Hydrogen Peroxide (h2o2)

[Dustoff]

Hydrogen Peroxide (Dioxide) 35% food-grade, not the 3% found in the average pharmacy or supermarket for topical applications.

35% food-grade is the only one fit for internal use as the others have other ingredients that are not recommended for ingestion.

Recommendations?

[mcgriffith]

Hydrogen Peroxide (Dioxide) 35% food-grade, not the 3% found in the average pharmacy or supermarket for topical applications.

35% food-grade is the only one fit for internal use as the others have other ingredients that are not recommended for ingestion.

Recommendations?

Hey Dustoff, PM p1p- he posted a year ago exactly where to get the high percentage stuff, but I forget the specifics.

[Naam]

35% food-grade is the only one fit for internal use

is this a joke? ingesting H²O² of 35% strength will burn your guts in minutes!

[FolkGuitar]

Hydrogen Peroxide (Dioxide) 35% food-grade, not the 3% found in the average pharmacy or supermarket for topical applications.

35% food-grade is the only one fit for internal use as the others have other ingredients that are not recommended for ingestion.

Recommendations?

Absolutely! I've mentioned this place several times for different goods; Chemical Supply house just south of the intersection of Neimanheiman Rd and Suthep Rd, on the south side of the street right next to a large pet food shop. They carry food grade items, lab grade, and hardware. Prices are right too!

[CobraSnakeNecktie]

Hydrogen Peroxide (Dioxide) 35% food-grade, not the 3% found in the average pharmacy or supermarket for topical applications.

35% food-grade is the only one fit for internal use as the others have other ingredients that are not recommended for ingestion.

Recommendations?

Absolutely! I've mentioned this place several times for different goods; Chemical Supply house just south of the intersection of Neimanheiman Rd and Suthep Rd, on the south side of the street right next to a large pet food shop. They carry food grade items, lab grade, and hardware. Prices are right too!

last time I checked that place does not carry food grade H202. I did see technical grade H202 which is the same as that sold in Pharmacies and not fit for consumption due to impurities.

As an alternative it also works to buy an ozone generator and ozonate water then drink the water and very similar to ingesting H202 diluted in water. Safer too because when handling 35% H202 then it can cause burns or be a danger for children etc.

Ozonated water can be used for many uses like cleaning vegetables, seed germination, water purification. All the same things as adding H202 to water.

Hope that helps

[awakened]

35% food-grade is the only one fit for internal use

is this a joke? ingesting H²O² of 35% strength will burn your guts in minutes!

Which is why users dilute it.

Hydrogen Peroxide (Dioxide) 35% food-grade, not the 3% found in the average pharmacy or supermarket for topical applications.

35% food-grade is the only one fit for internal use as the others have other ingredients that are not recommended for ingestion.

Recommendations?

You could order it from BKK and have them deliver. Search for 'Peroxythai'.

[Naam]

Which is why users dilute it

no hint about diluting (au contraire!) in:

"35% food-grade is the only one fit for internal use"

[Dustoff]

Thanks for the responses so far.

McG, I will check with p1p.

CSN, an oxone generator is not exactly what I am looking for since I would like to control percentages since there are many, many other uses for H2O2, but thanks anyway.

I would say thanks to you Naam but your response sounded more critical than advisory. If I know what it is, the chances are good that I know how to handle it. I didn't think it was necessary to mention that I am not stupid.

Edited July 18, 2008 by Dustoff

[Naam]

Thanks for the responses so far. I will check with p1p. An oxone generator is not exactly what I am looking for since I would like to control percentages, but thanks anyway.

I would say thanks to you Naam but your response sounded more critical than advisory. If I know what it is, the chances are good that I know how to handle it. I didn't think it was necessary to mention that I am not stupid.

i didn't mention anything about being stupid Dustoff. i was just shocked as i use H²O² besides Cl for pool desinfection and therefore know how corrosive it is. you have to admit that your initial posting was quite misleading for a layman like me.

PEACE!

[p1p]

Hydrogen Peroxide (Dioxide) 35% food-grade, not the 3% found in the average pharmacy or supermarket for topical applications.

35% food-grade is the only one fit for internal use as the others have other ingredients that are not recommended for ingestion.

Recommendations?

Hey Dustoff, PM p1p- he posted a year ago exactly where to get the high percentage stuff, but I forget the specifics.

There are a couple of places I get it. There is a chemical supply house, I think called Chiang Mai Chemical, (in Thai) about 150-200 meters West of the North West corner of the moat, inside the moat. The other place is opposite Wat Pra Singh about three doors south of Rachdamnoen Road.

You are likely to be asked some interesting questions when purchasing high strength peroxide because of its use as a precursor in explosive making.

Before you embark on ingesting Hydrogen Peroxide, you should note that many people regard that as of questionable health benefit, even dangerous. (Ozone generators are certainly dangerous as ozone is a proven carcinogen and recognised pollutant.)

I use a fair amount of high strength H₂O₂ on a daily basis to sterilise and freshen fruit and vegetables (diluted in the washing water) and undiluted to sterilise working areas and chopping boards etc. I use gloves when working with it and have never and would not ingest it. The benefits of using it in food preparation are well known. See articles in the "Journal of Food and Science".

You might be interested in "The Many Uses of Hydrogen Peroxide-Truth! Fiction! & Unproven!"

[Dustoff]

Thanks for the responses so far. I will check with p1p. An oxone generator is not exactly what I am looking for since I would like to control percentages, but thanks anyway.

I would say thanks to you Naam but your response sounded more critical than advisory. If I know what it is, the chances are good that I know how to handle it. I didn't think it was necessary to mention that I am not stupid.

i didn't mention anything about being stupid Dustoff. i was just shocked as i use H²O² besides Cl for pool desinfection and therefore know how corrosive it is. you have to admit that your initial posting was quite misleading for a layman like me.

PEACE!

Peace indeed, Naam. I rarely take offense or go on the defensive. Wuz just pokin' at your ribs.

You are right, even a sip of the stuff would be calamitous and perhaps even deadly. Having been into photography, I have handled stuff like pure acetic acid which is also nasty stuff but diluted is little more than plain vinegar. Oh, and we have no children in the house...

Regards...

Edited July 18, 2008 by Dustoff

[Dustoff]

Hydrogen Peroxide (Dioxide) 35% food-grade, not the 3% found in the average pharmacy or supermarket for topical applications.

35% food-grade is the only one fit for internal use as the others have other ingredients that are not recommended for ingestion.

Recommendations?

Hey Dustoff, PM p1p- he posted a year ago exactly where to get the high percentage stuff, but I forget the specifics.

There are a couple of places I get it. There is a chemical supply house, I think called Chiang Mai Chemical, (in Thai) about 150-200 meters West of the North West corner of the moat, inside the moat. The other place is opposite Wat Pra Singh about three doors south of Rachdamnoen Road.

You are likely to be asked some interesting questions when purchasing high strength peroxide because of its use as a precursor in explosive making.

Before you embark on ingesting Hydrogen Peroxide, you should note that many people regard that as of questionable health benefit, even dangerous. (Ozone generators are certainly dangerous as ozone is a proven carcinogen and recognised pollutant.)

I use a fair amount of high strength H₂O₂ on a daily basis to sterilise and freshen fruit and vegetables (diluted in the washing water) and undiluted to sterilise working areas and chopping boards etc. I use gloves when working with it and have never and would not ingest it. The benefits of using it in food preparation are well known. See articles in the "Journal of Food and Science".

You might be interested in "The Many Uses of Hydrogen Peroxide-Truth! Fiction! & Unproven!"

Thanks p1p. I am about halfway through your linked article and already seriously doubt their credibility.

It is all about dilution and they don't even mention that so far. H2O2 is a natural component in rainwater and even the cells in our body produce it as part of our immune system to control bacteria and viruses. This site says it does not kill bacteria then immediately says the vagina produces it to control bacteria. Say what? Side note - plastic cutting boards are more dangerous than wood - trees produce bacteria resistant chemicals which are still present in cutting boards, making that story an 'old wives tale'. H2O2 only harms cells with repeated use; flushing a wound with it will kill the bacteria but one should not keep using it over and over during the healing process. As an ear cleaner it is great but too frequent use will harden the drums a bit.

Ozone is a different animal altogether but is what creates H2O2 out of rainwater by giving H2O that extra molecule of oxygen. Plants couldn't live without it which is part of the problem of us damaging the ozone layer.

Anyway, by ingesting I am talking seriously diluted and even then only a few drops a day in fruit juice or some such, not glugging the stuff down like beer Chang.

Thanks so much for the locations but if I go West from inside the NW corner of the moat, won't I fall into the moat?

Ken

Edited July 18, 2008 by Dustoff

[Rasseru]

Great thread!

This site says it does not kill bacteria then immediately says the vagina produces it to control bacteria. Say what?

Dude, keep in mind that killing things is not the only way of controlling them. Shoot, I too have been controlled from time to time by vaginas, but none of them have killed me (can I have a 'yet'?).

[Dustoff]

Great thread!

This site says it does not kill bacteria then immediately says the vagina produces it to control bacteria. Say what?

Dude, keep in mind that killing things is not the only way of controlling them. Shoot, I too have been controlled from time to time by vaginas, but none of them have killed me (can I have a 'yet'?).

Bad Dog! But boy, can I relate..

[Naam]

Dude, keep in mind that killing things is not the only way of controlling them. Shoot, I too have been controlled from time to time by vaginas, but none of them have killed me (can I have a 'yet'?).

"yet" approved

[bunta71]

Someday we will look back on this,laugh nervously, then change the subject

[p1p]

Thanks so much for the locations but if I go West from inside the NW corner of the moat, won't I fall into the moat?

Ken

Apple-orgies - that should have read N/E corner of the moat.

[p1p]

Thanks p1p. I am about halfway through your linked article and already seriously doubt their credibility.

It is all about dilution and they don't even mention that so far. H2O2 is a natural component in rainwater and even the cells in our body produce it as part of our immune system to control bacteria and viruses. This site says it does not kill bacteria then immediately says the vagina produces it to control bacteria. Say what? Side note - plastic cutting boards are more dangerous than wood - trees produce bacteria resistant chemicals which are still present in cutting boards, making that story an 'old wives tale'. H2O2 only harms cells with repeated use; flushing a wound with it will kill the bacteria but one should not keep using it over and over during the healing process. As an ear cleaner it is great but too frequent use will harden the drums a bit.

I think you will find, (if you read the article carefully,) that they are quoting The National Safety Council's First Aid Pocket Guide (1996) and the Mayo Clinic when they say that H₂O₂ "does not kill bacteria, and it adversely affects capillary blood flow and wound healing." This is in the specific case of use as a first aid treatment on wounds. They also state in other areas that it is used as a bactericide and surface sterilizer. I was certainly taught not to use H₂O₂ as a wound treatment, but to flush with saline. H₂O₂ is considered too harsh but very useful with vegetables and as a surface cleaner.

I would not ingest it because I sincerely believe it causes harm, even in minimal amounts. There is a huge market in antioxidants and major push by the medical community for people to eat more fresh fruit and vegetables, including drinking juices, because of their anti oxidant properties. These substances neutralise Oxygen free radicals in the system and help to protect against many forms of cancers and autoimmune diseases. It seems strange to add a substance high in O⁽⁰⁾ free radical to a fruit juice, an agent that doctors recommend to be taken to neutralise it in the body.

[awakened]

As an alternative it also works to buy an ozone generator and ozonate water then drink the water and very similar to ingesting H202 diluted in water.

Just be careful when you buy an Ozone generator that the hose is ozone resistant, made from teflon or silicone.

I bought a generator 'Made in Thailand' and didn't realise I had been drinking dissolved pvc. Manufacturer should be shot.

[CobraSnakeNecktie]

As an alternative it also works to buy an ozone generator and ozonate water then drink the water and very similar to ingesting H202 diluted in water.

Just be careful when you buy an Ozone generator that the hose is ozone resistant, made from teflon or silicone.

I bought a generator 'Made in Thailand' and didn't realise I had been drinking dissolved pvc. Manufacturer should be shot.

what generator MFG did you purchase?

[Dustoff]

I think you will find, (if you read the article carefully,) that they are quoting The National Safety Council's First Aid Pocket Guide (1996) and the Mayo Clinic when they say that H₂O₂ "does not kill bacteria, and it adversely affects capillary blood flow and wound healing." This is in the specific case of use as a first aid treatment on wounds. They also state in other areas that it is used as a bactericide and surface sterilizer. I was certainly taught not to use H₂O₂ as a wound treatment, but to flush with saline. H₂O₂ is considered too harsh but very useful with vegetables and as a surface cleaner.

I would not ingest it because I sincerely believe it causes harm, even in minimal amounts. There is a huge market in antioxidants and major push by the medical community for people to eat more fresh fruit and vegetables, including drinking juices, because of their anti oxidant properties. These substances neutralise Oxygen free radicals in the system and help to protect against many forms of cancers and autoimmune diseases. It seems strange to add a substance high in O⁽⁰⁾ free radical to a fruit juice, an agent that doctors recommend to be taken to neutralise it in the body.

I am doing some serious researching (layman level) on this and most of the cons seem to have the same conflicting does/doesn't as you just posted - or most of them end with something to sell. Health Canada issued a warning about the dangers in reaction to American websites promoting its use then at the bottom stated that they have never had a reported case of anyone harmed. Then there is the controversy about antioxidants which can be easily overdone because they neutralize the oxygen radicals that your body produces to fight bacterial and virus infestations. So far I can find nothing concrete about the horrors of injesting small amounts of H2O2 and most of the pro side comes from Doctors or Health advisory specialists who have nothing to sell.

http://www.the-natural-path.com/hydrogen-p...de-therapy.html

While not exactly Thailand or CM specific, I like the way this thread has progressed - education is always a good thing but other than stories of people ingesting toxic levels of H2O2, I have found nothing rational about harmful effects of ingesting small amounts.

There are always, of course, those who think more is better such as the craze about Vitamin C when people were chomping down 1000mg and more a day in spite of the fact that the average human body can only absorb about 94mg/day. This only makes for expensive urine but try that with Vitamins like A or D and you are in for toxic vitamin poisoning.

Smoking, alcohol and pollution (CM) reduce the amount of oxygen in our blood and in heavily polluted cities (CM) the oxygen level in the air can be reduced from the normal 20% to 10% which can certainly have an effect of our energy level not to mention degrade our immune system.

And, if hydrogen peroxide is harmful even in small amounts, does that mean that drinking rainwater is ill-advised? It seems unlikely if only from a logical standpoint.

Still looking...

Edited July 18, 2008 by Dustoff

[mcgriffith]

I use H202 to cauterize bleeding wounds only. Helps drying, then providone iodine to inhibit bacterial growth.

Don't know about ingesting; will read up on this.

Interesting.

Are you sure you're not planning a rocket ship to Mars, Dustoff?

BTW in the US you can't even buy this stuff, as it is considered "weapons grade".

[Rasseru]

BTW in the US you can't even buy this stuff, as it is considered "weapons grade".

Kind of like Lucifer banning phosphorous, eh?

[mcgriffith]

Yup

[Dustoff]

BTW in the US you can't even buy this stuff, as it is considered "weapons grade".

Kind of like Lucifer banning phosphorous, eh?

Now THAT is funny!

By McG:

Are you sure you're not planning a rocket ship to Mars, Dustoff?

Nah. Dusted myself off and moved here from there..

Hard to imagine H2O2 being banned - doesn't it have applications in agriculture?

[CobraSnakeNecktie]

I use H202 to cauterize bleeding wounds only. Helps drying, then providone iodine to inhibit bacterial growth.

Don't know about ingesting; will read up on this.

Interesting.

Are you sure you're not planning a rocket ship to Mars, Dustoff?

BTW in the US you can't even buy this stuff, as it is considered "weapons grade".

You can get food grade no problem in the states and is used in many restaurants.

GRADES OF HYDROGEN PEROXIDE

3% Hydrogen Peroxide (Drug/Grocery Store Variety)

Made from 50% Super D Peroxide, Diluted. Contains stabilizers - phenol, acetanilide, sodium stanate, tetrasodium phosphate among them.

6% Hydrogen Peroxide (Used by Beauticians for Coloring Hair)

Comes in strengths labeled 10,20,40 volume. Must have activator added to be used as a bleach. Stabilizers used unknown at this point.

30% Re-Agent Hydrogen Peroxide

Used in medical research. Also contains stabilizers.

30-32% Electronic Grade Hydrogen Peroxide

Used for washing transistors and integrated chip parts before assembly. Stabilizers unknown at this point.

35% Technical Grade Hydrogen Peroxide

Contains a small amount of phosphorus to neutralize any chlorine in the water it is combined with.

35% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide

(Also 50% Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide)

Used in food products like cheese, eggs, whey products.

Also used to spray inside of foil lined containers for food storage - known as the aseptic packaging system.

90% Hydrogen Peroxide

Used by the military as a source of Oxygen at Cape Canaveral. Used as a propulsion source in rocket fuel.

99.6% Hydrogen Peroxide

This was first made in 1954 as an experiment to see how pure hydrogen peroxide could be.

[awakened]

As an alternative it also works to buy an ozone generator and ozonate water then drink the water and very similar to ingesting H202 diluted in water.

Just be careful when you buy an Ozone generator that the hose is ozone resistant, made from teflon or silicone.

I bought a generator 'Made in Thailand' and didn't realise I had been drinking dissolved pvc. Manufacturer should be shot.

what generator MFG did you purchase?

OZZON

[CobraSnakeNecktie]

As an alternative it also works to buy an ozone generator and ozonate water then drink the water and very similar to ingesting H202 diluted in water.

Just be careful when you buy an Ozone generator that the hose is ozone resistant, made from teflon or silicone.

I bought a generator 'Made in Thailand' and didn't realise I had been drinking dissolved pvc. Manufacturer should be shot.

what generator MFG did you purchase?

OZZON

Yeah I know those... Corona discharge. Not a bad unit for the price. Gas Plasma is better. So your saying the flexible hose it comes with is PVC or has PVC? PVC is less common for flexible applications. Or are you saying there is a fitting inside made of PVC?

How did you determine your getting PVC in your water etc? The reason I ask is that a lot of the corona discharge machines are made similar.

Edited July 19, 2008 by CobraSnakeNecktie

[rken]

there is a chemical supply by Wat jetyaw.. on the ring road over on west side. Name is NCG tel 053 223866

Have fun. Rick aloha

[sceadugenga]

I use H202 to cauterize bleeding wounds only. Helps drying, then providone iodine to inhibit bacterial growth.

Don't know about ingesting; will read up on this.

Interesting.

Are you sure you're not planning a rocket ship to Mars, Dustoff?

BTW in the US you can't even buy this stuff, as it is considered "weapons grade".

All peroxides, chlorates, perchlorates, hyperchlorates etc are strong oxidising agents that can be used to make explosives when mixed with organic substances.

When I was a particularly lunatic teenager I used to make my own "fireworks" out of sodium chlorate, a weed killer, and sugar.

I still wake up in a cold sweat some nights and check to see if my hands are still there.

The "Heathrow bombers" were planning on mixing various liquids, which I assume included H2O2, to blow up planes but an experienced industrial chemist told me that this would have been highly unlikely.

I suppose the thought was there though.