Fugitive Thaksin Seeks Safety From Extradition In Fiji

[Bangyai]

Does this sound familiar?

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance

2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance (megalomania)

3. Believes they are "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, people (or institutions) who are also "special" or of high status

4. Requires excessive admiration

5. Has a sense of entitlement

6. Is interpersonally exploitative

7. Lacks empathy

8. Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her

9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) as defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

Actually this does sound familiar. A concise precis of an imaginary biography about the life and postings of SJ .

[sriracha john]

*sigh*... yet another that can't follow forum rules by knowing the simple difference between members and non-members.

Is the concept all that difficult to grasp?

[sriracha john]

Thaksin ends trip around South Pacific and come to roost in Dubai

Ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra has ended his island-hopping trip in the South Pacific and flown back to Dubai.

He denied news reports he had been trying to seek asylum in Fiji in exchange for a multi-billion-baht investment deal.

Thaksin's legal adviser, Noppadon Pattama, yesterday said in Bangkok that he had just had a telephone conversation with his client in Dubai.

"Thaksin has asked me to rebut reports he was planning to invest about 8 Billion Baht in Fiji in exchange for political asylum," Noppadon said.

Thaksin has not planned to seek asylum, as evidenced by his withdrawal of an asylum petition in the UK, Noppadon said, adding that his client remained confident Thai authorities could not extradite him, since no foreign government would cooperate.

Noppadon said Thaksin met with Fijian leaders to gather information about investment prospects and that there was no discussion about asylum.

He ruled out speculation Thaksin had used a fake name to gain entry to Fiji and Tonga.

Chavanont Intarakomalyasut, an aide to the foreign minister, said Thaksin used a passport issued by Montenegro under his real name to travel. Speculation about Thaksin using an alias came from reports in the Australian media, he said.

When Thaksin made a transit stop in Kuala Lumpur last weekend, the authorities did not have sufficient time to complete extradition procedures to nab him before he flew on to the South Pacific, Chavanont said.

-- The Nation 2009-07-11

[sriracha john]

The Royal Tonga International Hotel at Fua'amotu

Former Thai President, Thaksin, visits Tonga

Nuku'alofa, Tonga: THAILAND'S former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra was in Tonga earlier this week and met with HM King George Tupou V and Princess Pilolevu Tuita.

The billionaire and his group arrived by private jet at the Fua'amotu International Airport.

The Royal Tonga International Hotel at Fua'amotu confirmed upon July 9 that the Thailand telecommunications billionaire checked into the hotel on Tuesday, July 7 with an entourage of over 10 people, including his personal assistants, secretaries, and bodyguards.

Thaksin and his group only stayed overnight at the hotel before checking out in the morning, Wednesday July 8.

The former Thai PM's trip to Tonga was a private affair to meet with the King and Princess Pilolevu.

Regional news sources reported that Thaksin had also visited Vanuatu and Fiji and that the exile was on the hunt for a safe place to live to avoid possible extradition.

- The Matangi Tonga / 2009-07-11

[ding]

If I remember correctly, Fiji is one of the few places in the work that Thai nationals can go to without any kind of visa.

Doesn't sound like a safe-house kind of lacale for Taxi. He'll spend his fortune running from justice and never be at peace again. His family divided and anyone around him could cash in on a Thai governemnt bounty.

[rixalex]

Diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) as defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

Actually this does sound familiar.

As does use of this usual tactic, employed on a regular basis by all you "i don't support Thaksin" people.

Someone accuses Thaksin of being corrupt, one of you lot spring up with the names of other corrupt politicians, like that makes it somehow better.

Someone accuses Thaksin of human rights abuse, one of you lot spring up with the names of an army general or two, like that makes it somehow better.

Someone accuses Thaksin of vote buying, one of you lot spring up and tell us it's commonplace and widespread, like that makes it somehow better.

Someone accuses Thaksin of having NPD, one of you lot spring up and accuse that member of having it himself.

What a sad and desperate tactic. You don't defend Thaksin - for one because you can't, and for two because you don't want anyone to think you support him, heaven forbid, so you simply point the finger in another direction, like that makes it somehow better.

[zorro1]

now that he is freshly single he will have plenty of time to compare the natives

[geriatrickid]

SJ,

I wrote - Your logic has more holes in it that a longterm alcoholic resident of Pattaya's brain.

You cite the "Diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) as defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.", but you have never used this manual in practice have you? It's the equivalent of Joe the plumber citing a cardiology textbook and then pronouncing a diagnosis on someone's heart disease.

You then replied - This is an example of what I meant when I said you next to nil about me. You erroneously presume far too much in an over-personal and inflammatory manner.

Now I ask; How was it over personal and inflammatory. Your logic is weak. A freshman taking logic 101 can do better.

No comment was made in respect to you. It was in respect to the logic used. The obsession with villifyng Mr. Thaksin boggles the mind. Are there deeper issues involved here? And now that someone questions you, you go running behind the veil of persecution.

I asked you if you were a qualified mental health diagnostician or clinician?

Your answer again takes refuge under the veile of being a victim and now you seek solace in the forum rules when you reply with;

I see. You presume and flame first, then ask later. That's quite reckless of you as well as being against forum rules.

Without getting too over-personal as I prefer to maintain some degree of anonymity, yes I have assisted in diagnosing mental illnesses.

That answer fails the test of competency to render a diagnosis of Mr. Thaksin. A waitress can assist in the preparation of a meal. That does not make her competent to pronounce on the menu preparation at a 3 star Michelin bistro.

The issue here is one of the almost stalking like behaviour you demonstrate to Thaksin. Every thread about him includes some sort of hyperbole or wild accusation. One doesn't need forum rules to understand the concept of being responsible. You have never met him, nor reviewed any psychological analysis of his character, but there you are hatcheting away. If someone questions you, you cry out, the rules, the rules you can't say that etc. Well here's a rule for you and let me make it very clear for you; You cannot disparage and smear someone's character in the manner in which you are doing, even on an internet forum. Please pick up the laws in respect to slander and libel in Thailand. (unless you are also a legal expert as well.)

I have said my piece and now withdraw. This is like me being challenged to a boxing match by a man without arms.

Have a nice, if rainy windy day (that's what it is here on Phuket.).

[sriracha john]

SJ,

I wrote - Your logic has more holes in it that a longterm alcoholic resident of Pattaya's brain.

It's the equivalent of Joe the plumber citing a cardiology textbook and then pronouncing a diagnosis on someone's heart disease.

Now I ask; How was it over personal and inflammatory.

*sigh* In light of the passage of time, other posters' input, and the thread going back on-topic, I thought we were finished, but apparently not.

I'm surprised you're unable to see that your earlier comments were over-personal and inflammatory?

The obsession with villifyng Mr. Thaksin boggles the mind. Are there deeper issues involved here? And now that someone questions you, you go running behind the veil of persecution.

Wishing to stay on-topic is not "running behind the veil of persecution." I am not the topic of this thread (refer to the thread title if uncertain). My opinion of Thaksin differs from yours apparently. Overlooking yet more of your inflammatory words like "obsessive" and "stalking," I find his behavior over the past many years as reprehensible. You seemingly do not. That's fine. It's not the only difference of opinion on the forum. We all, however, are expected to keep discussions amongst members civil and discuss the topic at hand.

If my opinion and posts upset you so much, there is a simple and painless solution for you. It's found here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/manage-ignored-users.html

Edited July 11, 2009 by sriracha john

[Heng]

When was he last in a country with a "major world government"? ....or do you mean like the "four world leaders" consisting of the heads of Papua-New Guinea, Solomon Islands, Vanuatu, and Fiji, that Noppadon spoke of earlier?

He doesn't need to actually be in country (although I do believe he has spent some time in Germany in this past year). Any major world gov't surely has the military (and hence gov't) resources to track him (and at the very least his plane), yet no one apparently feels the need to do anything about it. To the contrary, he's not even getting a "Rakesh Saxena" level of attention from the authorities.

[ballpoint]

SJ,

I wrote - Your logic has more holes in it that a longterm alcoholic resident of Pattaya's brain.

You cite the "Diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) as defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.", but you have never used this manual in practice have you? It's the equivalent of Joe the plumber citing a cardiology textbook and then pronouncing a diagnosis on someone's heart disease.

You then replied - This is an example of what I meant when I said you next to nil about me. You erroneously presume far too much in an over-personal and inflammatory manner.

Now I ask; How was it over personal and inflammatory. Your logic is weak. A freshman taking logic 101 can do better.

No comment was made in respect to you. It was in respect to the logic used. The obsession with villifyng Mr. Thaksin boggles the mind. Are there deeper issues involved here? And now that someone questions you, you go running behind the veil of persecution.

I asked you if you were a qualified mental health diagnostician or clinician?

Your answer again takes refuge under the veile of being a victim and now you seek solace in the forum rules when you reply with;

I see. You presume and flame first, then ask later. That's quite reckless of you as well as being against forum rules.

Without getting too over-personal as I prefer to maintain some degree of anonymity, yes I have assisted in diagnosing mental illnesses.

That answer fails the test of competency to render a diagnosis of Mr. Thaksin. A waitress can assist in the preparation of a meal. That does not make her competent to pronounce on the menu preparation at a 3 star Michelin bistro.

The issue here is one of the almost stalking like behaviour you demonstrate to Thaksin. Every thread about him includes some sort of hyperbole or wild accusation. One doesn't need forum rules to understand the concept of being responsible. You have never met him, nor reviewed any psychological analysis of his character, but there you are hatcheting away. If someone questions you, you cry out, the rules, the rules you can't say that etc. Well here's a rule for you and let me make it very clear for you; You cannot disparage and smear someone's character in the manner in which you are doing, even on an internet forum. Please pick up the laws in respect to slander and libel in Thailand. (unless you are also a legal expert as well.)

I have said my piece and now withdraw. This is like me being challenged to a boxing match by a man without arms.

Have a nice, if rainy windy day (that's what it is here on Phuket.).

Your obsession with defending Thaksin against the posts of those who see him as he really is, on this and other threads, truely boggles the mind. To paraphrase a quote you made on a previous thread: Given the way Thaksin treated the Thai people when PM, and further revealed his odious nature during the events of this year's Songkhran, where his calculated plan actually called for the killing of innocent people, a disinterested observer would seriously doubt the sanity of anybody even attempting to defend him and his actions.

[sriracha john]

Thailand urges Fiji to detain ex-PM Thaksin

BANGKOK, July 11 (TNA) -- Thailand has requested the Fijian government to detain convicted, ousted former Thai prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, on a temporary basis, after learning that the fugitive ex-premier is now in that country, a senior Thai official said Saturday.

Sirisak Tiyapan, executive director of the Office of the Attorney-General’s international affairs department, said the agency had communicated with the Fijian government through Thailand’s Foreign Affairs Ministry earlier this week requesting the Fijian government to temporarily apprehend Thaksin it was confirmed that he is now staying in that Pacific island country.

Thailand has no extradition treaty with Fiji. Consequently the possible application of an extradition request depends on the voluntary cooperation given by that country, he said.

Ousted from power in a bloodless coup in September 2006, Thaksin was sentenced in absentia last October to two years in prison for abuse of power, for allowing his then wife to bid on a tract of government-owned land in Bangkok at a government auction in 2003 while he was prime minister.

The Thai court deemed the Thaksin family action as being a conflict of interest on the part of the then prime minister and that it represented an abuse of power.

Mr. Sirisak said the communication from the Office of the Attorney-General included the court’s ruling and an arrest warrant for Thaksin with the official letter to the Fijian authorities.

-- TNA 2009-07-11

[sriracha john]

Thaksin's Fiji venture has a probable hidden agenda

All of a sudden, the name of a faraway destination that most Thais are not familiar with - let alone have made a visit to - has hit the public spotlight. The place is Fiji, a country of more than 300 islands in the South Pacific, midway between Tahiti and Australia.

So what has this little bit of history about Fiji got to do with us anyway? Well, this is the latest destination to which exiled former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra has just paid a hush-hush visit following a secret stopover probably for refuelling of his private jet in Kuala Lumpur. Deputy Interior Minister Thavorn Senneam blew the whistle on Thaksin's secret stopover in neighbouring Malaysia.

I am not sure my guess is right or wong but press speculation that Thaksin is bargaining for a safe haven for exile in Fiji was promptly dismissed by Thaksin's lawyer, Noppadon Pattama, who said the ex-premier was merely exploring investment opportunities for a small project in Fiji and not a $200 million project as speculated by the media. He also denied that Thaksin had visited Tonga and Vanuatu, two other island states in the South Pacific.

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion...e-hidden-agenda

-- Bangkok Post 2009-07-13

[sriracha john]

Former Thai President, Thaksin, visits Tonga

Nuku'alofa, Tonga: THAILAND'S former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra was in Tonga earlier this week and met with HM King George Tupou V and Princess Pilolevu Tuita.

Thaksin's lawyer, Noppadon Pattama,

denied that Thaksin had visited Tonga

Even for a lawyer, Noppadon seems to exceed their normally excessive limits for falsehoods.

Edited July 13, 2009 by sriracha john

[timekeeper]

Former Thai President, Thaksin, visits Tonga

Nuku'alofa, Tonga: THAILAND'S former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra was in Tonga earlier this week and met with HM King George Tupou V and Princess Pilolevu Tuita.

Thaksin's lawyer, Noppadon Pattama,

denied that Thaksin had visited Tonga

Even for a lawyer, Noppadon seems to exceed their normally excessive limits for falsehoods.

personally i urge Thickskin and his lying band of thieves to continue to fly to all God forsaken corners of the world

the more you fly, the more chances of a plane crash......

[Heng]

There's some logic. The more you stay on the ground, the more likely you'll have a 'land' crash as well.

[Samuian]

Thaksin's lawyer, Noppadon Pattama,

denied that Thaksin had visited Tonga

Is there a job description such as a "official denier"?

He will even deny he ever knew Thaskin, standing right next to him!

[sriracha john]

Editorial Cartoon

The Nation / 2009-07-13

[LaoPo]

Editorial Cartoon

The Nation / 2009-07-13

Far from the truth what The Nation wishes it's readers to believe.

Fiji receives support from China with hundreds of millions of Dollars since years. The threats from the West, read: NZ, Australia, EU and US to withdraw funds has no effect.

The cartoon is kind of funny, as if Fiji -here shown as a drowning rat, it's belly full (with Thaksin's cash....)- would drown if it would embrace Thaksin...how silly, childish and dumb, this cartoon.

Far from being reality.

LaoPo

[WAERTH]

Look at it from the bright side .... Nicaragua, Liberia, Fiji, Tonga, Vanuata .... the Thais get free geography lessons out of this. They will learn more about the world by following Thaksins travels than from years in school Free education for the masses ... seems Takky is keeping his promise for once

[sriracha john]

Malaysia protects me because they love me: Thaksin

Fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra confirmed Monday that he had stayed overnight in Malaysia and had been provided with special-branch police security.

"My private jet stopped for refuelling in Malaysia and they sent 20 special-branch policemen to guard me. They love and care about me," Thaksin said in a phone-in to FM 97.5 Udon Lovers community radio station yesterday morning.

This is the first time that Thaksin has been so close to Thailand since he fled last year.

Thai authorities had said earlier that Thaksin was in Malaysia on July 4 and had left the next day for Fiji before Thai police could take action. Thaksin ended his island hopping in the South Pacific and flew back to Dubai last Friday.

In the radio programme, host Kwanchai Praipana, a staunch supporter of Thaksin, asked the ousted PM about his thoughts on the current government's performance.

The radio programme was also broadcast via the Internet so communities across the nation could listen in.

During the hour-long chat, Thaksin called on his red-shirt supporters to unite and prepare for the next elections.

"If there is an election we will have to come out in force like we did in Sakon Nakhon and Si Sa Ket, [where the by-elections were won by Pheu Thai Party], and change the direction of Thailand," he said.

He also added that should Pheu Thai win the elections and form the next government, it would make reconciliation possible.

Some 200 members of the Udon Lovers Club, which is associated to the radio programme, greeted the former premier, saying they missed him and wanted him to return to Thailand soon.

"You people [udon natives] are role models for red-shirt supporters nationwide. If I have a chance to return, I will buy a plot of land and build a house [in Udon Thani]," Thaksin told his supporters.

Later Kwanchai said he would evaluate the response to the phone-in and added that he might ask the former PM to call again if he felt the need to defend himself.

"For three years Thaksin has been facing accusations, and he has not been able to defend himself because the state media has shut its door on him. So, our community radios nationwide should allow him to be heard," the host said.

-- The Nation 2009-07-13

[grandpops]

I think this multitude of posts put up by SRJ regarding PAD's "wild goose chase of the day" shows the following:

Most of the rest of the world are not going to be directed by a Coup puppets fanciful posturing in front of his own adoring (brain and blue rince washed) supporters.

Should any serious Nations be interested in these incredible requests, it would have happened by now.

Abhisit is a dog chasing a car. Should he ever catch him, he would not know what to do about it and will wish he had left well alone and stayed in his afternoon soap operas.

Forget pardons etc. The way back for Thaksin is ONE MAN ONE VOTE! That will win it for Thaksin over Abhisit every time! But in this climate, free and democratic elections are as much a flight of fancy as Abhisit chewing a wheel off the Thaksin car(steamroller)!

[sriracha john]

Most of the rest of the world are not going to be directed by a Coup puppets fanciful posturing in front of his own adoring (brain and blue rince washed) supporters.

Should any serious Nations be interested in these incredible requests, it would have happened by now.

I would have thought that it shows that his movements to the the far flung nether corners of the Earth where, for example,

The media has dubbed Fiji a "Bainimarama republic", a play on banana republic.

would have further reflected the increasingly desperate nature of his search for a place that will agree to hide him from justice.

As long as he continues to avoid "serious nations"... we don't know what they will do

(besides those that have already officially barred his entry which negates the question in the first place).

He's one hot square potato that "serious nations" have no interest in creating turmoil over. He's not worth it to them.

His ever ramped up narcissism, "Malaysia loves me too mut"... reflects the muddied thinking of a desperate man.

Edited July 14, 2009 by sriracha john

[grandpops]

Most of the rest of the world are not going to be directed by a Coup puppets fanciful posturing in front of his own adoring (brain and blue rince washed) supporters.

Should any serious Nations be interested in these incredible requests, it would have happened by now.

I would have thought that it shows that his movements to the the far flung nether corners of the Earth where, for example,

The media has dubbed Fiji a "Bainimarama republic", a play on banana republic.

would have further reflected the increasingly desperate nature of his search for a place that will agree to hide him from justice.

As long as he continues to avoid "serious nations"... we don't know what they will do

(besides those that have already officially barred his entry which negates the question in the first place).

He's one hot square potato that "serious nations" have no interest in creating turmoil over. He's not worth it to them.

His ever ramped up narcissism, "Malaysia loves me too mut"... reflects the muddied thinking of a desperate man.

This is the problem with cut and paste mania. You never read have of what you paste up and certainly do not digest it and form an opinion.

You obviously missed the bit about Europe, Middle East, China, Hong Kong and Malaysia when you were talking about far flung places.

Oh look, you even mentioned "Malaysia loves me too mut" in the same post totally negating what you said in your first waffle. Or are you talking about Malaysia as a far flung place from London, or New York etc? Or did you really really mean Malaysia is a far flung part of the world from Thailand.....

Map anyone!

Read, digest, think, type, re-think, press submit key. I think your post shows the muddied cut and pasting of a muddled man! If I may be so bold as paraphrase your last line.

Edited July 14, 2009 by grandpops

[sriracha john]

Most of the rest of the world are not going to be directed by a Coup puppets fanciful posturing in front of his own adoring (brain and blue rince washed) supporters.

Should any serious Nations be interested in these incredible requests, it would have happened by now.

I would have thought that it shows that his movements to the the far flung nether corners of the Earth where, for example,

The media has dubbed Fiji a "Bainimarama republic", a play on banana republic.

would have further reflected the increasingly desperate nature of his search for a place that will agree to hide him from justice.

As long as he continues to avoid "serious nations"... we don't know what they will do

(besides those that have already officially barred his entry which negates the question in the first place).

He's one hot square potato that "serious nations" have no interest in creating turmoil over. He's not worth it to them.

His ever ramped up narcissism, "Malaysia loves me too mut"... reflects the muddied thinking of a desperate man.

This is the problem with cut and paste mania. You never read have of what you paste up and certainly do not digest it and form an opinion.

You obviously missed the bit about Europe, Middle East, China, Hong Kong and Malaysia when you were talking about far flung places.

Oh look, you even mentioned "Malaysia loves me too mut" in the same post totally negating what you said in your first waffle. Or are you talking about Malaysia as a far flung place from London, or New York etc? Or did you really really mean Malaysia is a far flung part of the world from Thailand.....

Map anyone!

Read, digest, think, type, re-think, press submit key. I think your post shows the muddied cut and pasting of a muddled man! If I may be so bold as paraphrase your last line.

No, you may not.

You have the same difficulty as others have had on this thread that think it's ok to disparage Thaivisa members with inflammatory language because that member disparages a non-Thaivisa member public figure. Even IF I was a murderous deposed despot like Thaksin... and I'm certainly not, you are prohibited from doing so. That I am NOT those things should make it even easier to understand and comply with the rules you agreed to when you signed up.

I guess that concept is too difficult for some to comprehend and follow the forum's doctrines, but I would have thought that with the high percentage of deleted posts under your nick, that you might have begun to catch onto that by now... but I guess not.

As for staying in "serious nations", just how many hours he stay in Malaysia?

How much time has he spent in Europe, China, and Hong Kong in the past 3 months? Where does and has he spent his time? In the UAE. While they may have a higher standard of living than the other places he's been in the past 3 months like Liberia and Nicaragua, it's too small a piece of sand to merit much in the "serious nations" monniker.

While apparently he did go to Europe, it was only Montenegro.

Edited July 14, 2009 by sriracha john

[Heng]

Yeah, and I bet he didn't even have time to buy souvenirs. That's like not even being there probably.

[sriracha john]

Malaysia protects me because they love me: Thaksin

Fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra confirmed Monday that he had stayed overnight in Malaysia and had been provided with special-branch police security.

"My private jet stopped for refuelling in Malaysia and they sent 20 special-branch policemen to guard me. They love and care about me," Thaksin said in a phone-in to FM 97.5 Udon Lovers community radio station yesterday morning.

-- The Nation 2009-07-13

Thaksin was never here: Inspector-General of Malaysian Police

KUALA LUMPUR: Former Thai premier Thaksin Shinawatra, who is now a fugitive, was never in Malaysia nor was he given any protection by the Special Branch as he has claimed, Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan said.

Musa said Malaysian police had no knowledge of any visit by Thaksin, despite earlier reports quoting Deputy Interior Minister Thaworn Senneam as saying Thaksin had been spotted in Malaysia recently, but left the country before he could be arrested by the authorities.

Thaworn said Thai embassy officials had informed the Malaysian authorities to seek Thaksin’s arrest and extradition.

“We were only alerted by the Thai embassy here of the fugitive’s supposed presence early this month following a news report in Bangkok.

“As far as we are concerned, he was never in the country and we did not send 20 Special Branch officers to protect him. We have checked with local hotels, Immigration and other sources, and there is no evidence to show that he was ever here,’’ he said.

According to a report in Bangkok-based newspaper The Nation, Thaksin told a community radio that his private jet stopped in Kuala Lumpur on July 4 for refuelling and that 20 Special Branch officers were sent to protect him.

“They love and care about me,” Thaksin said in the newspaper report which was also picked up by a Malaysian news portal.

- The Star (Malaysia) / 2009-07-14

[animatic]

Does this sound familiar?

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance

2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance (megalomania)

3. Believes they are "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, people (or institutions) who are also "special" or of high status

4. Requires excessive admiration

5. Has a sense of entitlement

6. Is interpersonally exploitative

7. Lacks empathy

8. Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her

9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Diagnostic criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) as defined by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.

MMkay, and what's your point?

That Thaksin's actions are indicative of someone with a Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

I can cut and paste alot of "indications" from my textbooks and say that they apply to you. It is just as relevant.

These are not indications, they are the diagnostic criteria used by mental health workers world-wide. As my own actions (which, known by you, are next to nil) don't have any where near the volume that is available on Thaksin, it would be an inaccurate and irrelevant statement as well as an over-personal comment that is not permitted to be made by one member regarding another member.

Unless you have about 8 years of medical school and related internship and residency and a few years of clinical experience, I think you should leave "pop psychology" to the realm of talk shows and hucksters selling fads of the month.

Cutting and pasting is fine for kindergarten kids, but should not be used for a mental health diagnosis.

This is not "pop psychology" in the slightest. I'm surprised that you seem to be unaware that the criteria established by the DSM is the psychiatric field standard.

I didn't diagnose him in the original post nor here. I am merely saying in this post that it is indicative. Other members might tend to agree and have already posted to that effect. It's not the end of the world and really is no great leap to come to that sort of conclusion. It's also nothing all that new.

"pop psychology" is self help books, Dr. Phil, Tony Robbins

and many other 'remake yourself into the person you want to be,' types and media sales devices.

What is lised above is a criteria for diagnosis of a mental illness or at least personality disorder,

listed in a clinically organised fashion for use as a diagnostic tool.

So since CONCLUSIONS were not being drawn by SJ, it is not amateur psychiatry at work.

That said,

it DOES give anyone reading it a reference point to looking at well documented persons

actions and metal state relatively to this criteria. That this specific person commented on

is a former high level politician, convicted and evading criminal, rich beyond typical avarice,

and yet still wishing to be richer and a very, very well documented public figure makes anyone's

volume of reference to his mental state much greater than the average person being assessed

in a typical mental health facility.

So the average observer has much data to compare the words and actions to the criteria

and make a valid comparison between the majority of people they know and this particular person.

Iti sn't going to be a clinical diagnosis allowing certification and confinement, but need not be,

only a personal appraisal of another person.

Whether that person comes up wanting in the eyes of the observer is totally subjective.

But valid to the observer. We make similar observations. and decisions based on them daily,

for our own safety and well being with even LESS data available.

Edited July 14, 2009 by animatic

[sriracha john]

Malaysia protects me because they love me: Thaksin

Fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra confirmed Monday that he had stayed overnight in Malaysia and had been provided with special-branch police security.

"My private jet stopped for refuelling in Malaysia and they sent 20 special-branch policemen to guard me. They love and care about me," Thaksin said in a phone-in to FM 97.5 Udon Lovers community radio station yesterday morning.

-- The Nation 2009-07-13

Thaksin was never here: Inspector-General of Malaysian Police

KUALA LUMPUR: Former Thai premier Thaksin Shinawatra, who is now a fugitive, was never in Malaysia nor was he given any protection by the Special Branch as he has claimed, Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan said.

“We were only alerted by the Thai embassy here of the fugitive’s supposed presence early this month following a news report in Bangkok.

“As far as we are concerned, he was never in the country and we did not send 20 Special Branch officers to protect him. We have checked with local hotels, Immigration and other sources, and there is no evidence to show that he was ever here,’’ he said.

- The Star (Malaysia) / 2009-07-14

So much for "Malaysia protects me because they love me"....

When even the head cop calls him a "fugitive," it's not exactly a term of endearment.

As for...

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Thaksin-Spec...io-t280224.html

Thaksin: Special Security Protection For Me In Malaysia, Thaksin confirmed that he had stayed overnight

it looks like, once again, Thaksin's been caught out in telling porkies...

Edited July 14, 2009 by sriracha john

[brahmburgers]

Here's an idea: anyone with a sizable property, can plant a flag with some sort of coat or arms. It doesn't have to be a big parcel, but at least as big as the 2 acre rock off Montenegro. As an added touch, you can claim sovereignty, and add a landing strip for planes. Then lo and behold, .....don't be too surprised if, in a couple of weeks, Thaksin comes flying in, like Santa with bodyguards, except instead of bags of toys, he'll have bags of cash - or at least the promise of mountains of money.

All he'll want is for you to treat him like the big shot he envisions himself as, and laugh at his jokes, and in effect, give him the run of the property. Oh, and he would appreciate if you'd screen incoming flights from Thailand, to make sure there aren't any pesky authorities arriving, wanting to cause trouble.

BTW, in regard to the earlier mention of 'Narcissistic Personality Disorder,' would that apply to elder women who insist everyone address them as 'countess' ? That was my mom, I jest not. She even had stationary printed up with her name preceded by 'Countess.'