Crossy Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) Our current house design has a 1.5m square light well in the middle of the upstairs floor (open to the sky) to illuminate the area under the house. I was thinking that if I close this off with glass blocks I'll gain space upstairs (lose the guard rail) without losing much light. My idea is to support regular 6" glass blocks in a welded steel frame (1" angle) which is bolted into the sides of the hole. Gaps waterproofed with clear silicon. Obviously it needs to be load supporting so I don't go downstairs without using the stairs Anybody tried this? Edited April 17, 2009 by Crossy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTH Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Can't recall having seen glass blocks as a floor anywhere, however I've seen laminated glass used as flooring. Not sure how cost effective it would be, as the glass blocks are quite cheap. But the laminated glass would take away less of the light. Maybe not the answer you were looking for but possibly something to consider. I did a quick search internet search, and came up with this, kind of looks like what you're proposing, just bigger tiles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Our current house design has a 1.5m square light well in the middle of the upstairs floor (open to the sky) to illuminate the area under the house.I was thinking that if I close this off with glass blocks I'll gain space upstairs (lose the guard rail) without losing much light. My idea is to support regular 6" glass blocks in a welded steel frame (1" angle) which is bolted into the sides of the hole. Gaps waterproofed with clear silicon. Obviously it needs to be load supporting so I don't go downstairs without using the stairs Anybody tried this? I would have thought the well is not just to get light into the lower levels, but to ventilate hot air out as well. Closing it with glass blocks will also affect good ventilation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teacup Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 (edited) Crossy Most glass blocks are designed for the wall, however you might be able to find diff glass thickness that might be able to use for the floor - in Thailand-, if you can’t find the ones specifically for the floor. The key here:..as long as they can withstand the load bearing of “at least” 40 lbs per square foot… and have some sort of non-slip or sandblasted surface, it should be ok. Reminder: the bigger the panel, the thicker the steel frame and the bigger/higher strength screws attaching the frame to the parameter side wall. TC edit: when choosing the screws: make sure to add the "weight" of the panel (glass+steel frame) also... this way you will not be getting the "under-strength" screws. Edited April 17, 2009 by teacup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) Thanks chaps, good thoughts I don't think ventilation will be an issue, the lower (14m x 12m) space is open on 3 sides so a through flow of air is assured. I was toying with the idea of casting the support frame into the floor slab via the cast-in-place frame around the opening. If I can find some solid glass blocks rather than the hollow ones used for walls they may be stronger (and transmit more light) whilst being thinner overall. It's all well in the future anyway, I'll have a word with Khun Architect and see what he thinks. Edited April 18, 2009 by Crossy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjo o tjim Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Usually I see a 4x2" L's back-to-back, which should span about 4' or so. If you can buy a T section, it is much stronger. Given the Thai construction factor, I would probably put an I-Beam on a 2' grid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Is this intended glass block slab internal or external? Meaning, is it exposeded to rain or water? If it has to be watertight, your structural support has to be designed not so much for loadbearing, but rather for min. deflection over a 1.5m span. I estimate you will need min. 50x150mm rectangular steel sections welded into a grid that fits each glass block nicely with not more than 5mm gaps all round the blocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) Is this intended glass block slab internal or external? Meaning, is it exposeded to rain or water?If it has to be watertight, your structural support has to be designed not so much for loadbearing, but rather for min. deflection over a 1.5m span. I estimate you will need min. 50x150mm rectangular steel sections welded into a grid that fits each glass block nicely with not more than 5mm gaps all round the blocks. It's external (outdoor floor) although it needs to be water resistant as opposed to water tight, it's not a room underneath. 50x150 (2" x 6") box seems rather OTT to my non-structural engineer mind and would shut out a considerable amount of light. Edited April 18, 2009 by Crossy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Can't recall having seen glass blocks as a floor anywhere, however I've seen laminated glass used as flooring. Not sure how cost effective it would be, as the glass blocks are quite cheap. But the laminated glass would take away less of the light. Maybe not the answer you were looking for but possibly something to consider. I did a quick search internet search, and came up with this, kind of looks like what you're proposing, just bigger tiles. The use of 12mm thick laminated glass would be more practical. But 1.5m sq single piece has to be specially ordered as standard floated glass comes in 1.2x2.4m. Else, you can use 2 equal small pieces 0.75x1.5m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjo o tjim Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 Crossy-- Take a look at this detail. http://www.ibpglassblock.com/images/floor/floor6.jpg Standard wall block isn't strong enough for use in a floor. The site has several good ideas similar to what you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moe666 Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 How much traffic on this glass, it may scratch after a bit of time and will not be so attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trogers Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 (edited) Crossy--Take a look at this detail. http://www.ibpglassblock.com/images/floor/floor6.jpg Standard wall block isn't strong enough for use in a floor. The site has several good ideas similar to what you are talking about. Glass block has been used successfully in interior space, but not for exterior that is exposed to the weather. Glass blocks are small rigid elements but the support structure (usually steel) is flexible. Small gaps will open up between blocks due to deflection of the structure, unless the deflection is kept to a minimum. Edited April 19, 2009 by trogers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted April 19, 2009 Author Share Posted April 19, 2009 Crossy--Take a look at this detail. http://www.ibpglassblock.com/images/floor/floor6.jpg Looks good, anyone seen glass pavers in Thailand? I've not, which why I was considering using the regular wall blocks, obviously, doing the job properly is much preferred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rook Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 Hi Crossy, look up www. Aluzat.com. do not think they do blocks, but looks as if they do glass floors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gouda Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 err... not sure if Mr Crossy has sorted this out yet, but found a leaflet for paving glass block system in Thailand. you can buy a prefabricated frame for the blocks, only comes in 3 sizes though 2x2,4x4 and 3x5 blocks. paving glass block system the website doesn't say much but the leaflet is quite detailed, has step by step installation photos, but text in Thai, can scan if anyone's interested.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted May 6, 2009 Author Share Posted May 6, 2009 the website doesn't say much but the leaflet is quite detailed, has step by step installation photos, but text in Thai, can scan if anyone's interested.. Well spotted that man I see what you mean about the website, it would be hard to include less information Yes, a scan of the leaflet would be nice, the system looks like what we need assuming several of the frames can be combined with suitable support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gouda Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 here you go Crossy hope this is of some help and that you can read thai this system uses a lip in the concrete floor as support, so if you can bolt some suitable concrete slabs into the cut out hole of your existing floor as a lip this may work too although your floor must be pretty deep to accomodate the lip and the blocks...... or maybe you could raise the surrounding edge of the blocks ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted May 7, 2009 Author Share Posted May 7, 2009 Looks good Gouda, thanks. I don't read Thai, but my architect does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrbkk64 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Ask the owners of Baccara how the did their glass floor ;-), in Soi C....y just in case you are not aware :-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossy Posted May 12, 2009 Author Share Posted May 12, 2009 Ask the owners of Baccara how the did their glass floor ;-), in Soi C....y just in case you are not aware :-0 555, 'Er Indoors would be out buying ducks if she thought I'd been visiting anywhere in Soi C. particularly an establishment with a glass floor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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