of dollars poured into campaigns, political organizations, and media has any impact on elections, public policy and public sentiment. You got me.

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Really, you believe if the Republicans lose the Mid-terms, the US will stop funding Israel, and rearm Iran?

I said effectively rearm, not rearm, but yes. You do not?

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

That Jewish students are attacked for being Jewish is due in large part, to OpenSecrets.

And if OpenSecrets is successful in flipping the House and Senate in November, that will be the end of Israel.

For your information:

Nonpartisan, independent and nonprofit, our mission is to serve as the trusted authority on money in American politics. We pursue our mission by providing comprehensive and reliable data, analysis and tools for policymakers, storytellers and citizens. Our vision is for Americans to use data on money in politics to create a more vibrant, representative and responsive democracy.

We pursue our mission with three goals:

• Data: We collect, clean and create access to quality and timely data on money in politics for an informed public.

• Insights: We generate and publish regular analysis, reports and user-friendly tools for people to interpret our data.

• Engagement: We fuel a growing community of policymakers, storytellers, and citizens who follow the money in American politics.

Our award-winning website is the front door for engaging with our data on money in politics. There, you can find a wellspring of resources on elections, politicians, campaign raising and spending, lobbying, learning tools and analysis. OpenSecrets also regularly works with media outlets and journalists to provide exclusive data and analysis to power investigations alongside our own original reporting.

https://www.opensecrets.org/about

On 9/25/2026 at 3:40 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

What were the lies he said ?

(BTW , could you pass on the genocide claims , whether its genocide or not has been discussed infinitely , what other lies were told)

double post somebody already answer

Edited Sunday at 05:52 AM1 day by Mavideol

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No, I have no proof that hundreds of millions of dollars poured into campaigns, political organizations, and media has any impact on elections, public policy and public sentiment. You got me.

I said effectively rearm, not rearm, but yes. You do not?

Hilarious, no proof of any of your claims about OpenSecrets.org, and I do not, what?

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

For your information:

Nonpartisan, independent and nonprofit, our mission is to serve as the trusted authority on money in American politics. We pursue our mission by providing comprehensive and reliable data, analysis and tools for policymakers, storytellers and citizens. Our vision is for Americans to use data on money in politics to create a more vibrant, representative and responsive democracy.

We pursue our mission with three goals:

• Data: We collect, clean and create access to quality and timely data on money in politics for an informed public.

• Insights: We generate and publish regular analysis, reports and user-friendly tools for people to interpret our data.

• Engagement: We fuel a growing community of policymakers, storytellers, and citizens who follow the money in American politics.

Our award-winning website is the front door for engaging with our data on money in politics. There, you can find a wellspring of resources on elections, politicians, campaign raising and spending, lobbying, learning tools and analysis. OpenSecrets also regularly works with media outlets and journalists to provide exclusive data and analysis to power investigations alongside our own original reporting.

https://www.opensecrets.org/about

Wow, is this where I post a link to the Exxon website that explains how their primary goal is saving the environment?

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

too many to list, not enough room here to post them

Same old leftist dodge, too many to list, so I can't come up with one.

Does that still work on anyone?

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Wow, is this where I post a link to the Exxon website that explains how their primary goal is saving the environment?

No one is stopping you, it will only go down as more deflection from the subject your posting about.

46 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

And why do you suppose that 99% of voters have never heard of OpenSecrets, while 99% od voters have heard of AIPAC, event though OpenSecrets' influence dwarfs AIPAC?

And why do you think the Iran war is so unpopular?

Yet why were no significant number of university students harassing Muslims after 9/11 and/or 10/7. And if there had been, do you think the press/left be supporting them, or making excuses for them?

Yet you feign ignorance when you ask way Israel would disappear if the left flips the House and Senate.

If Open Secrets influence “dwarfs” AIPAC, where is this influence showing up? Certainly not in the Congress of the United States, which overwhelmingly supports Israel..

As for the unpopularity of the war either Iran? Simple. For the United States, it’s not an existential matter. Quite the contrary, with the costs far outweighing the benefits.

Excerpt From

Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on Israel's War Against the Palestinians

Noam Chomsky

“The pro-Israel lobby worked uninterrupted until 1963 when the famous senator, William Fulbright, became intrigued by its activities and demanded a congressional investigation of its financial sources. The three hundred pages produced by the investigating body revealed that, over four years, the lobby had raised $5 million, exempted from tax, from the Jewish community in the United States. This was done by the purchase of bonds clandestinely made over to the State of Israel. American law forbade lobbying for the interests of a foreign country. In order to overcome the legal prohibition, it was stated that the bonds were procured only for welfare purposes in Israel. However, the investigating committee found that none of the money was ever delivered to the deprived citizens of Israel. The money went to the Israeli state and, from there, immediately back to the United States—directly into AIPAC’s account. In Newsweek (August 12, 1963), it was written that the investigation exposed the AIPAC lobby as “one of the most effective networks of foreign influence.”

Fulbright became the pro-Israel lobby’s greatest enemy and had to be deposed by all means possible. The campaign against him became an AIPAC model. Everything was done to ensure that he would not be reelected. Anyone standing against him was financed and supported. From that time to this, the road to the Capitol has been scattered with candidates from the elite of American politics whose careers have been similarly torpedoed by AIPAC. In this manner, AIPAC impacted on Congress policy with such successful results that very few have since dared to follow in Fulbright’s footsteps.

In addition it's important to understand that Israel uses subterfuge and lies to sponsor over a hundred additional organizations that lobby congress and the Senate, without overt Israeli connections. Much of it is completely hidden and Incredibly devious and deceitful.

The thrust of US policy in the region derives almost entirely from domestic politics, and especially the activities of the ‘Israel Lobby’. Other special-interest groups have managed to skew foreign policy, but no lobby has managed to divert it as far from what the national interest would suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that US interests and those of the other country – in this case, Israel – are essentially identical.

Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing that given to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipient of direct economic and military assistance since 1976, and is the largest recipient in total since World War Two, to the tune of well over $140 billion (in 2004 dollars). Israel receives about $3 billion in direct assistance each year, roughly one-fifth of the foreign aid budget, and worth about $500 a year for every Israeli. This largesse is especially striking since Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to that of South Korea or Spain.

‘Terrorism’ is not a single adversary, but a tactic employed by a wide array of political groups. The terrorist organisations that threaten Israel do not threaten the United States, except when it intervenes against them (as in Lebanon in 1982). Moreover, Palestinian terrorism is not random violence directed against Israel or ‘the West’; it is largely a response to Israel’s prolonged campaign to colonise the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

More important, saying that Israel and the US are united by a shared terrorist threat has the causal relationship backwards: the US has a terrorism problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel, not the other way around. Support for Israel is not the only source of anti-American terrorism, but it is an important one, and it makes winning the war on terror more difficult. Unconditional support for Israel makes it easier for extremists to rally popular support and to attract recruits.

As for so-called rogue states in the Middle East, they are not a dire threat to vital US interests, except inasmuch as they are a threat to Israel. Even if these states acquire nuclear weapons – which is obviously undesirable – neither America nor Israel could be blackmailed, because the blackmailer could not carry out the threat without suffering overwhelming retaliation. The danger of a nuclear handover to terrorists is equally remote, because a rogue state could not be sure the transfer would go undetected or that it would not be blamed and punished afterwards. The relationship with Israel actually makes it harder for the US to deal with these states. Israel’s nuclear arsenal is one reason some of its neighbours want nuclear weapons, and threatening them with regime change merely increases that desire.

A final reason to question Israel’s strategic value is that it does not behave like a loyal ally. Israeli officials frequently ignore US requests and renege on promises (including pledges to stop building settlements and to refrain from ‘targeted assassinations’ of Palestinian leaders). Israel has provided sensitive military technology to potential rivals like China, in what the State Department inspector-general called ‘a systematic and growing pattern of unauthorised transfers’. According to the General Accounting Office, Israel also ‘conducts the most aggressive espionage operations against the US of any ally’. In addition to the case of Jonathan Pollard, who gave Israel large quantities of classified material in the early 1980s (which it reportedly passed on to the Soviet Union in return for more exit visas for Soviet Jews), a new controversy erupted in 2004 when it was revealed that a key Pentagon official called Larry Franklin had passed classified information to an Israeli diplomat. Israel is hardly the only country that spies on the US, but its willingness to spy on its principal patron casts further doubt on its strategic value.

The US must stop supporting Israel until they are able to figure out a way to say no to the extremists and the supporters of genocide.

https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

Never underestimate the power and the influence of the Israeli government and the extent that it is willing to influence American policy through great expense, and great effort using public relations, toxic lobbying, interest groups, super pacs, and other less obvious efforts to influence policy.

The Israel lobby in America is a faceted and multi-layered system of people, interest groups, lobbying committees, and grassroots movements that seek to influence American foreign policy to their benefit, namely Israel.

Although the most recognizable and most powerful participant in this network has always been the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the larger pro-Israel environment has various other actors with different roles, constituencies, and strategies. It is also a dynamic environment of 2025 because the changing opinion of the population, geopolitics, and legislative activity suggest the changes in the power relations within the lobby.

The other important formal actor is the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations which represents an amalgamation of goals of 51 major non-profit Jewish organizations. It acts as an important intervener between the Jewish community and the executive arm in promoting strong U.S.-Israel diplomacy.

Other powerful groups are the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the American Jewish Committee as well as the Zionist Organization of America. These organizations differ in approaches to media surveillance to policy investigation and legal activism but all have one thing in common; backing Israel in United States policymaking.

The lobbying power of the Israel side is also supported by the fact that there is a web of research institutions and think tanks that influence the discourse and policy debate of people. Some notable ones are the Washington Institute of Near East Policy (WINEP), the Jewish Institute of National security Affairs (JINSA) and the Saban center of Middle East policy at Brookings.

These think tanks generate policy briefings, forums and provide expert analysis in such a manner that has always been in line with pro-Israel views. According to some scholars, the groups have been able to amass intellectual power in the U.S. foreign policy establishment, which is usually used to crowd out any other opinions of the Middle Eastern conflicts.

The power of the lobby is not only seen in the congressional votes, the U.S. vetoes in the United Nations Security Council and it represents a unanimous effort to conform the American foreign policy to the preferences of the Israeli government.

The interplay between deeply held religious convictions, political pragmatism, electoral calculations, and global strategic interests makes the Israel lobby a unique and enduring subject of analysis for understanding contemporary U.S. foreign policy.

https://dctransparency.com/beyond-aipac-mapping-diverse-players-within-israel-lobby-and-their-impact-on-us-politics/

15 minutes ago, jas007 said:

If Open Secrets influence “dwarfs” AIPAC, where is this influence showing up? Certainly not in the Congress of the United States, which overwhelmingly supports Israel..

Sorry, their funding and contributions dwarf AIPAC's.

Where is the evidence that Congress, overwhelmingly supports Israel? You certainly can't tell by Democrats running in the mid-terms.

15 minutes ago, jas007 said:

As for the unpopularity of the war either Iran? Simple. For the United States, it’s not an existential matter. Quite the contrary, with the costs far outweighing the benefits.

You do not believe that the way it is presented in the press affects that perception?

Why do you suppose that 99% of voters have never heard of OpenSecrets, while 99% od voters have heard of AIPAC, even though OpenSecrets' funding and contributions dwarfs AIPAC's?

If the harassment of Jews is a result of Netanyahu's actions, why were there no significant number of university students harassing Muslims after 9/11 and/or 10/7. If there had been, do you think many in the press/left would be supporting them, or making excuses for them?

Do you disagree that Israel would lose the support of the US if the left flips the House and Senate in November?

10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Never underestimate the power and the influence of the Israeli government and the extent that it is willing to influence American policy through great expense, and great effort using public relations, toxic lobbying, interest groups, super pacs, and other less obvious efforts to influence policy.

The Israel lobby in America is a faceted and multi-layered system of people, interest groups, lobbying committees, and grassroots movements that seek to influence American foreign policy to their benefit, namely Israel.

Although the most recognizable and most powerful participant in this network has always been the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the larger pro-Israel environment has various other actors with different roles, constituencies, and strategies. It is also a dynamic environment of 2025 because the changing opinion of the population, geopolitics, and legislative activity suggest the changes in the power relations within the lobby.

The other important formal actor is the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations which represents an amalgamation of goals of 51 major non-profit Jewish organizations. It acts as an important intervener between the Jewish community and the executive arm in promoting strong U.S.-Israel diplomacy.

Other powerful groups are the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), the American Jewish Committee as well as the Zionist Organization of America. These organizations differ in approaches to media surveillance to policy investigation and legal activism but all have one thing in common; backing Israel in United States policymaking.

The lobbying power of the Israel side is also supported by the fact that there is a web of research institutions and think tanks that influence the discourse and policy debate of people. Some notable ones are the Washington Institute of Near East Policy (WINEP), the Jewish Institute of National security Affairs (JINSA) and the Saban center of Middle East policy at Brookings.

These think tanks generate policy briefings, forums and provide expert analysis in such a manner that has always been in line with pro-Israel views. According to some scholars, the groups have been able to amass intellectual power in the U.S. foreign policy establishment, which is usually used to crowd out any other opinions of the Middle Eastern conflicts.

The power of the lobby is not only seen in the congressional votes, the U.S. vetoes in the United Nations Security Council and it represents a unanimous effort to conform the American foreign policy to the preferences of the Israeli government.

The interplay between deeply held religious convictions, political pragmatism, electoral calculations, and global strategic interests makes the Israel lobby a unique and enduring subject of analysis for understanding contemporary U.S. foreign policy.

https://dctransparency.com/beyond-aipac-mapping-diverse-players-within-israel-lobby-and-their-impact-on-us-politics/

And the moment there is a school shooting, AIPAC will stop controlling Cangress, and it will be back to the NRA controlling Congress.

28 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Sorry, their funding and contributions dwarf AIPAC's.

Where is the evidence that Congress, overwhelmingly supports Israel? You certainly can't tell by Democrats running in the mid-terms.

You do not believe that the way it is presented in the press affects that perception?

Why do you suppose that 99% of voters have never heard of OpenSecrets, while 99% od voters have heard of AIPAC, even though OpenSecrets' funding and contributions dwarfs AIPAC's?

If the harassment of Jews is a result of Netanyahu's actions, why were there no significant number of university students harassing Muslims after 9/11 and/or 10/7. If there had been, do you think many in the press/left would be supporting them, or making excuses for them?

Do you disagree that Israel would lose the support of the US if the left flips the House and Senate in November?

The majority of Congress supports Israel. Party affiliation is, for the most part, irrelevant. And whatever funding Open Secrets receives, it certainly isn’t showing up as a political benefit in Congress.

As for Democrats and the midterms? Surely you must realize that they’ll use any weapon in their disposal to defeat the Republicans, including a feigned outrage over Israel’s actions. The public is outraged, and you can be sure they’ll use that to their advantage.

After the elections, it’ll be too late to change the outcome and it’ll be business as usual in Congress.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Sorry, their funding and contributions dwarf AIPAC's.

That's a claim you have made multiple times, however there has been dead silence when asked to substantiate that claim.