Bangkok Residents Become Hostages To Red-Shirt Anarchy

[Thanh-BKK]

Hi.

This reply is solely for a user named LevelHead, and i am trying hard not to let it become a flame.

You tell people "go and learn about democracy". At the same time you say that the mob out there is "fighting for democracy".

My friend, i clearly tell you, it is YOU who has to learn a thing or two about democracy.

As to TRT/PPP, they won elections, yes. And they have been disbanded. Did you ever bother checking WHY they both were disbanded..? Correct, electoral fraud. That is, bribing people to vote for them, or, more commonly known as "vote buying". Which is NOT democratic, not the least bit. If you simply pay everyone to vote for you, you don't need a mandate or public support - all you need is a lot of money.

Thaksin has that money, and we all know how he got it - by robbing this very country left, right and center. By mis-using his position as prime minister after the very first and ONLY election that he actually won democratically - and where he very nearly failed right off the start by hiding his assets so clumsily that it was found out. Everyone heard about the often quoted "honest mistake" back then, and only money (as in "bribe the right people") had him keep his new post as prime minister.

From that very moment onward Thaksin's politics was populist - to win the support from the poor and lowly-educated (who are the easiest to reel in with even smallest amounts of money) while at the same time manifesting himself in such a way that a legal removal, be it through elections (more and well-organized, top-to bottom vote buying) nor impeachment ("you can't impeach me", to quote Thaksin himself, i remember that newspaper headline) or other means. He already had control over the police force by having his close friends in all required key positions, the only thing still missing was the army - which did the only thing left to get rid of him - the coup. While Thaksin was in power he threw lawsuits left and right, attempted (somewhat successful) to silence the media and had people overly critical "disappear". His ultimate goal? To be president/dictator of the "Republic of Thailand" on the day the unmentionable happens.

Isn't it a little contradictory that those red-shirted people out there cry "elite-this, elite-that" while their big idol, Thaksin, is a multi-billionaire and no doubt a representative of the very elite none of them will ever have access to? Isn't it him who had nothing to show, except for money?

Yet still the old machine is still running - Thaksin and his money creating mayhem, it is not those people forming the mob but their crazed leaders who are in direct contact with Thaksin to get their battle instructions live from Dubai, Montenegro or where ever. The same people who, pretty elite-ish, stay in air conditioned luxury hotels while their foot soldiers, those bused-in farmers from Isan and Chiang Mai, roam the streets in their red shirts that, ironically, read "Truth Today".

And please, stop going on about "double standards". Here, too, they all but contradict themselves by thinking they alone have the right to protest and state that the pink shirts, yellow shirts or regular Bangkok citizens should shut up, remove their banners and let the reds go where ever they want. If the reds can protest, so can the pinks or yellows or the nud_e ones. Everything else is, yes, double standards. The reds, occupying and terrorizing Bangkok since several weeks now with parades designed to do nothing but create traffic chaos and inconvenience, are after all the ones that managed to stop (under treat of violence!) a registered and permitted gay parade in Chiang Mai which would not have been as large as their own parade in Bangkok and would have taken place on a designated stretch of road cleared for said parade.

So please, LevelHead, go out there and check the reality. Mix with the crowd and talk to some of them. It is something which i did and got surprising answers regarding "Thaksin" and "Abhisit" and nope, i won't state them here because it is nobody's business. Just to let you know - it is YOUR image that is seriously flawed, specially your conception of "democracy".

Best regards......

Thanh

[TheOldWolf]

"After paralysing the capital's main shopping and luxury hotel district for the fourth day, UDD key leaders Nattawut Saikua, Jatuporn Prompan and Weng Tojirakarn told a news conference Tuesday evening after a tense day-long campaign against the government across the capital they will stay put at Ratchaprasong intersection and will intensify their moves Wednesday".

Where is Veera? Is he pushed aside by more hardcore leaders?

[moresomekl]

... when the business conglomerate get fed-up tomorrow, they have paid 150 millions for the connecting elevated platforms, they may hire private security to push them out of the area.

How about hiring the police , tired of paying tea money for speeding .

Am for rich policemen !!!!

[Thanh-BKK]

who's being hostaged? anybody? i want to see some show of hands! oh, i forgot! thousands of foreigners kept in Suvarnhabhumi against their will were hostaged by the yellow shirts with their still unpunished acts.

Hi.

Nobody was held hostage at the airport, everyone was free to leave. Some yellows have had their court cases, some are out merely on bail (just like some reds). And don't forget - it wasn't the yellows that halted operations at the airport but it was AoT, the responsible authority, which shut it down after the yellows protested in front of it. Exactly the same way those malls at Rajprasong close their doors now, voluntarily more or less, to prevent possible property damage.

And, sadly, the reds with their violence-demanding leaders are known to cause such damage at will. If you remember when the yellows left the airport they even cleaned it, not a scratch was on it and not a single can of soda stolen.

Best regards.....

Thanh

[kraxlhuber]

Once Songran arrives in 1 week, they will all go home and that will be the end of it.

Oh No, please leave them in Bangkok and surounding provinces.

If the come home ,frustrated,money spend,realizind that they have been"Had".

Going back on thaeir iron Buffaloes and sipping Lao kao, out of a 20 Baht plastic bag,

Yes thats what is about.

The hound of Baskerville,can piss on his own family tree,gotcha.

[moresomekl]

who's being hostaged? anybody? i want to see some show of hands! oh, i forgot! thousands of foreigners kept in Suvarnhabhumi against their will were hostaged by the yellow shirts with their still unpunished acts.

Hi.

Nobody was held hostage at the airport, everyone was free to leave. Some yellows have had their court cases, some are out merely on bail (just like some reds). And don't forget - it wasn't the yellows that halted operations at the airport but it was AoT, the responsible authority, which shut it down after the yellows protested in front of it. Exactly the same way those malls at Rajprasong close their doors now, voluntarily more or less, to prevent possible property damage.

And, sadly, the reds with their violence-demanding leaders are known to cause such damage at will. If you remember when the yellows left the airport they even cleaned it, not a scratch was on it and not a single can of soda stolen.

Best regards.....

Thanh

Yeah free to leave .... but not to their intended destination

[kraxlhuber]

who's being hostaged? anybody? i want to see some show of hands! oh, i forgot! thousands of foreigners kept in Suvarnhabhumi against their will were hostaged by the yellow shirts with their still unpunished acts.

Hi.

Nobody was held hostage at the airport, everyone was free to leave. Some yellows have had their court cases, some are out merely on bail (just like some reds). And don't forget - it wasn't the yellows that halted operations at the airport but it was AoT, the responsible authority, which shut it down after the yellows protested in front of it. Exactly the same way those malls at Rajprasong close their doors now, voluntarily more or less, to prevent possible property damage.

And, sadly, the reds with their violence-demanding leaders are known to cause such damage at will. If you remember when the yellows left the airport they even cleaned it, not a scratch was on it and not a single can of soda stolen.

Best regards.....

Thanh

Thanh,

being from Vietnam,does your povernment accept such behaviour from his citizen,

I dont think so,

neither does your new home in the USA.

[kraxlhuber]

who's being hostaged? anybody? i want to see some show of hands! oh, i forgot! thousands of foreigners kept in Suvarnhabhumi against their will were hostaged by the yellow shirts with their still unpunished acts.

Hi.

Nobody was held hostage at the airport, everyone was free to leave. Some yellows have had their court cases, some are out merely on bail (just like some reds). And don't forget - it wasn't the yellows that halted operations at the airport but it was AoT, the responsible authority, which shut it down after the yellows protested in front of it. Exactly the same way those malls at Rajprasong close their doors now, voluntarily more or less, to prevent possible property damage.

And, sadly, the reds with their violence-demanding leaders are known to cause such damage at will. If you remember when the yellows left the airport they even cleaned it, not a scratch was on it and not a single can of soda stolen.

Best regards.....

Thanh

Yeah free to leave .... but not to their intended destination

Morons,ye all.

the protesters in ocker color did nt even enter the airport,just blocking the acess to it,now you can wag your tongue or the tail (if any)

[BigBikeBKK]

Everyone push the ignore button. With no response maybe he will dissapear . Talking with yourself gets boring rather quickly!

Seriously where is this ignore button? Sorry but there are some real self deluded mental cases here who keep spouting the same lies and propaganda and I'm getting tired of seeing it. Thanks!

[philw]

who's being hostaged? anybody? i want to see some show of hands! oh, i forgot! thousands of foreigners kept in Suvarnhabhumi against their will were hostaged by the yellow shirts with their still unpunished acts.

The silent majority of the Thai people are getting BORED to death of these never ending Thaksin loving red cry babies. In Thai culture that is worse than getting hostaged (sic).

How do you know this ??

Any evidence ?

Exactly how are you privy to the thoughts of the "silent majority " of Thai people ??

I'm not taking the piss, I sincerely want to know how you are qualified to understand what the " Thai" majority think.

What is your source, please.

ph

[Jingthing]

I know. Trust me. Next ...

[moresomekl]

who's being hostaged? anybody? i want to see some show of hands! oh, i forgot! thousands of foreigners kept in Suvarnhabhumi against their will were hostaged by the yellow shirts with their still unpunished acts.

Hi.

Nobody was held hostage at the airport, everyone was free to leave. Some yellows have had their court cases, some are out merely on bail (just like some reds). And don't forget - it wasn't the yellows that halted operations at the airport but it was AoT, the responsible authority, which shut it down after the yellows protested in front of it. Exactly the same way those malls at Rajprasong close their doors now, voluntarily more or less, to prevent possible property damage.

And, sadly, the reds with their violence-demanding leaders are known to cause such damage at will. If you remember when the yellows left the airport they even cleaned it, not a scratch was on it and not a single can of soda stolen.

Best regards.....

Thanh

Yeah free to leave .... but not to their intended destination

Morons,ye all.

the protesters in ocker color did nt even enter the airport,just blocking the acess to it,now you can wag your tongue or the tail (if any)

Thats right , they did not occupy the landing strip

[AskTheCPT]

I read this in the paper paper today.

This writer is the Thai writer equivelent of Rush Limbaugh, Hannity or Bill O'rielly

Trash

I think that the reporting (Nation) is getting even more hostile than the actual demonstrations.

[elcent]

... when the business conglomerate get fed-up tomorrow, they have paid 150 millions for the connecting elevated platforms, they may hire private security to push them out of the area.

How about hiring the police , tired of paying tea money for speeding .

Am for rich policemen !!!!

greedy capitalists have their way without morals to get them if they want to. It not only would stir up violence but also will lead any and all investors to move without mercy. Maybe a few Montenegrians will want to try to hold on to the ruins, but will fail due to a lack of clients.

[tallfarang]

Have the red shirts mentioned what there plans are for tomorrow?

[commons]

who's being hostaged? anybody? i want to see some show of hands! oh, i forgot! thousands of foreigners kept in Suvarnhabhumi against their will were hostaged by the yellow shirts with their still unpunished acts.

The silent majority of the Thai people are getting BORED to death of these never ending Thaksin loving red cry babies. In Thai culture that is worse than getting hostaged (sic).

How do you know this ??

Any evidence ?

Exactly how are you privy to the thoughts of the "silent majority " of Thai people ??

I'm not taking the piss, I sincerely want to know how you are qualified to understand what the " Thai" majority think.

What is your source, please.

ph

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=108372992525155

rising rising rising... in 2 days from 170,000 to close to 200,000

[ratcatcher]

Yeah free to leave .... but not to their intended destination

Morons,ye all.

the protesters in ocker color did nt even enter the airport,just blocking the acess to it,now you can wag your tongue or the tail (if any)

Here is a photo of protesters in "ocker?" (yellow) NOT occupying Suvarnabhumi Airport in Dec 2008.

It was all smoke and mirrors, computer enhanced images. A mere figment of imagination.

[philw]

I know. Trust me. Next ...

Ho ho ho ho............

How do you know, oh great one ??

ph

[moresomekl]

Morons,ye all.

the protesters in ocker color did nt even enter the airport,just blocking the acess to it,now you can wag your tongue or the tail (if any)

Here is a photo of protesters in "ocker?" (yellow) NOT occupying Suvarnabhumi Airport in Dec 2008.

It was all smoke and mirrors, computer enhanced images. A mere figment of imagination.

Still not the landing strip

Ps : joke apart i think the yellows even went to the control tower

[philw]

Ps : joke apart i think the yellows even went to the control tower

Yes, I think you are right.

They got to the control tower.

Can't imagine the looney reds getting that far...........

There would,sadly, be a lot of blood on the streets before that happens again.

[moresomekl]

Ps : joke apart i think the yellows even went to the control tower

Yes, I think you are right.

They got to the control tower.

Can't imagine the looney reds getting that far...........

There would,sadly, be a lot of blood on the streets before that happens again.

If they attempted to do what the yellow did , i believe yes , it would turn violent

[Thanh-BKK]

Thanh,

being from Vietnam,does your povernment accept such behaviour from his citizen,

I dont think so,

neither does your new home in the USA.

Well.....

Does it help you when i say "wir koennen gern auch deutsch reden" (we could also talk German) if you are so quick in judging people by their name?

Matter of fact - i'm born and grown up in Germany, have never been to the U.S.A. and live in Thailand since December 2000, never been back to Europe and likely never will. I'm 1.93m (6'3") tall and blond with grey-blue eyes. Any more questions about the "Vietnamese in the U.S.A."?

Apart from that, yes of course the yellows besieged the airport, including tower and runways. However that was AFTER the AoT basically handed them the keys - their protest there was not to shut it down, just like the reds right now are not protesting there in order to have Central World close it's doors. Back to the yelows - once they were given the keys, i.e. fill access to the entire airport, obviously they used that access to besiege it. However they did not come up, machine gun in hand, demanding to be given the airport. They just went there to protest and things happened as they did. AoT sympathizing with the yellows? Likely.... after all, the railway workers did, too, and we almost had a citywide electricity outage as the electricity workers supported yellow, too (however didn't realize that feat due to the complications, i.e. hospitals etc).

That sort of support the reds will never get - i.e. real support from the broad public, including utilities or transport authorities. And what they don't have in real support they make up with treats of violence.

Best regards.....

Thanh

Edited April 6, 2010 by Thanh-BKK

[moresomekl]

The silent majority of the Thai people are getting BORED to death of these never ending Thaksin loving red cry babies. In Thai culture that is worse than getting hostaged (sic).

How do you know this ??

Any evidence ?

Exactly how are you privy to the thoughts of the "silent majority " of Thai people ??

I'm not taking the piss, I sincerely want to know how you are qualified to understand what the " Thai" majority think.

What is your source, please.

ph

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=108372992525155

rising rising rising... in 2 days from 170,000 to close to 200,000

While i happen to agree that dissolution of the parliament now in my opinion would only add to the chaos , perhaps you may consider

visiting the thai countryside and ask the farmers there , what they think , they are more then 200,000 you know .

Their view might be somewhat different

[hammered]

Maybe the government of national unity is going to be tried

[elcent]

the business and tourist center was thought out by Thaksin, wake up people, he's the one pulling the strings, probably with his buddies from .............. (fill in the blank). He wants to destroy Thailands economy. He's a Nero.

I think the business community will give the gov an ultimatum or pay for the loss and/or take the issues in their own hands.

Don't listen to that squabbling on the stages, it's just the front of a deeper action planned together with some communists and ............ (fill in the blank) arranged by Thaksin (in Montenegro comes to mind). It would not make any difference if the gov dissolved now, troubles would still continue and increase.

Remember the soothings in the stock market and then the move to the business center? Think twice. Thaksin is a villain of the worst sort. Don't underestimate a rat in the corner.

[Insight]

Maybe the government of national unity is going to be tried

Know something we don't? (but probably will this time tomorrow )

[elcent]

forget about Thaksin, he's running on a triple mood standard.

Yeah, this Thaksin calling the courts biased, but using the same to sue even now. Think about.

[trucking]

At the weekend virtually all the big stores in the area were closed. Why?

I get a feeling that the closure of these stores isn't just about security - although they do - of course - have every right to close to the public whenever they want for whatever reason - BUT it also has the effect of being a deliberate - politically motivated move aimed to discredit the Red-Shirt movement in general.

Designed to reinforce the idea to the general public that these ordinary - decent citizens - are an out of control bunch of criminals intent upon criminal activity - which just isn't the case.

I rest my case.

Totally agree. Cutting of their nose to spite their face. Similarly, closing down the underground and not letting commuters out was more of the same.

If there's one thing all this proves its that military coups are no longer going to be tolerated as a panacea for all Thailands problems..... not that they ever were.

[Jingthing]

Conspiracy theorists. They made a business decision. They were probably afraid of LOOTING. After all, their dear leader has openly called for CLASS WARFARE.

Edited April 6, 2010 by Jingthing

[elcent]

At the weekend virtually all the big stores in the area were closed. Why?

I get a feeling that the closure of these stores isn't just about security - although they do - of course - have every right to close to the public whenever they want for whatever reason - BUT it also has the effect of being a deliberate - politically motivated move aimed to discredit the Red-Shirt movement in general.

Designed to reinforce the idea to the general public that these ordinary - decent citizens - are an out of control bunch of criminals intent upon criminal activity - which just isn't the case.

I rest my case.

Totally agree. Cutting of their nose to spite their face. Similarly, closing down the underground and not letting commuters out was more of the same.

If there's one thing all this proves its that military coups are no longer going to be tolerated as a panacea for all Thailands problems..... not that they ever were.

Kinda nonsense. Why would they open for the mob who scare away all the other customers? Thaksin and a few others want probably kill the business there to take over? No? I wouldn't cut that window out, there's a high probability and this has always been his style of business, sort of.

On the other hand when people are so sure that the red leaders want democracy then why act like this? If they were going out in small groups with flyers to get attention, many people would notice that they are sincere and it would be a waaaay cheaper. I don't believe for a moment the the red shirt leaders bear democracy in mind, not with these actions. It's just a bunch of anarchists.