Barbarian + Music History

[CuriousGeorge77]

Hey - I'm doing some research for a class on Thai music. Does anyone have any insight as to where thai msuic comes from, what parts, etc?

I've read that the Muay thai music, for example, derives from Indonesian army music.

I am also particularly interested in the history of the gong.

Also, i ran across this on thai2english.com, and I was curious that มิลักขะ = Dravidian/Tamil. The Dravidians were Indianified Hmong, right?

I was also reading that shortly before Nakhon Sri Thammarat was incorporated into sukhothai, they actually invaded Sri Lanka, and would have won except for shifting allegiences on the battlefield made their end. This seems to be the only time any country from SE Asian attacked anyone not in SE Asia. (just thought that was interesting)

Thanks for any references/suggestions/tips/et al

มิลักขะ

mí-lák-kà <li> barbarian ; aborigine <li> Tamil ; Dravidian ; outcaste

[CuriousGeorge77]

geez - nobody?

[DavidHouston]

Try: http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B8%94%E0%...%B8%97%E0%B8%A2

[DavidHouston]

Hey - I'm doing some research for a class on Thai music. Does anyone have any insight as to where thai msuic comes from, what parts, etc?

I've read that the Muay thai music, for example, derives from Indonesian army music.

I am also particularly interested in the history of the gong.

Also, i ran across this on thai2english.com, and I was curious that มิลักขะ = Dravidian/Tamil. The Dravidians were Indianified Hmong, right?

I was also reading that shortly before Nakhon Sri Thammarat was incorporated into sukhothai, they actually invaded Sri Lanka, and would have won except for shifting allegiences on the battlefield made their end. This seems to be the only time any country from SE Asian attacked anyone not in SE Asia. (just thought that was interesting)

Thanks for any references/suggestions/tips/et al

มิลักขะ

mí-lák-kà <li> barbarian ; aborigine <li> Tamil ; Dravidian ; outcaste

Here is an article by Professor Nithi Eewsriwong from Midnight University. The Thai might be challenging but reading Professor Nithi is usually a rewarding experience. The url is http://www.midnightuniv.org/midnight2545/document9630.html and the title of the article is

"ผู้หญิง-ดนตรีลีลา-และภูมิปัญญาสถาบัน" by ศ.ดร. นิธิ เอียวศรีวงศ์

I wish you luck. Please let us know what you have found.

[CuriousGeorge77]

so it seems that there are 3 types of Thai classical music:

BpeePhat (a la HoomRoong, The Overtube, with the Ranat)

Kreung Saai (string bands)

Mahori - traditional court music.

does anyone know much about these styles? Especially Mahori - thanks

[CuriousGeorge77]

What does this mean?

1. วัฒนธรรม สาม วาสอง ศอก

What era is it referencing? thanks

[CuriousGeorge77]

And speaking of ... the Professor Nithi article is entirely incomprehensible to me, I'm afraid, even with the translator. Thanks anyway, though.

** OOPS - that should read "The Overture", not "The Overtube" (how the heck did I do that?)

[DavidHouston]

What does this mean?

1. วัฒนธรรม สาม วาสอง ศอก

What era is it referencing? thanks

See Rikker's reply at http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/lofiversion/...hp/t160148.html

[CuriousGeorge77]

Thanks. However, now I am completely turned around! Oh well.

[DavidHouston]

Hey - I'm doing some research for a class on Thai music. Does anyone have any insight as to where thai msuic comes from, what parts, etc?

I've read that the Muay thai music, for example, derives from Indonesian army music.

I am also particularly interested in the history of the gong.

Also, i ran across this on thai2english.com, and I was curious that มิลักขะ = Dravidian/Tamil. The Dravidians were Indianified Hmong, right?

I was also reading that shortly before Nakhon Sri Thammarat was incorporated into sukhothai, they actually invaded Sri Lanka, and would have won except for shifting allegiences on the battlefield made their end. This seems to be the only time any country from SE Asian attacked anyone not in SE Asia. (just thought that was interesting)

Thanks for any references/suggestions/tips/et al

มิลักขะ

mí-lák-kà <li> barbarian ; aborigine <li> Tamil ; Dravidian ; outcaste

Check out www.royin.go.th/en/printing/detail.php?ID=122 . This is " The Royal Institute Encyclopaedia of Thai Music : Vocal Music, Musical Instruments and Performance." or "สารานุกรมศัพท์ดนตรีไทย ภาคคีตะ-ดุริยางค์ ฉบับราชบัณฑิตย-สถาน"

Although the title is translated on the RI's website, there is no indication as to whether the book itself is translated into English in whole or in part.

Edited March 9, 2008 by DavidHouston

[DavidHouston]

Also, look at www.royin.go.th/en/printing/detail.php?ID=123, " The Royal Institute Encyclopaedia of Thai Music : History and Words of Suite Music."