Thailand Won't Negotiate With Cambodia As Long As Thaksin Advises

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FM Kasit: Thailand won't negotiate with Cambodia as long as Thaksin advises

BANGKOK, Nov 27 (TNA) - Thai Minister of Foreign Affairs Kasit Piromya on Friday asserted that Thailand will not open negotiations to settle the diplomatic row with its neighbour Cambodia as the problem was caused by its neighbour when Cambodia appointed fugitive ousted Thai premier Thaksin Shinawatra as its economic adviser.

Mr Kasit commented as former Thai foreign minister Surakiart Sathirathai advised the Abhisit Vejjajiva government to open talks with the Cambodian government first to end recent diplomatic falling out which deteriorated relations between the two kingdoms.

The minister reaffirmed that Thailand will not begin negotiations as long as the fugitive ex-Thai premier remains in the post and the Cambodian government still "meddles" with Mr Thaksin.

He said that it is not about "losing face" because Thailand has its own dignity, saying the problem was initiated by the Cambodian government and should be ended by Phnom Penh.

Mr Kasit also denied a news report that the Thai foreign ministry has submitted a letter to the Cambodian government calling for Mr Thaksin's dismissal, saying that the ministry has already disclosed what it had done, and that it has nothing to hide.

The foreign ministry has done everything in its power to help the detained Thai engineer being held in a Cambodian prison over spying charges and provided a lawyer for him, but the case must proceed under the Cambodian judicial process, he said.

Diplomatic ties between Thailand and Cambodia worsened after the Cambodian government appointed the fugitive ex-Thai premier as its economic adviser and personal advider to Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen.

Both countries recalled their respective ambassadors in retaliatory action, while the Cambodian government rejected Thailand's request to extradite Mr Thaksin.

The Cambodian authorities then arrested Siwarak Chutipong, an employee of Cambodia Air Traffic Services (CATS), charging him with acquiring secret information considered to affecting Cambodia's national security after he was accused of releasing Thaksin Shinawatra's flight schedule to a Thai embassy official in Phnom Penh.

Meanwhile, Cambodian Defence Minister Gen Tea Banh who is now attending the Thai-Cambodian General Border Committee (GBC) meeting in the Thai seaside resort of Pattay southeast of Bangkok on Friday reiterated that legal action against Mr Siwarak will proceed under international legal practices and with fair treatment.

Gen Tea Banh expressed confidence that problems will be sorted out and Cambodia will not complicate the case of the Thai engineer by mixing it with other issues.

However, he said the period of detention depends on the legal procedure and the court ruling.

The Cambodian defence minister reasserted that the arrest of the Thai citizen has nothing to do with politics, but is because his actions are an offense under Cambodian law. (TNA)

-- TNA 2009/11/27

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[geovalin]

Anyway, it's useless for Cambodia to negotiate with this government. They are aggressive, want the war, do not negotiate frankly then do not keep their words.

Abi and the yellow shirt Kasit are useless and childish.

Just let's wait a real government.

No, no, I'm not a Taksin supporter. Not at all.

[Publicus]

This is the old politics as Surakiart was a TRT Thaksin FM. Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally. The Thai government is acting within its perogatives and in this instance is pursuing sound and rational policy. Stay the course.

[catmac]

This is the old politics as Surakiart was a TRT Thaksin FM. Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally. The Thai government is acting within its perogatives and in this instance is pursuing sound and rational policy. Stay the course.

Others see the present Thai government behaving like a spoilt schoolboy deprived of his favorite toy! If Cambodia, the UAE are indeed at the bottom ranking of governments globally, where do you see this present bunch of clowns that represent Thailand standing?

Problems are not solved by slouching in the corner sulking, nor by ripping up International agreements in a fit of pique, but by engaging in honest, frank discussion.

[Publicus]

This is the old politics as Surakiart was a TRT Thaksin FM. Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally. The Thai government is acting within its perogatives and in this instance is pursuing sound and rational policy. Stay the course.

Others see the present Thai government behaving like a spoilt schoolboy deprived of his favorite toy! If Cambodia, the UAE are indeed at the bottom ranking of governments globally, where do you see this present bunch of clowns that represent Thailand standing?

Problems are not solved by slouching in the corner sulking, nor by ripping up International agreements in a fit of pique, but by engaging in honest, frank discussion.

Honestly and frankly, not to mention rational to say, Thaksin, Hun Sen and the crown of Cambodia are off the wall in their behaviours. The threesome are engaging in actions that are undiplomatic and anti diplomatic, behaviours and actions that are menacing to Thailand. Cambodia's recent actions are irresponsible and destablizing.

The Abhisit government has made responses which are smooth, appropriate and in the interests of national security and stability.

[jamesjdaly]

.......Just let's wait a real government.......

Tell me, have you ever visited the planet earth?

[321niti123]

This is the old politics as Surakiart was a TRT Thaksin FM. Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally. The Thai government is acting within its perogatives and in this instance is pursuing sound and rational policy. Stay the course.

Others see the present Thai government behaving like a spoilt schoolboy deprived of his favorite toy! If Cambodia, the UAE are indeed at the bottom ranking of governments globally, where do you see this present bunch of clowns that represent Thailand standing?

Problems are not solved by slouching in the corner sulking, nor by ripping up International agreements in a fit of pique, but by engaging in honest, frank discussion.

Honestly and frankly, not to mention rational to say, Thaksin, Hun Sen and the crown of Cambodia are off the wall in their behaviours. The threesome are engaging in actions that are undiplomatic and anti diplomatic, behaviours and actions that are menacing to Thailand. Cambodia's recent actions are irresponsible and destablizing.

The Abhisit government has made responses which are smooth, appropriate and in the interests of national security and stability.

Lets just agree that both governments have not matured, they are still the little toddlers they always were. Cambodia should not have picked a fight, they knew that there would be problems when they appointed, they've seen what could happen [the airports, the bombs, songkran, etc], but still they didnt use their god given common sense. And thailand still cannot be calm and THINK for once in the history of the thai government, if thay calm down, sit down, think, create a plan, and initiate negotiations, i think the world would view thailand as a more mature country. But as we have witnessed the, the intelligence of both countries has not and probably will not increase for a very long time.

[Publicus]

This is the old politics as Surakiart was a TRT Thaksin FM. Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally. The Thai government is acting within its perogatives and in this instance is pursuing sound and rational policy. Stay the course.

Others see the present Thai government behaving like a spoilt schoolboy deprived of his favorite toy! If Cambodia, the UAE are indeed at the bottom ranking of governments globally, where do you see this present bunch of clowns that represent Thailand standing?

Problems are not solved by slouching in the corner sulking, nor by ripping up International agreements in a fit of pique, but by engaging in honest, frank discussion.

Honestly and frankly, not to mention rational to say, Thaksin, Hun Sen and the crown of Cambodia are off the wall in their behaviours. The threesome are engaging in actions that are undiplomatic and anti diplomatic, behaviours and actions that are menacing to Thailand. Cambodia's recent actions are irresponsible and destablizing.

The Abhisit government has made responses which are smooth, appropriate and in the interests of national security and stability.

Lets just agree that both governments have not matured, they are still the little toddlers they always were. Cambodia should not have picked a fight, they knew that there would be problems when they appointed, they've seen what could happen [the airports, the bombs, songkran, etc], but still they didnt use their god given common sense. And thailand still cannot be calm and THINK for once in the history of the thai government, if thay calm down, sit down, think, create a plan, and initiate negotiations, i think the world would view thailand as a more mature country. But as we have witnessed the, the intelligence of both countries has not and probably will not increase for a very long time.

Along the line of your most recent balanced comments about intelligence and common sense in Cambodia and Thailand, do you think that if 5 million Thais were to relocate to Cambodia the national IQ level of Thailand would increase or the national IQ level of Cambodia would decrease? Perhaps remain stable, eh?

Anyway, I continue to see that Cambodia with Thaksin is the initiator of this calamity because Hun Sen is not Abhisit.

[caf]

This is the old politics as Surakiart was a TRT Thaksin FM. Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally. The Thai government is acting within its perogatives and in this instance is pursuing sound and rational policy. Stay the course.

Others see the present Thai government behaving like a spoilt schoolboy deprived of his favorite toy! If Cambodia, the UAE are indeed at the bottom ranking of governments globally, where do you see this present bunch of clowns that represent Thailand standing?

Problems are not solved by slouching in the corner sulking, nor by ripping up International agreements in a fit of pique, but by engaging in honest, frank discussion.

Honestly and frankly, not to mention rational to say, Thaksin, Hun Sen and the crown of Cambodia are off the wall in their behaviours. The threesome are engaging in actions that are undiplomatic and anti diplomatic, behaviours and actions that are menacing to Thailand. Cambodia's recent actions are irresponsible and destablizing.

The Abhisit government has made responses which are smooth, appropriate and in the interests of national security and stability.

Ripping up international agreements and not engaging in sensible discussion is hardly a smooth and appropriate response in the interests of national security and stability is it, publicus?

[Splatter]

If Thaksin is such a poor leader, an awful politician and hopeless in government

(as I believe the Democrats think)

then surely

NOW is the time to neogtiate for Thailand to negotiate with Cambodia.

Think of the easy wins.

(By the way, I'm being sarcastic. Or am I?)

Edited November 27, 2009 by Splatter

[Publicus]

This is the old politics as Surakiart was a TRT Thaksin FM. Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally. The Thai government is acting within its perogatives and in this instance is pursuing sound and rational policy. Stay the course.

Others see the present Thai government behaving like a spoilt schoolboy deprived of his favorite toy! If Cambodia, the UAE are indeed at the bottom ranking of governments globally, where do you see this present bunch of clowns that represent Thailand standing?

Problems are not solved by slouching in the corner sulking, nor by ripping up International agreements in a fit of pique, but by engaging in honest, frank discussion.

Honestly and frankly, not to mention rational to say, Thaksin, Hun Sen and the crown of Cambodia are off the wall in their behaviours. The threesome are engaging in actions that are undiplomatic and anti diplomatic, behaviours and actions that are menacing to Thailand. Cambodia's recent actions are irresponsible and destablizing.

The Abhisit government has made responses which are smooth, appropriate and in the interests of national security and stability.

Ripping up international agreements and not engaging in sensible discussion is hardly a smooth and appropriate response in the interests of national security and stability is it, publicus?

Caf, I'm sure you've noticed first hand that Thais slice paper pricisely, cleanly and neatly. They don't rip nor do they tear willy nilly. It's Thaksin and Hun Sen who are irresponsibily and like schoolboys freely, impishly and whistfully tossing international agreements to the winds and loving every minute of it.

[Orac]

Clearly this is just a piece of political posturing to appeal to nationalistic tendencies that, as usual, makes no sense.

The first part of the report is Kasit stating that Thailand will not open negotiations with Cambodia and the last part confirms that Thailand are hosting negotiations with Cambodia.

[LaoPo]

This is the old politics as Surakiart was a TRT Thaksin FM. Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally. The Thai government is acting within its perogatives and in this instance is pursuing sound and rational policy. Stay the course.

"Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally...?" (do you want to see photos of global leaders, all shaking hands, enthusiastically, with the Sheiks ?)

..hmmm.. maybe another Arab Emirate like Qatar isn't on your list of corrupt ratholes?

Thai PM wants more citizens working in Qatar

Web posted at: 11/27/2009 1:9:41

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_n...00911271941.xml

Qatar is ruled with total power in the hands of the absolute monarch, Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani; nice chap, who disposed his own father from power in 1995.

Apart from that it remains to be seen if the present number of 12,000 workers in Qatar will increase; the now exploded bubble of practically bankrupt Dubai is seeing planes full of people (including many Thai workers -10,000 in the UAE at the beginning fo this year) leaving the Arab Emirates, not full with arriving workers.

So: the remark of Minister of Foreign Affairs Kasit Piromya that NO negotiations should be opened with a "rathole" country is rather amusing if at the same time his own PM is talking nonsense about increasing the number of workers in (a rathole country) Doha, isn't it ?

"Stay the course"...what a nonsense; you're clearly not a politician but rather a hardliner, aren't you Publicus ?

Ever heard of CONSENSUS in politics ?

But, I'm sure you will disagree with this as I never noticed anything by you, opening up for someone else's opinion, and that says more about you than the other posters

LaoPo

Edited November 27, 2009 by LaoPo

[rainman]

In English: "I won't play with you anymore until you give me my little red car back!"

[Publicus]

This is the old politics as Surakiart was a TRT Thaksin FM. Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally. The Thai government is acting within its perogatives and in this instance is pursuing sound and rational policy. Stay the course.

"Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally...?" (do you want to see photos of global leaders, all shaking hands, enthusiastically, with the Sheiks ?)

..hmmm.. maybe another Arab Emirate like Qatar isn't on your list of corrupt ratholes?

Thai PM wants more citizens working in Qatar

Web posted at: 11/27/2009 1:9:41

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_n...00911271941.xml

Qatar is ruled with total power in the hands of the absolute monarch, Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani; nice chap, who disposed his own father from power in 1995.

Apart from that it remains to be seen if the present number of 12,000 workers in Qatar will increase; the now exploded bubble of practically bankrupt Dubai is seeing planes full of people (including many Thai workers -10,000 in the UAE at the beginning fo this year) leaving the Arab Emirates, not full with arriving workers.

So: the remark of Minister of Foreign Affairs Kasit Piromya that NO negotiations should be opened with a "rathole" country is rather amusing if at the same time his own PM is talking nonsense about increasing the number of workers in (a rathole country) Doha, isn't it ?

"Stay the course"...what a nonsense; you're clearly not a politician but rather a hardliner, aren't you Publicus ?

Ever heard of CONSENSUS in politics ?

But, I'm sure you will disagree with this as I never noticed anything by you, opening up for someone else's opinion, and that says more about you than the other posters

LaoPo

My god.

My statement was about the UAE and Cambodia only. Everyone knows the UAE is where Thakki has been hanging out in its northern city of Dubai. Everyone knows Cambodia is Thaksin's new base of insurrection in SE Asia.

However, now you have gone greatly far afield to try to intersperse my statement about the UAE with Kasit's statements about Doha, while also throwing in yet another Gulf state Qatar, about which the PM has made his own remarks. Neither Doha nor Qatar are housing Kuhn Takki. UAE is doing so to its great fudiciary gain and benefit, and UAE is the focus of my remarks and in the Gulf is the only Gulf state I've referenced.

For instance, you state that "the statement of Foreign Affairs [Minister] Kasit Piromya

that NO negotiations should be opened with a rathole [my word] country is rather amusing at the same time his own PM is talking nonsense about increasing the number of workers in (a rathole country) Doha isn't it?" Kasit referred to Doha as a "rathole country"? He most certainly did not, I did.

I know consensus and compromise but I also know wild and irresponsible attempts to take a point I made far afield, and so far afield and incredulously that I dignify your mangled and convoluted post by even responding to it. Your post is not only rediculous, it is assinine [sic].

Good nite.

[Jingthing]

I do think Cambodia is playing with fire. Becoming an ally with an active fugitive revolutionary Thai leader associated with violence is indeed an act of aggression against Thailand. What did they expect? A sensible neighboring government would have remained entirely neutral in a soft civil war type conflict if they didn't wish to get involved. They have taken a side, it is their right; however, there are consequences. Welcome to the real world.

Edited November 27, 2009 by Jingthing

[dumball]

Thai are doing the same thing to Thai , playing with fire in acts of aggression against Thailand , so what do they expect ? They achieved what they set out to do , the PM ran away with his tail between his legs in the country he is supposed to advise and control the general populace . He should take a page out of 'Winnies ' book , he went to foreign shores to face a deadly enemy in support of his troops , now that was a prime minister people admired .

What was it we were talking about ? Ah yes , how to set an example to your people in times of adversity .

[wilbert]

This is the old politics as Surakiart was a TRT Thaksin FM. Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally. The Thai government is acting within its perogatives and in this instance is pursuing sound and rational policy. Stay the course.

The MoU, dated 18 June 2001, which has been scrapped was actually signed by then-Foreign Minister Surakiart Sathirathai during the Thaksin administration.

He is at the heart of the Burma-Exim Bank loan scandal in that ongoing case as one of the main negotiators of that deal that netted Thaksin billions.

He is also involved in the ongoing Airport CTX scandal case.

To reward him for his aforementioned abilities, Thaksin nominated him in 2006 for the United Nations Secretary-General position, which was an abysmal failure.

He was also Finance Minister during the Barnhan administration and is involved in the current Saxena bank scandal case.

but hey... let's take his "advice" seriously...

[LaoPo]

My god.

My statement was about the UAE and Cambodia only. Everyone knows the UAE is where Thakki has been hanging out in its northern city of Dubai. Everyone knows Cambodia is Thaksin's new base of insurrection in SE Asia.

However, now you have gone greatly far afield to try to intersperse my statement about the UAE with Kasit's statements about Doha, while also throwing in yet another Gulf state Qatar, about which the PM has made his own remarks. Neither Doha nor Qatar are housing Kuhn Takki. UAE is doing so to its great fudiciary gain and benefit, and UAE is the focus of my remarks and in the Gulf is the only Gulf state I've referenced.

For instance, you state that "the statement of Foreign Affairs [Minister] Kasit Piromya

that NO negotiations should be opened with a rathole [my word] country is rather amusing at the same time his own PM is talking nonsense about increasing the number of workers in (a rathole country) Doha isn't it?" Kasit referred to Doha as a "rathole country"? He most certainly did not, I did.

I know consensus and compromise but I also know wild and irresponsible attempts to take a point I made far afield, and so far afield and incredulously that I dignify your mangled and convoluted post by even responding to it. Your post is not only rediculous, it is assinine [sic].

Good nite.

I suggest you read my post -as well as your reply- again and think a little before you answer.

Maybe also study the UAE a bit (which consists of 7 States/Emirates; Dubai, being one of them) ?

And, Sir, for someone who teaches English (and also trying to impress other members with your "chique" non-common English words*) I suggest you install a spell checker on your computer; I really hope, for the sake of your students, you don't make so many writing mistakes, teaching English at a Chinese University

And, English is not even my Mother's tongue.

* to name a few words you're using which are not commonly used on day-to-day forums:

- incredulously

- convoluted

- insurrection

- intersperse

But: I have to admit, this sentence is beautiful: ...."....I dignify your mangled and convoluted post..."

You made my day

LaoPo

[caf]

This is the old politics as Surakiart was a TRT Thaksin FM. Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally. The Thai government is acting within its perogatives and in this instance is pursuing sound and rational policy. Stay the course.

"Cambodia, as with the UAE and other corrupt ratholes are in the bottom rankings of governments globally...?" (do you want to see photos of global leaders, all shaking hands, enthusiastically, with the Sheiks ?)

..hmmm.. maybe another Arab Emirate like Qatar isn't on your list of corrupt ratholes?

Thai PM wants more citizens working in Qatar

Web posted at: 11/27/2009 1:9:41

http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Display_n...00911271941.xml

Qatar is ruled with total power in the hands of the absolute monarch, Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al-Thani; nice chap, who disposed his own father from power in 1995.

Apart from that it remains to be seen if the present number of 12,000 workers in Qatar will increase; the now exploded bubble of practically bankrupt Dubai is seeing planes full of people (including many Thai workers -10,000 in the UAE at the beginning fo this year) leaving the Arab Emirates, not full with arriving workers.

So: the remark of Minister of Foreign Affairs Kasit Piromya that NO negotiations should be opened with a "rathole" country is rather amusing if at the same time his own PM is talking nonsense about increasing the number of workers in (a rathole country) Doha, isn't it ?

"Stay the course"...what a nonsense; you're clearly not a politician but rather a hardliner, aren't you Publicus ?

Ever heard of CONSENSUS in politics ?

But, I'm sure you will disagree with this as I never noticed anything by you, opening up for someone else's opinion, and that says more about you than the other posters

LaoPo

My god.

My statement was about the UAE and Cambodia only. Everyone knows the UAE is where Thakki has been hanging out in its northern city of Dubai. Everyone knows Cambodia is Thaksin's new base of insurrection in SE Asia.

However, now you have gone greatly far afield to try to intersperse my statement about the UAE with Kasit's statements about Doha, while also throwing in yet another Gulf state Qatar, about which the PM has made his own remarks. Neither Doha nor Qatar are housing Kuhn Takki. UAE is doing so to its great fudiciary gain and benefit, and UAE is the focus of my remarks and in the Gulf is the only Gulf state I've referenced.

For instance, you state that "the statement of Foreign Affairs [Minister] Kasit Piromya

that NO negotiations should be opened with a rathole [my word] country is rather amusing at the same time his own PM is talking nonsense about increasing the number of workers in (a rathole country) Doha isn't it?" Kasit referred to Doha as a "rathole country"? He most certainly did not, I did.

I know consensus and compromise but I also know wild and irresponsible attempts to take a point I made far afield, and so far afield and incredulously that I dignify your mangled and convoluted post by even responding to it. Your post is not only rediculous, it is assinine [sic].

Good nite.

You mentioned your academic and lifetime experiences and achievements in an earlier thread. Have you ever considered a course in anger management.

( PS Laopo, are you sure he teaches English. I would not have thought so reading his posts)

Edited November 28, 2009 by caf

[dr_Pat_Pong]

Teaches English.

[jayboy]

I do think Cambodia is playing with fire. Becoming an ally with an active fugitive revolutionary Thai leader associated with violence is indeed an act of aggression against Thailand. What did they expect? A sensible neighboring government would have remained entirely neutral in a soft civil war type conflict if they didn't wish to get involved. They have taken a side, it is their right; however, there are consequences. Welcome to the real world.

I agree.The worst case scenario is that Thailand could administer the Cambodians a military lesson they'll never forget.Last time (1987/8 border dispute) a smaller neigbour, Laos in that instance, faced the military might of Thailand's army...oh well perhaps on reflection that's not the best example since the Thailand army got a bloody nose.Oh well you get the general point.

[LawnGnome]

I do think Cambodia is playing with fire. Becoming an ally with an active fugitive revolutionary Thai leader associated with violence is indeed an act of aggression against Thailand. What did they expect? A sensible neighboring government would have remained entirely neutral in a soft civil war type conflict if they didn't wish to get involved. They have taken a side, it is their right; however, there are consequences. Welcome to the real world.

I agree.The worst case scenario is that Thailand could administer the Cambodians a military lesson they'll never forget.Last time (1987/8 border dispute) a smaller neigbour, Laos in that instance, faced the military might of Thailand's army...oh well perhaps on reflection that's not the best example since the Thailand army got a bloody nose.Oh well you get the general point.

Who is talking about military actions. Economic disassociation will hurt Cambodia far more. Frankly I dont' think worsened relations with a warlord like Hun Sen are all that much to cry about. The man is up to his neck in death from his Khmer Rouge days.

[LawnGnome]

Anyway, it's useless for Cambodia to negotiate with this government. They are aggressive, want the war, do not negotiate frankly then do not keep their words.

Abi and the yellow shirt Kasit are useless and childish.

Just let's wait a real government.

No, no, I'm not a Taksin supporter. Not at all.

Cite examples that the government "Wants war". And do not keep there word.

I'll wait....

[ballpoint]

Who is talking about military actions. Economic disassociation will hurt Cambodia far more. Frankly I dont' think worsened relations with a warlord like Hun Sen are all that much to cry about. The man is up to his neck in death from his Khmer Rouge days.

Indeed, it's most comical to see the usual Takki fan club on here decrying "illegal coups" and "installed goverments" in one thread and cosying up to the installed leader next door on another. Ironic indeed when the process by which Thailand got its current government was far more democratic than that which Cambodia underwent when its was installed. No doubt, should Burma offer sanctuary to Takki, they'll all be on here praising the Burmese Junta's human rights record and right to rule.

Edited November 28, 2009 by ballpoint

[hammered]

I do think Cambodia is playing with fire. Becoming an ally with an active fugitive revolutionary Thai leader associated with violence is indeed an act of aggression against Thailand. What did they expect? A sensible neighboring government would have remained entirely neutral in a soft civil war type conflict if they didn't wish to get involved. They have taken a side, it is their right; however, there are consequences. Welcome to the real world.

I agree.The worst case scenario is that Thailand could administer the Cambodians a military lesson they'll never forget.Last time (1987/8 border dispute) a smaller neigbour, Laos in that instance, faced the military might of Thailand's army...oh well perhaps on reflection that's not the best example since the Thailand army got a bloody nose.Oh well you get the general point.

And yet Chavalit is still regarded as a military genius by some delusional dolts albeit not by the families whose sons came back in bits and who can also explain why the debacle occurred and how a certain family had benefitted financially from what wasnt available to the Thai troops, but ho hum.

Back to topic, noting Chavalit also initally fired this one up, Havent Cambodia also been giving refuge to certain people for a while now. The golf club photo is oft cited (confirmation anyone) and Jakrapob has oft been said to be there.

None of the useless Thai media or equally abysmal Thai poltical blogosphere even bother mentioning how having an annoying Thai enemy next to you distracts from the interesting occurences involving Cambodian farmers land and Vietnam which happens to be both Hun Sen's major backer in the region and also a political thorn in his side internally where they are also a tradtional enemy. Still guess Hun Sen can just force his political opponents into refugee status in Europe without anyone noticing ever sonce his little coup wrecked any form of parliamentary opposition. Quite interesting how any analysis can be formed or policy planned when the whole context is not even examined as it doesnt fit the trite and simplistic belief based poltical musings of any of the players in the little Thai power struggle.

While it suits people to be enemies it will continue so, and right now there are more than a few sides that benefit providing it doesnt get too out of control.

[ballpoint]

Others see the present Thai government behaving like a spoilt schoolboy deprived of his favorite toy! If Cambodia, the UAE are indeed at the bottom ranking of governments globally, where do you see this present bunch of clowns that represent Thailand standing?

Problems are not solved by slouching in the corner sulking, nor by ripping up International agreements in a fit of pique, but by engaging in honest, frank discussion.

Others? Please tell me what a mature country would do under the same circumstances? Indeed, what is a mature country?

The UK? When Argentina said the islands off its coast should belong to it, did the UK sit down and talk? No, it sailed men halfway around the world at a cost of thousands of lives and billions of dollars and took its toy back.

the US? When Afghanistan refused to hand over Osama Bin Ladan, did it engage in honest, frank discussion? I don't seem to recall that happening. Did it sit back and negotiate with Chile, Vietnam, Iraq, Nicaragua et al when it disagreed with their governments?

France? When Vietnam and Algeria said enough of your rule, did it ....

Russia? When Georgia.....

You should get the picture. When compared to the so called "great democracies of the west" Thailand has been very restrained in its reactions against the provocations of Hun Sen.

[h90]

Others see the present Thai government behaving like a spoilt schoolboy deprived of his favorite toy! If Cambodia, the UAE are indeed at the bottom ranking of governments globally, where do you see this present bunch of clowns that represent Thailand standing?

Problems are not solved by slouching in the corner sulking, nor by ripping up International agreements in a fit of pique, but by engaging in honest, frank discussion.

Others? Please tell me what a mature country would do under the same circumstances? Indeed, what is a mature country?

The UK? When Argentina said the islands off its coast should belong to it, did the UK sit down and talk? No, it sailed men halfway around the world at a cost of thousands of lives and billions of dollars and took its toy back.

the US? When Afghanistan refused to hand over Osama Bin Ladan, did it engage in honest, frank discussion? I don't seem to recall that happening. Did it sit back and negotiate with Chile, Vietnam, Iraq, Nicaragua et al when it disagreed with their governments?

France? When Vietnam and Algeria said enough of your rule, did it ....

Russia? When Georgia.....

You should get the picture. When compared to the so called "great democracies of the west" Thailand has been very restrained in its reactions against the provocations of Hun Sen.

Afghanistan was a different thing. As Afghanistan told they will hand over Osama Bin Laden if USA can show any proof that he is involved. Instead they attacked, so it wasn't an immature action, the Bin Laden things was just a story to justify to conquer that country.

But all the Russian/Georgia conflicts are excellent examples.

[caf]

Others see the present Thai government behaving like a spoilt schoolboy deprived of his favorite toy! If Cambodia, the UAE are indeed at the bottom ranking of governments globally, where do you see this present bunch of clowns that represent Thailand standing?

Problems are not solved by slouching in the corner sulking, nor by ripping up International agreements in a fit of pique, but by engaging in honest, frank discussion.

Others? Please tell me what a mature country would do under the same circumstances? Indeed, what is a mature country?

The UK? When Argentina said the islands off its coast should belong to it, did the UK sit down and talk? No, it sailed men halfway around the world at a cost of thousands of lives and billions of dollars and took its toy back.

the US? When Afghanistan refused to hand over Osama Bin Ladan, did it engage in honest, frank discussion? I don't seem to recall that happening. Did it sit back and negotiate with Chile, Vietnam, Iraq, Nicaragua et al when it disagreed with their governments?

France? When Vietnam and Algeria said enough of your rule, did it ....

Russia? When Georgia.....

You should get the picture. When compared to the so called "great democracies of the west" Thailand has been very restrained in its reactions against the provocations of Hun Sen.

Check your facts. The Uk held talks with argentina before despatching troops. Activation occured when teh argentinians stormed teh governor's residence during the talks. Even then talks wenr on until the last minute.

Out of interest, what was your source?

[ballpoint]

Check your facts. The Uk held talks with argentina before despatching troops. Activation occured when teh argentinians stormed teh governor's residence during the talks. Even then talks wenr on until the last minute.

Out of interest, what was your source?

My sources were the daily news clips of boats being sunk and harriers flying about. Pray tell me, where did all the polite negotiating get the UK government? Are you denying the war ever took place? Didn't the Thai government ask Hun Sen not to give the job to Thaksin before it took any action? Wasn't it only after they thumbed their noses at Thailand that the diplomatic argie bargie (no pun intended) began? Borges described the Falklands war as "two bald men fighting over a comb". In this case it's two figuratively bald men, Hun Sen and Thaksin, trying to break Thailand's comb because they're jealous of its full head of hair.

Edited November 28, 2009 by ballpoint