Jatuporn Stirs Anger In House Over Motion

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Jatuporn stirs anger in house over motion

By The Nation

Published on October 23, 2009

A sitting of House MPs was adjourned yesterday after an opposition MP proposed an urgent motion to discuss remarks made by the Privy Council President.

The dispute had looked set to start another physical fight among MPs.

Deputy House Speaker Samart Kaewmeechai allowed Pheu Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan to propose an urgent matter described as "interference in Thai democracy".

Jatuporn wanted to refer to Privy Council president General Prem Tinsulanonda's remarks in reaction to General Chavalit Yongchaiyudh joining Pheu Thai Party.

He did not mention Prem directly but introduced his motion that there was an interview to defame Pheu Thai Party.

Democrat MPs opposed Jatuporn's presentation of the motion, saying his reference to an 'outsider' could be against meeting regulations.

Bangkok MP Thana Cheeravinij said that instead of proposing a debate in Parliament, Jatuporn's party or Chavalit should have filed a legal case if they felt "damaged" by Prem's remarks.

Prem responded publicly last week to remarks by Chavalit. He said he simply advised his former confidant to "form a decision with prudence" on whether to join Pheu Thai, "otherwise he may be seen as a traitor."

Jatuporn said what happened proved a charismatic person had unconstitutionally caused a House motion to be dropped. He said the Democrats should not "abuse" their majority to force an opposition motion to be dropped.

Democrat Watchara Petchthong asked Jatuporn whether his mother had told him not to refer Prem.

Jatuporn said his parents should not be mentioned unfairly in the House.

"This is Parliament, if MPs can't do anything because they are not in the majority, that will cause problems. In a political fight, don't drag my mother into being involved unless you know what the truth is," he said.

In reaction to a comment by Democrat MP Apichart Supapang, Jatuporn dared Apichart to approach for a fight with support of Pheu Thai MP Somkid Bantaisong.

In May, Democrat MP Pramual Aimpia tried to punch and kick Somkid after a quarrel over the quorum of a meeting.

The session was adjourned for a 10- minute break. But after an hour of Jatuporn defending his motion amid boos and protests by the Democrats, Deputy House Speaker Samart Kaewmeechai, who gave Jatuporn chances to put and clarify the motion but later asked Jatuporn to withdraw the motion, adjourned the sitting.

Government chief whip Chinnaworn Boonyakiat said he was disappointed with Samart's decision. The House Speaker and Samart had discussed the motion earlier, with the former saying that mentioning an "outsider" and possible mention of the monarchy should not be allowed as an urgent motion according to House regulations.

He said the topic (title) of Jatuporn's motion was changed before Samart allowed it, but the content was the same.

"Jatuporn should consider his actions, as every time he stands up to speak, situations like this happen. Does that mean he is causing conflict?" Chinnaworn said.

He said Jatuporn's motion yesterday was dropped. And it must be re-considered whether it is against the regulation if Jatuporn proposes it again next week.

-- The Nation 2009/10/23

[TheGoodDoctor]

Prem is a wise and noble man. This Jatuporn guy needs to learn respect for his elders.

[LawnGnome]

Yes, let's leave Jatuporn's mother out of it. She's busy anyway, hiding her face in shame at having such a douchebag son.

[animatic]

Jatuporn has proved to be nothing more than a divisive loose cannon.

More adept at slowing the country's progress than at doing anything that is part of his job as a MP,

ie helping improve the lot of the Thai People.

Edited October 23, 2009 by animatic

[Publicus]

Another display of the quality of leaders predictably produced by LOS. As it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be in Thailand endlessly. Petty cash.

[ballpoint]

...In a political fight, don't drag my mother into being involved unless you know what the truth is," he said...

Seems a strange thing to say. So, what is the truth about his mother?

[Jitske]

Jatuporn has proved to be nothing more than a divisive loose cannon.

More adept at slowing the country's progress than at doing anything that is part of his job as a MP,

ie helping improve the lot of the Thai People.

In a Parliamentary Democracy, there is the Government and the Opposition.

They each have a job in Parliament.

[Jitske]

All that because he is a leader of the UDD?

[slapout]

Does give credence to the old saying " some children even a mother can not love"

[Publicus]

All that because he is a leader of the UDD?

I should reasonably suspect so and likely much, much more. We don't know the family history but the mother's statement sounds like the level of national affairs, but it could be worse. There could be a family and community history behind the mother's statement as well.

Jatuporn's history seems well known in the parliament and among the Thai elites. If anyone wants to defend the guy at this forum, then go ahead to provide the information and details. The guy's a Thai politician so the time proven principle applies that he's immediately suspect and in need of exoneration.

[Jitske]

Guilty unless proven innocent my journalist friend Publicus?

And you buy into all that 1st. post, newby SMCS post #8 stuff, supposedly coming from a 90-year-old lady (no offense to 90-year-olds intended).

I dont buy any of it.

Just anti-UDD stuff, via fabricated specious commentary.

Edited October 23, 2009 by Jitske

[animatic]

Jatuporn has proved to be nothing more than a divisive loose cannon.

More adept at slowing the country's progress than at doing anything that is part of his job as a MP,

ie helping improve the lot of the Thai People.

In a Parliamentary Democracy, there is the Government and the Opposition.

They each have a job in Parliament.

Yes,

too bad he makes so little effort at actually doing that job in a productive manner.

Which is my point. Being in opposition is not just saying everything the other side says or does is wrong,

but finding agreement to move things along, until such time as they regain the parliamentary majority.

His only strong suit is disruption and division. And it's an ill fitting motley suit at that.

[animatic]

Do I sense the return of Ferwert?

[Publicus]

Guilty unless proven innocent my journalist friend Publicus?

And you buy into all that 1st. post, newby SMCS post #8 stuff, supposedly coming from a 90-year-old lady (no offense to 90-year-olds intended).

I dont buy any of it.

Just anti-UDD stuff, via fabricated specious commentary.

The US Bill of Rights does not apply in Thailand nor notably does it apply in France to cite another place. (BTW I immediately felt our old connection which is why I was compelled to respond, so welcome back.) It is irrelevant to the state of being called Thainess because Thailand is so endemicly and profoundly corrupt the politicians continually exceed themselves in their amazing creative corruptability.

Where in the post about Jatuporn's mother is the UDD mentioned? The UDD is injected by your post. The forumist who researched the 'mother' reference against Jatuporn provided excellent new information to develop what had been an unclear reference. In contrast the above is only the SOS rhetoric. Accordingly, it might be refreshing to match the Thais' negatively inventive capabilities by providing a creative approach to the same old tired and specious sales pitches.

Doing PR for gangsters means ya gotta dress 'em up to impress the judges and public alike.

[hammered]

Yes, let's leave Jatuporn's mother out of it. She's busy anyway, hiding her face in shame at having such a douchebag son.

She had to hide it in shame a long time before Jatuporn became one of the red ones.

[hammered]

All that because he is a leader of the UDD?

There is a lot more to it than that, and not just revently

Edited to add: Jatupron is a really odious piece of work by anyones description. Even quite a few red supporters concede he is a nasty man. It is no surprise that his mother would be disappointed in him.

Edited October 24, 2009 by hammered

[animatic]

His is trouble; nothing more nothing less.

He is used by higher powers to stir the pot because ultimately he is expendable,

and too little of an intellect to be either; much use or getting in the way later on.

Edited October 24, 2009 by animatic

[katana]

Might have just been easier to post a link to the thread...

[Rumfoord]

All that because he is a leader of the UDD?

There is a lot more to it than that, and not just revently

Edited to add: Jatupron is a really odious piece of work by anyones description. Even quite a few red supporters concede he is a nasty man. It is no surprise that his mother would be disappointed in him.

a hideous piece of ill manners is how some people try to drag Jutaporns mother and gossip about the relationship between them into the discussion. that is disgusting. should be out of place in a parliamentary debate. another intellectual low by the usual suspect.

[LawnGnome]

All that because he is a leader of the UDD?

There is a lot more to it than that, and not just revently

Edited to add: Jatupron is a really odious piece of work by anyones description. Even quite a few red supporters concede he is a nasty man. It is no surprise that his mother would be disappointed in him.

a hideous piece of ill manners is how some people try to drag Jutaporns mother and gossip about the relationship between them into the discussion. that is disgusting. should be out of place in a parliamentary debate. another intellectual low by the usual suspect.

Defending the indefensible. Charge any windmills lately?

[steven2]

Prem is a wise and noble man.

thanks for the laugh

[animatic]

Nervous laughter often comes from not having a proper response.

[Rumfoord]

a hideous piece of ill manners is how some people try to drag Jutaporns mother and gossip about the relationship between them into the discussion. that is disgusting. should be out of place in a parliamentary debate. another intellectual low by the usual suspect.

Defending the indefensible. Charge any windmills lately?

Jutaporn or whoever, that doesn't matter. it is ill manners to bring someones mother or anykind of similar gossip into a political discussion.

are you are trying to defend those blockheads that did exactly that or want you say that trying to explain that to these uncivilised idiots is like a fight against windmills?

or what is your point?

[animatic]

This is not about those distasteful familial comments, but about HIS motions in the legislature,

no point in distracting from the real issue.

Wasn't Justaporno the one making negative comments about Mrs Vajajiva no less.

Kettle vs teapot; and totally potty... oops than' Oak's mother...

another distraction. She's almost as silent as Prem these days.

[Rumfoord]

Wasn't Justaporno the one making negative comments about Mrs Vajajiva no less.

Kettle vs teapot; and totally potty... oops than' Oak's mother...

another distraction. She's almost as silent as Prem these days.

never seen his name transcribed as Justaporno. i guess you are trying to be funny. did you ask your mommy if she would approve such a pubescent "joke".

he make negative comments about Mrs. Vejjajiva? when and where, in a parliamentary debate? or is that just another piece of your fantasy stories?

and just like you did it again, it is a typical trait of Thaksin haters to drag family members, mothers, wifes or children into the debate and start to make some points with insulting them.

i think that is an uncivilised manner. an imbecile behavior and not the way educated adults should talk.

[TAWP]

Rumfoord, you really do like to pick bad-fellows of low repute.

And we did not bring his mother into anything, her feelings for her son isn't a secret...

[xminator]

What happened to the libel and defamation "be carefull" rule?

[TAWP]

Again, re-telling something isn't libel when it is from the news.

[Rumfoord]

Rumfoord, you really do like to pick bad-fellows of low repute.

And we did not bring his mother into anything, her feelings for her son isn't a secret...

the bad-fellows of low-repute. yep, that are the usual suspects that re-define the intellectual low from day to day. the irrational hate mob.

who is we in the we of your second sentence?

Defending the indefensible?

[hammered]

All that because he is a leader of the UDD?

There is a lot more to it than that, and not just revently

Edited to add: Jatupron is a really odious piece of work by anyones description. Even quite a few red supporters concede he is a nasty man. It is no surprise that his mother would be disappointed in him.

a hideous piece of ill manners is how some people try to drag Jutaporns mother and gossip about the relationship between them into the discussion. that is disgusting. should be out of place in a parliamentary debate. another intellectual low by the usual suspect.

I love the righteous indigantion Rumfoord. Clearly you havent been following Thai poltics for the apst few years or even decades. I welcome the intellectual highs of your usual comments.

By the way anyone who has spent more than 5 seconds discussing Thai poltics with a variety of Thai people knows exaclty to what everything refers in every case and not just this one. Thai political games thrive on innuendo, supposition and rumour partly because of severe defeamation laws and partly to do with local polticla culture. Family memebers of polticiansd have alwasy been seen as fair game whether those a particular western persuasion approve or not. Poltics is a very very dirty game.

By the way he who doesnt like his own mother brought into things has brought enough other people's family emebers in but that is of course acceptable within the poltical culture and he indeed understnads and accepts this and is just playing an outrage card. We could fill an entire thread just with a list fo politiciains family members attacked for all kinds of reasons.

Anyway enjoyed the righteous indignation. I am sure you have always shown it when family members of polticians you didnt like were attacked publically in front of the media rather than on an expat forum lacking in influence