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[Grant]

is it not possible to get a turbo for it, or do i need new pistons etc for that?

There is no turbo-kit for this engine. The only solution is supercharger.

But the ECU tuning is always headache and nobody can do it here.

I believe that turbo can be installed but it's just a toy without pistons, camshafts etc changing.

And you'll still have auto gearbox anyway.

My opinion: just replace air-filter (by K&N), exhaust system (by HKS), spark plug(irridium by HKS) and your engine will work smoother. I can suggest some shop for that.

Some power can be added with cat-back removing.

Edited May 6, 2009 by Grant

[PattayaTerrier]

Hi Phil,

I have a Toyota Vigo 4x4 3.0L D4D it all stock at the moment, it is about 4 years old, to be honest the breaks are crap, I am thinking of turning it in for a new model, I hear they have improved the breaks.

Another option is to put better breaks and maybe tune it up a bit, what can be done with the stock engine?

Or could I just stick a 3JZ in it and modify the shock and suspension?

What kind of cost would that be?

BTW I am still waiting for the guy from Westfield to call me about a test drive I hate it when I get crappy customer service like that make me not want to do business with them.

[philipm]

hey pattaya terrier,

toyota vigo 3L 2005 model?

mate we modify truck to aspect that people never think possible.

the std engine can handle 3.5bar boost,

and depending on the mods u take, you can build the std 163hp to a whopping 300-350HP and way over 600NM of torque!!!!

thing is, to build it up, brakes, suspensions and engine etc to get it up to perfect spec will cost alot more than throwing a normal 2jz.

but then again a 2jz makes about 300hp and alot less torque then the desiel.

then again there are places which can fit a worked 2jz or 3jz. but you will have to invest in a piggyback, standalone unit.

these can cost all the way up to 80-100K. depending on your choice and what you want. motec m800, m600 etc.

as for brakes, yea mate we completely change the rear drumb brake to a big rotor, two single piston brake calipers on each side.

and the front brakes, everything from calipers to rotor upgrades are availble. from 300mm-380mm and 2-8piston calipers.

as for the civic gents,

there are many turbos, but they are all custom done.

there is no set kit. but there are a range of very good tuners who can tune it to very high cabilities if you get the supporting mods done.

there is also places to do the installtion etc, that isnt the problem.

problem is choosing the right turbo for you, and knowing what you want so you can tell them specifically, rather on just relaying on there opinions,

which due to the lack of turbo civics around, they wouldnt know exactly what size intercooler, pipes etc to be done and the supporting fuel mods.

[PattayaTerrier]

If we can get 300-350hp out of the stock engine I dont really see the point in swapping.

How much would it cost to increase the power and change the brakes and shocks and what ever else would you recommend?

[philipm]

i will send u a pm

[gobs]

Hi Philip, hi friends,

Following this thread from some weeks/months ago, I'm amazed by your knowledges, skills and results, Philip. Though I'm not a "muscle cars" addict, but a mechanic lover both on cars and bikes, what a great work you do especially on trucks here!..

And thanks to share with us.

So, I own a Toyota Tiger 6 y.o. with the 2KDF engine (2.5 l commonrail turbo 4 v/cyl). As I'm a cool driver its 102 HP go well for me, apart for some dirt tracks/lanes here in the north during the rainy season.

I would like to get some 20 to 30% more power and torque on my truck. But something reliable, trusty and not having some lights coming from time to time on the dashboard... Well, no worry and no hassle in the next driving years...

So for this "soft" tunning what can I do? As I don't want to go through swaping the turbo or adding an intercooler and so on, just changing the ECU by a performance one is it possible? What brand, cost?

And how it can be done here in Chiang Mai?

Thanks in advance,

Gobs

PS: it would be great if some TV customers/members of yours, here, could give short reports after achieving their mods and having some test drives...

[philipm]

hey gobs, thanks mate for the compliment.

for your tiger, yea it has a 2kd, the first generation commonrail diesel for the toyotas here in thailand.

what we have for the tiger is a (piggyback/ecuflash),

this will give you the 30% you are looking for,

and without any engine check light garrentted.

the price is B35K.

do you ever come down to bangkok? as this only takes an hour to do.

[kubota]

hey pattaya terrier,

toyota vigo 3L 2005 model?

mate we modify truck to aspect that people never think possible.

the std engine can handle 3.5bar boost,

and depending on the mods u take, you can build the std 163hp to a whopping 300-350HP and way over 600NM of torque!!!!

thing is, to build it up, brakes, suspensions and engine etc to get it up to perfect spec will cost alot more than throwing a normal 2jz.

but then again a 2jz makes about 300hp and alot less torque then the desiel.

then again there are places which can fit a worked 2jz or 3jz. but you will have to invest in a piggyback, standalone unit.

these can cost all the way up to 80-100K. depending on your choice and what you want. motec m800, m600 etc.

as for brakes, yea mate we completely change the rear drumb brake to a big rotor, two single piston brake calipers on each side.

and the front brakes, everything from calipers to rotor upgrades are availble. from 300mm-380mm and 2-8piston calipers.

as for the civic gents,

there are many turbos, but they are all custom done.

there is no set kit. but there are a range of very good tuners who can tune it to very high cabilities if you get the supporting mods done.

there is also places to do the installtion etc, that isnt the problem.

problem is choosing the right turbo for you, and knowing what you want so you can tell them specifically, rather on just relaying on there opinions,

which due to the lack of turbo civics around, they wouldnt know exactly what size intercooler, pipes etc to be done and the supporting fuel mods.

I did find find several turbo-kits for the K20Z2 engine, do you know a garage i can use to fit this?

Thanks

[gobs]

Thanks for the help and the quick reply, Philip,

As I understand I've to plan a trip to BKK. Mmmmmmh...

Cheers,

Gobs

[philipm]

cheers gobs,

are you looking to do some piggyback/ecu mods?

kubuto,

if you have a turbo kit, and u want to get it installed, i have several places.

turbo dynamics in ladpro fit all sorts of turbos in different cars etc.

which kit do you have? is it a complete kit? or do you still need the headers, downpipe and what not?

[culicine]

cheers gobs,

are you looking to do some piggyback/ecu mods?

kubuto,

if you have a turbo kit, and u want to get it installed, i have several places.

turbo dynamics in ladpro fit all sorts of turbos in different cars etc.

which kit do you have? is it a complete kit? or do you still need the headers, downpipe and what not?

I've seen places in the US advertising turbo kits for the fd civic. Never seen them advertised in Thailand though. Places can build a turbo for about 70-100K for the FD. You really want a place who has actually fitted turbos to the specific model you have - then at least they have some experience with it. You can check out the website at www.cm-motorsports.com. They also seem to do a lot of type r transplants. If you could get someone to fit it here the best option would be a Jackson Racing supercharger, which you can get from Singapore. http://www.mkracing.com.sg/. Either way you go you have to run lowish boost - 5-7 psi perhaps, on stock internals. Should be good for over 200HP though.

[kubota]

cheers gobs,

are you looking to do some piggyback/ecu mods?

kubuto,

if you have a turbo kit, and u want to get it installed, i have several places.

turbo dynamics in ladpro fit all sorts of turbos in different cars etc.

which kit do you have? is it a complete kit? or do you still need the headers, downpipe and what not?

I did a search on internet. www.Turbo-kits.com have a Greddy kit for 4000 usd 55hp [email protected] (safe for stock engine)

Not sure if this one will fit, have to ask supplier first:

http://www.treadstoneperformance.com/produ...eries+Turbo+Kit

Ebay: says it will fit K20Z2 which i have, but the price is disturbingly low...?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/485hp-Turbo...sQ5fAccessories

Any comments folks?

[philipm]

mate what turbo are you looking for?

as i have a orginial trust greddy td06-20g rated good for 450hp, 675cfm. (though for your na, you shouldnt use more than 7psi, unless you start to change the gaskets etc etc to decrease the comprassion ratio)

i am selling my turbo for 35k baht.

beside that,

you are going to need,

new turbo headers,

intercooler pipes,

intercooler,

custom intake,

turbo down pipe,

exhaust,

turbo oil feed line,

increase to 440cc injector size

fuel regulator,

external wastegate

silicone hose and clamps

and engine management!!!!!! ----do you have one right now? you need to add fuel

if you want to do this, i can contact my garages to check for you the price etc.

plus if you dont want a greedy turbo, what turbo will you be looking for?

how much hp do you want?

[culicine]

Phil, do your garages have much experience fitting turbos to the k20 engines? I've only ever seen one on my model (the k20A3). It doesn't seem a common modification. Also would you need a custom front bumper due to the intercooler?

thanks..

[philipm]

a turbo kit installation is very simple job. i could do it myself.

the point you are asking, is would they make a good kit.

yes they can, because i will be telling them what specs need to be made.

beside that,

if you know what you need to do, then its just fitting the kit on.

for the front bumper, know you dont need a custom bumper. we will just need to cut into the bumper.

like truck has std front bumper with custom cut, take a look.

performance truck this month mag

[Grant]

Hi Philip,

a turbo kit installation is very simple job

Yes, but the problem is tuning of Honda ECU - not that easy and here is no specialist for that.

I take my ECU to Malaysia to remove speed limiter - simple operation but nobody in Bangkok can do it

For K20Z2 I'd go to install supercharger in Singapoore

___

BTW my last graph from dyno:

Edited May 17, 2009 by Grant

[philipm]

haaaa? why would you assume no one can tune it here????

thailand has 2-3 most capable tuners in asia.

have you ever heard of

DON MOTEC? he is by far the most experinced tuner around, and he has so many crazy projects all to his name. i am not talking about only drag, drift, but for thailand supercar etc.

beside Don,

my good friend P Man, everyone knows him to,

he is a very good tuner and know exactly what he is talking about.

he has tuned easily over 1000 cars for all sort of applications.

he also is a specailist tuner for motec and fcon and many others....

he could easily tune a turbo k20a or turbo b16 b18 b20.

dyno serive is right there, so he tunes on the dyno.

and he knows all right process, air fuel ratio, spark plugs etc etc etc....

i can easily get your k20a built with a turbokit and get engine management (if you have the cash go for a motec m400, and then get Pman to tune it).

though my contacts i am sure you can save alot. and be very happy with the results. btw the motec m400 is the top rated ecu you can get. they are pricy though, between 40-65k. i have to ask if you are intrested.

[philipm]

btw grant,

nice power.

though whats with your torque curve..... ?

[Grant]

why would you assume no one can tune it here????

I mean nobody can work with 2007 K20A ECU because is completely new model

I'm not interesting about MOTEC but want to go ahead with new model of Hondata FlashPro

Do you know any specialist?

[Grant]

though whats with your torque curve..... ?

VTEC on 5,800 rpm

[philipm]

hey grant,

the motec is a standalone unit, its the top rated in the market for ecu's.

is more advance then haltec and hks fcon, apexi and hondata.

hondata is good for keeping it NA.

My mate has a b16a/b20 running NA with ecu mods,

P man tuned it, he is pushing 218whp.

either way i will ask my tuner about the hondata for you.

about your torque curve, yea i know about the vtec, i am talking about from 1-5500rpm,

you make torque in the first 3000rpm then it heavily drops then it goes up again when vtec kicks in.

[philipm]

gents if anyone is intrested and want to modify their car or truck,

you can contact me on,

[email protected]

or

086-086-3221.

Edited May 18, 2009 by philipm

[philipm]

Hey gents i wanted to keep you guys updated.

My Triton, will be done on Monday.

we swapped out the std automatic triton 3.2 (4m41) tranmission,

and we fitted a Big Box Pajero 5 speed manual,

fitted with a Nismo (r34 skyline indented type clutch).

I will let you gents know how it runs

[Grant]

we swapped out the std automatic triton 3.2 (4m41) tranmission,

and we fitted a Big Box Pajero 5 speed manual,

fitted with a Nismo (r34 skyline indented type clutch).

Great job!

I'd like to see it

[katabeachbum]

gents if anyone is intrested and want to modify their car or truck,

you can contact me on,

[email protected]

or

086-086-3221.

Hi Philip

It looks like I v got myself a 8 months old 2008 Fortuner 3,0D4d auto 4x4 with 15k km on it. Im considering to get better brakes, shocks, 25-50 mm shorter springs (but still comfy!!), and perhaps stabilizer bars could work. It will never go offroad, so 18-22 inch wheels. T tyres would do, since it would never excide 180 kmh.

I want to keep the linear torque and flexibility of the engine/auto, so I was thinking only chips-box engine to 204hp/405 Nm @ 1400-3400 rpm. Or any other suggestion?

Since I know more people would be interested in same stuff, lets keep it in TV until we reach the point of a quote. ok mod?

What do you think?

[philipm]

hey katabeachbum,

nice a 08 fortuner 1kd 4x4. and it has 15,000km on it, great enough to break down the crudness of the new engine.

now if i am correct you want to do the following,

change your shocks,

change your springs,

fit 18-22" rims,

under body sway bar

this is all to drop your ride height, increase the stiffness of the shocks for better handling and reduced body roll, and ofcourse a much more aggressive road stance.

mind you mate, there is a compramise point, where stifness for road handling ability and stability effects the comfort of the ride.

so our shocks are custom tuned, with soft, medium, stiff and race setting. so depending on your feeling and wants we custom adjust it accordingly.

either way you have to think about at which point is the stiffness is not comfortable for you.

For the power department,

204hp and 405nm of torque is really not that much to ask for.

with our DMS piggyback followed by our DMS boost cut module,

you are good for 210hp and 450nm of torque

and if u have a bit more budget,

we can fit the new DMS FIC fuel injection controller,

at the same time we modify the commonrail pressure relieve valve.

(the DMS piggyback, DMS boostcut and DMS FIC is good for a dyno proven 235hp and 500nm of torque)

this is all ofcourse all electronic modules, and no mechanical parts are added.

all products come with a 2yr warrenty and my free tuning service.

[philipm]

beside that my truck is done,

the 4wd mode's (4- 2H, 4H, 4L3, 4HL) wiring isnt done yet.

everything is running,

and all i can say is i am loving it!

the nismo clutch is very aggresive, nice and stiff,

the gearbox feels like a tank haha

in the best way possible.

anyways i am driving the triton now, and will just wait next week to get the 4wd wired.

gotta drive carfully in the rain haha...

[katabeachbum]

hey katabeachbum,

nice a 08 fortuner 1kd 4x4. and it has 15,000km on it, great enough to break down the crudness of the new engine.

now if i am correct you want to do the following,

change your shocks,

change your springs,

fit 18-22" rims,

under body sway bar

this is all to drop your ride height, increase the stiffness of the shocks for better handling and reduced body roll, and ofcourse a much more aggressive road stance.

mind you mate, there is a compramise point, where stifness for road handling ability and stability effects the comfort of the ride.

so our shocks are custom tuned, with soft, medium, stiff and race setting. so depending on your feeling and wants we custom adjust it accordingly.

either way you have to think about at which point is the stiffness is not comfortable for you.

For the power department,

204hp and 405nm of torque is really not that much to ask for.

with our DMS piggyback followed by our DMS boost cut module,

you are good for 210hp and 450nm of torque

and if u have a bit more budget,

we can fit the new DMS FIC fuel injection controller,

at the same time we modify the commonrail pressure relieve valve.

(the DMS piggyback, DMS boostcut and DMS FIC is good for a dyno proven 235hp and 500nm of torque)

this is all ofcourse all electronic modules, and no mechanical parts are added.

all products come with a 2yr warrenty and my free tuning service.

Hi Phil

Yepp, youv got it

And brakes, large vented discs front and rear. Its a 2.700 kg vehicle to cruise 160 kmh, sometimes with a 2000 kg trailer at 120kmh. I want to start with the brakes and then choose rims large enough.

Very interested read about your engine electronics 235hp/500Nm. What does the tourque line look like? What rpm for maxhp?

[philipm]

hey mate the tuning is done customized, so we can tune it to desired sweet spots,

generally though most that torque will be very high in the midrange rpms, (2000-3200rpm)

maximum horsepower depending on the tune, will generally occure between 3500-4000rpm.

either way my advice is do the rims first, otherwise you cant drive back your fortuner after doing the brake, as your std rims cant fit big size brakes.

For the brakes, we do the rear 330-350mm disk brake converison, which include a slotted sold rotor, twin single piston calipers, cermaic brake pads and all nessary part for fitting. -this kit is the offical kit that allows you to use the hand brake with no problems, and you can expect 30-35% better braking with the rear converison kit.

for the front, depending on your budget we can either go from size 320-380mm vented, slotted and crossdrilled, or vented slotted, or vented cross drilled. my recommendation is go for the vented and slotted.

after that the brake caliper, a high performance brembo 4pot? or a custom aliminium forged caste 4-6pot calipers with bigbore, big pistons. they proivde hugeeeeeeeeeeee stoping power, but need to be run with 380mm rotors, which in all needs 20" rims.

anyways you can also pm me.

Edited June 9, 2009 by philipm

[culicine]

Phil, does the extra stopping power cause problems with the abs activating too much? You must need much better and stickier tyres I imagine, otherwise the abs would activate under hard braking, as the tyres are losing traction. Have you had a problem with this in your own ride? Even in my own civis the abs activates occasionally in dry weather, and thats with the standard brakes.