clonetom Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Mein Herzliches Beileid an die Familie! My condolences to the family! This is by far the most shocking thing I've read in the course of this forum... I hope and wish the BIB will do their utmost to find and prosecute those responsible instead of wasting their time with seasonal crackdowns. IMHO, in the light of recent developments in Thailand, one may have to reconsider many things. For my part I will make sure this is blogged as far and widespread as possible! Moege er Frieden finden! May he find peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 This is extreme in more than one way. Who has the expertise to put this kind of bomb together? Where do you get C4? This isn't an ordinary hit. My condolences to the friends and family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farma Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Link to crime scene video in Thai with Google map of location. Warning: graphic content ***removed--too graphic*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopDogger Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 This is extreme in more than one way. Who has the expertise to put this kind of bomb together? Where do you get C4? This isn't an ordinary hit.My condolences to the friends and family. Theres been a home made bomb incident in BKK with the use of C4 today also, perhaps there selling it up at the burmese boarder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewsta Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 meters or metres, if it matters to the central theme of shock and sadness,probably. Not the last story of its kind is the truth to start from.......where to next for the next tragedy is the only question? Brewsta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acharn Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Blowing him up with military grade explosives isn't exactly your average bump off the competition with a .38 revolver.Sounds like someone is sending a very clear message going to such extremes. Anybody knows more details about the dispute? How much is involved? There are two reasons for this question. a) Everybody says life is cheap in Thailand. I want to know, how cheap? I could also try to figure out whether I qualify for C4 or .38. I dunno, but I've been told that a bullet only costs five baht. I found it expedient to frequent more congenial surroundings. I don't have any idea how much a half kilo of C4 costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 It's gotta be strictly about the cash, his killers have probably ripped off a ton of people who were threatening to take action and they killed him like this to make a statement and buy them selves some time. Sad news indeed, condolences to the family and friends. I do hope they catch and bring justice to his killers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanmiguellight Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 There was a similar case in America not too long ago where a Pizza delivery guy was sent into do some kind of robbery with a bomb attached to him and a 45 minute timer attached, but once it was attached it wasnt coming off and blew the guy to pieces caught on TV ..... seems like this is a copycat. To think you could meet whoever set this up and you wouldnt know what they were capable of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elliss Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Sounds like the work of Russian mafia who have been watching a bit too much "Man On Fire". Poor guy. RIP.It seems many of these suits seem to be settled outside of court so to speak. i reckon so, similarity to russky skills . there are quite a few of these guys in pattaya . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR Texas Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 This should really be good for tourism to Pattaya. Won't be heard of outside the country. why would you say that? it's on the front page of one of two english newspaper websites here. It will be heard outside of the country and already is.........the age of the internet......eventually a simple search of violence/murder/pattaya/chonburi/real estate will lead to the story. # German engineer killed by bomb in Chon Buri - 2 hours ago Chon Buri - The torn-apart body of a German engineer was found in rubber ... Police said the bomb appeared to be C4 explosives tied to the body of the man, ... The Nation # German engineer killed by bomb in Chon Buri - Nationmultimedia.com 21 Aug 2009 ... German engineer killed by bomb in Chon Buri ... Police said the bomb appeared to be C4 explosives tied to the body of the man, whose BMW car ... www.nationmultimedia.com/.../German-engineer-killed-by-bomb-in-Chon-Buri - 2 hours ago - Similar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosse137 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Talking about securing a crime scen..; people walking around as on an outing or a picnic!! Now I do better understand,why the Thai police have such a bad crime-solving record....( I refere to the video,shown in a previous post) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWalkingMan Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 C4?? I would have thought that even in the wild, wild west that is Thailand, C4 would be extremely difficult to obtain. Seems like a lot of trouble was gone through to let people know that someone is not to be messed with. RIP TheWalkingMan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 It will be heard outside of the country and already is.........the age of the internet......eventually a simple search of violence/murder/pattaya/chonburi/real estate will lead to the story. And how many potential tourists are going to do that? Half of them probably don't read the local news at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maejo Man Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Link to crime scene video in Thai with Google map of location.Warning: graphic content <<<REMOVED - TOO GRAPHIC>>> How they allow graphic scenes like this in the Thai media never ceases to amaze me. Very sad indeed for the wife to witness such gore...Rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunholidaysun1 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 If this had been a local dispute it may have resulted in a gun shot , however, being C4 and remote detonator , this is a proffessional hit. Take your pick on who is responsible but I doubt if who ever did this will be caught. The victim had obviously upset some very powerful people. Condolences to the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkjames Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 It will be heard outside of the country and already is.........the age of the internet......eventually a simple search of violence/murder/pattaya/chonburi/real estate will lead to the story. And how many potential tourists are going to do that? Half of them probably don't read the local news at home. Now now Vic, just because you have gone red again doesn't mean that all tourists to Thailand go to Pattaya. Anyways, with the recent stuff in Phuket and now this, glad I am not in property. Video is horrific btw way. Condolences to the family, hope they don't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john b good Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 What's it gonna be tomorrow? Wednesday, was short skirts... Yesterday, was customs folk being the most corrupt gov't dep't in the realm... And today we have a guy blown up by C-4 explosives... Wait for tomorrows breaking news... And I won't yet blame the denizens of the realm but I would bet even money that they are in the somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0om4gloom Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 hardcore... strapped with c4 with a remote trigger.how doesn't that warrant a massive search and crack down. Agree 100%. If crimes like this go uninvestigated or are just accepted ('well it happens in the US ') then our society is beyond farked... Whoever committed this crime (If it wan't suicide; I don't know.) needs to be caught and sentenced extremely harshly; life, meaning life. What makes you think there isn't a massive search going on ? Its possible they dont need to because they already know exactly which mafia is responsible. Getting proof is much more difficult though.... Maybe your suggesting that just because there a tea money culture in Thailand they dont care about anything like this...I would argue very strongly that is NOT the case and this incident will be taken very seriously indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga-gai Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Seems like an demonstration of power and scare tactics. If they only wanted him dead, they could just have shot him or cut his throat. But this is to warn others what will happen if someone mess with the wrong guys. Looks really like foreign handling to me. If it was the Thai mafia, he would have been shot in his car by a guy on a motorbike. Could be a Russian job, since those guys probably have a taste for the spectacular and loves the movies. They probably took pictures of him before they blow as well, just for later laughter and show others. R.I.P. Uwe. It could have been any of us, trying to make a business and a living here but crossed the path of the wrong people. Edited August 21, 2009 by Ga-gai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clonetom Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Link to crime scene video in Thai with Google map of location.Warning: graphic content <<<REMOVED - TOO GRAPHIC>>> How they allow graphic scenes like this in the Thai media never ceases to amaze me. Very sad indeed for the wife to witness such gore...Rip Fully agree! Isn't it already terrible enough for the family? And then having these graphic videos put in public? Talk about securing a crime scene... by having reporters jumping around or waht would be worse if it is the official BIB documentation played into the hands of journalists? Judgement day comes for all of us, sooner or later, no matter what religion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterego Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Firstly my condolences to the family, friends and coleagues. If this conjecture is abhorent I can only say it is not my intention. Further to that it would seem that the execution most likely/probably/may have involved some torture for perhaps information or futher confirmation of facts by the victim. Hence why the body bomb to destroy any evidence of mutilation and hinder forensic recovery. Bomb style assasinations have historically been a favorite of the russian and Jewish syndicates (however these have traditionally been booby traps like car bombs, phone bombs, letter bombs etc). I think this poor man was tortured and made to confess or divuldge information, perhaps even into a microphone. There is almost definitely 3 people or more. As escorting someone and straping a bomb to someone is no easy task. I wonder what kind of forensic evidence is found in the car? As obviously at least 1-2 offenders were in the vehicle for it to have got there. A tradgedy and people responsible for this type of thing have no place on the earth. Despite not being a budhist myself I can only imagine what kind of Karma these vermin ofenders will encounter in their next life. (has there been a real confirmation that the victim (judging by the video disfigured beyond recognition) may not even be the person on the Thai drivers licence). Edited August 21, 2009 by walterego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skorchio Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Blowing him up with military grade explosives isn't exactly your average bump off the competition with a .38 revolver.Sounds like someone is sending a very clear message going to such extremes. I tend to agree with this - there may be other partners, or others involved in this disagreement. It certainly rings of "don't <deleted>*k with us!!" RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorro1 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Sounds like the work of Russian mafia who have been watching a bit too much "Man On Fire". Poor guy. RIP.It seems many of these suits seem to be settled outside of court so to speak. i reckon so, similarity to russky skills . there are quite a few of these guys in pattaya . agreed watched a horrific home made vid on the net of ruskies releasing a man from the boot of a car in the forest. What they made him do is to sickening to post, wish i never saw it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Some very graphic links removed, please use discretion when posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefusilier Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Nice bit of professional police work there in that video of a crime scene - a complete group of Sherlock Holmes. No wonder Thai police couldn't solve a crime if their life depended on it. Condolences to his family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denissr Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Must have been a personal conflict, but then again, why he commited suicide himself? Re-read the article. It seems his murderer set the bomb off by remote device. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackDiamond Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 This is an extreme murder. Either the perpetrators hated him to the extreme or theyre making a point to others. This is Extremist behaviour. I wish we could know the full story behind this. All we can do is speculate. I wonder why they went to such an extreme act of "getting rid of him"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George4 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 If this had been a local dispute it may have resulted in a gun shot , however, being C4 and remote detonator , this is a proffessional hit. Take your pick on who is responsible but I doubt if who ever did this will be caught.The victim had obviously upset some very powerful people. Condolences to the family. Sincere condolences to the family. He's obviously upset some bad people who think they are powerful. There's always someome more powerfuland I can't see those at the top wearing this one. This is worldwide news and you can bet the order has come right from the top to get these people. I'll give it 1 to 6 days before someone is arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badge Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 German Engineer Killed By Bomb In Chon BuriCHONBURI: -- The torn-apart body of a German engineer was found in rubber plantation in Banglamung district here Friday morning, police said. Police said the remains of Uwe Keienburt, 45, who was an engineer of a real estate company, was found by a rubber tapper in the morning. Police said the bomb appeared to be C4 explosives tied to the body of the man, whose BMW car was found left about 500 away. Police said the killer used a remote control to detonate the bomb that torn his body into pieces. His wife, Araya, 40, told police that the German engineer left their house on Soi Sukhumvit 24 at 9 am on Thursday and disappeared. She said her husband had conflicts with a group of foreign real estate developers and he sued to receive a death threat. -- The Nation 21/08/09 An 'engineer of a real estate company'? what on earth is that? 'he sued to receive a death threat'? Theres obvious issues with this report, but C4 strapped to a chap and detonated remotely means your dealing with someone with an advanced military knowledge(background) and connections, presumably local not foreign. Awful news for the family. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 German Engineer Killed By Bomb In Chon BuriCHONBURI: -- The torn-apart body of a German engineer was found in rubber plantation in Banglamung district here Friday morning, police said. Police said the remains of Uwe Keienburt, 45, who was an engineer of a real estate company, was found by a rubber tapper in the morning. Police said the bomb appeared to be C4 explosives tied to the body of the man, whose BMW car was found left about 500 away. Police said the killer used a remote control to detonate the bomb that torn his body into pieces. His wife, Araya, 40, told police that the German engineer left their house on Soi Sukhumvit 24 at 9 am on Thursday and disappeared. She said her husband had conflicts with a group of foreign real estate developers and he sued to receive a death threat. -- The Nation 21/08/09 An 'engineer of a real estate company'? what on earth is that? 'he sued to receive a death threat'? Theres obvious issues with this report, but C4 strapped to a chap and detonated remotely means your dealing with someone with an advanced military knowledge(background) and connections, presumably local not foreign. Awful news for the family. RIP Previous Thailand scandal with German engineer of very similar name: http://gomaco.com/resources/worldstories/w...talianthai.html probably just a coincidence however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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