2nd Hand Car Prices

[ignis]

With the prevailing thought being upside down here I wouldn't count on anything that's not Japanese depreciating at a lesser rate regardless of where it was made..

Couldn't decipher that: too many negatives for my tired brain to disentangle.

I think I know what is meant..

Take Ford & Mazda cars… Say Mazda 3 and Ford Focus, they are both made at the same place in the Philippians, basically are the same car, there the same spec the same price new, just different bodies. In 2 years the Ford has lost 100k more than the Mazda here.. goes the same with most of the range

Mazda name is Japanese is the only reason I can see it is more expensive 2nd hand here…

[lotus eater]

With the prevailing thought being upside down here I wouldn't count on anything that's not Japanese depreciating at a lesser rate regardless of where it was made..

Couldn't decipher that: too many negatives for my tired brain to disentangle.

I think I know what is meant..

Take Ford & Mazda cars… Say Mazda 3 and Ford Focus, they are both made at the same place in the Philippians, basically are the same car, there the same spec the same price new, just different bodies. In 2 years the Ford has lost 100k more than the Mazda here.. goes the same with most of the range

Mazda name is Japanese is the only reason I can see it is more expensive 2nd hand here…

Well, looking at his sentence with a school master's eye, if he had written "...depreciating at a faster rate..." it might have made sense to me.

You're right fundamentally about Ford and Mazda prices except that they have a clearly different design of the body and thais (and many farang) may consider the Mazda more attractive.

[WarpSpeed]

With the prevailing thought being upside down here I wouldn't count on anything that's not Japanese depreciating at a lesser rate regardless of where it was made..

Couldn't decipher that: too many negatives for my tired brain to disentangle.

I think I know what is meant..

Take Ford & Mazda cars… Say Mazda 3 and Ford Focus, they are both made at the same place in the Philippians, basically are the same car, there the same spec the same price new, just different bodies. In 2 years the Ford has lost 100k more than the Mazda here.. goes the same with most of the range

Mazda name is Japanese is the only reason I can see it is more expensive 2nd hand here…

Thank you Ignis you're quite correct and the sentence wasn't necessary to be torn down by a school "masters eye" whatever since I'm not in grammar class here, I'll keep that in mind though the next time Lotus asks for advice especially after going out of my way to pop in and see his progress and posting after a long hard day.. And moreover that applies even more so to the European models where you pay so much more initially due to taxes, etc. in spite of much higher quality and then they depreciate at a far greater rate instead of holding their value like Japanese cars and that is more due to the prevailing thinking of the market (Thai's) then it has anything to do with any other factors...Bottom line they just don't understand REAL market value of European models versus Japanese.. That's what is meant by upside down thought prevailing here as opposed to anywhere in the modern world..

There really wasn't anything wrong with the sentence except his inability to comprehend English that requires a bit of extra thought.. Supposed to have a "masters eye" and yet can't even comprehend a simple sentence without hand holding and translation ..

[ignis]

Thank you Ignis you're quite correct and the sentence wasn't necessary to be torn down by a school "masters eye" whatever since I'm not in grammar class here, I'll keep that in mind though the next time Lotus asks for advice especially after going out of my way to pop in and see his progress and posting after a long hard day.. And moreover that applies even more so to the European models where you pay so much more initially due to taxes, etc. in spite of much higher quality and then they depreciate at a far greater rate instead of holding their value like Japanese cars and that is more due to the prevailing thinking of the market (Thai's) then it has anything to do with any other factors...Bottom line they just don't understand REAL market value of European models versus Japanese.. That's what is meant by upside down thought prevailing here as opposed to anywhere in the modern world..

There really wasn't anything wrong with the sentence except his inability to comprehend English that requires a bit of extra thought.. Supposed to have a "masters eye" and yet can't even comprehend a simple sentence without hand holding and translation ..

I have a older Audi A6..

2 years ago when I bought it it was sat next to a Toyota Corolla... both were the same year and the same price... yet new the Audi was 1.4 million more than the Corolla...

I did look for over 3 months to replace my Jazz, looked at local/Japanese and European models, mostly 10+ year old European models were all one owner from new, the km reading was a lot lower and in better condition + all the extras over a local built car. There again it would have been a different type of person buying a 1.9 million car, than the person that bought the 500k new Corolla

[WarpSpeed]

Yep.... Exactly!.....And because to a certain extent the service and parts are at a bit higher premium the owners tend to (for the most part) take better care of them and pay for it over the usual Toyota etc. in which every single corner shop and their drunken uncle works on them..

[lotus eater]

With the prevailing thought being upside down here I wouldn't count on anything that's not Japanese depreciating at a lesser rate regardless of where it was made..

Couldn't decipher that: too many negatives for my tired brain to disentangle.

I think I know what is meant..

Take Ford & Mazda cars… Say Mazda 3 and Ford Focus, they are both made at the same place in the Philippians, basically are the same car, there the same spec the same price new, just different bodies. In 2 years the Ford has lost 100k more than the Mazda here.. goes the same with most of the range

Mazda name is Japanese is the only reason I can see it is more expensive 2nd hand here…

Thank you Ignis you're quite correct and the sentence wasn't necessary to be torn down by a school "masters eye" whatever since I'm not in grammar class here, I'll keep that in mind though the next time Lotus asks for advice especially after going out of my way to pop in and see his progress and posting after a long hard day.. And moreover that applies even more so to the European models where you pay so much more initially due to taxes, etc. in spite of much higher quality and then they depreciate at a far greater rate instead of holding their value like Japanese cars and that is more due to the prevailing thinking of the market (Thai's) then it has anything to do with any other factors...Bottom line they just don't understand REAL market value of European models versus Japanese.. That's what is meant by upside down thought prevailing here as opposed to anywhere in the modern world..

There really wasn't anything wrong with the sentence except his inability to comprehend English that requires a bit of extra thought.. Supposed to have a "masters eye" and yet can't even comprehend a simple sentence without hand holding and translation ..

Though you are provocative I will not take part in a childish exchange. I will assume I misread the attitude behind your prior remarks and suggest we return to a courteous tone.

[lotus eater]

I have a older Audi A6..

2 years ago when I bought it it was sat next to a Toyota Corolla... both were the same year and the same price... yet new the Audi was 1.4 million more than the Corolla...

I did look for over 3 months to replace my Jazz, looked at local/Japanese and European models, mostly 10+ year old European models were all one owner from new, the km reading was a lot lower and in better condition + all the extras over a local built car. There again it would have been a different type of person buying a 1.9 million car, than the person that bought the 500k new Corolla

That is the sort of buy I want to make. Where did you find your audi: a website, a 2nd hand sales dealer? If I may make use of your 3 months' experience what sort of price would you budget for a car such as yours or an A4 today, still around 1.9 million? Do you have your own particular access to expert maintenance - and if not have you found that a nuisance or especially expensive? What is the maximum age of Audi would you recommend for someone who has no desire to deal with too frequent mechanical problems (minor or major)? I assume you would strongly recommend a car which has had only one owner. I apologize for coming at you with many questions - of course you may answer as few as you wish.

From an initial look I've seen that an audi 4 that's not too old may be hard to find. But given that I want a european car I've decided to widen my search to other models such as bmw, volvo or even mercedes provided I get a good buy in all senses - primarily mechanical condition.

I'm hoping to gain from the quicker price depreciation of european cars which mitigates the initial higher tax. And I intend to keep it quite a while provided the car holds up.

[WarpSpeed]

Though you are provocative I will not take part in a childish exchange. I will assume I misread the attitude behind your prior remarks and suggest we return to a courteous tone.

Though you are being dismissive and condescending, I wasn't being provocative I was just responding to your tone not the other way around.. It always amazes me how someone casts the first stone and then runs in the house pointing fingers at others and calling THEM provocative..

[steelepulse]

I have a older Audi A6..

2 years ago when I bought it it was sat next to a Toyota Corolla... both were the same year and the same price... yet new the Audi was 1.4 million more than the Corolla...

I did look for over 3 months to replace my Jazz, looked at local/Japanese and European models, mostly 10+ year old European models were all one owner from new, the km reading was a lot lower and in better condition + all the extras over a local built car. There again it would have been a different type of person buying a 1.9 million car, than the person that bought the 500k new Corolla

That is the sort of buy I want to make. Where did you find your audi: a website, a 2nd hand sales dealer? If I may make use of your 3 months' experience what sort of price would you budget for a car such as yours or an A4 today, still around 1.9 million? Do you have your own particular access to expert maintenance - and if not have you found that a nuisance or especially expensive? What is the maximum age of Audi would you recommend for someone who has no desire to deal with too frequent mechanical problems (minor or major)? I assume you would strongly recommend a car which has had only one owner. I apologize for coming at you with many questions - of course you may answer as few as you wish.

From an initial look I've seen that an audi 4 that's not too old may be hard to find. But given that I want a european car I've decided to widen my search to other models such as bmw, volvo or even mercedes provided I get a good buy in all senses - primarily mechanical condition.

I'm hoping to gain from the quicker price depreciation of european cars which mitigates the initial higher tax. And I intend to keep it quite a while provided the car holds up.

Lotus,

You have looked at one2car.com and taladrod.com correct? I see 40 A6's and 36 A4's at one2 car ( all tents) while taladrod has slightly less. I'm sure some of these cars overlap however.

[lotus eater]

Lotus,

You have looked at one2car.com and taladrod.com correct? I see 40 A6's and 36 A4's at one2 car ( all tents) while taladrod has slightly less. I'm sure some of these cars overlap however.

Thanks for that information. I am lost with those sites for the moment because I don't know thai; but I will find someone who does and who can help me, soon enough.

I should say that with Audi I think I want a car not more than 4 years old.

[lotus eater]

Though you are provocative I will not take part in a childish exchange. I will assume I misread the attitude behind your prior remarks and suggest we return to a courteous tone.

Though you are being dismissive and condescending, I wasn't being provocative I was just responding to your tone not the other way around.. It always amazes me how someone casts the first stone and then runs in the house pointing fingers at others and calling THEM provocative..

I didn't intend to be either dismissive or condescending. Let's put this behind us, shall we?

[WarpSpeed]

Ok, I have used one2car with a translator such as Google translate and though it's rough, coupled with the pictures you can muddle through and it provides enough info to effectively navigate the site and make some basic decision..IN fact if you Google one2car it provides a "translate" option right next to the search results, click on that and your off to search the site..

[ignis]

That is the sort of buy I want to make. Where did you find your audi: a website, a 2nd hand sales dealer? If I may make use of your 3 months' experience what sort of price would you budget for a car such as yours or an A4 today

As I said before people that buy these cars appear to keep them for years, trying to think, If I can remember I did see a 2006 A4 for about 850k... In 2006 a A4 2.0 petrol automatic was about 3.3 million.

Lots of 1996 - 2002 For Sale + many or most of these were one owner cars [The A6 I have, the guy had owned it for 10 years] I went looking with an open mind, so sat in, looked at lots of different makes, test drove a few, in the end it came down to a Volvo or Audi, if I could have found one then a Saab 9-3.

As for where to look, sure look at the website, also look at the dealers/tents, not to far from me 15km north of Bang Yai, I drove down to the new South Bus station from there going south there are 100's, 7 km long on both sides of the road just full of tent sellers, some sites going back 6 roads

[lotus eater]

Ok, I have used one2car with a translator such as Google translate and though it's rough, coupled with the pictures you can muddle through and it provides enough info to effectively navigate the site and make some basic decision..IN fact if you Google one2car it provides a "translate" option right next to the search results, click on that and your off to search the site..

That's helpful. Thanks. You have gathered I'm not the brightest chap you've come across.

[lotus eater]

That is the sort of buy I want to make. Where did you find your audi: a website, a 2nd hand sales dealer? If I may make use of your 3 months' experience what sort of price would you budget for a car such as yours or an A4 today

As I said before people that buy these cars appear to keep them for years, trying to think, If I can remember I did see a 2006 A4 for about 850k... In 2006 a A4 2.0 petrol automatic was about 3.3 million.

Lots of 1996 - 2002 For Sale + many or most of these were one owner cars [The A6 I have, the guy had owned it for 10 years] I went looking with an open mind, so sat in, looked at lots of different makes, test drove a few, in the end it came down to a Volvo or Audi, if I could have found one then a Saab 9-3.

As for where to look, sure look at the website, also look at the dealers/tents, not to far from me 15km north of Bang Yai, I drove down to the new South Bus station from there going south there are 100's, 7 km long on both sides of the road just full of tent sellers, some sites going back 6 roads

A 2006 audi 4 in decent condition offered for 850k is a lot of depreciation working for the buyer, and would be just the ticket. (Unless there was a flaw in that car.) But anyway I am much encouraged. Thanks.

I assume there's always bargaining 'fat' in the price for these cars.

There is a gigantic Mercedes 2nf hand dealer here in Chaingmai, I'll pop in there too - if only to get an idea of prices.

[ignis]

That is the sort of buy I want to make. Where did you find your audi: a website, a 2nd hand sales dealer? If I may make use of your 3 months' experience what sort of price would you budget for a car such as yours or an A4 today

As I said before people that buy these cars appear to keep them for years, trying to think, If I can remember I did see a 2006 A4 for about 850k... In 2006 a A4 2.0 petrol automatic was about 3.3 million.

Lots of 1996 - 2002 For Sale + many or most of these were one owner cars [The A6 I have, the guy had owned it for 10 years] I went looking with an open mind, so sat in, looked at lots of different makes, test drove a few, in the end it came down to a Volvo or Audi, if I could have found one then a Saab 9-3.

As for where to look, sure look at the website, also look at the dealers/tents, not to far from me 15km north of Bang Yai, I drove down to the new South Bus station from there going south there are 100's, 7 km long on both sides of the road just full of tent sellers, some sites going back 6 roads

A 2006 audi 4 in decent condition offered for 850k is a lot of depreciation working for the buyer, and would be just the ticket. (Unless there was a flaw in that car.) But anyway I am much encouraged. Thanks.

I assume there's always bargaining 'fat' in the price for these cars.

There is a gigantic Mercedes 2nf hand dealer here in Chaingmai, I'll pop in there too - if only to get an idea of prices.

The old 'E' 190 the 'C' class and the 'S' class were/are made in Thailand, but only some engine sizes, so these would have had a cheaper starting price, but you would need to know which models

Eg: The 4yr old 1.8 Mercedes-Benz C230 Kompressor was made in Thailand. but the 1.8 C 240 and 250 are inports... The 2006 'S' 280 + the 300 was/are made in Thailamd, the 320, 350 are imports. and so it goes on......... on say the 'S' class the difference on a 4 year old local and a 4yr old import is still 3million baht. Only when it comes to a 9 or 10yr old 280 [local built] or 320 [import] are they nearer the same price.

[lotus eater]

That is the sort of buy I want to make. Where did you find your audi: a website, a 2nd hand sales dealer? If I may make use of your 3 months' experience what sort of price would you budget for a car such as yours or an A4 today

As I said before people that buy these cars appear to keep them for years, trying to think, If I can remember I did see a 2006 A4 for about 850k... In 2006 a A4 2.0 petrol automatic was about 3.3 million.

Lots of 1996 - 2002 For Sale + many or most of these were one owner cars [The A6 I have, the guy had owned it for 10 years] I went looking with an open mind, so sat in, looked at lots of different makes, test drove a few, in the end it came down to a Volvo or Audi, if I could have found one then a Saab 9-3.

As for where to look, sure look at the website, also look at the dealers/tents, not to far from me 15km north of Bang Yai, I drove down to the new South Bus station from there going south there are 100's, 7 km long on both sides of the road just full of tent sellers, some sites going back 6 roads

A 2006 audi 4 in decent condition offered for 850k is a lot of depreciation working for the buyer, and would be just the ticket. (Unless there was a flaw in that car.) But anyway I am much encouraged. Thanks.

I assume there's always bargaining 'fat' in the price for these cars.

There is a gigantic Mercedes 2nf hand dealer here in Chaingmai, I'll pop in there too - if only to get an idea of prices.

The old 'E' 190 the 'C' class and the 'S' class were/are made in Thailand, but only some engine sizes, so these would have had a cheaper starting price, but you would need to know which models

Eg: The 4yr old 1.8 Mercedes-Benz C230 Kompressor was made in Thailand. but the 1.8 C 240 and 250 are inports... The 2006 'S' 280 + the 300 was/are made in Thailamd, the 320, 350 are imports. and so it goes on......... on say the 'S' class the difference on a 4 year old local and a 4yr old import is still 3million baht. Only when it comes to a 9 or 10yr old 280 [local built] or 320 [import] are they nearer the same price.

I wish you were in Chiangmai so I could somehow incentivize you to guide me to an actual purchase.

I did get through on the one2car site today but couldn't really find an audi a4 comparable to the one you gave as an example.

I'll be looking and enlisting a couple of thai friends to also ask around their friends. No mad rush. But I will put here anything I am offered for any comment you or anyone else may want to make.

Thanks again.

[ignis]

Have you thought about a Alfa Romeo 156 ?

There made in Thailand, and a brand new one cost 2 million. a 4 year old one is less then 1 million. Safer? well they have 12 airbags

[lotus eater]

Have you thought about a Alfa Romeo 156 ?

There made in Thailand, and a brand new one cost 2 million. a 4 year old one is less then 1 million. Safer? well they have 12 airbags

The prime criterion for me is the (european) car should, as much as possible for a car of that age, be mechanically reliable and if needing repair should have a competent garage available to me in Chiangmai. I gussed that audi, bmw, mecedes & volvo would fit that bill best.